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Friday, January 7, 2011

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TOPIC: The Neti Pot , nasal irrigation
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 5 2011 9:09 pm
From: The Real Bev

On 01/05/11 17:46, Metspitzer wrote:

> <patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
>
>>Metspitzer<kilowatt@charter.net> wrote:
>>> "VFW,"<georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>enjoy clear nasal passages using an ancient method. Irrigate with a
>>>>saline solution and enjoy free breathing.
>>>>check it out! It's winter!
>>>
>>>Anyone use these? It looks like it might cause the fluid to go into
>>>your lungs if you are not careful.
>>
>>At the very least, it seems like it could be pretty dang
>>uncomfortable. And I assume you have to do it over a sink, no?
>
> I haven't tried one yet. I have been tempted to, as my nose runs
> constantly. After recovering from a blood disorder, one thing that
> never went away was a mild, runny nose.

My sister-in-law and her husband have used theirs for several years and
love them.

--
Cheers, Bev
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"Tough? We drink our urine and eat our dead!"
-- N. Heilweil

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 12:48 am
From: "qwrt"

The Real Bev wrote:
> On 01/05/11 17:46, Metspitzer wrote:
>
>> <patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Metspitzer<kilowatt@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> "VFW,"<georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> enjoy clear nasal passages using an ancient method. Irrigate with
>>>>> a saline solution and enjoy free breathing.
>>>>> check it out! It's winter!
>>>>
>>>> Anyone use these? It looks like it might cause the fluid to go
>>>> into your lungs if you are not careful.
>>>
>>> At the very least, it seems like it could be pretty dang
>>> uncomfortable. And I assume you have to do it over a sink, no?
>>
>> I haven't tried one yet. I have been tempted to, as my nose runs
>> constantly. After recovering from a blood disorder, one thing that
>> never went away was a mild, runny nose.
>
> My sister-in-law and her husband have used theirs for several years
> and love them.

Some whip themselves too.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 4:34 am
From: Vic Smith

On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:44:00 -0500, Metspitzer <kilowatt@charter.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 06:33:42 -0800, "VFW," <georgeswk@toast.net>
>wrote:
>
>>enjoy clear nasal passages using an ancient method. Irrigate with a
>>saline solution and enjoy free breathing.
>>check it out! It's winter!
>
>Anyone use these? It looks like it might cause the fluid to go into
>your lungs if you are not careful.

Wife gets nasal problems - stuffed, headaches - so I picked one up for
her.
She used it a few times, then never again.
Thought anything it did was a mind trick from thinking it would do
something for you.
Placebo effect? Psychosomatic?
I tried it for the hell of it. In one nose hole, out the other.
Just hold your breath while doing it.
Only thing I noticed was the inside of my nose was wet.
No surprise there.
I'm not a doc, but if you think it might help you, buy one and try it.
They're cheap.
When I was a kid I had bouts of bronchitis. First time I had it in
the Navy I was in the middle of the Atlantic, and the corpsman
told me to just gargle salt water.
I did, it went away after a couple days, and I never had it again.
Might have been happenstance.
But there's a lot of treatments worse than salt water.

--Vic

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 6:06 am
From: James

On Jan 6, 7:34 am, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 15:44:00 -0500, Metspitzer <kilow...@charter.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 06:33:42 -0800, "VFW," <george...@toast.net>
> >wrote:
>
> >>enjoy clear nasal passages using an ancient method. Irrigate with a
> >>saline solution and enjoy free breathing.
> >>check it out! It's winter!
>
> >Anyone use these? It looks like it might cause the fluid to go into
> >your lungs if you are not careful.
>
> Wife gets nasal problems - stuffed, headaches - so I picked one up for
> her.
> She used it a few times, then never again.
> Thought anything it did was a mind trick from thinking it would do
> something for you.
> Placebo effect? Psychosomatic?
> I tried it for the hell of it. In one nose hole, out the other.
> Just hold your breath while doing it.
> Only thing I noticed was the inside of my nose was wet.
> No surprise there.
> I'm not a doc, but if you think it might help you, buy one and try it.
> They're cheap.
> When I was a kid I had bouts of bronchitis. First time I had it in
> the Navy I was in the middle of the Atlantic, and the corpsman
> told me to just gargle salt water.
> I did, it went away after a couple days, and I never had it again.
> Might have been happenstance.
> But there's a lot of treatments worse than salt water.

I bought the premixed saline solutions that are used for essentially
the same purpose.

I haven't used it this year yet, but last year I found it did help
clear my sinuses faster. Certainly cheaper than a lot of
medications.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 7:39 am
From: "VFW,"

In article <georgeswk-83EAA8.06334105012011@news.toast.net>,
"VFW," <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote:

> enjoy clear nasal passages using an ancient method. Irrigate with a
> saline solution and enjoy free breathing.
> check it out! It's winter!

If you want an extreme Neti experience try the Himalayan salt.
and acquired taste.
Otherwise , I use our Neti Pot whenever congestion seems to be coming
on. It's great! And to think a RN turned us onto it.
thanks, Joan .
--
Karma, What a concept!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 4:31 am
From: yash

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TOPIC: Unbelievable, the Buddhists are sending me to Hell!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 5:29 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 5, 6:21 pm, Forrest Hodge <f...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On 1/5/2011 8:37 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
> deep jungle wrote:
> > On Jan 5, 3:41 am, truexactly<truexactly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On 05/01/2011 01:53, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the
>
> >> deep jungle wrote:
> >>> On Jan 4, 3:28 am, livvy<mmrward1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Jan 3, 12:07 pm, default wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 07:49:04 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
> >>>>> TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
>
> >>>>> <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Jan 3, 4:33 am, "love&peace"<williamu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Consider this: Man is free to choose between evil and good. the
> >>>>>>> consequences for evil is suffering; the consequences for good is joy.
> >>>>>>> If one is suffering because of his evil ways, he needs to change to
> >>>>>>> good in order to experience joy.
>
> >>>>>> The problem is evil is often disguised as good. Many of us would have
> >>>>>> seen evil differently from within the guts of the Nazi beast as a
> >>>>>> German. Many millions died "defending" the Fatherland, vaguely aware
> >>>>>> of the concentration camps if at all, fighting the evils of Communism
> >>>>>> and Democracy. ALL POLITICAL SYSTEMS CONTAIN GOOD AND EVIL IN
> >>>>>> DIFFERENT DEGREES.
>
> >>>>>> Now, some causes are definitely a solid "GOOD," such as doing what we
> >>>>>> can for the environment. Funny, many Christians dismiss Climate Change
> >>>>>> as a conspiracy. But maybe is not evil that they choose, but something
> >>>>>> they hear. Then one is confused whether to classify them as evil or
> >>>>>> dumb.
>
> >>>>>> Riding my monkey bike is definitely a ticket to join the Spirits of
> >>>>>> the Jungle upon death. If something happens to anyone while doing
> >>>>>> something heroic, just tell the bouncer at the gates of Paradise:
> >>>>>> "Hey, the TibetanMonkey sent me!"
>
> >>>>> Boy, have you guys been asleep for a long time. Good and Evil is sooo
> >>>>> '60's; profit and loss are the new religion.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >>>>> - Show quoted text -
>
> >>>> "profit and loss are the new religion". If that is your "belief"
> >>>> system, then you are so in trouble. And it hasn't a thing to do with
> >>>> religion, politics....or you.
>
> >>>> Good luck...
>
> >>> Yes, it has ALL to do with religion and politics. Politicians "preach"
> >>> this new faith and you follow and vote. It basically started with
> >>> Reagan, including Clinton, Bush and why not, even Obama.
>
> >> You are not wrong, but it is not limited to the US. The whole world
> >> political system has this religion.
> >> The mere hint of a negative quarter has any one of them in a panic,
> >> the religion of positive growth forever is well and truly entrenched.
>
> >> And it is to be compared to a religion - as it looks me like a blind
> >> faith on the future.
>
> >> But this planet we are on is a limited system. It is finite.
> >> All the atmosphere that this planet will EVER have, at any time into the
> >> future, is right here right now.
> >> All the water that this planet will EVER have, at any time into
> >> the future, is right here right now.
> >> The same goes for any mineral resources in the crust of the earth.
> >> Or Any element you care to think of.
>
> >> Although IMO, we won't hit any level of finite resource in the near
> >> future yet....maybe another 100years?
>
> >> but 100years or 1000years.......they are just small fractions of time
> >> compared to how long this planet will exist and able to support life -
> >> at least another 200Million years.
>
> >> How long will the human civilization exist ? 6.8 Billion people and growing.
>
> >> And Religion is part of the problem too,..... the "be fruitful " etc
> >> quote from the bible.
>
> >> Expanding to other planets doesn't really solve much, for example
> >> you can't just shift 1Billion people to Mars.
> >> It would however make a difference in the ultimate survivability
> >> of the human race.
>
> > Thank you. You really make my day and make recover faith in Common
> > Sense. I mean it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that and
> > not even a Buddhist Monk bent on bliss can't ignore that, even if it
> > breaks his Karma...
>
> > This new religion --perhaps best reflected in Globalization-- is the
> > worshiping of size and waste as if it was:
>
> > "In a society dominated by the fact of commercial competition, money
> > is necessarily the test of prowess, and wastefulness the sole
> > criterion of power." -Upton Sinclair, book 'The Jungle'
>
> > ***
>
> > I say it hear for all to hear: SMALL IS BETTER!
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBDQn3Qh1AY
>
> > We need practical solutions and this could be a fun alternative to go
> > out and enjoy the sun, burn some calories and meet people.
>
> > MAY THE SUN SHINE UPON YOU! ;)
>
> Just out of curiosity, why do you reply to your own posts?

Well, some real people reply to me and then I spread it everywhere.
The system works every time.

This is the system that does NOT work:

Guess what, another cyclist killed within 24 hrs in the same area? Are
drivers trying to drive us into extinction? Of course, pedestrians are
under attack too!

Let's see...

Although police have not yet determined who was at fault in the
accidents, Sheriff's Office spokeswoman Keyla Concepcion urged caution
on the part of motorists, pedestrians and bicyclists.

Bicyclists should follow established guidelines to guarantee their
safety, such as waiting for daylight, said Carlos Laborde, a United
States Cycling Federation official who manages the velodrome bicycle-
racing space for Brian Piccolo Park in Cooper City.

"Riding when it is dark is suicidal," he said. "I tell riders, Sunday
morning may be beautiful for you, but remember that it's still
Saturday night for some drivers."

Laborde called Flamingo Road in particular "a Bermuda Triangle for
bike riders."

Labrode encourages cyclists to ride at parks, where speed limits are
restricted and regulated. And for all to remember: "Bicycle riders are
the weakest ones on the road."

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2011-01-05/news/fl-sunrise-bike-accident-20110105_1_bicyclist-deaths-bicycle-crashes-car-accidents

***

So we must go and ride at parks, and how we get to the park? No wonder
you don't find people out there.

I'm telling you our system is not very cleverly designed.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 6:48 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

I'm exploring here the nature of Good and Evil, and the role of
violence and karma with a Buddhist Monk or follower. Do we have to
learn anything from them? I think their MIND DISCIPLINE is really good
for you, but their approach to justice seems to me as wise as the
Three Wise Monkeys...

On Jan 6, 12:04 am, Vajra <va...@nym.mixmin.net> wrote:
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> For some reason my posts are being chopped off. Must be my nagative karma
> ;) So for the third time a response, hopefully in full.

It must be an act of God. ;)

>
> No, someone who trashes the environment is unlikely to gain a high rebirth
> because these are negative actions, regardless of the thought behind them.
> Negative thoughts of anger, hate, greed, etc place negative seeds on the
> mindstream of that person. Yes, killing an animal is a negative act.
> Phyically hurting someone is a negative act. Verbally abusing someone is
> negative speech. Wishing harm to someone is a negative thought. Separating
> the person from the act, we realise that negative actions etc are made out
> of ignorance to the nature of reality. Negative actions are done with the
> intention of making one feel happy. This is inherent ignorance of reality.
> Negative actions bring negative results - perhaps not immediately, but
> eventually negative results will follow. When we realise that all actions
> have a result, we are more mindful of the results of our actions, thoughts
> and speech. But this isn't easy to do.These negative actions etc are so
> ingrained in our minds that we tend to fall into old patterns almost
> without thinking. We need to be mindful. It's hard.

Well, I suffer from it, sometimes too much. But I've found that time
is best medicine. Eventually it will go away. WE DO HAVE A LOT TO
LEARN FROM BUDDHISM, but some questions linger...

Here you are witnessing an injustice against yourself or others, and
you've been fuming over it (bad karma) and then you spring into action
and voila, THE ANIMAL INSTINCTS are unleashed and a tough fight ensues
and you find yourself a winner --where you go to jail-- or a loser and
you wonder what's the point of violence.

What would a Buddhist Monk do in place of the black sheep who's going
hungry and the holy cows are being fed prime grass? Take a bite or
not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va2ljkC4gPg

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TOPIC: Mind blowing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 12:34 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Jan 6, 10:28 am, default wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2011 06:37:32 -0800 (PST), "His Highness the
> TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

> >You are NOT quoting me there. I happen to agree with you 100% and find
> >space exploration better be left... to God. ;)
>
> I dunno. God likes to tinker and can't leave well enough alone to
> hear the religious tell it. Perhaps he should keep his mitts off the
> cosmos lest he screw that up too.
>
> The irony of going to another planet is that it would require people
> to do what they are loath to do on this one: recycle, husband
> resources, limit population, and get along with one another.

Well, God a lot of stuff in his hands. The number of galaxies* for him
to take care of is just mind blowing. When you look at the size of the
Universe, you go, "Oh my God!" ;)

And the Christians don't know how to manage this speck in the
universe. I think the whole thing will come crashing down soon if they
remain at the helm.

*There are probably more than 170 billion (1.7 × 1011) galaxies in the
observable universe.

-------------------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

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Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 3:19 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 6 2011 11:00 pm
From: Mel Knight

Where online would you get open-source cola ingredients for a good price?

I built a home carbonation system out of a C02 tank, a regulator, and
some hoses & quick connects along with Pep Boys brass tire valves
inserted into bottle caps (with the tire-valve stem removed).

Now I want to make Open Cola as per the recipe and instructions here:
http://www.wikihow.com/Make-OpenCola

Question is, where do I get the ingredients?

I tried Safeway and Nob Hill but neither had them.

Where online would you get the following ingredients for a good price?

Cola Flavoring
* 3.50 mL orange oil
* 1.00 mL lemon oil
* 1.00 mL nutmeg oil
* 1.25 ml cassia (cinnamon) oil
* 0.25 mL coriander oil
* 0.25 mL neroli oil (similar to petitgrain, bergamot, or bitter
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* 2.75 mL lime oil
* 0.25 mL lavender oil
* 10.0 g food-grade, NOT ART-GRADE gum arabic (thickener)
* 3.00 mL water

Cola Concentrate
* 5 mL flavoring
* 17.5 mL 75% citric acid or phosphoric acid
* 2.00 L water
* 2.00 kg granulated white sugar
* 2.5 mL caffeine (2.5 ml is based on 0.5 tsp of a caffeine pill
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* 30.0 mL caramel color

Cola Flavoring
Mix the oils together.
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Place in a sealed glass jar and place in the refrigerator or keep
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When stored, the oils and water will separate. Just mix again
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When used, the gum arabic will keep things together.

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Mix 5 mL of flavoring with the phosphoric or citric acid.
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Pour the acid and flavoring mixture slowly into the water/sugar
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Cola Soda
Mix one part of concentrate with five parts water.
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* Many of the oils needed for flavoring can irritate skin.
They can also dissolve the plastic lining of a refrigerator; store
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* Gum arabic is available in two forms, art grade, and food grade.
Get food grade.
* Phosphoric acid will burn if skin and eyes; flush with water if
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* Lavender oil can cause many dangerous side effects, so you may want
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