Frugal Living: Oct 1, 2010

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TOPIC: While the Dutch are happily riding bikes, here people is talking BS
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Sep 29 2010 9:30 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

While the Dutch are happily riding bikes, here people is talking BS
about whether or not you need separate facilities. It's simple: the
Dutch way or give the whole fucking lane to the cyclist. TAKE THE LANE
and end of story. No more, finito, ciao, hasta la vista!

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...

-------------------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"No bull, just sacrifice the Sacred Cows"

http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 3:30 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"
<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cf1082c0-1755-4255-b1bd-f3b529666729@e14g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
> While the Dutch are happily riding bikes, here people is talking BS
> about whether or not you need separate facilities. It's simple: the
> Dutch way or give the whole fucking lane to the cyclist. TAKE THE LANE
> and end of story. No more, finito, ciao, hasta la vista!
>
> BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...

TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 7:13 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

(My wisdom is spreading throughout the world before you even know it.
Notice my advice requires little or no money, which would be swallowed
by the jungle)

On Sep 30, 5:13 am, "Charles Grozny" <n5...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "FatterDumber& Happier Moe" <"WheresMyCheck"@UncleSamLoves.Mee> wrote in

> I would have suggested that the Unwise Tibetian Monkey Stretcher get a life
> first, then get a haircut and get a REAL job.
>
> Besides, his brother was out on the other side of the road, so there WAS
> another monkey out. And NOBODY was using the bike path that has been up
> for 6 months now and a scant 50 feet from the road. It's a nice wide
> smooth bike path and wide enough to be marked into lanes going both ways.
> And I'm seeing a lot of Monkey Stretchers relatives along that road instead
> of on the bike path.
>
> (Funny how if the County is broke, where'd they get the money for the bike
> path that wasn't there last year? And all the lit street signs that were
> installed this last year? Then they wonder why I refer to this as CROOK
> county. And IDOT's Operation Tiger is misspelled, as is IDOT. )
>
> Charles Grozny

Listen, bicycle infrastructure is the way to bring the people out. The
Dutch can remind you of that. But there's another way which is to TAKE
THE LANE and forget about traffic. This is based on my celebrated
Wisdom of the Jungle. Simply put, any money you throw at the jungle,
disappears when the lions eat it and leave the scraps for the monkey,
in this case a trail of poorly designed and UNCONNECTED bike
facilities.

So from now on, learn to call it by name: the Dutch Way of the
TibetanMonkey way.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 7:33 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

(As I was saying my wisdom is gaining converts all over the world, but
not converts in the sense of religion, just a reality. One of my
famous quotes is given in capital letters)

On Sep 29, 8:58 pm, livvy <mmrward1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 29, 8:41 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of

> > The "rest of the world" is divided in many religions and sects in
> > which Jesus is just another character contending for recognition.
>
> > A kid from Congo would say, "Who's Jesus, and how is he helping me?"- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> The "rest of the world" is divided in many religions and sects in
>
> > which Jesus is just another character contending for recognition
>
> everyone know this except, apparently, you. Jeez. A kid from
> Congo? As though you give a crap. All of this is well known....and
> neither Catholics, nor Christians, nor the entire world at large is to
> blame. Appears you have a problem with everything. Pick a
> lane.....and settle down. Everything isn't about one thing, and
> nothing is about you.

The subject here is NOT me, but the kid in Congo and whether he knows
about Jesus and even if he cares. There's a few charities working down
there, but they also gain converts. NOTHING IS FREE EXCEPT THE WISDOM
OF THE JUNGLE.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 1:44 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 9/30/2010 12:30 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of
the Jungle wrote:
> While the Dutch are happily riding bikes, here people is talking BS
> about whether or not you need separate facilities. It's simple: the
> Dutch way or give the whole fucking lane to the cyclist. TAKE THE LANE
> and end of story. No more, finito, ciao, hasta la vista!
>
> BLAH, BLAH, BLAH...
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "No bull, just sacrifice the Sacred Cows"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

Have you seen the kind of taxation the Dutch have? Just for fuel the tax
rate is $3.50 USD per U.S. gallon of petrol *plus* a 20% VAT on top of
that. I doubt all these people are cyclists by choice.

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TOPIC: Ed Dolan the Great and the denizens of Usenet
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 3:28 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Tom Sherman °_°" <twshermanREMOVE@THISsouthslope.net> wrote in message
news:i810cb$nbv$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 9/29/2010 9:52 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
[...]
>> Jobs are for slaves like Tom Sherman, not for free living souls like
>> Myself!
>>
> Ed means "free loading souls".

Nice work if you can get it!

>>> Ed Dolan has spent his life living off the income of investments made by
>>> his harder working forebears.
>>
>> Nope, my forebears did not work hard either. I come from a long line of
>> smart people who knew how to live without working hard.
>>
> NB: I wrote "harder", not "hard".

I am far superior to my forebears. I never worked at all except briefly
while in the g.d. Navy!
[...]

>> A life of leisure is easily within reach of any American. All you have to
>> do
>> is never marry, never have children, do not buy a house or a new car,
>> and,
>> in short, do not ever spend a penny you do not absolutely have to spend.
>> Jeez, I would have thought even a jerk like Tom Sherman would have been
>> able
>> figure this much out on his own.
>>
> Sorry Ed, but most USians need to work full time even if they just want to
> eat a subsistence diet and have a place to live. Cheap housing (boarding
> houses, etc) have disappeared, and even a 150 square foot room with shared
> kitchen and bathroom is not that cheap. The same could be said for a
> liver and sauerkraut [1] diet.

I once spent 2 months in the early 70's traveling the West in my VW and it
only cost me $200 total. You have to keep track of pennies in order to be
able to do things like that.

> Mr. Ed Dolan is sadly divorced from the contemporary real world.

Maybe so, but I lived in a far, far better world than we are living in
today.

> [1] Reportedly the least expensive nutritionally adequate diet.

German food is inedible as is English food. American food is the best and is
still cheap compared to the rest of the world.

I know how to live on a shoestring. Mr. Sherman would not have to work like
a dog all of his life if he would lower his standard of living, but no
American ever wants to do that. The difference between us is that I value
leisure above all else and he doesn't. It turns out he is more American than
me. I am more French!

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 7:37 am
From: JimmyMac

On Sep 29, 8:27 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e82c6310-2d6a-4bc8-b2d6-4eaa54336ac5@i3g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 28, 12:32 pm, Tom Sherman °_°
>
> <twshermanREM...@THISsouthslope.net> wrote:
> > On 9/28/2010 5:41 AM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> [...]
> > > I have given Mr. Sherman exactly what he deserves and he knows it better
> > > than you. His liberal-socialist-communist views stink to high heaven. It
> > > is
> > > hilarious that he somehow regards himself as a working man when he is in
> > > fact a civil engineer. It is almost as funny are your idiotic job as an
> > > IT
> > > specialist. Neither one of you would know what a hard days work is all
> > > about.
> >>> Apparently, from his response, Tom begs to differ.
> >>> Say there, Conan the Librarian, you lugubrious laggard and parasitic
>
> sloth, you should perform a hard days one day so that you can
> formulate an opinion regarding what that entails before spewing your
> ill-conceived disdain of the working man. For what it's worth,
> working with the mind can be harder than working with the body. I've
> done both and know what hard work is. As a profession, where do you
> think lackadaisical troglodyte internet troll ranks with civil
> engineer and IT specialist? Never mind ... rhetorical.
>
> If the Internet were properly designed there would be no need for IT
> specialists (does radio or TV have IT specialists?). If you had a brain in
> your head instead of just hard work to fall back on, maybe you could have
> come up with a better way for computers to talk to one another on the
> Internet without the necessity of having a lot of asshole IT specialists
> around to constantly be fixing the g.d. fucking thing.

As usual, your reply is a cornucopia of misunderstanding and
disinformation. You repeatedly prove that you are a myopic
"visionary". Here's a concept for you. When you don't know what you
are talking about, why not shut the fuck up and spare yourself self-
inflicted embarrassment?

The FACTS:

1. The scope of IT is not limited solely to the internet. TIme to get
up to speed before running your uneducated mouth.

2. Radio and TV most certainly have specialists, just not information
technology specialists. They are called technicians. They design and
repair hardware, write software, etc., although even this is becoming
blurred somewhat with the convergence of TV and computer technology.
TIme to get up to speed before running your uneducated mouth.

3. What is currently being developed in the world of computers and
computing today is astonishing. I am aware of much of it simply
because, unlike you, I have taken an interest to become informed.
Being uninformed never has been a deterrent to the spew your errant
opinions. TIme to get up to speed before running your uneducated
mouth.

4. I do have hard work experience to fall back on, but this does not
preclude the use of my brain. As far as brains are concerned, you may
have one, but you have admitted that you have nothing left worthwhile
to learn ... a sign of your shear arrogance. You have the gall to
criticize others for not using their brain when you seldom put your to
good use? You are cereberally impotent . You contribute nothing that
he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single,
original, creative thought ever oozes forth from your atrophied gray
matter. You said it best yourself when you wrote, "I have never had
an original idea in my entire life and I never will."

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 11:56 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"JimmyMac" <jimmymac_4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:8960135d-4fba-4db8-a137-ae3aeaedf5f2@i13g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Sep 29, 8:27 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
[...]
> If the Internet were properly designed there would be no need for IT
> specialists (does radio or TV have IT specialists?). If you had a brain in
> your head instead of just hard work to fall back on, maybe you could have
> come up with a better way for computers to talk to one another on the
> Internet without the necessity of having a lot of asshole IT specialists
> around to constantly be fixing the g.d. fucking thing.

>> As usual, your reply is a cornucopia of misunderstanding and
disinformation. You repeatedly prove that you are a myopic
"visionary". Here's a concept for you. When you don't know what you
are talking about, why not shut the fuck up and spare yourself self-
inflicted embarrassment?

>> The FACTS:

>> 1. The scope of IT is not limited solely to the internet. TIme to get
up to speed before running your uneducated mouth.

>> 2. Radio and TV most certainly have specialists, just not information
technology specialists. They are called technicians. They design and
repair hardware, write software, etc., although even this is becoming
blurred somewhat with the convergence of TV and computer technology.
TIme to get up to speed before running your uneducated mouth.

Radio and TV work perfectly without constantly being fucked with viruses,
malware, hackers, etc. The computer and its associated technology is
seriously flawed.

>> 3. What is currently being developed in the world of computers and
computing today is astonishing. I am aware of much of it simply
because, unlike you, I have taken an interest to become informed.
Being uninformed never has been a deterrent to the spew your errant
opinions. TIme to get up to speed before running your uneducated
mouth.

And what has been your contribution to getting rid of the Internet as it
presently exists?

>> 4. I do have hard work experience to fall back on, but this does not
preclude the use of my brain. As far as brains are concerned, you may
have one, but you have admitted that you have nothing left worthwhile
to learn ... a sign of your shear arrogance. You have the gall to
criticize others for not using their brain when you seldom put your to
good use? You are cereberally impotent . You contribute nothing that
he hasn't already written countless times before. Not a single,
original, creative thought ever oozes forth from your atrophied gray
matter. You said it best yourself when you wrote, "I have never had
an original idea in my entire life and I never will."

And neither have you of course, but you are too arrogant to admit it. Being
an IT specialist is the most humble of callings. It would be best to shut up
about it if you ask me. As it is, your life is devoted to trying to unfuck a
fucked up technology.

I urge you to humble yourself and become self-effacing like ME! In your
present condition, you are not worthy to be in the same universe with Ed
Dolan the Great, aka Saint Edward the Great.

> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 11:03 am
From: Richie Nearsen

Have American women no decency, at long last?

How about SHIT-for brains?

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"Love, worry send Tai Shan fans to China"

By William Wan
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 29, 2010; 11:42 PM

BIFENGXIA PANDA BASE, CHINA - For four middle-aged American women, a
trip to China was a chance to pull out all of their panda finery: the
panda earrings, the necklaces, and the many, many panda plush toys.

But what they experienced when they got to the country's largest panda
reserve topped anything they'd ever done in years of devotion to their
beloved bear, Tai Shan.

Hunched over in brown janitorial coveralls, they used their hands to
gather new ursine artifacts straight from the source: clumps of
fibrous, multicolored panda poop.

The sight of the Western women scrubbing down the panda pens was
enough to cause flocks of Chinese tourists to swivel their cameras to
catch the action. A few even stopped the women in their tracks to pose
with them for pictures.

For the Americans, the up-close panda time was a privilege for which
they had spent lavishly and planned meticulously. The four of them -
three from Washington, one from New York - had dreamed up this trip
into the bamboo forests of Sichuan province months ago, almost from
the moment the National Zoo in Washington announced that Tai Shan was
leaving.

His departure in February left the women heartbroken and desperately
wondering what his life would be like. But what worried them most was
this: In a faraway land with hundreds of other pandas and 1.3 billion
strangers, would anyone love Tai Shan like they had throughout his
life?

That's what they came here last week to find out. And to get as close
as possible, they even persuaded his new handlers to let them feed and
clean up after him.

It may seem like a bizarre idea, the women admitted, maybe even a
little excessive. But as any songwriter or romantic will tell you, you
don't always get to choose who you love. And when that somebody turns
out to be a panda, and he moves halfway across the world, you do what
it takes to make sure he's all right.

"We don't want to come off like crazy or rich, entitled foreigners,"
explained Karen Wille, 56, a business consultant from Arlington. "He's
their panda now. . . . But we just want to see how he's doing."

Friends at the zoo

The four women were complete strangers just five years ago, their
friendship forged over long days at the National Zoo. They went once a
week whenever possible to watch Tai Shan, to talk to one another and
to seize any chance to speak with his keepers. They became regular
donors to the zoo; one of the women even paid $1,200 at a fundraiser
for an ink print of Tai Shan's paw.

Among the four women, Wille is the quickest to cry. Elise Ney, 50, an
audiologist from Bethesda, is the strong one, always upbeat. The third
woman, who lives in New York but said she did not want her name
published, is the most private and least inclined to explain to a
reporter how she ended up crossing oceans and continents just for a
bear.

It was the youngest - Christie Harper, 42, of Derwood, Md. - who
served as the master planner, mapping out each step of the trip.

A friendly woman with a warm smile and contagious laugh, Harper, a
pension consultant, talked freely about how she learned to bake just
so she could make panda-shaped cakes on special occasions. How she
later learned photography and bought a professional-grade camera for
her weekend shoots at the zoo.

Her husband supports her interest and has even tagged along on some of
her many trips to see Tai Shan in Washington. But he has also - half
jokingly, half seriously - asked her to dress less frequently in black
and white.

It all began, Harper explained, with the "panda cam" - the live Web
site that streamed 24-hour coverage of Tai Shan shortly after his much
publicized birth in 2005, the first cub to survive past infancy at the
National Zoo.

Just a few months before, Harper's mother had passed away. And as she
watched the baby panda follow his mom around, and the way his mom
lovingly nuzzled him back, something about it just grabbed hold of
her.

She wasn't the only one. During his 41/2 years in Washington, Tai Shan
and his mom adorned the cover of National Geographic. His fans
included first lady Laura Bush and the queen of Bhutan. His cuteness
inspired thousands of gifts, letters, even wedding invitations sent to
the zoo. And when Washington's most beloved animal finally left, it
was as though the entire city went into mourning. Several of the four
women made the papers in the ensuing coverage of devastated Tai Shan
fans.

Harper also read articles from China in which his new keepers vowed to
treat him like any other panda. No more sweet potatoes or pears (his
favorites). No special treatment.

Among the four women, she noted, only one has children. Tai Shan, she
said, was in many ways their baby. As Ney put it: "Watching him go was
a little like sending your kid off to school. You just don't know. You
worry."

A thrilling trip

The women, however, were careful not to say any of this as they
entered the panda reserve with a tour group from the U.S. Like
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easygoing, sane.

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concrete pen leading out to a large bamboo-lined courtyard - the
squeals of joy and tears flowed immediately and freely.

The women volunteered through a new program at the Bifengxia panda
research center. The program was designed to give foreign donors a
hands-on look at the center, but has since been opened up to all
tourists. Although their tour included just two days at the reserve,
the women stayed on for almost an entire week.

The trip was expensive overall - roughly $5,000 per person - but the
fee to work with the pandas was relatively small, about $15 a day plus
$22 for the uniform. Most volunteers are assigned their jobs, but the
women's enthusiasm persuaded officials to let them toil mostly on Tai
Shan's pen.

They were quickly put to work, their bodies aching at the end of each
day. But what made everything worth it was the feeding, when they got
to touch Tai Shan for the first time through bars - something they
always wanted but were never allowed to do in Washington.

Upon learning that the women had paid to do such work, one Chinese man
taking photos of them was simply dumbfounded. "I don't understand it,"
said Ma Yueguang, visiting from the nearby city of Chengdu. "That kind
of hard labor is what the poor migrant workers do in China. They spent
money to do this?"

Beyond fees and donations, the women also brought loads of gifts for
Tai Shan's keepers: T-shirts, chocolates, even trinkets for their
children. And after a long morning's work last Friday, they invited
one keeper to lunch, treading lightly with their questions: Does he
like working at the panda center? What does he think of Tai? How has
their baby bear been these past months?

At home in China

The next day, in an interview with a reporter at the reserve's office,
the center's vice director of panda care tried to address those
questions. For the most part, the official, Luo Bo, spoke in facts and
figures.

Tai Shan, he explained, arrived underweight at 196 pounds and with a
flabby belly. His Chinese keepers tackled both problems by preying on
his love of food, hiding snacks to force him to exercise while
simultaneously bulking him up. In just seven months he had gained 40
pounds. (A spokeswoman for the National Zoo disputed the underweight
characterization and attributed his weight gain in China to seasonal
fluctuations.)

In another year or two, Luo said, he'd be ready for mating. Already,
they were working out his hind legs in anticipation, hanging food
above his head to practice mating positions.

Yes. But is he happy?

At this, Luo's face softened and he put aside the spreadsheets and
numbers.

Ever since Tai Shan's arrival, Luo has seen the steady trickle of
American fans to his panda reserve. He's read how these Tai Shan
lovers are often laughed at and derided, both in the United States and
China. But Luo said he welcomed their passion and even admired it.

Throughout much of China, the concept of animal rights is just
emerging, he explained, and abuse of animals is still prevalent. "When
you are poor you only worry about what you will eat, where you will
sleep. Things like animal rights are considered a luxury," he said.

"But that's changing in China," Luo said. "If the Chinese see just how
much these foreigners are able to love a single panda, perhaps they
will start loving animals, too."

Hearing such talk from his keepers has done much to soothe the four
women's worries, but it hasn't stopped the tears.

Outside Tai Shan's pen after a recent morning's feeding, one of his
keepers, Liu Juan, recounted how the American women had cried upon
seeing Tai Shan; a few cried again after feeding and touching him for
the first time. And she strongly suspected they would cry once again
when it came time to leave him.

"Some people think it's strange, but I understand their feelings," she
confessed. "I cried too when I saw pandas for the first time. I want
to tell the women that we also love pandas. That's why we all work
here. They don't need to worry about Tai Shan."

[Staff researcher Zhang Jie contributed to this report.]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/29/AR2010092907837.html

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 12:03 pm
From: rst0wxyz

The last time I saw a panda was probably 1980 at the Washington
National Zoo before coming back to California.

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TOPIC: Would you go as far as to say the car is a Christian vehicle and the
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 11:07 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

I don't mean American Libertarian, but left wing anti-authoritarian
riders vs. authoritarian Christians. Why would you depend on Big Oil
or Big Brother, just get on your bike and go! Right Libertarians
though don't believe in government and take the Law of the Jungle in
their own hands.

This is as clear as Black and White. Or perhaps it's that I don't see
any Christian braving the roads to get bread, nor do I see them
pushing for bicycle issues. The Christians are driven... Get it?

I know where Jesus stands on this issue though.

Here's the Political Compass given by the vehicle you drive:

Right Libertarian: SUV or car
Left Libertarian: bicycle or bus (out of choice)
Republican/Christian: SUV or car
Communist: bicycle or bus (out of need)

------------------------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Monkeys are Anarchists by nature. Nature is anarchist with an
emphasis on cooperation"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 11:57 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"
<nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1a1120d7-2ae5-46f4-93f7-e5eefa45a9b5@d17g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>I don't mean American Libertarian, but left wing anti-authoritarian
> riders vs. authoritarian Christians. Why would you depend on Big Oil
> or Big Brother, just get on your bike and go! Right Libertarians
> though don't believe in government and take the Law of the Jungle in
> their own hands.
>
> This is as clear as Black and White. Or perhaps it's that I don't see
> any Christian braving the roads to get bread, nor do I see them
> pushing for bicycle issues. The Christians are driven... Get it?
>
> I know where Jesus stands on this issue though.
>
> Here's the Political Compass given by the vehicle you drive:
>
> Right Libertarian: SUV or car
> Left Libertarian: bicycle or bus (out of choice)
> Republican/Christian: SUV or car
> Communist: bicycle or bus (out of need)

He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
with monkeys, but I can't prove it.

But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
if the rest of you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 12:24 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"

On Sep 30, 11:57 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of the Jungle"<nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1a1120d7-2ae5-46f4-93f7-e5eefa45a9b5@d17g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> >I don't mean American Libertarian, but left wing anti-authoritarian
> > riders vs. authoritarian Christians. Why would you depend on Big Oil
> > or Big Brother, just get on your bike and go! Right Libertarians
> > though don't believe in government and take the Law of the Jungle in
> > their own hands.
>
> > This is as clear as Black and White. Or perhaps it's that I don't see
> > any Christian braving the roads to get bread, nor do I see them
> > pushing for bicycle issues. The Christians are driven... Get it?
>
> > I know where Jesus stands on this issue though.
>
> > Here's the Political Compass given by the vehicle you drive:
>
> > Right Libertarian: SUV or car
> > Left Libertarian: bicycle or bus (out of choice)
> > Republican/Christian: SUV or car
> > Communist: bicycle or bus (out of need)
>
> TM is a poor crazy bastard who just posts on his one favorite subject -
> hatred of motor vehicles because they interfere with his use of the roads.
> His other favorite subject is attacking Christianity. If you respond to this
> poor crazy bastard, then you are a poor crazy bastard too.
>
> He likes to reference monkeys and other wild animals normally found only in
> zoos because he is most likely a wild beast himself. I think he fornicates
> with monkeys, but I can't prove it.
>
> TM should confine himself to just one thread instead of proliferating them
> like a poor crazy bastard. He is insane of course. I liken him to the
> village idiot of olden times. The difference these days is that no one any
> longer recognizes the village idiot because idiocy has become so widespread.
>
> But I will be here to remind one and all of what a poor crazy bastard TM is.
> It is mark of My Greatness that I can still recognize the village idiot even
> if the rest of you can't.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: why would 1 room in our house always be hottor or colder than rest?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 11:32 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Ohioguy wrote:

>> From personal experience I can tell you that insilation makes a big difference. I had a room like you describe. When
>> I went into the attic I found gaps in the insilation and one entire rafter bay
>> was uninsulated. 2 rolls of fiberglass made a huge difference.

> Thanks, guys. Looks like I need to make this a more quantitative
> comparison by using a thermometer, and taking readings between the rooms at different times of days.

> Now that the temps are a bit lower, I'll also go up into the attic and take a look there. If I do it with someone
> tapping with a broom in that room, I should be able to get a better idea of exactly where I am.

You likely dont need to do that, just check that the insulation is there for
all the rooms, not obvious areas where its missing or has been removed.

> I may also try taking temps of the exterior walls. Not sure exactly the best way to do that,

The best way is with an infrared thermometer but they arent cheap.

You may be able to hire one from a tools rental operation place.

> but perhaps take my son's slightly insulated lunchbox, put the open side against the wall, and thermometer in there?

That wont work if one wall has the sun shining on it and the other
doesnt, that will make a lot more difference than anything else.

The sort of contact thermometer used for human temperatures might work.

> I'm guessing that if 1 room is less insulated than the other, then that room would have a lower temp faster than on a
> cool day.

Yes, particularly at night when you dont get the complication of what the sun is on etc.

> I may end up needing to blow some of that cellulose insulation into
> the wall for that room. The only other alternative I can think of
> would be to totally rip out the drywall, put in new roll insulation,
> and then new drywall. That would be a shame, since it was all just
> spackled and painted.

Yeah, but it may not be viable to blow it in because the timber horizontal
pieces in the framing may well stop you blowing insulation in very well.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 1:00 pm
From: Jeff Thies

On 9/29/2010 9:50 PM, Bob F wrote:
> Ohioguy wrote:
>> I may also try taking temps of the exterior walls. Not sure exactly
>> the best way to do that, but perhaps take my son's slightly insulated
>> lunchbox, put the open side against the wall, and thermometer in
>> there? I'm guessing that if 1 room is less insulated than the other,
>> then that room would have a lower temp faster than on a cool day.
>
> Harbor freight frequently has a thermometer on sale goy $10 that you just point
> at something and push the button.
>
>
That's a deal on an IR thermometer. It is *the* way to check to see
where heat is lost. Just point and read. A thermometer in a box will be
problematic. Heat can escape anywhere, not just up and through the windows.

Jeff

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 5:17 pm
From: "Lou"

"Ohioguy" <none@none.net> wrote in message
news:sEboo.17378$X06.3330@newsfe10.iad...
> We moved into a 1979 house back in March. Since then, I've noticed
> that our daughter's room always seems to be hotter than the rest in the
> summer, and cooler than the rest in Fall/Winter.
>
> Anyone have any suggestions for what might cause this? I thought it
> might be an issue with the ducts, until I realized this was also the
> case when we didn't even have the AC or furnace on.
>
> The strange thing is, this room seems to have more extreme temps than
> our son's bedroom - which is on the corner, and thus has about 70% more
> exterior wall. It kind of defies logic, at least at first glance.

Some possibilities
1. There's less (or no) insulation in the walls or ceiling for this room
than there is for the rest of the house.
2. The house sits at just the right angle so that the exterior wall gets
the sun in the summer but not in the winter. My office at work is like
that.
3. She leaves the window open
4. The window(s) don't seal as well as those in the rest of the house.

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TOPIC: If Europe knew about the TibetanMonkey, there would be no riots!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 1:36 pm
From: Forrest Hodge

On 9/29/2010 10:23 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey & the Spirits of
the Jungle wrote:
> On Sep 29, 7:01 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 9/29/2010 9:07 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Spirits of
>>
>>
>>
>> the Jungle wrote:
>>> On Sep 29, 4:47 pm, Forrest Hodge<f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9/29/2010 1:51 PM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey& the Spirits of
>>
>>>> the Jungle wrote:
>>>>> (This is the way to survive a regular crisis in the capitalist jungle
>>>>> without losing control. At least we should be able to come out the
>>>>> cage and ride a bike, right?)
>>
>>>>> That's because the Wisdom of the TibetanMonkey is all about austerity,
>>>>> not consumerism, meaning you can be happy with peanuts. Look at what
>>>>> the unwise monkeys are doing in Europe...
>>
>>>>> "Anti-austerity protests sweep across Europe"
>>
>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100929/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_europe_austerity_p...
>>
>>>>> Electricity costs? Dump the large screen TV and get a bunch of
>>>>> parakeets or a mouse to entertain you. Transportation costs? Ride a
>>>>> bike! Too hot? Get a hammock. Too cold? Get a girlfriend, if you
>>>>> already don't have one. Can't get a girlfriend? Masturbate for peace!
>>
>>>>> I may have to go and lecture there. What's the going rate for the
>>>>> Dalai Lama to give speeches?
>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>> "Praying for prosperity won't help. Only wisdom can bring inner peace"
>>
>>>>> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>>
>>>>> http://webspawner.com/users/MASTURBATIONFORPEACE
>>
>>>> Or they could just have a more realistic sense of entitlement.
>>
>>> Americans would riot over gas taxes where they riot over retirement
>>> age. If there were riots against chaotic traffic, you could count me
>>> in. ;)
>>
>> Keep in mind the gas prices in Europe are artificially high due to
>> taxes. The wholesale price of a barrel of crude is about the same
>> everywhere in the world.
>
> I thought they were kept artificially low here. Anyway we need to
> downsize our cars and consumption.

Fuel is taxed here, but at a considerably lower rate than it is across
the pond. In some countries, mostly those with vast oil reserves, oil is
heavily subsidized though, but not in the U.S. As for the downsizing of
our cars. What vehicle someone chooses to drive is up to them. Let the
free market dictate what kind of cars are produced. If people want small
cars with that get great fuel mileage, then the automakers will make them.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Sep 30 2010 2:53 pm
From: waleska

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