Frugal Living: May 25, 2008

Sunday, May 25, 2008

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TOPIC: Wash and fold-Is it frugal?
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Sat, May 24 2008 10:35 pm
From: "c rowley"@ymoctl.com

Rod Speed wrote:
> jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> wrote
>> crowley@ymoctl.com wrote
>
>>> I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have
>>> been taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold.
>>> They> charge 75 cents a pound and I normally have about 6 pounds.
>>> Factoring in the time saved I consider this to be frugal.
>
>> many people confuse being frugal with being a cheapskate, if something
>> or a service is of value to you spending money on it is not unfrugal
>
> Yes it is if there is another more frugal way of getting the same result.
>
> The obvious alternative is to add a washer and dryer.
>
>
Unfortunately the rules in the building prohibit washers.

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 1:20 am
From: "demonospamdubious@yahoo.com"

On May 24, 10:52 pm, crow...@ymoctl.com wrote:
> I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have been
> taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold. They charge 75
> cents a pound and I normally have about 6 pounds. Factoring in the time
> saved I consider this to be frugal.

The value of the service depends on your particular lifestyle.
Apparently time is a value to you.

People who have more time and do not mind the work wash and hand dry
their own clothes.

In some countries it is illegal to hang your clothes up on a balcony.
It is likely that the manufacturers and vendors of drying machines
bribed politicians to pass this law so people would be forced to buy
dryers.

This is a side point about how frugality is often prevented by
commercial interests.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 1:49 am
From: "Rod Speed"

c rowley <"c rowley"@ymoctl.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> wrote
>>> crowley@ymoctl.com wrote

>>>> I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have
>>>> been taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold.
>>>> They charge 75 cents a pound and I normally have about 6 pounds.
>>>> Factoring in the time saved I consider this to be frugal.

>>> many people confuse being frugal with being a cheapskate, if something or a service is of value to you spending
>>> money on it is not unfrugal

>> Yes it is if there is another more frugal way of getting the same result.

>> The obvious alternative is to add a washer and dryer.

> Unfortunately the rules in the building prohibit washers.

There is still the other obvious alternative, laundromats etc.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 4:22 am
From: "Rod Speed"

demonospamdubious@yahoo.com wrote
> crow...@ymoctl.com wrote

>> I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have
>> been taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold.
>> They charge 75 cents a pound and I normally have about 6
>> pounds. Factoring in the time saved I consider this to be frugal.

> The value of the service depends on your particular lifestyle.
> Apparently time is a value to you.

> People who have more time and do not mind the work wash and hand dry their own clothes.

> In some countries it is illegal to hang your clothes up on a balcony.
> It is likely that the manufacturers and vendors of drying machines bribed
> politicians to pass this law so people would be forced to buy dryers.

Mindless conspiracy theory. They just dont like the look of it.

Its legal to dry the clothes inside if you want to.

> This is a side point about how frugality is often prevented by commercial interests.

No it isnt, you're welcome to dry the clothes inside if you want to do that.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 12:19 pm
From: "Melissa"

<crowley@ymoctl.com> wrote in message
news:9RWZj.1173$uE5.801@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
> I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have been
> taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold. They charge 75
> cents a pound and I normally have about 6 pounds. Factoring in the time
> saved I consider this to be frugal.

Is that per week? That's $18 a month...it sounds like a deal to me,
especially if they are nearby and you don't have to go out of your way to
drop off and pick up your items. It's hardly extravagant IMO. The time and
money spent for you to wash them yourself at the laundry mat would cost
more.

Melissa

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 5:39 pm
From: George Grapman

Melissa wrote:
> <crowley@ymoctl.com> wrote in message
> news:9RWZj.1173$uE5.801@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have been
>> taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold. They charge 75
>> cents a pound and I normally have about 6 pounds. Factoring in the time
>> saved I consider this to be frugal.
>
> Is that per week? That's $18 a month...it sounds like a deal to me,
> especially if they are nearby and you don't have to go out of your way to
> drop off and pick up your items. It's hardly extravagant IMO. The time and
> money spent for you to wash them yourself at the laundry mat would cost
> more.
>
> Melissa
>
>
I used to do the same thing at one time. Well worth the convenience
of not having to sit around a laundromat.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 6:56 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote
> Melissa wrote
>> <crowley@ymoctl.com> wrote

>>> I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have
>>> been taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold. They charge 75 cents a pound and I normally have about
>>> 6 pounds.
>>> Factoring in the time saved I consider this to be frugal.

>> Is that per week? That's $18 a month...it sounds like a deal to me,
>> especially if they are nearby and you don't have to go out of your
>> way to drop off and pick up your items. It's hardly extravagant IMO.
>> The time and money spent for you to wash them yourself at the
>> laundry mat would cost more.

> I used to do the same thing at one time. Well worth the convenience of not having to sit around a laundromat.

But hardly frugal.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 7:00 pm
From: Goomba

Rod Speed wrote:
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote
>> Melissa wrote
>>> <crowley@ymoctl.com> wrote
>
>>>> I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have
>>>> been taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold. They charge 75 cents a pound and I normally have about
>>>> 6 pounds.
>>>> Factoring in the time saved I consider this to be frugal.
>
>>> Is that per week? That's $18 a month...it sounds like a deal to me,
>>> especially if they are nearby and you don't have to go out of your
>>> way to drop off and pick up your items. It's hardly extravagant IMO.
>>> The time and money spent for you to wash them yourself at the
>>> laundry mat would cost more.
>
>> I used to do the same thing at one time. Well worth the convenience of not having to sit around a laundromat.
>
> But hardly frugal.
>
>
It sure sounds reasonably frugal to me. He could be sending it all
through the dry cleaner procedure instead!
If I didn't have a washer/dryer, and it was cost that much for wash and
fold service I'd be doing it too. My time is worth a lot. Yours might
not be?

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 8:14 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Goomba <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote
>>> Melissa wrote
>>>> <crowley@ymoctl.com> wrote

>>>>> I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have
>>>>> been taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold.
>>>>> They charge 75 cents a pound and I normally have about 6 pounds.
>>>>> Factoring in the time saved I consider this to be frugal.

>>>> Is that per week? That's $18 a month...it sounds like a deal to me,
>>>> especially if they are nearby and you don't have to go out of your
>>>> way to drop off and pick up your items. It's hardly extravagant
>>>> IMO. The time and money spent for you to wash them yourself at the
>>>> laundry mat would cost more.

>>> I used to do the same thing at one time. Well worth the convenience of not having to sit around a laundromat.

>> But hardly frugal.

> It sure sounds reasonably frugal to me.

More fool you.

> He could be sending it all through the dry cleaner procedure instead!

Or he could use a laundromat instead.

> If I didn't have a washer/dryer, and it was cost that much for wash and fold service I'd be doing it too.

But its hardly frugal.

> My time is worth a lot.

Easy to claim.

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TOPIC: $12-$15 / Gallon in USA
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 3:13 am
From: novascroller

On Sun, 25 May 2008 10:41:18 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>novascroller <novascrollerNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote
>> Just Visiting <nospam-webextra@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>
>>> Just read an article that predicted gas will cost between $12-$15 per
>>> gallon by year 2010. Better start looking for a second part-time job
>>> or working overtime to help pay just for gas expenses in the future.
>>> The analysts say it's heading our way.
>
>> thats what it would be now if it weren't for the government
>> subsidizing the oil industry to the tune of billions of $$$.
>
>Nope, as can be seen in countrys that dont do that.
>

like most countries in europe right?

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 4:19 am
From: "Rod Speed"

novascroller <novascrollerNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> novascroller <novascrollerNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Just Visiting <nospam-webextra@sbcglobal.net> wrote

>>>> Just read an article that predicted gas will cost between $12-$15
>>>> per gallon by year 2010. Better start looking for a second
>>>> part-time job or working overtime to help pay just for gas
>>>> expenses in the future. The analysts say it's heading our way.

>>> thats what it would be now if it weren't for the government
>>> subsidizing the oil industry to the tune of billions of $$$.

>> Nope, as can be seen in countrys that dont do that.

> like most countries in europe right?

Nope, no one has gasoline at those prices, anywhere.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 5:53 pm
From: Phil

On May 24, 6:38 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Just Visiting wrote:
> > Just read an article that predicted gas will cost between $12-$15 per
> > gallon by year 2010. Better start looking for a second part-time job
> > or working overtime to help pay just for gas expenses in the future.
> > The analysts say it's heading our way.
>
> So are electric cars, very high speed internet and (hopefully) better
> public transit and city planning.
>
> Anthony

The large company that i work for employs about 4000 people in one
location alone.
a good majority of them commute 20-60 miles per day. while the company
cannot
afford to give pay increases to cover the cost of rising fuel pries it
is seriously looking at
tele-commuting as an alternative. i think we will see a lot more of it
in the future.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 7:01 pm
From: "Nicik Name"

"Phil" <prh142@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:650677e4-f09f-4f42-a2db-8750e5322767@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
> On May 24, 6:38 pm, Anthony Matonak
> <anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> Just Visiting wrote:
>> > Just read an article that predicted gas will cost between $12-$15 per
>> > gallon by year 2010. Better start looking for a second part-time job
>> > or working overtime to help pay just for gas expenses in the future.
>> > The analysts say it's heading our way.
>>
>> So are electric cars, very high speed internet and (hopefully) better
>> public transit and city planning.
>>
>> Anthony
>
> The large company that i work for employs about 4000 people in one
> location alone.
> a good majority of them commute 20-60 miles per day. while the company
> cannot
> afford to give pay increases to cover the cost of rising fuel pries it
> is seriously looking at
> tele-commuting as an alternative. i think we will see a lot more of it
> in the future.
Carpenters and plumbers and the like will have to suffer.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 7:20 pm
From: Penis Kolada

Just Visiting wrote:
> Just read an article that predicted gas will cost between $12-$15 per
> gallon by year 2010. Better start looking for a second part-time job
> or working overtime to help pay just for gas expenses in the future.
> The analysts say it's heading our way.

There is not a chance of something like that happening, the reality is
that fossil based fuels cannot hope to pass the production cost of
synthetic fuels. At the moment I can manufacture ethanol in my garage at
a cost that is already lower than current fuel prices. (And I do, albeit
only for experimental purposes - don't want to wreck my car.)

If industry was to begin broad scale manufacture of synthetic fuel their
costs would be much lower again. There are problems associated with
engine wear and ethanol-based fuels, but these are not insurmountable.
Also, it is more than likely that before fossil based fuel reaches
anywhere near those prices hydrogen cars will be perfected. After all
the very first cars ran on an oxygen hydrogen mixture, although not very
successfully. There are already a number of hydrogen powered cars
exhibiting very positive results, it is only a matter of time before we
see them on a showroom floor.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 7:55 pm
From: "ChairMan"

In news:ycedncrSY-F-hKfVnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@earthlink.com,
Nicik Name <orbits@ix.netcom.com>spewed forth:
> "Phil" <prh142@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:650677e4-f09f-4f42-a2db-8750e5322767@2g2000hsn.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 24, 6:38 pm, Anthony Matonak
>> <anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>>> Just Visiting wrote:
>>>> Just read an article that predicted gas will cost between $12-$15
>>>> per gallon by year 2010. Better start looking for a second
>>>> part-time job or working overtime to help pay just for gas
>>>> expenses in the future. The analysts say it's heading our way.
>>>
>>> So are electric cars, very high speed internet and (hopefully)
>>> better public transit and city planning.
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>
>> The large company that i work for employs about 4000 people in one
>> location alone.
>> a good majority of them commute 20-60 miles per day. while the
>> company cannot
>> afford to give pay increases to cover the cost of rising fuel pries
>> it is seriously looking at
>> tele-commuting as an alternative. i think we will see a lot more of
>> it in the future.
> Carpenters and plumbers and the like will have to suffer.

Nope. They'll just pass the cost to you.
They're the ones using those mean gas guzzling SUVs and trucks, too.
Oh my

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, May 25 2008 8:13 pm
From: lorincantrell@yahoo.com

On May 24, 5:02 pm, Just Visiting <nospam-webex...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Just read an article that predicted gas will cost between $12-$15 per
> gallon by year 2010. Better start looking for a second part-time job
> or working overtime to help pay just for gas expenses in the future.
> The analysts say it's heading our way.

If gas was really $12-$15 an hour very few of us would still have
jobs. You can forget about overtime or getting a second one.

-beaumon

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* Cup Holder Adaptor For Nuvi 660? - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* Wash and fold-Is it frugal? - 3 messages, 3 authors
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, May 24 2008 7:53 pm
From: Sharon

On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:13:57 -0500, I'm Your Friend wrote:

> Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in
> news:vnq4c3l5r72qg1o12ghphedun2jg30d9tf@4ax.com:
>
>> Anyone know if there is a cup holder available to allow a Nuvi 660 to be
>> placed in the console cup holder instead of using a windshield suction
>> mount or dash bean bag?

In some states, it's illegal to mount a GPS on the windshield
http://www.gpsreview.net/windshield-gps-installations-illegal-in-some-states/

What I do, on a BMW, is flip out the antenna on the nuvi horizontal to the
road and stick it in the cockpit air conditioning and heater vents.

The cantilever design of the antenna works perfectly to mount the Garmin
nuvi 6xx series.

The other option is to shove the Garmin as far down on the dash as you can
to wedge it in at the windshield as shown here
http://www.conti.net/bmwcca/garmin.jpg

I've used both methods for about a year now (ever since the socket part of
my Garmin nuvi ball-and-socket joint cracked).

Now THAT's frugal living!

Sharon

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, May 24 2008 8:13 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Sharon wrote:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 23:13:57 -0500, I'm Your Friend wrote:
>
>> Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in
>> news:vnq4c3l5r72qg1o12ghphedun2jg30d9tf@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Anyone know if there is a cup holder available to allow a Nuvi 660 to be
>>> placed in the console cup holder instead of using a windshield suction
>>> mount or dash bean bag?
>
> In some states, it's illegal to mount a GPS on the windshield
> http://www.gpsreview.net/windshield-gps-installations-illegal-in-some-states/
>
> What I do, on a BMW, is flip out the antenna on the nuvi horizontal to the
> road and stick it in the cockpit air conditioning and heater vents.

There seem to be no end of cup-holder mounts out there for cells phones,
ipods and GPS A quick google product search found me this link.
http://www.mountguys.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MFX33-Nuvi660

Anthony

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 24 2008 8:04 pm
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <a0kg34hbno7brs4l2npcg6od2qditptd7m@4ax.com>,
jdoe@aol.com says...
> On Sat, 24 May 2008 08:52:43 -0700, crowley@ymoctl.com wrote:
>
> > I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have been
> >taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold. They charge 75
> >cents a pound and I normally have about 6 pounds. Factoring in the time
> >saved I consider this to be frugal.

> many people confuse being frugal with being a cheapskate, if something
> or a service is of value to you spending money on it is not unfrugal

The flip side of that is when compulsive spenders deride genuine
frugality as being "cheap."

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 24 2008 9:51 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

jdoe <jdoe@aol.com> wrote
> crowley@ymoctl.com wrote

>> I live in an apartment with no washer or dryer, Recently I have
>> been taking my laundry to the dry cleaners for wash and fold.
>> They> charge 75 cents a pound and I normally have about 6 pounds.
>> Factoring in the time saved I consider this to be frugal.

> many people confuse being frugal with being a cheapskate, if something
> or a service is of value to you spending money on it is not unfrugal

Yes it is if there is another more frugal way of getting the same result.

The obvious alternative is to add a washer and dryer.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 24 2008 10:35 pm
From: "c rowley"@ymoctl.com

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TOPIC: What's the best purchase you've ever made and why ?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/328770064cd1ad52?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 24 2008 9:45 pm
From: Charlie Perrin

On Thu, 22 May 2008 08:40:28 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote:

>Did you get a Windows table, or a Mac table?

It predates both Windows and Mac.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 24 2008 9:48 pm
From: Charlie Perrin

On Thu, 22 May 2008 08:46:51 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote:

>Now, as to myself. I finally convinced myself to buy a digital camera, about
>a year ago. Bought a Lumix LS-70 at BJ's Wholesale Club, $99.95. Best
>hundred bucks I've ever spent. I've had more fun with that camera than
>nearly any other item I've ever bought. I take all the pictures I want. No
>worries about the cost of film. Delete the ones which don't come out.

My Mom's film camera stopped working.

Wonder if she could figure out a digital camera at the age of 85.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, May 24 2008 10:17 pm
From: "FrediFizzx"

"Charlie Perrin" <nikverse@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:tnrh34d6qrupfrr4bukim2hbfocavcetol@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 May 2008 08:46:51 -0400, "Stormin Mormon" wrote:
>
>>Now, as to myself. I finally convinced myself to buy a digital camera,
>>about
>>a year ago. Bought a Lumix LS-70 at BJ's Wholesale Club, $99.95. Best
>>hundred bucks I've ever spent. I've had more fun with that camera than
>>nearly any other item I've ever bought. I take all the pictures I
>>want. No
>>worries about the cost of film. Delete the ones which don't come out.
>
> My Mom's film camera stopped working.
>
> Wonder if she could figure out a digital camera at the age of 85.

Does she have a computer to transfer images to? My Mom is 87 and still
kickin' it pretty good with her computer on the iNet and email. She
loves getting pictures of the great grandchildren on the computer.

Fred