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Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 1:24 am
From: Coffee's For Closers
In article <7XULm.29108$X01.25545@newsfe07.iad>,
PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com says...
> Les Cargill wrote:
> >>> I expect most people woefully underestimate just how much
> >>> maintainence costs for a home.
> >> I know I didnt. Its cost sweet fuck all over 35 years now.
> > That's completely ridiculous. No new roof, no plumbing
> > issues? No paint? No carpet?
> You need to understand that you are attempting to discuss a topic with a
> troll that lives under an outhouse (thus no costs) - logic / facts will
> be meaningless.
I didn't see the post, but, somehow, it sounds like you are
talking about Rod Speed. He doesn't live under the outhouse. He
lives quite comfortably in a nice, suburban house in a nice area.
Although his parents are hoping that he will move out some time
before the age of fifty.
--
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 7:54 am
From: The Real Bev
http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh
(AP article from Washington Post)
Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the number of
students enrolling? And doesn't a doctor shortage keep doctors' incomes higher
than they would be if there were more competition? And doesn't that contribute
to the high cost of medical care?
--
Cheers, Bev
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"Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
bodies of the people who pissed me off."
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 8:42 am
From: BigDog1
On Nov 16, 8:54 am, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh
> (AP article from Washington Post)
>
> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the number of
> students enrolling? And doesn't a doctor shortage keep doctors' incomes higher
> than they would be if there were more competition? And doesn't that contribute
> to the high cost of medical care?
>
> --
> Cheers, Bev
> =======================================================================
> "Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
> the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
> bodies of the people who pissed me off."
Can't really argue with your points, Bev. But I'm not so sure there
is as critical a shortage of doctors as this article would have one
believe. It is the Washington Post, after all. There are certainly
shortages in some parts of the country. But I think that has more to
do with geography and economics, than the numbers being turned out by
the medical schools. Obviously, given the current medical care
"reform" climate, more would be better.
I live in a mid-sized city. Out state university hospital is the
network provider for my health care plan. There doesn't appear to be
a shortage of interns and residents (or nurses and technicians for
that matter) there. And on the rare occasion we've needed specialty
care, our wait has never been more than a couple of weeks. As to
primary car physicians: last year ours relocated her practice
inconveniently far away. A quick visit to out plans web site, a quick
phone call, and a new patient visit three days later, and we were up
and running. Will things change? Maybe. For now I see nothing that
needs fixing.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 9:48 am
From: clams_casino
BigDog1 wrote:
>On Nov 16, 8:54 am, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh
>>(AP article from Washington Post)
>>
>>Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the number of
>>students enrolling? And doesn't a doctor shortage keep doctors' incomes higher
>>than they would be if there were more competition? And doesn't that contribute
>>to the high cost of medical care?
>>
>>--
>>Cheers, Bev
>>=======================================================================
>>"Lord, grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change,
>> the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to hide the
>> bodies of the people who pissed me off."
>>
>>
>
>Can't really argue with your points, Bev. But I'm not so sure there
>is as critical a shortage of doctors as this article would have one
>believe. It is the Washington Post, after all. There are certainly
>shortages in some parts of the country. But I think that has more to
>do with geography and economics, than the numbers being turned out by
>the medical schools. Obviously, given the current medical care
>"reform" climate, more would be better.
>
>
>
Although I'm not aware of shortages in this area, I am aware that many
will not take on new patients. Some just don't want to deal with
medicare & select insurers.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 10:00 am
From: "Bob F"
The Real Bev wrote:
> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh
> (AP article from Washington Post)
>
> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the
> number of students enrolling?
I have never heard that. So, did he?
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 10:18 am
From: "Rod Speed"
The Real Bev wrote
> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh
> (AP article from Washington Post)
> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the number of students enrolling?
Nope.
> And doesn't a doctor shortage keep doctors' incomes higher than they would be if there were more competition?
Yes, but there is no doctor shortage.
> And doesn't that contribute to the high cost of medical care?
Nope, because there is no doctor shortage.
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 1:11 pm
From: The Real Bev
Bob F wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh
>> (AP article from Washington Post)
>>
>> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the
>> number of students enrolling?
>
> I have never heard that. So, did he?
News item, and then nothing. It doesn't sound unreasonable, does it? The AMA
is just a high-class union, dedicated to enriching its members. Unions
traditionally support the Democrats.
--
Cheers, Bev
***************************************************************
When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a thumb.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 1:20 pm
From: The Real Bev
Rod Speed wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote
>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yefvczh (AP article from Washington Post)
>
>> Didn't Bill Clinton offer bribes to medical schools to limit the number of
>> students enrolling?
>
> Nope.
You sure about that?
>> And doesn't a doctor shortage keep doctors' incomes higher than they would
>> be if there were more competition?
>
> Yes, but there is no doctor shortage.
>
>> And doesn't that contribute to the high cost of medical care?
>
> Nope, because there is no doctor shortage.
It took me two months to get an appointment with my ophthalmologist, and then
she had to cancel because the tech who does the field tests got sick. Another
1.5 months. My GP only took a month, but I had to go back because SOMEBODY
lost my blood and pee. I got in to see the new orthopedist in 2 weeks, and he
schedules surgery 3 weeks in advance. I got there 15 minutes early for my 9:30
appointment and I didn't actually see him until 10:30, although I did have an
x-ray in the interim.
A month is typical lead time for an appointmen, and a doc told me (in strict
confidence, of course) that if the patient was out the door within an hour of
the nominal appointment time it was regarded as "on time". I looked at a
gastroenterologist's appointment book once -- he had 4 patients scheduled for
each 15 minutes.
If there were more doctors they would neither have to do nor get away with shit
like that.
--
Cheers, Bev
***************************************************************
When your only tool is a hammer, everything looks like a thumb.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 10:01 am
From: "Bob F"
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> In article
> <7m910vF3h1q4dU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
> Such a sad thing when a has-been has to
> alter posts
Has been? You mean he really ever was anything?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 11:18 am
From: "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds"
In article
<hds421$pb4$1@news.eternal-september.org
>,
"Bob F" <bobnospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
> > In article
> > <7m910vF3h1q4dU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Rod Speed" rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com
>
> > Such a sad thing when a has-been has to
> > alter posts
>
> Has been? You mean he really ever was anything?
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:18 pm
From: spicpussy
"New study questions effectiveness of popular cholesterol drugs"
"Merck defends medications, says research is limited"
By Lyndsey Layton
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, November 16, 2009
A WIDELY PRESCRIBED AND EXPENSIVE CHOLESTEROL DRUG is not as effective
as niacin, a cheap vitamin, in helping to unclog coronary arteries in
people already taking statins, the standard medicines used to lower
cholesterol, according to a new study.
The research, which appears Monday in the New England Journal of
Medicine, is sending rumbles through the medical community because it
is the third recent study to raise questions about the effectiveness
of Zetia and its sister drug, Vytorin, highly profitable
pharmaceuticals made by Merck & Co.
"This is the third strike," said Steven Nissen, chairman of
cardiovascular medicine at the Cleveland Clinic. "The studies are
telling us that it doesn't appear to produce benefits. This is a drug
used by millions of Americans, a very big seller, in a health-care
system where costs are a major issue. And the question has to be, is
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Vytorin and Zetia are among the most popular prescription drugs. Last
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million prescriptions for them, and worldwide sales totaled $4.56
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Although the drugs have been shown to reduce cholesterol, there is no
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Top Merck executives are vigorously defending their drugs and have
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"I don't think a clinician or a doctor or a patient should use this as
the basis for any decision-making whatsoever," said Richard Pasternak,
vice president of Merck research laboratories. "I worry that people
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He and other critics said the study appearing Monday involved just 200
patients, was ended early, and examined what is known as a surrogate
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low-density lipoprotein, often called "bad" cholesterol, which can
lead to plaque buildup in arteries.
Zetia, the brand name for ezetimibe, uses a different mechanism. It
blocks the absorption of cholesterol from food in the intestines. It
has been shown by Merck to lower LDL by 18 percent on average. It is
designed for patients who cannot tolerate statins, or for whom high-
dose statins are not working.
Vytorin is Zetia combined with a statin, simvastatin, in one pill.
The study released Monday followed about 200 patients who were already
taking statins. Some were also given Niaspan, a modified form of
Vitamin B, or niacin. The rest took Zetia. Researchers took images of
the artery leading to the brain to measure the thickness of the artery
walls over 14 months.
The patients who took Niaspan had less plaque in their arteries and
also had higher levels of high-density lipoprotein or HDL. Known as
"good" cholesterol, HDL is believed to remove cholesterol from the
arteries and carry it back to the liver, where it is passes from the
body.
The patients who took Zetia had more plaque in their arteries but
lower levels of LDL. They also had more heart attacks, strokes and
other cardiovascular problems than the patients taking niacin. Merck
President Peter Kim said the fact that Zetia lowers LDL cholesterol
makes it valuable. "It's very well established that lowering LDL saves
lives," he said.
Roger S. Blumenthal, a cardiologist at Johns Hopkins, criticized the
new study in an editorial also published Monday in the New England
Journal of Medicine. Blumenthal, who has been a paid speaker for
Merck, noted that the new study was halted early, which meant results
from 40 percent of the participants were not included in the final
analysis.
The study's author, Allen J. Taylor of Walter Reed Army Medical Center
and Washington Hospital Center, said the trial ended early because the
results were quickly apparent. "It couldn't be more clear," Taylor
said. "It would have been unreasonable to continue the experiment
because the trial had met its objective -- niacin is superior to
ezetimibe."
Kim said any conclusions about Zetia and Vytorin should wait until
Merck completes a large-scale clinical trial. It involves 15,000
patients and is not expected to yield results until at least 2012.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/15/AR2009111502848.html
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:24 pm
From: GLOBALIST
I think all statins suck. Including Niacin.
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 12:32 pm
From: "Gregory Hall"
"spicpussy" <clitteigh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:43ce06f3-6cdf-4f2b-8910-e4e9273021ab@k9g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> "New study questions effectiveness of popular cholesterol drugs"
>
> "Merck defends medications, says research is limited"
>
> By Lyndsey Layton
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Monday, November 16, 2009
>
>
>
> A WIDELY PRESCRIBED AND EXPENSIVE CHOLESTEROL DRUG is not as effective
> as niacin, a cheap vitamin, in helping to unclog coronary arteries in
> people already taking statins, the standard medicines used to lower
> cholesterol, according to a new study.
Niacin is some good stuff.
I take Rosuvastatin (5mg) to reduce my cholesterol. I supplement this with
niacin(100mg) and fish oil (1000mg) vitamin e (400mg), and Co-enzyme Q-10 at
(200mg). Statins work but they tend to deplete co-enzyme Q-10 so anybody
taking statins should also take Co Q-10.
5mg of Rosuvastatin reduced my cholesterol from over 300 to around 220. The
doc wanted up up my dose to 10mg but I balked knowing statins are powerful
drugs that can damage muscles and the liver in the higher doses. Taking the
above supplements along with the statin caused my cholesterol to drop to 180
or so and my good cholesterol is nice and high (70-80) and my bad
cholesterol is in the low range now. If course I also supplement with 2-3
hours a day of strenuous physical activity - cycling. And my BMI is in the
mid-normal range.
--
Gregory Hall
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 1:46 pm
From: Kofi
> Statins, such as Lipitor, have long been used to lower cholesterol and
> reduce cardiovascular disease. They inhibit the production of LDL, or
> low-density lipoprotein, often called "bad" cholesterol, which can
> lead to plaque buildup in arteries.
>
> Zetia, the brand name for ezetimibe, uses a different mechanism. It
> blocks the absorption of cholesterol from food in the intestines. It
> has been shown by Merck to lower LDL by 18 percent on average. It is
> designed for patients who cannot tolerate statins, or for whom high-
> dose statins are not working.
This route also blocks the absorption of fat-soluble vitamins - like
vitamin D3.
>
> Vytorin is Zetia combined with a statin, simvastatin, in one pill.
>
> The study released Monday followed about 200 patients who were already
> taking statins. Some were also given Niaspan, a modified form of
> Vitamin B, or niacin. The rest took Zetia. Researchers took images of
> the artery leading to the brain to measure the thickness of the artery
> walls over 14 months.
>
> The patients who took Niaspan had less plaque in their arteries and
> also had higher levels of high-density lipoprotein or HDL. Known as
> "good" cholesterol, HDL is believed to remove cholesterol from the
> arteries and carry it back to the liver, where it is passes from the
> body.
>
> The patients who took Zetia had more plaque in their arteries but
> lower levels of LDL. They also had more heart attacks, strokes and
> other cardiovascular problems than the patients taking niacin.
J Am Coll Cardiol. 2009 Nov 3;54(19):1787-94
Comment on:
* J Am Coll Cardiol. 2009 Nov 3;54(19):1795-6.
Effects of high-dose modified-release nicotinic acid on atherosclerosis
and vascular function: a randomized, placebo-controlled, magnetic
resonance imaging study.
Lee JM, Robson MD, Yu LM, Shirodaria CC, Cunnington C, Kylintireas I,
Digby JE, Bannister T, Handa A, Wiesmann F, Durrington PN, Channon KM,
Neubauer S, Choudhury RP.
Department of Cardiovascular Medicine, University of Oxford and Oxford
Centre for Clinical Magnetic Resonance Research (OCMR), Oxford, United
Kingdom.
OBJECTIVES: Our aim was to determine the effects of high-dose (2 g)
nicotinic acid (NA) on progression of atherosclerosis and measures of
vascular function. BACKGROUND: NA raises high-density lipoprotein
cholesterol (HDL-C) and reduces low-density lipoprotein cholesterol and
is widely used as an adjunct to statin therapy in patients with coronary
artery disease. Although changes in plasma lipoproteins suggest
potential benefit, there is limited evidence of the effects of NA on
disease progression when added to contemporary statin treatment.
METHODS: We performed a double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled
study of 2 g daily modified-release NA added to statin therapy in 71
patients with low HDL-C (<40 mg/dl) and either: 1) type 2 diabetes with
coronary heart disease; or 2) carotid/peripheral atherosclerosis. The
primary end point was the change in carotid artery wall area, quantified
by magnetic resonance imaging, after 1 year. RESULTS: NA increased HDL-C
by 23% and decreased low-density lipoprotein cholesterol by 19%. At 12
months, NA significantly reduced carotid wall area compared with placebo
(adjusted treatment difference: -1.64 mm(2) [95% confidence interval:
-3.12 to -0.16]; p = 0.03). Mean change in carotid wall area was -1.1
+/- 2.6 mm(2) for NA versus +1.2 +/- 3.0 mm(2) for placebo. In both the
treatment and placebo groups, larger plaques were more prone to changes
in size (r = 0.4, p = 0.04 for placebo, and r = -0.5, p = 0.02 for NA).
CONCLUSIONS: In statin-treated patients with low HDL-C, high-dose
modified-release NA, compared with placebo, significantly reduces
carotid atherosclerosis within 12 months. (Oxford Niaspan Study: Effects
of Niaspan on Atherosclerosis and Endothelial Function; NCT00232531).
Publication Types:
* Comment
* Randomized Controlled Trial
* Research Support, Non-U.S. Gov't
PMID: 19874992
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 1:55 pm
From: clams_casino
spicpussy wrote:
>"New study questions effectiveness of popular cholesterol drugs"
>
>"Merck defends medications, says research is limited"
>
>By Lyndsey Layton
>Washington Post Staff Writer
>Monday, November 16, 2009
>
>
>
>A WIDELY PRESCRIBED AND EXPENSIVE CHOLESTEROL DRUG is not as effective
>as niacin, a cheap vitamin, in helping to unclog coronary arteries in
>people already taking statins, the standard medicines used to lower
>cholesterol, according to a new study.
>
>
>
I initially went on Lipitor with a significant drop in cholesterol and
triglycerides (low 200's down to about 140 on both). After two years,
I switched to simvistatin (generic Zocar) in an attempt to save
money. After about a year, I began having significant muscle problems
(inflammation, swelling / stiffness throughout my arms. Within a few
months thereafter, I could barely move my wrists. The cholesterol
numbers went up to 184 & triglycerices to 215 when tested after 16
months. I then stopped taking the simvisatin. Without a statin, my
doctor strongly advised losing 20-30 pounds (6 ft / 215 lbs). It's been
six months and with physical therapy, I've regained perhaps 90% of my
arm & wrist motion. I've lost 15 lbs (increased protein / significantly
reduced carbs) . My triglycerides & cholesterol are now lower than when
I was taking the simvastatin, although admittedly not as low as with the
lipitor, but below the 200 threshold. And for the record, the "simple"
blood test did NOT clearly predict the liver problems caused by the
simvisatin. In my case, the problem was severe, but the increased ALT,
AST values only went from middle range to slightly above the upper limit
of normal. The CPK value remained on the low end of normal.
The crap was slowly killing me. Furthermore, any savings with the
generic quickly disappeared considering the cost of doctor appointments,
extra blood tests & therapy.
1) Do consider losing weight before taking a statin.
2) Be wary of the generics.
3) Be very aware if you experience any muscle problems (in my case, it
was not strength, but a significant stiffening of the arms & wrist
muscles - not what I was picturing when they talked about potential
muscle problems.).
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 4:54 pm
From: "Joan F \(MI\)"
Niacin isn't a statin and is less harmful. It raises HDL which is
supposedly a good thing though I think the whole cholesterol scare is a scam
to sell drugs.
GLOBALIST wrote:
| I think all statins suck. Including Niacin.
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 4:57 pm
From: "Joan F \(MI\)"
There is no way I would ever ingest a statin.
clams_casino wrote:
| I initially went on Lipitor with a significant drop in cholesterol and
| triglycerides (low 200's down to about 140 on both). After two
| years, I switched to simvistatin (generic Zocar) in an attempt to
| save money. After about a year, I began having significant muscle
| problems (inflammation, swelling / stiffness throughout my arms.
| Within a few months thereafter, I could barely move my wrists. The
| cholesterol numbers went up to 184 & triglycerices to 215 when tested
| after 16 months. I then stopped taking the simvisatin. Without a
| statin, my doctor strongly advised losing 20-30 pounds (6 ft / 215
| lbs). It's been six months and with physical therapy, I've regained
| perhaps 90% of my arm & wrist motion. I've lost 15 lbs (increased
| protein / significantly reduced carbs) . My triglycerides &
| cholesterol are now lower than when I was taking the simvastatin,
| although admittedly not as low as with the lipitor, but below the 200
| threshold. And for the record, the "simple" blood test did NOT
| clearly predict the liver problems caused by the simvisatin. In
| my case, the problem was severe, but the increased ALT, AST values
| only went from middle range to slightly above the upper limit of
| normal. The CPK value remained on the low end of normal.
|
| The crap was slowly killing me. Furthermore, any savings with the
| generic quickly disappeared considering the cost of doctor
| appointments, extra blood tests & therapy.
|
| 1) Do consider losing weight before taking a statin.
| 2) Be wary of the generics.
| 3) Be very aware if you experience any muscle problems (in my case, it
| was not strength, but a significant stiffening of the arms & wrist
| muscles - not what I was picturing when they talked about potential
| muscle problems.).
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 16 2009 3:12 pm
From: "Love Europe, Hate the EU"
Usury: A Short History of Banking
http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/usury.gif
Surely the Government is in control of the country and its supply of
money? Surely money is only a symbolic token to facilitate the
production, exchange and distribution of goods and services? Not so,
say the Third Positionists, who reject both Capitalism and
Communism...
In the old days there was no paper money. The accepted token of
exchange was precious metal minted into coins by the Church and the
Crown. Because there was only a limited amount of gold and silver
available, the economic life of the nation had a certain regularity.
An even greater restriction existed throughout Christendom. This was
a prohibition against usury, or charging interest. The Church held it
to be a grave sin and the code was upheld by the civil powers. There
were harsh penalties for those who broke the law.
The regulation of usury was to prevent the separation of money from
reality. Money is not a good, it is a measure. It is fraud to pretend
otherwise, and constitutes theft. Usury is making money from lending
money; it is making money from nothing. This is exactly what is
happening today on a colossal scale.
Several important things arose from the prohibition of usury in
medieval Christendom. Firstly Jews, who had taken to wandering around
Europe in the Middle Ages, began to specialize in money-lending and
other practices which were forbidden to Christians. Exploited
Christians, both peasants and aristocracy, found themselves being
bled dry by usurers, which is why there were sporadic uprisings,
imprisonments and expulsions of Jews throughout Europe. It is one
reason why King Edward I expelled these perfidious people from
England in 1290. Oliver Cromwell allowed them back when the moral
authority of the Church was undermined and the King was beheaded in
1649.
Secondly, gold coins, jewels and other valuables were deposited with
people who held strongboxes. This was usually with goldsmiths and
money-lenders who, more often than not, were one and the same. These
loan-sharks and scriveners realized that, without much chance of
being found out, they could charge people for looking after their
deposits and then use those deposits – which did not belong to them –
to make loans to other people at interest. They soon became rich and
powerful.
Gold coins are heavy and awkward to carry around so the custom arose
whereby the money-lenders would issue credit notes to depositors who
began to trade these notes between themselves in commercial
transactions. Paper money had come into existence.
A new form of usury developed as the swindling money-lenders realized
the immoral benefits that could be obtained from such a situation. It
became apparent to these thieves that they could go one step further
than dishonestly using other people's money for financial advantage
at no cost to themselves. They could invent money from absolutely
nothing. They could issue credit notes with nothing to back them up
and put them into circulation as interest-bearing debts. No-one would
be any the wiser. They calculated that they could safely issue notes
for up to ten times more than the gold deposits they held, because
the depositors would never ask for their deposits back all at the
same time.
The principle of modern banking was thus established: invent money
from nothing, put it into circulation as "running cash notes" that
have to be paid back with real wealth that is produced from our
labour, sit back and become unbelievably wealthy and powerful men:
hidden rulers of nations.
In England this deceitful system was officially sanctioned in 1694.
The usurper of the throne, William of Orange, had overthrown the
legitimate King James II with the financial backing and plotting of
powerful Jewish financiers in Amsterdam. In return he gave the
sovereignty of England to a group of financiers by means of a Charter
allowing them to call themselves the Bank of England. The Charter
made no mention of issuing the nation's money, but within minutes of
signing the new Bank officials were discussing the form of their
"running cash notes." The same system was adopted in every country by
a process of Masonic revolution and manipulation.
FREEMASONRY AND COMMUNISM
Socialist theorists and ideologues have never attacked the essential
mechanism of capitalism. Although the injustices of the capitalist
system have been attacked in volume after volume, and rightly so,
they have never even hinted at the usury upon which the whole system
is built and from which all the other injustices stem.
Perhaps this is because so many Communist leaders are Jewish. Most of
the 'Russian Revolutionists' of 1917 were actually Jews from the
lower east side of New York City. Two hundred and seventy-five of
them were conveyed to Russia aboard the S.S. Christiana, led by
Trotsky and financed by Kuhns, Loebs, Schiffs and Warburgs. This cosy
circle of Jews and Freemasons financed both sides of the Great War.
Marx and Engels, two more Jews, wrote the Communist Manifesto on
behalf of a secret society calling themselves 'The League of Just
Men.' This secret society was an arm of the Illuminati, whose power
and influence was the catalyst of the French Revolution. One of the
founding members of the Illuminati was the House of Rothschild, the
Jewish banking house which practically invented supra-nationalism for
personal profit.
THE SITUATION TODAY
Nowadays banking has become extremely sophisticated but the hidden
and usurious mechanism behind it remains the same. After a big
enquiry, hushed up as much as possible, the Bank of England was
nationalised in 1946. In theory control of the Bank of England should
then have passed from a group of private individuals to the British
Government, but this is still not the case. Nationalisation only
added a thin veneer of respectability.
The British Treasury, in conjunction with the Bank of England's
advisers to the Government, determine how much paper money and coin
will be issued each year. This has to accord with the wealth of the
nation for that year. But because banknotes and coins only account
for a tiny percentage of financial transactions, it makes no
difference to the bankers at all. Most financial transactions are
carried out with abstract figures on a computer screen that have no
relationship to real wealth. Everything has to be paid for at
interest though – even when it doesn't exist!
The Government still has to pay interest on old and new loans from
the Bank. Only a few years ago it was announced that the interest
debt on a loan taken during the Napoleonic War had just been paid
off! This is where much of our tax money goes.
THE NEXT STAGE
The next stage of development for international finance is to get rid
of cash altogether. Then the token accountability of the bankers will
disappear along with the cash. Their intention is that everyone will
have to use credit/debit cards for every type of commercial
transaction.
Electronic technology, when used this way, and when it is not merely
widespread but compulsory, will give them complete control of every
man, woman and child in the world. If you cannot buy or sell – food,
petrol, clothes – without a card you are completely at their mercy.
If you lose the card or it doesn't work for some reason you will
suffer until issued with a replacement. If you make a protest against
some particular injustice they could invalidate your card. The next
time you go to the supermarket your card may not work. You won't
officially exist!
Who benefits from such a scheme? The politicians or the bankers? To
ask the question is to answer it. The Bank of England is the real,
but hidden, government of the country. The Government and the
politicians are merely puppets controlled by the Bank – or, more
accurately, the international banking families. None of our cowardly
politicians dare stand up to these hidden and unelected rulers of the
world, so powerful have they become. Two American presidents,
possibly three, were assassinated for attempting to do so. It is far
easier for them to submit to the system and enjoy a rich life than
expose the real tyrants: tyrants who cause high taxes, unemployment,
war, famine and misery for the rest of us. But these despots of the
New World Order forget that Truth is more powerful than they could
ever become. And Truth brings Justice!
The pen is mightier than the pound! This article first appeared in
issue 5 of 'The Anvil,' published by The Third Position, BCM ITP,
London, WC1N 3XX.
http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/usury.html
Is this still true in finance today? Who are the Jews?
While this list may never be complete, it will cover most of the
Jewish names one is likely to encounter in everyday Western life.
Unlike many gentile names, there is such a thing as a 'Jewish name.'
Many Jewish persons can be recognized as being Jewish by their
surname [last name], although not always--some Jews are adopted, or
their forebears changed the family surname, or their surname simply
does not appear Jewish.
Here are the most common Jewish names likely to be encountered:
-Names ending in "-berg" (Goldberg, Weinberg, etc.)
-Names ending in "-man" (Goldman, Lightman, etc.)
-Names ending in "-stein" (Einstein, Perlstein, etc.)
-Names that sound "precious" (Gold, Silver, Diamond, Ruby
(Rubenstein) etc.)
-Names ending in "-ler" (Adler, Midler, etc.)
-Names ending in "-ner" (Asner, Lardner, etc.)
-Names ending in "-lin" (Gitlin, Sheindlin, etc.)
-Names ending in "-band" (Miliband, Goldband, etc.)
-Names ending in "-witz" (Horowitz, Rabinowitz, etc.) or "-
itz" (Kravitz, etc.)
-Names ending in "-baum" (Teitelbaum, Metzenbaum, etc.)
-Names ending in "-off" (Chartoff, Berkhoff, etc.)
-Names ending in "-nik" (Resnik, Mitnik, etc.)
-Names ending in "-thal" (Blumenthal, Rosenthal, etc.)
-Names ending in "-ling" (Spelling, Sperling, etc.)
-Names ending in "-sky" (Barshefsky, Linsky, etc.)
-Names ending in "-farb" (Himmelfarb, Goldfarb, etc.)
-Names ending in "-feld" (Seinfeld, Rosenfeld, etc.)
-Names ending in "-stone" (Wellstone, Firestone, etc.)
-Some, but certainly not all, names ending in "-son" (Abelson,
Josephson, etc.)
-Surnames that sound "Biblical," e.g., David, Joseph, Abram or
Abraham, Moses, Benjamin, Isaac, etc.
Some other names commonly used by jews:
-Miller -Davis -Ross -Lewis -Roth -Morris -Davidson -Green -Wolf -
Newman -Gross -Harris -Sherman -Myers -Mayer -Jacobs -Aaron -Michael -
Hirsch -Raphael -Tobias -Levy -Brand -Cohen -Kaplan -Weiss -Nathan -
Leo -Levine -Simon -Levin -Samuel -Falk -Wise -Gottfried -Gottlieb -
Mann -Mathis -May -Mars -Marx -Marks -Saul -Gould -Fink -Loeb -Loew -
Rubin -Stern -Shapiro -Klein -Cohn -Singer -Frank -Schwartz -Rich -
Kahn –Kramer
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