Frugal Living: Jan 6, 2009

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Eating fingernails and toenails!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/537609b9e6bc72eb?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 2:19 pm
From: "Daniel T."

On Jan 6, 11:48 am, Dave Garland <dave.garl...@wizinfo.com> wrote:
> Daniel T. wrote:

> > I read a news article once about a scientific study that showed that
> > people who bite their fingernails tend to have stronger immune systems.
>
> Plus, they save by not having to buy nail clippers.
>
> OTOH, that may be a false saving because it's offset by increased
> tooth wear and higher dental bills.

You only have higher dental bills if you go to the dentist.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 7:31 pm
From: Zar

On Jan 6, 2:25 am, Carl Dau <lord_mel...@yahoo.com.ar> wrote:
> Some people do throw them away, but not me, I do eat my fingernails
> and my toenails, they are a very good snack and you don't have to buy
> chips.You can eat fingernails and toenails instead.
>
> What do you think???

So do you cook it first or eat it raw?

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TOPIC: If you want to try Linux.....
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/22630c57a126c940?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 2:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Stray Dog wrote:

> Since there was a good deal of well-meaning discussion recently about Linux, let me make a few suggestions:

This is from the terminal fuckwit thats actually stupid enough to use DOS and
a terminal program for newsgroup access so his system doesnt get 'hacked'

> 1. It's always nice to learn about the bad stuff before you let your
> "dreams" blind you to reality.

The reality is that anyone with a clue can use linux fine. Even fuckwit dinosaurs.

> So, do a google search on the string "linux sucks" and see what the
> authors say and decide if what they say is something you can dismiss
> or think about. Its always fun to do searches on strings "X sucks"
> because you can get to the dirt under the rug before the dirt gets to you.

So stupid that it hasnt even noticed that there are
ALWAYS mindless religious wars about OSs.

> 2. Some more recent distributions of Linux can be totally booted and run all the aps off the CDROM disk (in the
> drive), and some are on DVD disks (you'd better figure out what is what on DVD drives and disks because there are
> different kinds, now, and I can't help you on that).

Or anything else at all, either.

> You have to be able to get into your CMOS BIOS setup and configure the boot sequence for your CDROM (or DVD) drive
> first, then anything else.

Wrong, as always.

> My most recent tests were with Ubuntu ver 8.0 (about two years old or less) on a CDROM disk in the back of an UBUNTU
> book from the local bookstore ($35 out of my pocket).

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

> Yes, it did boot up and I could run it.

It would be a tad more surprising if you couldnt.

> But, my disappointment was with the failure of the OS to find my modem.

Only fools hobble along with dialup modems anymore.

> Those of you with "winmodems" which are pnp technology will be out of luck unless you can find Linux drivers for that
> modem.

Wrong, as always. Plenty of distros, including Ubuntu, handle them auto fine.

> Some computers have the modem built into the motherboard and that migh make them SOL for you.

The vast bulk of laptops do, and any decent distro handles them fine.

> But, you can try to boot up, and see if you can get your printer to
> work and your modem (or whatever else you have for net access). If you have a cable modem and fios cables, it might
> work.

Corse it will work with any decent router etc.

> 3. Sometimes you can do a lot better by buying those big 800-1000 page books at discount bookstores on Linux and if
> they have Linux install disks in a pocket at the end of the book.

Only fools do that, the distros are always well out of date.

> My most recent purchass of Red hat workstations (more expensive than the books) came with incredibly poor and
> misleading "manuals" that were more like comic
> books and I don't see how any newcomer would have any success at all.

Not everyone is actually as stupid as you and there is plenty of stuff online, if you
arent crippling along with dos and a terminal program so you cant get 'hacked'

> 4. My Ubuntu absolutely needed 256 MB of ram or it would not boot up.
> Both of my Win XPs work fine at 128 MB of ram.

There's plenty of linux distros that do fine in 128 MB of ram.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 3:29 pm
From: Stray Dog

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Rod Speed wrote:

> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 09:23:20 +1100
> From: Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Re: If you want to try Linux.....
>
> Stray Dog wrote:
>
>> Since there was a good deal of well-meaning discussion recently about Linux, let me make a few suggestions:
>
> This is from the terminal fuckwit thats actually stupid enough to use DOS and
> a terminal program for newsgroup access so his system doesnt get 'hacked'

I've been doing a pretty good job kicking your ass all over the NGs,
though.

>> 1. It's always nice to learn about the bad stuff before you let your
>> "dreams" blind you to reality.
>
> The reality is that anyone with a clue can use linux fine. Even fuckwit dinosaurs.

If everything is just right, yes.

However, the fact that Linux is only on 1-2% of all home PCs -- as it has
been for many years now -- should be a big clue to goofballs like you that
Linux is not going to "save" mankind from big bad bill.

>> So, do a google search on the string "linux sucks" and see what the
>> authors say and decide if what they say is something you can dismiss
>> or think about. Its always fun to do searches on strings "X sucks"
>> because you can get to the dirt under the rug before the dirt gets to you.
>
> So stupid that it hasnt even noticed that there are
> ALWAYS mindless religious wars about OSs.

Including mindless "religious wars" carried out by yourself.

>> 2. Some more recent distributions of Linux can be totally booted and run all the aps off the CDROM disk (in the
>> drive), and some are on DVD disks (you'd better figure out what is what on DVD drives and disks because there are
>> different kinds, now, and I can't help you on that).
>
> Or anything else at all, either.

Pure ad hominem.

>> You have to be able to get into your CMOS BIOS setup and configure the boot sequence for your CDROM (or DVD) drive
>> first, then anything else.
>
> Wrong, as always.

Incorrect boast from Rod Speed The Troll.

>> My most recent tests were with Ubuntu ver 8.0 (about two years old or less) on a CDROM disk in the back of an UBUNTU
>> book from the local bookstore ($35 out of my pocket).
>
> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
> never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

Some people might like to know.

>> Yes, it did boot up and I could run it.
>
> It would be a tad more surprising if you couldnt.

I've had that experience, too, Mr Buffoon.

>> But, my disappointment was with the failure of the OS to find my modem.
>
> Only fools hobble along with dialup modems anymore.

At least 1/3 of all users in the US can't get anything else. However, I
can easily kick your ass all over the place just as fast as anything you
can do on anything you never tell anyone you're using. You might even be
the biggest liar that ever existed.

>> Those of you with "winmodems" which are pnp technology will be out of luck unless you can find Linux drivers for that
>> modem.
>
> Wrong, as always. Plenty of distros, including Ubuntu, handle them auto fine.

Plenty don't.

>> Some computers have the modem built into the motherboard and that migh make them SOL for you.
>
> The vast bulk of laptops do, and any decent distro handles them fine.

Completely at odds with all the info I've heard.

>> But, you can try to boot up, and see if you can get your printer to
>> work and your modem (or whatever else you have for net access). If you have a cable modem and fios cables, it might
>> work.
>
> Corse it will work with any decent router etc.

Fine if it does. Not eveyone has a router. Etc.

>> 3. Sometimes you can do a lot better by buying those big 800-1000 page books at discount bookstores on Linux and if
>> they have Linux install disks in a pocket at the end of the book.
>
> Only fools do that, the distros are always well out of date.

The basic strategy is to get a decent manual that is more likely to help
you than the 50 page "comic book 'manual'" that come with the pure SW
distro.

>> My most recent purchass of Red hat workstations (more expensive than the books) came with incredibly poor and
>> misleading "manuals" that were more like comic
>> books and I don't see how any newcomer would have any success at all.
>
> Not everyone is actually as stupid as you and there is plenty of stuff online, if you
> arent crippling along with dos and a terminal program so you cant get 'hacked'

Actually, there are a lot of people who actually ask questions before the
jump into an unknown. I know that must be a new idea for you, but I'll
invite you to go skydiving and not check your parachute before you go.

>> 4. My Ubuntu absolutely needed 256 MB of ram or it would not boot up.
>> Both of my Win XPs work fine at 128 MB of ram.
>
> There's plenty of linux distros that do fine in 128 MB of ram.

My first distro, Red Hat 5.2, did fine with 16 MB.

And, now, for everyone else's benefit......

Here is the Rod Speed FAQ.......(I didn't write it)

The "Rod Speed FAQ" read it below or at the URL for yourself.....
- - - - - - - - -
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.internet.wireless/2006-07/ms
g00462.html
- - - - - - - - - -

After its recent emergence in the thread "How to calculate increase
of home wireless router range?", readers of this group may find
this useful. [based on a post in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage]

Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod
Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered
he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the
big, hard man" on the InterNet.

Rod is believed to be from Australia.

Rod certainly posts a lot. Why is that?

It relates back to the point about boosting his own self esteem by
what amounts to effectively having a wank in public. Rod's
personality, as exemplified by his posts, means he is practically
unemployable which means he sits around at home all day festering
away and getting worse and worse. This means he posts more and
more try and boost the old failing self esteem. Being unemployed
also means he as a lot of time on his hands to post in he first
place.

But maybe Rod really is a very clever and knowledgable person?

Clever? His posts wouldn't support that theory. As far as being
knowledgable, well, Rod has posted to various aus newsgroups
including invest, comms, and politics. He has posted to all as a
self professed "expert" and flames any and all who disagree with
him. Logically, here's no way any single individual could be
more than a jack of all trades across such a wide spread of
subject matter.

But maybe Rod really is an expert in some areas?

Possibly. However, his "bedside manner" prevents him from being
taken seriously by most normal people. Also, he has damaged his
credibility in areas where he might know what he's on about by
shooting his self in the foot in areas where he does not. For
example, in the case of subject matter such as politics, even a
view held by Albert Einstein cannot be little more than an
opinion and to vociferously denigrate an opposing opinion is
simply small mindedness and bigotry, the kind of which Einstein
himself fought against his whole life.

What is Rod Speed's main modus operandi?

Simple! He shoots off a half brained opinion in response to any
other post and touts that opinion as fact. When challenged, he
responds with vociferous and rabid denigration. He has an
instantly recognisable set of schoolboy put downs limited pretty
much to the following: "Pathetic, Puerile, Little Boy, try
harder, trivial, more lies, gutless wonder, wanker, etc etc".
The fact that Rod has been unable to come up with any new insults
says a lot about his outlook and intelligence.

But why do so many people respond to Rod in turn?

It has to do with effrontery and a lack of logic. Most people
who post have some basis of reason for what they write and when
Rod retorts with his usual denigration and derision they respond
emotionally rather than logically. It's like a teacher in a
class room who has a misbehaving pupil. The teacher challenges
the pupil to explain himself and the student responds with "***
off, Big Nose!" Even thought the teacher has a fairly normal
proboscis, he gets a dent in his self-esteem and might resort to
an emotional repsonse like "yeah? well your *** wouldn't fill a
pop rivet, punk", which merely invites some oneupmanship from the
naughty pupil. Of course, the teacher should not have justified
the initial comment with a response, especially in front of the
class. The correct response was "please report to the
headmaster's office right NOW!"

What is a "RodBot"?

Some respondents in aus.invest built a "virtual Rod" which was
indiscernable from the "real" Rod. Net users could enter an
opinion or even a fact and the RoDBot would tell them they were
pathetic lying schoolboys who should be able to do better or some
equally pithy Rod Speedism.

Are you saying that Rod Speed is a Troll?

You got it!

What is the best way to handle Rod Speed?

KillFile!

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 5:48 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Stray Dog wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Stray Dog wrote

>>> Since there was a good deal of well-meaning discussion recently about Linux, let me make a few suggestions:

>> This is from the terminal fuckwit thats actually stupid enough to use DOS and a terminal program for newsgroup access
>> so his system doesnt get 'hacked'

> I've been doing a pretty good job kicking your ass all over the NGs, though.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

You've got done like a fucking dinner, time after time after time.

In this thread in spades. EVERYONE has done you like a fucking dinner.

>>> 1. It's always nice to learn about the bad stuff before you let your "dreams" blind you to reality.

>> The reality is that anyone with a clue can use linux fine. Even fuckwit dinosaurs.

> If everything is just right, yes.

Doesnt have to be anything like just right. Just like it doesnt with any other OS either.

> However, the fact that Linux is only on 1-2% of all home PCs -- as it has been for many years now

Completely and utterly irrelevant to whether even fuckwith dinosaur like you can use it
if someone was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.

>>> So, do a google search on the string "linux sucks" and see what the authors say and decide if what they say is
>>> something you can dismiss or think about. Its always fun to do searches on strings "X sucks" because you can get to
>>> the dirt under the rug before the dirt gets to you.

>> So stupid that it hasnt even noticed that there are
>> ALWAYS mindless religious wars about OSs.

And that if anyone was stupid enough to go that route, they'd never use a single OS ever.

>>> 2. Some more recent distributions of Linux can be totally booted and run all the aps off the CDROM disk (in the
>>> drive), and some are on DVD disks (you'd better figure out what is what on DVD drives and disks because there are
>>> different kinds, now, and I can't help you on that).

>> Or anything else at all, either.

>>> You have to be able to get into your CMOS BIOS setup and configure the boot sequence for your CDROM (or DVD) drive
>>> first, then anything else.

>> Wrong, as always.

> Incorrect

Plenty of systems dont require anything like that. At most
you just select what to boot from on the initial boot screen.

Plenty will boot from any bootable CD without doing
anything but put the CD in the drive too and rebooting too.

>>> My most recent tests were with Ubuntu ver 8.0 (about two years old or less) on a CDROM disk in the back of an UBUNTU
>>> book from the local bookstore ($35 out of my pocket).

>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
>> never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

> Some people might like to know.

Everyone already does.

>>> Yes, it did boot up and I could run it.

>> It would be a tad more surprising if you couldnt.

> I've had that experience, too,

Fuck all do with those CDs included with a book like that.

>>> But, my disappointment was with the failure of the OS to find my modem.

>> Only fools hobble along with dialup modems anymore.

> At least 1/3 of all users in the US can't get anything else.

Bare faced pig ignorant lie.

>>> Those of you with "winmodems" which are pnp technology will be out of luck unless you can find Linux drivers for
>>> that modem.

>> Wrong, as always. Plenty of distros, including Ubuntu, handle them auto fine.

> Plenty don't.

Wrong, as always with current distros.

>>> Some computers have the modem built into the motherboard and that migh make them SOL for you.

>> The vast bulk of laptops do, and any decent distro handles them fine.

> Completely at odds with all the info I've heard.

Thats because you're so stupid you rely on the sort of mindless obsolete
shit you get from the sort of google search you stupidly listed above.

>>> But, you can try to boot up, and see if you can get your printer to
>>> work and your modem (or whatever else you have for net access). If you have a cable modem and fios cables, it might
>>> work.

>> Corse it will work with any decent router etc.

> Fine if it does. Not eveyone has a router. Etc.

Anyone who needs one can get one.

>>> 3. Sometimes you can do a lot better by buying those big 800-1000
>>> page books at discount bookstores on Linux and if they have Linux
>>> install disks in a pocket at the end of the book.

>> Only fools do that, the distros are always well out of date.

> The basic strategy is to get a decent manual that is more likely to help you than the 50 page "comic book 'manual'"
> that come with the pure SW distro.

Anyone thats so stupid that it needs that sort of manual has enough of a clue
to get the book and download the latest distro, or get real radical and have it
delivered for free it they are stupidly crippling along on a dialup modem etc.

>>> My most recent purchass of Red hat workstations (more expensive
>>> than the books) came with incredibly poor and misleading "manuals"
>>> that were more like comic books and I don't see how any newcomer would have any success at all.

>> Not everyone is actually as stupid as you and there is plenty of stuff online, if you arent crippling along with dos
>> and a terminal program so you cant get 'hacked'

> Actually, there are a lot of people who actually ask questions before the jump into an unknown.

No reason why you cant do that online too.

>>> 4. My Ubuntu absolutely needed 256 MB of ram or it would not boot up. Both of my Win XPs work fine at 128 MB of ram.

>> There's plenty of linux distros that do fine in 128 MB of ram.

> My first distro, Red Hat 5.2, did fine with 16 MB.

So what the fuck were you mindlessly rabbitting on about just above ?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 6:28 pm
From: Stray Dog

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Rod Speed wrote:

> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 12:48:28 +1100
> From: Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Re: If you want to try Linux.....
>
> Stray Dog wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Stray Dog wrote
>
> <reams of your puerile attempts at insults any 2 year old could leave for dead flushed where it belongs>

Best for you....

The "Rod Speed FAQ" read it below or at the URL for yourself.....
- - - - - - - - -
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.internet.wireless/2006-07/ms
g00462.html
- - - - - - - - - -

After its recent emergence in the thread "How to calculate increase
of home wireless router range?", readers of this group may find
this useful. [based on a post in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage]

Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod is believed to be from Australia.

Rod certainly posts a lot. Why is that?

But maybe Rod really is a very clever and knowledgable person?

But maybe Rod really is an expert in some areas?

What is Rod Speed's main modus operandi?

But why do so many people respond to Rod in turn?

What is a "RodBot"?

Are you saying that Rod Speed is a Troll?

You got it!

What is the best way to handle Rod Speed?

KillFile!

>>>> Since there was a good deal of well-meaning discussion recently about Linux, let me make a few suggestions:
>
>>> This is from the terminal fuckwit thats actually stupid enough to use DOS and a terminal program for newsgroup access
>>> so his system doesnt get 'hacked'
>
>> I've been doing a pretty good job kicking your ass all over the NGs, though.
>
> Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys.

The "Rod Speed FAQ" read it below or at the URL for yourself.....
- - - - - - - - -
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.internet.wireless/2006-07/ms
g00462.html
- - - - - - - - - -

After its recent emergence in the thread "How to calculate increase
of home wireless router range?", readers of this group may find
this useful. [based on a post in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage]

Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod is believed to be from Australia.

Rod certainly posts a lot. Why is that?

But maybe Rod really is a very clever and knowledgable person?

But maybe Rod really is an expert in some areas?

What is Rod Speed's main modus operandi?

But why do so many people respond to Rod in turn?

What is a "RodBot"?

Are you saying that Rod Speed is a Troll?

You got it!

What is the best way to handle Rod Speed?

KillFile!

> You've got done like a fucking dinner, time after time after time.
>
> In this thread in spades. EVERYONE has done you like a fucking dinner.

The "Rod Speed FAQ" read it below or at the URL for yourself.....
- - - - - - - - -
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.internet.wireless/2006-07/ms
g00462.html
- - - - - - - - - -

After its recent emergence in the thread "How to calculate increase
of home wireless router range?", readers of this group may find
this useful. [based on a post in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage]

Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod is believed to be from Australia.

Rod certainly posts a lot. Why is that?

But maybe Rod really is a very clever and knowledgable person?

But maybe Rod really is an expert in some areas?

What is Rod Speed's main modus operandi?

But why do so many people respond to Rod in turn?

What is a "RodBot"?

Are you saying that Rod Speed is a Troll?

You got it!

What is the best way to handle Rod Speed?

KillFile!

>>>> 1. It's always nice to learn about the bad stuff before you let your "dreams" blind you to reality.
>
>>> The reality is that anyone with a clue can use linux fine. Even fuckwit dinosaurs.
>
>> If everything is just right, yes.
>
> Doesnt have to be anything like just right. Just like it doesnt with any other OS either.
>
>> However, the fact that Linux is only on 1-2% of all home PCs -- as it has been for many years now
>
> Completely and utterly irrelevant to whether even fuckwith dinosaur like you can use it
> if someone was actually stupid enough to lend you a seeing eye dog and a white cane.
>
>>>> So, do a google search on the string "linux sucks" and see what the authors say and decide if what they say is
>>>> something you can dismiss or think about. Its always fun to do searches on strings "X sucks" because you can get to
>>>> the dirt under the rug before the dirt gets to you.
>
>>> So stupid that it hasnt even noticed that there are
>>> ALWAYS mindless religious wars about OSs.
>
> And that if anyone was stupid enough to go that route, they'd never use a single OS ever.
>
>>>> 2. Some more recent distributions of Linux can be totally booted and run all the aps off the CDROM disk (in the
>>>> drive), and some are on DVD disks (you'd better figure out what is what on DVD drives and disks because there are
>>>> different kinds, now, and I can't help you on that).
>
>>> Or anything else at all, either.
>
>>>> You have to be able to get into your CMOS BIOS setup and configure the boot sequence for your CDROM (or DVD) drive
>>>> first, then anything else.
>
>>> Wrong, as always.
>
>> Incorrect
>
> Plenty of systems dont require anything like that. At most
> you just select what to boot from on the initial boot screen.
>
> Plenty will boot from any bootable CD without doing
> anything but put the CD in the drive too and rebooting too.
>
>>>> My most recent tests were with Ubuntu ver 8.0 (about two years old or less) on a CDROM disk in the back of an UBUNTU
>>>> book from the local bookstore ($35 out of my pocket).
>
>>> Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
>>> never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.
>
>> Some people might like to know.
>
> Everyone already does.
>
>>>> Yes, it did boot up and I could run it.
>
>>> It would be a tad more surprising if you couldnt.
>
>> I've had that experience, too,
>
> Fuck all do with those CDs included with a book like that.
>
>>>> But, my disappointment was with the failure of the OS to find my modem.
>
>>> Only fools hobble along with dialup modems anymore.
>
>> At least 1/3 of all users in the US can't get anything else.
>
> Bare faced pig ignorant lie.
>
>>>> Those of you with "winmodems" which are pnp technology will be out of luck unless you can find Linux drivers for
>>>> that modem.
>
>>> Wrong, as always. Plenty of distros, including Ubuntu, handle them auto fine.
>
>> Plenty don't.
>
> Wrong, as always with current distros.
>
>>>> Some computers have the modem built into the motherboard and that migh make them SOL for you.
>
>>> The vast bulk of laptops do, and any decent distro handles them fine.
>
>> Completely at odds with all the info I've heard.
>
> Thats because you're so stupid you rely on the sort of mindless obsolete
> shit you get from the sort of google search you stupidly listed above.
>
>>>> But, you can try to boot up, and see if you can get your printer to
>>>> work and your modem (or whatever else you have for net access). If you have a cable modem and fios cables, it might
>>>> work.
>
>>> Corse it will work with any decent router etc.
>
>> Fine if it does. Not eveyone has a router. Etc.
>
> Anyone who needs one can get one.
>
>>>> 3. Sometimes you can do a lot better by buying those big 800-1000
>>>> page books at discount bookstores on Linux and if they have Linux
>>>> install disks in a pocket at the end of the book.
>
>>> Only fools do that, the distros are always well out of date.
>
>> The basic strategy is to get a decent manual that is more likely to help you than the 50 page "comic book 'manual'"
>> that come with the pure SW distro.
>
> Anyone thats so stupid that it needs that sort of manual has enough of a clue
> to get the book and download the latest distro, or get real radical and have it
> delivered for free it they are stupidly crippling along on a dialup modem etc.
>
>>>> My most recent purchass of Red hat workstations (more expensive
>>>> than the books) came with incredibly poor and misleading "manuals"
>>>> that were more like comic books and I don't see how any newcomer would have any success at all.
>
>>> Not everyone is actually as stupid as you and there is plenty of stuff online, if you arent crippling along with dos
>>> and a terminal program so you cant get 'hacked'
>
>> Actually, there are a lot of people who actually ask questions before the jump into an unknown.
>
> No reason why you cant do that online too.
>
>>>> 4. My Ubuntu absolutely needed 256 MB of ram or it would not boot up. Both of my Win XPs work fine at 128 MB of ram.
>
>>> There's plenty of linux distros that do fine in 128 MB of ram.
>
>> My first distro, Red Hat 5.2, did fine with 16 MB.
>
> So what the fuck were you mindlessly rabbitting on about just above ?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 10:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some gutless fuckwit psychopath with pathetic psychotic
delusions about being a dog, desperately cowering behind
Stray Dog desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out
of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

No surprise that it got the bums rush, right out the door, onto its lard arse.

No surprise that its so pathetically bitter and twisted about it.

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TOPIC: Politicians are whores
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 4:49 pm
From: hpope@lycos.com

On Jan 6, 10:48 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 6, 11:36 am, alohacyberian <alohacyber...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > The problem with America today is that Americans think that
> > politicians have the capacity to solve problems. This is simply
> > nonsense.
>
> > First of all, most politicians lead wealthy lives and are not in touch
> > with their constituents. In fact, I have often heard politicians call
> > their constituents customers. Interesting.
>
> > The constituents, on the other hand, consider their representatives
> > VIPs, when actually they are public servants. We are the VIPs.
>
> > This is why democracy can never work. The constituents never hold
> > their servants to task so the servants sell their services to
> > lobbyists. It's beyond stupid.
>
> > Let's say that the salary of any representative in the federal
> > government cannot exceed the income of it's lowest working
> > constituent..that would change things.
>
> > Alas, Americans are enamured by status and therefore are willing to
> > faunt over the position of a servant.
>
> > Democracy will never work until the status is removed from public
> > servants and lobbyists are removed from the lobby.
>
> > I suggest that all laws be put to public scrutiny. In this day and
> > age of the internet, it would not be difficult to submit all issues to
> > public voting. Screw congress.
>
> Yes, Politicians are whores. So are judges. So are Pastors and
> Priests. So are lawyers. So are professional scientists. So are
> many doctors -- psychiatrists, for example. So are many engineers --
> Bill Gates, for example. So are ALL stock brokers. So are most
> bankers. They are all whores. We have a whore based econony, run by
> whores, for whores.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

America needs a new beginning, a total rebuild is required.

mitch

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 4:54 pm
From: "M'Balz Es-Hari"

On Jan 6, 6:49 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> On Jan 6, 10:48 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 11:36 am, alohacyberian <alohacyber...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > The problem with America today is that Americans think that
> > > politicians have the capacity to solve problems. This is simply
> > > nonsense.
>
> > > First of all, most politicians lead wealthy lives and are not in touch
> > > with their constituents. In fact, I have often heard politicians call
> > > their constituents customers. Interesting.
>
> > > The constituents, on the other hand, consider their representatives
> > > VIPs, when actually they are public servants. We are the VIPs.
>
> > > This is why democracy can never work. The constituents never hold
> > > their servants to task so the servants sell their services to
> > > lobbyists. It's beyond stupid.
>
> > > Let's say that the salary of any representative in the federal
> > > government cannot exceed the income of it's lowest working
> > > constituent..that would change things.
>
> > > Alas, Americans are enamured by status and therefore are willing to
> > > faunt over the position of a servant.
>
> > > Democracy will never work until the status is removed from public
> > > servants and lobbyists are removed from the lobby.
>
> > > I suggest that all laws be put to public scrutiny. In this day and
> > > age of the internet, it would not be difficult to submit all issues to
> > > public voting. Screw congress.
>
> > Yes, Politicians are whores. So are judges. So are Pastors and
> > Priests. So are lawyers. So are professional scientists. So are
> > many doctors -- psychiatrists, for example. So are many engineers --
> > Bill Gates, for example. So are ALL stock brokers. So are most
> > bankers. They are all whores. We have a whore based econony, run by
> > whores, for whores.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> America needs a new beginning, a total rebuild is required.
>
> mitch

This just in, the sky is blue & water is wet.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 7:12 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 6, 6:49 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> On Jan 6, 10:48 am, Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 11:36 am, alohacyberian <alohacyber...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > The problem with America today is that Americans think that
> > > politicians have the capacity to solve problems. This is simply
> > > nonsense.
>
> > > First of all, most politicians lead wealthy lives and are not in touch
> > > with their constituents. In fact, I have often heard politicians call
> > > their constituents customers. Interesting.
>
> > > The constituents, on the other hand, consider their representatives
> > > VIPs, when actually they are public servants. We are the VIPs.
>
> > > This is why democracy can never work. The constituents never hold
> > > their servants to task so the servants sell their services to
> > > lobbyists. It's beyond stupid.
>
> > > Let's say that the salary of any representative in the federal
> > > government cannot exceed the income of it's lowest working
> > > constituent..that would change things.
>
> > > Alas, Americans are enamured by status and therefore are willing to
> > > faunt over the position of a servant.
>
> > > Democracy will never work until the status is removed from public
> > > servants and lobbyists are removed from the lobby.
>
> > > I suggest that all laws be put to public scrutiny. In this day and
> > > age of the internet, it would not be difficult to submit all issues to
> > > public voting. Screw congress.
>
> > Yes, Politicians are whores. So are judges. So are Pastors and
> > Priests. So are lawyers. So are professional scientists. So are
> > many doctors -- psychiatrists, for example. So are many engineers --
> > Bill Gates, for example. So are ALL stock brokers. So are most
> > bankers. They are all whores. We have a whore based econony, run by
> > whores, for whores.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> America needs a new beginning, a total rebuild is required.
>
> mitch- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course they are.

The one named Bush is a particularly expensive one.

TMT

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TOPIC: Free email
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 5:31 pm
From: artsy6@gmail.com

On Dec 16 2008, 3:46 am, Shaun Eli <missingch...@BrainChampagne.com>
wrote:
> Yahoo email does, but intermittently they seem to have problems. When
> I've needed to search through old emails and it doesn't work I've
> filled out their on-line help form and a few hours later it starts to
> work again.
>
> If there are messages you may need to find from time to time you could
> flag them for follow-up and then view only the flagged messages.
>
> Shaun Eliwww.BrainChampagne.com
> Brain Champagne: Clever Comedy for Smart Minds (sm)
> home of "Business School... in About an Hour?"

Concerning the ON-LINE HELP FORM you mentioned, where can I find that?

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TOPIC: Robert Rubin <-------- Another Jew Working To Turn California Over To
Mexicans
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 5:57 pm
From: Stephan Rothstein

I missed this. If someone or some group is working to return California
to the Mexicans, I want to help. How do we contact them to give it back?

Last I had heard, Mexico offered to give us more land if we kept California.

Steve Rothstein

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TOPIC: getting video from computer to projector
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 5:58 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <gjvk1q$12g7$1@news.ett.com.ua>, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
> I recently bought an Optoma digital projector, and am running into
>some issues getting the video out from my computer to my projector.

> My computer's motherboard, an Asus M3A-H HDMI, has both standard VGA
>out and HDMI out on the motherboard. Presently, I'm using the VGA out
>for my 5 month old CRT monitor.
[ ... ]

Briefly, get an adapter to plug onto your HDMI port that converts to
VGA, and plug your projector into it--assuming both outputs are active
at the same time.

Next best would be someone elses' suggestion about buying a second
video adapter--or finding someone who has an older one that they don't
want any more--and installing it for a dual-head configuration.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

"Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man"
General of the Army (four stars) Ann Dunwoody

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 6:16 pm
From: "Tomes"

<s2000hondas2000@gmail.com> ...
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:
>
> Only fools/dinosaurs use checks anymore.

DOT only takes checks, no cash, no cc. Stick to things you know, like
welfare.
========================
New Jersey MVC [the NJ version of the DOT] takes credit cards.
Tomes

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 10:03 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

s2000hondas2000@gmail.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>> Only fools/dinosaurs use checks anymore.

> DOT only takes checks, no cash, no cc.

Only fools/dinosaurs let them get away with that.

You elected those who 'run' operations like that, fuckwit.

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TOPIC: Abundance !
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 6:29 pm
From: Stray Dog

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009, Rod Speed wrote:

> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:29:35 +1100
> From: Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
> Newsgroups: misc.consumers.frugal-living
> Subject: Re: Abundance !
>
> Some gutless fuckwit psychopath with pathetic psychotic
> delusions about being a dog, desperately cowering behind
> Stray Dog desperately attempted to bullshit and lie its way out
> of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.
>
> No surprise that it got the bums rush, right out the door, onto its lard arse.
>
> No surprise that its so pathetically bitter and twisted about it.
>
>
>

The "Rod Speed FAQ" read it below or at the URL for yourself.....
- - - - - - - - -
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Alt/alt.internet.wireless/2006-07/ms
g00462.html
- - - - - - - - - -

After its recent emergence in the thread "How to calculate increase
of home wireless router range?", readers of this group may find
this useful. [based on a post in comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage]

Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod is believed to be from Australia.

Rod certainly posts a lot. Why is that?

But maybe Rod really is a very clever and knowledgable person?

But maybe Rod really is an expert in some areas?

What is Rod Speed's main modus operandi?

But why do so many people respond to Rod in turn?

What is a "RodBot"?

Are you saying that Rod Speed is a Troll?

You got it!

What is the best way to handle Rod Speed?

KillFile!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 10:05 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

No surprise that it got the bums rush, right out the door, onto its lard arse.

No surprise that its so pathetically bitter and twisted about it.

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TOPIC: Where do you get your best buys in cat food?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 7:19 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 6, 3:13 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 6, 3:31 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 4:20 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Is it K Mart, Wal Mart, Target or big box pet stores? Now that gas
> > > is reasonalbe it may be worth it for me to drive to one of the stores
> > > to buy cat food.
>
> > > I used to get the 7 lb. Purina One but it seems expensive lately.
>
> > Mice? ;<)
>
> > In all seriousness, good food is cheaper in the long run as other
> > posters are noting.
>
> > Buying it in bulk also helps.
>
> > How many cats are we talking about?
>
> > TMT
>
> We just have one pussy. BTW I went to the feed store to buy some hay
> and rabbit food.. They had a close out on their economy cat food. So
> I bought a 40 pound bag for $10. It was 1/2 price and so cheap I
> couldn't resist. I could use the $10 saved to give her 20 pounds of
> chicken legs.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sounds like a lucky cat. ;<)

If you have any farm stores that serve the agriculture sector, they
will sell in bulk and at decent prices.

Farms have working cats and those cats need to be fed.

The farmers make sure the furry hired hands get fed.

TMT

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 7:54 pm
From: "cshenk"

"James" wrote:

> Just have one pussy. BTW I went to the feed store to buy some hay
> and rabbit food.. They had a close out on their economy cat food. So
> I bought a 40 pound bag for $10. It was 1/2 price and so cheap I
> couldn't resist. I could use the $10 saved to give her 20 pounds of
> chicken legs.

That works. Now all you need is a good storage container to keep the bugs
and mice out of it. I assume a farm since you were buying hay.

That 40# bag is probably totally USA generated and decent quality with none
of the problems the overseas stuff has had. At the most, you may have a bit
more corn filler than desired. At the worst, they may have not added
taurine and you can adjust that well enough with a 5 lb bag added and mixed
in, of a commercial sort or better yet, 2-3 TB wet sorts like purina etc a
day.

I fix a fair amount of my pet's foods up but we know just enough to use some
of the canned or dry products in addition in sane amounts.

Mostly, I make them a special noshe for lunch with home made broth (salt
free) with a little bit of meat added. Daisy-cat is still a little over
optimal weight but not badly.
Cash-pup is just right. They get a small breakfast, a nooner small munchie,
and 'dinner'. Breakfast is store stuff, nooner is home made, and dinner is
a mix.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 7:50 pm
From: The Real Bev

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

> On Jan 6, 3:13 pm, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> We just have one pussy. BTW I went to the feed store to buy some hay
>> and rabbit food.. They had a close out on their economy cat food. So
>> I bought a 40 pound bag for $10. It was 1/2 price and so cheap I
>> couldn't resist. I could use the $10 saved to give her 20 pounds of
>> chicken legs.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Sounds like a lucky cat. ;<)
>
> If you have any farm stores that serve the agriculture sector, they
> will sell in bulk and at decent prices.
>
> Farms have working cats and those cats need to be fed.

Presumably the work they do is ridding the farm of rodents. So why do they need
extra food? Oh, wait, I know why. Holidays and personal days. The UFWA --
United Feline Workers of America. Never mind.

> The farmers make sure the furry hired hands get fed.

Claws can give the term 'strike' a whole new meaning...

--
Cheers,
Bev
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"There's an apocryphal (I hope not !) story about a Bristol bike
thief found cold, wet and bedraggled one morning, D locked by the
neck to a local bridge." -- Anon

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 8:39 pm
From: Dave Garland

cshenk wrote:
> That 40# bag is probably totally USA generated and decent quality with none
> of the problems the overseas stuff has had.

I'm not sure one can assume that. The melamine problem in 2007, a lot
of USA brands were affected. It's a global market, and manufacturers
order ingredients from wherever the deal is best.

I lost 3 cats that year. I mostly fed them brands that weren't on the
lists of affected catfood (which included even premium brands like
Eukanuba and Science Diet), but one wonders.

Dave

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 7:52 pm
From: Zar

On Jan 6, 7:44 am, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
> ClothesOut wrote:
>
> >This three-day auction ends January 7th.
>
> You're assuming eBay doesn't shut down your site for spamming newsgroups.

I agree...spamming is a no no.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 8:12 pm
From: Zar

On Jan 6, 7:04 pm, Zee <zza...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20 2008, 3:17 pm, "NotMe" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "NancyR" <nan...@nospam.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:gif0fb$s0q$1@news.motzarella.org...:"Zee" <zza...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:a9cb322d-b920-47e0-95fd->
>
> > :
> > : "Hi Nancy, are you dialing the 1-800-3159339? I had the same problem a
> > : while back on pinless dialing using that 800 number. Try the other 800
> > : number 1-800-3165123. If you are using a local access number then try
> > : anotherOnesuitelocal access number. Hope this helps."
> > :
> > : Zee,
> > : Thanks so much for responding. The second number works fine. It's too
> > bad
> > : thatOnesuitecouldn't suggest this.
> > :
> > Onesuit support is off shore and aside from having comprehension problems is
> > not technically trained much less qualified. Hint they read from a scrip
> > and if it 'ain't scripted" they can't tell you.
>
> Most customer support are overseas now. Many big names in
> communication/cable/internet have their customer
> support off shore because of one thing, less cost for them andOnesuiteis no different I guess. BTW, I got
> the second 800 number from their customer service.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I also uses Onesuite services and whenever I need to know something I
just call their support number, I don't email because emails will take
awhile to get answered in general.

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TOPIC: The Many Uses of Baking Soda
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 8:36 pm
From: Zar

On Dec 24 2008, 5:46 am, MSfort...@mcpmail.com wrote:
> On Dec 23, 3:32 am, meow2...@care2.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ablang wrote:
> > > The Many Uses of Baking Soda
>
> > > Baking soda is one of the most versatile cleaning agents on earth. It
> > > is highly absorbent making it an excellent deodorizer. Best of all,
> > > it's non-toxic. As a matter of fact, if the thought of your next
> > > cleaning project gives you indigestion, half a teaspoon of baking soda
> > > stirred into a glass of water works as well as some over-the-counter
> > > drugs sold strictly for that purpose. Check with your doctor before
> > > using this remedy.
>
> > Whatever for? Cant people do anything for thmselves now?
>
> > Yes, you can do lots of things with soda, most of which it does badly.
> > Incuding acting as an indigestion remedy, other products are more
> > effective and not packed with sodium.
>
> > NT
>
> He has not had an original thought in years. When he comes across
> something he thinks is interesting, the world will know about it by
> way of his pasting. Usually, the world already knows as he was the
> last human being to figure it out.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

This should be titled the many misconceptions about baking soda.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 10:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

No surprise that it got the bums rush, right out the door, onto its lard arse.

No surprise that its so pathetically bitter and twisted about it.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Jan 6 2009 10:07 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

No surprise that it got the bums rush, right out the door, onto its lard arse.

No surprise that its so pathetically bitter and twisted about it.

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