Frugal Living: Apr 27, 2011

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TOPIC: Local Area Network Details
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 25 2011 8:24 pm
From: "webtech.ashish webtechnoworld"

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______
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 12:51 am
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Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 1:49 am
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TOPIC: Hot Weather Clothing: was: Re: Liberation of Women should include
Exposed Breasts
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0a8e226dcb97aa19?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 4:33 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 25, 11:11 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In article <ip55nq$l7...@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev wrote:
> >On 04/24/11 22:37, Joy Beeson wrote:
>
> >> On Sat, 23 Apr 2011 21:59:44 -0700, The Real Bev
> >> <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> Back in the dark ages when I was in high school hoopskirts with
> >>> petticoats were the in thing. The cheap ones were just wire frames and
> >>> were kind of miserable to sit in; the expensive ones were made of net
> >>> with boning and provided a lot of air circulation.
>
> >>> This was the late 1950s, not 1850s!
>
> >> Hoop skirts never made it to my high school -- we wore "crinolines" --
> >> ruffled net underskirts, or stiff some-sort-of-synthetic petticoats.
> >> And we wore them only for dress-up; for school, we wore pleated or
> >> circular skirts over ordinary slips.
>
> >Hoops plus crinolines. Frequently starched with sugar water, although
> >my grandma used real starch. Worn for school under a 3-yard gathered skirt.
>
> >> When I'm riding my bike in a damp linen shirt, I feel sorry for the
> >> guys toasting bare skin in the sun.
>
> >How else are they going to exhibit their machismo now that killing a
> >saber-tooth tiger isn't really all that practical?
>
> How about inventing or wearing men's versions of *cooling* women's
> garments, such as dresses and skirts?
>
> How about the exomis, especially of older Greek style? That's a dress,
> though that was a manly dress that men wore before pants were put into
> practice.
>
> And, strongly it appears to me, a Greek exomis appears to me "more
> manly" than the Roman version.
> --
> - Don Klipstein (d...@mity.com)

There's one thing I love to wear too. It's cotton, loose and has a
wide neck with a lace. Very cool and stylish.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 7:41 am
From: The Real Bev

On 04/25/11 19:57, Don Klipstein wrote:

> In article<ip54vl$26r$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev wrote:
> *(Did I get this right?)
>>On 04/24/11 00:06, Don Klipstein wrote:
>>
>>> In article<ip0ao2$oll$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev wrote:
>>>>On 04/23/11 21:28, Don Klipstein wrote:
>>>>> His Highness the TibetanMonkey wrote in part:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I feel sorry for those ladies who must wear a top, but they can
>>>>>>mitigate the heat by wearing a shirt somewhat unbuttoned without bra.
>>>>>>I mean you can wear a burka and ride a bike but it doesn't sound
>>>>>>natural.
>>>>
>>>>I'd worry about it getting caught in the chain. And you'd need a lot of
>>>>mirrors. Not practical.
>>>
>>> What would I need mirrors for? No clothing gets more than an inch from
>>> my body except below my armpits!
>>>
>>> As for getting caught in the chain? On a men's bike, I never had that
>>> problem with an exomis or a mid-calf-length raincoat!
>>
>>You mentioned a burkha, which is what I was talking about. I would
>>think the objections would be obvious.
>
> I was responding to someone who likely mentioned a "burkha".
>
> I think those are not-so-cooling, and worn mostly by women willing to
> go-along-to-get-along in societies that demean women.
>
> If I had to be a woman in such societies, I would bare a breast with
> the worn-by-a-woman exomis mentioned earlier in this thread.

Would you do it if it meant death?

--
Cheers, Bev
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Eat this, NSA: bomb assassinate Washington North Korea Iraq spy poison

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 2:25 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <ip6lhu$ir7$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev wrote:
>On 04/25/11 19:57, Don Klipstein wrote:

>> I was responding to someone who likely mentioned a "burkha".
>>
>> I think those are not-so-cooling, and worn mostly by women willing to
>> go-along-to-get-along in societies that demean women.
>>
>> If I had to be a woman in such societies, I would bare a breast with
>> the worn-by-a-woman exomis mentioned earlier in this thread.
>
>Would you do it if it meant death?

You got a point there. I would wear a burkha if necessary to be allowed
to live.

I doubt burkhas make bike riding easier. Don't they impair vision?
--
- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 5:48 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 04/26/11 14:25, Don Klipstein wrote:

> In article<ip6lhu$ir7$1@dont-email.me>, The Real Bev wrote:
>>On 04/25/11 19:57, Don Klipstein wrote:
>
> <SNIP to here>
>
>>> I was responding to someone who likely mentioned a "burkha".
>>>
>>> I think those are not-so-cooling, and worn mostly by women willing to
>>> go-along-to-get-along in societies that demean women.
>>>
>>> If I had to be a woman in such societies, I would bare a breast with
>>> the worn-by-a-woman exomis mentioned earlier in this thread.
>>
>>Would you do it if it meant death?
>
> You got a point there. I would wear a burkha if necessary to be allowed
> to live.
>
> I doubt burkhas make bike riding easier. Don't they impair vision?

Hence the need for extra mirrors...

--
Cheers, Bev
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...so few snipers, so many politicians...

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TOPIC: Speed Cameras vs. Red Light Cameras
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 4:40 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica Powell <jessica.pow...@spam.ah> wrote:
> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser

> > But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
> > are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
>
> > If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> > Better
> > yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
> > people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> I made no such claim about signs.

Let me give you my thoughts:

Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
meaningful and profitable...

You rather live with something that doesn't change your reckless
driving dramatically and the government gets its profits.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 10:23 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 26, 7:51 am, Steve <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
>
>
> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica Powell <jessica.pow...@spam.ah> wrote:
> >> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser
>
> >> > But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras. They
> >> > are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.
>
> >> > If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> >> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> >> > Better
> >> > yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect the
> >> > people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> >> I made no such claim about signs.
>
> >Let me give you my thoughts:
>
> >Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
> >meaningful and profitable...
>
> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. Anything that inhibits red light
> running is meaningful.

We still have the traffic going wild instead of being tamed. They race
and zigzag between lights, and most lights don't a have a camera at
all and they know it!

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 11:41 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

This is the ultimate source... One study says IT SAVES LIVES, another
says NO. Clear enough it save saves lives since rear-end collisions
are rarely that fatal, and THEY MUST PAY YOU!!!

"Numbers rarely lie, and the numbers produced by the 2011 Insurance
Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) say red-light cameras do indeed
save lives."

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/red-light-cameras-save-lives.htm

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 8:42 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

On Apr 26, 10:51 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Gary L. Burnore" <gburn...@databasix.com> wrote in messagenews:ip7a2d$e5a$14@nntpd.databasix.com...
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 18:01:56 +0000 (UTC), "5995 Dead, 1138 since
> > 1/20/09" <d...@gone.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:12:24 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote:
>
> >>> "Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:lvsdr6562v5l5trsg48vb36jrarhdk7la3@4ax.com...
> >>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 10:57:30 -0500, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >>>>>"Steve" <stevencan...@yahooooo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:fccdr6d0kt7d11l40ji5sl9572ipriktp9@4ax.com...
> >>>>>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the
> >>>>>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
> >>>>>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica Powell <jessica.pow...@spam.ah> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach
> >>>>>>>> Cruiser
>
> >>>>>>>> > But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras.
> >>>>>>>> > They
> >>>>>>>> > are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that
> >>>>>>>> > much.
>
> >>>>>>>> > If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!
>
> >>>>>>>> False dichotomy fallacy.
>
> >>>>>>>> > Better
> >>>>>>>> > yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not
> >>>>>>>> > protect the
> >>>>>>>> > people, as you claim to be the case.
>
> >>>>>>>> I made no such claim about signs.
>
> >>>>>>>Let me give you my thoughts:
>
> >>>>>>>Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are
> >>>>>>>meaningful and profitable...
>
> >>>>>> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. Anything that inhibits red light
> >>>>>> running is meaningful.
>
> >>>>>Simply increasing the yellow on time by one second has been shown to
> >>>>>decrease the most dangerous accidents by over 70%. Red light cameras
> >>>>>have
> >>>>>been shown to increase rear end accidents significantly.
>
> >>>> So says you, huh?
>
> >>> Technically, almost everybody that knows this stuff says so.
> >>> Technically.
>
> >>> It appears that you are one of the few that are not up to speed on this
> >>> issue.
>
> >>He's getting more desperate in his trolling. Nobody takes him seriously
> >>any more.
>
> > I troll. His posts aren't trolling. He really believes the shit he
> > spews. That's not trolling. That's just fucking stupid.
> > --
>
> <agreeing with Gary...>
> The only reports that support red light cameras come from the insurance
> companies that get to raise rates on red light runners, and the
> administrators of the camera systems.
>
> All of the other studies tend to support the idea that red light cameras are
> the cause of accidents.
>
> <not agreeing with Gary...>

OK, I want to make this point: We have Red Light Cameras everywhere,
and it's the more debatable of the two, WHY DO MAKE A FUSS ABOUT SPEED
CAMERAS?

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TOPIC: In the Community Garden...
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Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 7:18 am
From: Demopublican

In article <4DB2063B.3020809@columbia-center.org>,
Dan Clore <clore@columbia-center.org> wrote:

> News & Views for Anarchists & Activists:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/smygo
>
> http://www.dailycal.org/article/112912/gardening_organizer_aims_to_unify_commu
> nity
> The Daily Californian Online
> Gardening organizer aims to unify community
> By Sara Johnson
> Daily Cal Staff Writer
> Friday, April 22, 2011
>
> A former political activist, Laurence Schechtman's Neighborhood
> Vegetables is responsible for planting numerous gardens throughout the
> wider East Bay area.
>
> The "Laurence of Berkeley" today is actually the second. The title was
> passed to Laurence Schechtman - a self-described anarcho-syndicalist and
> prominent community activist - about 30 years ago.
>
> Schechtman is a longtime Berkeley activist. He moved to the city in 1964
> after a particularly shy friend told him about his participation in
> protests and demonstrations.
>
> "'If Berkeley has done that to you, I'm coming,'" Schechtman recalled
> telling his friend.
>
> His resume is lengthy: He has spent many years involved in food
> co-operatives and progressive politics. He holds a master's degree in
> sociology from UC Berkeley.
>
> "(Berkeley) was the most amazing place in those days," he said. "(But)
> right from the beginning, my preference was community building rather
> than protest."
>
> His gardening kick began in the early 1990s, when he asked students in a
> class at the Berkeley Adult School to help him plant a garden in the
> empty lot next to his house on Virginia Street.
>
> "If you come on down and help me plant my garden, I'll cook you a pot of
> spaghetti," he said he told the students, adding that 10 people showed up.
>
> In 2006, he cofounded the Berkeley Progressive Alliance, a group aimed
> at unifying progressive groups around the city in support of candidates.
> This was also the end of his political activism to date.
>
> "I came to the conclusion ... you cannot have progressive politics that
> is worth anything unless you have a community," Schechtman said. "When
> you don't have a community ... it doesn't matter what the ideology is,
> you attract people who want power."
>
> So he changed his focus to organizing that community. In 2008, he signed
> up about 100 people for Neighborhood Vegetables, East Bay, a
> community-focused group aimed at assisting residents with planting their
> vegetable gardens.
>
> Mary Ann Blackwell has one of those gardens. Through the group,
> Schechtman organized a gardening party at her home in North Oakland.
>
> "The fact that he brings people together in the neighborhood to meet and
> get to know each other is a powerful force for positive change and
> unification," Blackwell said in an email.
>
> Neighborhood Vegetables held two garden work parties last weekend, and
> two more are scheduled in the upcoming weeks. Schechtman brings his
> mandolin to each party.
>
> Berkeley resident David Skolnick said Schechtman "has quite the
> repertoire" of union and folk songs. Skolnick, who teaches writing and
> English for non-native speakers at local colleges, has been working with
> Schechtman on Neighborhood Vegetables for several years.
>
> The parties also regularly include a gift circle, Schechtman said. At
> these circles, he said guests are asked, "What do you do, what do you
> need?" in services and skills, emphasizing that "it's not a trade, it's
> a gift."
>
> "I got a massage the other night," he said.
>
> Today, he has about 2,000 people on his email list. Nonetheless, he has
> mixed feelings about this growth.
>
> "With all those people, I can send emails," he said. "If you phone and
> you schmooze, people will come."
>
> His long-term goal is decentralizing the organization to a more
> neighborhood-focused level. At a meeting Wednesday, he set up two work
> parties in North Oakland around 61st Street and San Pablo Avenue - about
> two blocks apart.
>
> Schechtman said these upcoming events "concentrate on developing that
> neighborhood as a sample neighborhood." Ultimately, he hopes to
> restructure Neighborhood Vegetables to create closer-knit communities
> that can garden, share food and even develop "baby-sitting co-ops."
>
> "Then you'll have the neighborhood village," he said.
>
> He has organized another meeting for Thursday in West Berkeley to
> develop the community around Rosa Parks Elementary School.
>
> Schechtman does have one complaint - he does not have a garden of his
> own. His landlady will not let him.
>
> "My confession is that I'm not a gardener, I'm an organizer," he said.
> Tags: Laurence Schechtman, Neighborhood Vegetables, Berkeley Progressive
> Alliance

and some community gardeners approach the local groceries and
restaurants to compost their "waste" and even cardboard can keep the
weeds down.
--
Karma, What a concept!

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TOPIC: Phoebe Snow R.I.P.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 9:10 am
From: Derald

Phoebe Ann Loeb: My kind of girl.
--
Derald

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TOPIC: Today's rant
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 9:13 am
From: SMS

On 4/25/2011 9:15 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> We just assembled a "heavy duty" metal shelf unit. All parts are sheet
> metal bent in various ways. The whole thing is put together with
> identical screws with square nuts.

<snip>

I bought a bunch of steel storage shelf units at Costco, but they are
industrial type shelving that doesn't use nuts and bolts,
<http://whalenstorage.com/products/storage.html>. I stopped buying those
light-duty bolt-together units because even though they are marginally
cheaper they are not sturdy enough. Sounds like you bought the 50 series
from Hirsch <http://www.hirshindustries.com/html/50___250_series.html>.

Ikea has an area near the returns section where they have extra bits and
pieces of hardware available at no charge. Of course I've assembled Ikea
stuff where they forgot to drill a hole, and I just sucked it up and
drilled it myself rather than taking everything apart and going back to
the store for an exchange (which might have had even more problems).

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 11:26 am
From: The Real Bev

On 04/26/11 09:13, SMS wrote:

> On 4/25/2011 9:15 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>> We just assembled a "heavy duty" metal shelf unit. All parts are sheet
>> metal bent in various ways. The whole thing is put together with
>> identical screws with square nuts.
>
> <snip>
>
> I bought a bunch of steel storage shelf units at Costco, but they are
> industrial type shelving that doesn't use nuts and bolts,
> <http://whalenstorage.com/products/storage.html>. I stopped buying those
> light-duty bolt-together units because even though they are marginally
> cheaper they are not sturdy enough. Sounds like you bought the 50 series
> from Hirsch<http://www.hirshindustries.com/html/50___250_series.html>.

Yup, that's the one. I think my mom bought two of them to put in her
basement -- we put one together and she decided she didn't want the
other one and gave it to us and it's been in the garage for a LOOOONG
time. We have one of the heavy ones that you bang together with a
hammer for our TV setup and just put another one together for spare
bedroom storage. Hint: Sometimes you have to get inside the thing to
do final bashing, so don't put the bottom shelf in first!

> Ikea has an area near the returns section where they have extra bits and
> pieces of hardware available at no charge. Of course I've assembled Ikea
> stuff where they forgot to drill a hole, and I just sucked it up and
> drilled it myself rather than taking everything apart and going back to
> the store for an exchange (which might have had even more problems).

I'll stop and ask next time I'm in Covina. Daughter gave us a 'Billy'
wall unit which was put together. Brought it home in the back of the
pickup. Hubby and I wrestled it into the kitchen, which was a
monumental job (Hint #2: No, you can't lift the horizontal members!)
She also gave us a disassembled one with no hardware at all. Not sure
we'll ever assemble it even if we can get the hardware. Hint #3: NEVER
buy anything made out of chipboard if you plan on actually carrying it.

Why does Ikea have to name every single thing they sell? Did they get
the idea from "My bologna has a first name..."?

--
Cheers, Bev
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Q: How many lawyers does it take to grease a combine?
A: One, if you feed him in real slow.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 11:39 am
From: The Real Bev

On 04/26/11 11:26, The Real Bev wrote:

> On 04/26/11 09:13, SMS wrote:
>
>> On 4/25/2011 9:15 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>>> We just assembled a "heavy duty" metal shelf unit. All parts are sheet
>>> metal bent in various ways. The whole thing is put together with
>>> identical screws with square nuts.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>> I bought a bunch of steel storage shelf units at Costco, but they are
>> industrial type shelving that doesn't use nuts and bolts,
>> <http://whalenstorage.com/products/storage.html>. I stopped buying those
>> light-duty bolt-together units because even though they are marginally
>> cheaper they are not sturdy enough. Sounds like you bought the 50 series
>> from Hirsch<http://www.hirshindustries.com/html/50___250_series.html>.
>
> Yup, that's the one.

The box said "Heavy Duty". The specs at the web page specify "light
duty" at 300 pounds total distributed evenly. Lying bastards!

Hirsh also has some of the REAL heavy duty units.

--
Cheers, Bev
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Q: How many lawyers does it take to grease a combine?
A: One, if you feed him in real slow.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 1:10 pm
From: SMS

On 4/26/2011 11:39 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

> The box said "Heavy Duty". The specs at the web page specify "light
> duty" at 300 pounds total distributed evenly. Lying bastards!
>
> Hirsh also has some of the REAL heavy duty units.

Interesting that they actually state that it's "Light Duty" on the web
site. "Heavy Duty" is so meaningless in terms of marketing speak. Even
the junkiest washer/dryer slaps "Heavy Duty" onto it. Our light duty
Whirlpool dryer with "Heavy Duty" printed on the control panel sits next
to an actual heavy duty (commercial model) Speed Queen washing machine
that lacks those words.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 1:13 pm
From: SMS

On 4/26/2011 11:26 AM, The Real Bev wrote:

> Why does Ikea have to name every single thing they sell?

They don't. The cinnamon buns are not named.

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 5:49 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 04/26/11 13:13, SMS wrote:

> On 4/26/2011 11:26 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
>
>> Why does Ikea have to name every single thing they sell?
>
> They don't. The cinnamon buns are not named.

If they had names you would be reluctant to eat them.

--
Cheers, Bev
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...so few snipers, so many politicians...

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 10:16 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"

The news from the UK are hardly encouraging:

"80,000 on benefits in UK due to addiction, obesity"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110421/hl_nm/us_benefits_addiction_obesity

Maybe if they rode a bike, they wouldn't be addicted and obese. But
then how would they qualify for benefits? Hey, we better pay them to
ride a bike!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 26 2011 12:54 pm
From: "Bill"

I used to buy paper plates and they were all loose...

Lately I buy them and several individual plates will stick together. I
gather they are trying to get people to use more paper plates?

I pry them apart so I am only using one. I also use paper plate
holders so I only need to use one thin paper plate.

Paper plate holders...
http://getpaperplateholders.com

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