Frugal Living: Aug 28, 2008

Thursday, August 28, 2008

25 new messages in 20 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Are higher prices making you fat?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/88c508bcfae8806b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 1:02 pm
From: "JonquilJan"

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6hoddbFn91kcU1@mid.individual.net...
> James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you tend to turn to less-healthy food as healthy food costs go up?.
>
> Nope. There is always plenty of healthy cheap food.
>
> > I don't buy fruits any more except during sales.
>
> I hardly ever buy anything that isnt from a sale.
>
>

Same here. I shop the items on sale every week. Good source also the day
old bread racks (if you're going to use it within a few days) and the
surplus veggie/fruit rack (also if you're going to use it within a few
days). And coupons. Really use them when item is on sale and I can stock
up.

The small garden helps as well - especially for greens.

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 1:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

JonquilJan <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> Do you tend to turn to less-healthy food as healthy food costs go up?.

>> Nope. There is always plenty of healthy cheap food.

>>> I don't buy fruits any more except during sales.

>> I hardly ever buy anything that isnt from a sale.

> Same here. I shop the items on sale every week.

Yeah, me too.

> Good source also the day old bread racks (if you're going to use it within a few days)

I dont eat commercial bread, do my own with a bread machine and save heaps that way.

Healthier bread too.

I also make my own beer and that saves heaps.

> and the surplus veggie/fruit rack (also if you're going to use it within a few days).

Yeah, I buy that stuff as long as it looks fine.

> And coupons. Really use them when item is on sale and I can stock up.

We dont have that many coupons, I do use them when they are good value.

> The small garden helps as well - especially for greens.

I dont bother with that.

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TOPIC: Defense: Woman too obese to kill nephew
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7a462b958e5ce1ed?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 4:47 pm
From: "D&SW"

She is able to get a Hardee's triple beef Angus burger with cheese up to her
mouth.

"NA" <na@na.com> wrote in message
news:na-78C182.19540127082008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <Xns9B079CEA5F486lkajehoriuasldfjknak@207.115.17.102>,
> Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
>
>> larry@nowhere.net (Larry) wrote in
>> news:20080827183121.8A7094E5B3@outpost.zedz.net:
>>
>> > EDINBURG, Texas (AP) -- A nearly half-ton Texas woman charged in the
>> > death of her toddler nephew couldn't have beaten the boy to death
>> > because of her limited movement from weight problems, her attorney
>> > said Tuesday.
>>
>> What if the kid came within arms length?
>
> Imagine how fat her arms are. She most have almost zero mobility in her
> arms.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 10:24 pm
From: Magda

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:47:45 GMT, in alt.gossip.celebrities, "D&SW" <d&sw@verizon.net>
arranged some electrons, so they looked like this:

... She is able to get a Hardee's triple beef Angus burger with cheese up to her
... mouth.

No kidding. It takes some serious eating to get to 500 Kg...

Who is paying for all that food? If it was me she would never get to 100 Kg, let alone
500.

... "NA" <na@na.com> wrote in message
... news:na-78C182.19540127082008@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
... > In article <Xns9B079CEA5F486lkajehoriuasldfjknak@207.115.17.102>,
... > Bluuuue Rajah <Bluuuuue@Rajah.> wrote:
... >
... >> larry@nowhere.net (Larry) wrote in
... >> news:20080827183121.8A7094E5B3@outpost.zedz.net:
... >>
... >> > EDINBURG, Texas (AP) -- A nearly half-ton Texas woman charged in the
... >> > death of her toddler nephew couldn't have beaten the boy to death
... >> > because of her limited movement from weight problems, her attorney
... >> > said Tuesday.
... >>
... >> What if the kid came within arms length?
... >
... > Imagine how fat her arms are. She most have almost zero mobility in her
... > arms.
...
...
...
... ---
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... Virus Database (VPS): 080828-0, 28/08/2008
... Tested on: 29/08/2008 07:09:46
... avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software.
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== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 10:58 pm
From: "Robin King"

"Magda" <pikrodafni@death_to_spammers_noos.fr.invalid> wrote in
message news:mr1fb4ld856p0u2vhd8jfjg794dbps6bl3@4ax.com...
> No kidding. It takes some serious eating to get to 500 Kg...
>
> Who is paying for all that food? If it was me she would never get to
100 Kg, let alone
> 500.

And if you were her, you wouldn't be able to get below 100
Kgs.

I would lay odds that she has some serious water retention
problems, too. Gee, I wonder who paid for all that water?

Robin

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TOPIC: Experience with flushable wipes in a septic system? Any problems?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/17e37d629582215a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 4:55 pm
From: "Eric G."

HiC <brassplyer@yahoo.com> wrote in news:2bb906da-4b08-4add-8082-
d4c728addb1f@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

> I see there are these baby-wipes that are labeled as flushable. These
> in particular are Wal-Mart "Equate" brand. Supposedly safe for septic
> systems. They're supposed to break down like toilet paper.
>
> Out of curiosity, I set one in a container of water. After several
> days, it seemed to me to be still quite intact, plenty of strength,
> whereas I've observed that toilet paper will disintegrate within
> minutes, if not instantly.
>
> Is this not a valid test? Will the "soup" in a septic tank will
> degrade these wipes more aggresively than plain tapwater?
>
> Anyone had any problems with these?
>

As was already mentioned, a product labeled "flushable" is much different
from one labeled "septic safe". Unless you like wasting your time and
money.

Eric

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TOPIC: Questions About Stand Alone DSL
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a4655242e06b438e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 5:03 pm
From: krw

In article <6hmionFmu81kU1@mid.individual.net>,
rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com says...
> Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
> krw <krw@att.biz> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out
> of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

Mark that as another admission of a lost argument for lil' Ronnie
Reaugh; now sitting in a corner with fingers in ears, humming
loudly.

--
Keith

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 5:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Some gutless fuckwit desperately cowering behind
krw <krw@att.biz> desperately attempted to bullshit its way out
of its predicament and fooled absolutely no one at all, as always.

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TOPIC: I shrunk my new coat
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f264782800d1a8ee?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 5:09 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 28, 7:57 am, nand...@gmail.com wrote:
> Oh my,I shrunk my new coat. I used washine mashine with cold
> water....!
> how to solve this problem at home? Can i wash it again with hot water?
> or ...
> any suggestion?

Rather weak troll.
You must have had your head in the dryer too long too.

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TOPIC: WSJ: "Hi-Ho, Hi-Ho: How Can I Teach My Kids to Enjoy Work?"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/edc1c65f88cceca7?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 5:34 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 26, 2:14 pm, lenona...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I found this at Betsy Hart's website betsysblog.com.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121935843910061763.html
>
> You can respond to the WSJ or post comments at Hart's blog.
>
> First paragraph:
>
> By TONY WOODLIEF
> August 22, 2008; Page W13
>
> "Recently our family moved from the suburbs to 20 wooded acres in the
> country. This is not because I have a deep love for nature, which is
> where God keeps the snakes and poison ivy. We moved because of an old-
> fashioned sense that our four boys will benefit from hard work.
> Perhaps it was too many passes by videogame display cases crowded by
> overweight mouth-breathers. Or seeing the glacial pace of slump-
> shouldered teenagers corralling carts at the grocery store. Whatever
> the impetus, my wife and I concluded that living where there are
> fields to mow, trees to cut, predators to kill, equipment to maintain
> and adventures to pursue would be good for our children..........."
>
> (some very interesting political discussion follows)
>
> And last paragraph:
>
> "Perhaps too many children fail to value work because their parents
> fail to shepherd them into a world where work can be meaningful. So
> maybe I should just shut up and get to working with a smile on my own
> face. As is so often the case when raising children, the qualities we
> want them to possess must first be cultivated in ourselves."
>
> I definitely agree with: "Perhaps too many children fail to value work
> because their parents fail to shepherd them into a world where work
> can be meaningful." If parents looked for more ways to show kids how
> what they learn in school can be useful in the real world, or showed
> them how rewarding learning to cook well can be, or, last but not
> least, how much they really have when they do volunteer work for the
> homeless (such as "Habitat for Humanity"), maybe kids would be less
> surly about work in general.
>
> But I would hope most parents would have the sense NOT to pay kids for
> doing their own share of the chores. What's going to happen when they
> move out and find the dishes still pile up anyway?
>
> Lenona.

First, I have no special background or expertise in this area. I have
observed some things along the way though. All my life I have heard
that you should make kids work for things and not give them too much.
There's even a book out named something like that. "Don't give your
kids too much." What I have seen is that at least in many cases, it
works just the opposite. Kids that are given all kinds of things early
like the games, computers, TVs and even cars, want to continue that
lifestyle for themselves. If the parents demonstrate that they have to
produce on their own to have these things later, those kids can work
hard at school, go to college and be very successful early. They have
high aspirations and will accept nothing less than success. Other kids
that are given nothing tend to work only to a certain level and be
happy with a lower living standard.

Bill Gates was not an overweight mouth-breather. I don't think he did
many dishes or cut the lawn either.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 10:02 pm
From: jtnospam@yahoo.com

On Aug 28, 5:34 pm, Al Bundy <MSfort...@mcpmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 26, 2:14 pm, lenona...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I found this at Betsy Hart's website betsysblog.com.
>
> >http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121935843910061763.html
>
> > You can respond to the WSJ or post comments at Hart's blog.
>
> > First paragraph:
>
> > By TONY WOODLIEF
> > August 22, 2008; Page W13
>
> > "Recently our family moved from the suburbs to 20 wooded acres in the
> > country. This is not because I have a deep love for nature, which is
> > where God keeps the snakes and poison ivy. We moved because of an old-
> > fashioned sense that our four boys will benefit from hard work.
> > Perhaps it was too many passes by videogame display cases crowded by
> > overweight mouth-breathers. Or seeing the glacial pace of slump-
> > shouldered teenagers corralling carts at the grocery store. Whatever
> > the impetus, my wife and I concluded that living where there are
> > fields to mow, trees to cut, predators to kill, equipment to maintain
> > and adventures to pursue would be good for our children..........."
>
> > (some very interesting political discussion follows)
>
> > And last paragraph:
>
> > "Perhaps too many children fail to value work because their parents
> > fail to shepherd them into a world where work can be meaningful. So
> > maybe I should just shut up and get to working with a smile on my own
> > face. As is so often the case when raising children, the qualities we
> > want them to possess must first be cultivated in ourselves."
>
> > I definitely agree with: "Perhaps too many children fail to value work
> > because their parents fail to shepherd them into a world where work
> > can be meaningful." If parents looked for more ways to show kids how
> > what they learn in school can be useful in the real world, or showed
> > them how rewarding learning to cook well can be, or, last but not
> > least, how much they really have when they do volunteer work for the
> > homeless (such as "Habitat for Humanity"), maybe kids would be less
> > surly about work in general.
>
> > But I would hope most parents would have the sense NOT to pay kids for
> > doing their own share of the chores. What's going to happen when they
> > move out and find the dishes still pile up anyway?
>
> > Lenona.
>
> First, I have no special background or expertise in this area. I have
> observed some things along the way though. All my life I have heard
> that you should make kids work for things and not give them too much.
> There's even a book out named something like that. "Don't give your
> kids too much." What I have seen is that at least in many cases, it
> works just the opposite. Kids that are given all kinds of things early
> like the games, computers, TVs and even cars, want to continue that
> lifestyle for themselves. If the parents demonstrate that they have to
> produce on their own to have these things later, those kids can work
> hard at school, go to college and be very successful early. They have
> high aspirations and will accept nothing less than success. Other kids
> that are given nothing tend to work only to a certain level and be
> happy with a lower living standard.
>
> Bill Gates was not an overweight mouth-breather. I don't think he did
> many dishes or cut the lawn either.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

My parents were children of the Depression, laziness was not
tolerated. Spending money had to be earned, and too much TV time led
to a suspension of the priviledge. Failure to do chores led to
consequences, and lying, cheating, and stealing would be paid with
corporal punishment and a public apology with restitution to the
victim. We were sent outdoors to play, and made to ride bicycles and
walk rather than be chauffered around (a practical thing in S.
California). I thank God for parents like that.-Jitney

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TOPIC: Recall of deadly bassinets
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/124b2a330f24ac2d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 6:49 pm
From: ultimauw@hotmail.com

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml08/08378.html This does not
seem be the first time. Google simplicity and recall.

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TOPIC: Louis Vuitton Dentelle Batignolles Horizontal - Silver M95400-2
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8e67896a727cf341?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 7:28 pm
From: blog506@watchesblog.cn

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TOPIC: Louis Vuitton Geant Canvas Loup - Gray 93077gray Handbags, Luxury, Best,
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/210fcc52bbddc139?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 7:28 pm
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TOPIC: Prada Saffiano Bag White 1113WHITE Handbags, Luxury, Best,Inspired,
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http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a0cdb9d74af0a1e3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 7:28 pm
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TOPIC: RIP Bobbi Sanchez
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a3ef1cf02aaa72c4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 28 2008 8:48 pm
From: mike@nowhere.com (Mike)

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Ragnar <Ragnarsghost@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 27, 5:19 pm, SneakyP <inva...@invalidsneakemail.com> wrote:
>> Ragnar <Ragnarsgh...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:2c25072c-43b9-4008-bbe4-
>> ab3ebbdef...@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 26, 8:57 pm, SneakyP <inva...@invalidsneakemail.com> wrote:
>> >> m...@nowhere.com (Mike) wrote in news:20080826225559.A7BBC4E628
>> >> @outpost.zedz.net:
>>
>> >> > On Tue, 26 Aug 2008, SneakyP <inva...@invalidsneakemail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> You've become quite good at reading headers since your foray into
>> >> >>> sockpuppetry was documented.
>>
>> >> >>Links please.
>>
>> >> >http://tinyurl.com/6l8jf9
>>
>> >> Ah yes - Renee posts signed with "Ragnar". Thanks.
>>
>> >> --
>> >> SneakyP
>> >> To reply: newsgroup only, what's posted in ng stays in ng.
>>
>> >> Some choose to swim in the potty bowl of nan-ae rather than flush it
>> >> down :0)
>>
>> > Ah yes, the ONE time I mistakenly posted through the wife's account
>> > from a year and a half ago surfaces again. Nice try defending your
>> > asshole troll buddies but you fail miserably.
>>
>> > BTW, it still doesn't change the fact that the OP is a sock puppet
>> > spawning clueless fucktard.
>>
>> > Ragnar
>>
>> There was no default X-No-Archive posting option on Google. Mistake?
>> Or, there was a cancel done on it?
>> Mistake #2?
>>
>> Wonder if those were the only "Renee" posts on google?
>>
>> Search on author. Hmmm......
>>
>> What will Ragnar say if there are no messages to find?
>>
>> Hmmmm.....
>>
>> This deserves more scruntiny.
>>
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
>Scruntize all you want fuckwit. The shit you are so feverishly digging
>up is over a year old, it's your time spent. If your life is that
>pathetic that you have time to look search for it, then have at it,
>moron. If this is the best you can do then you aren't worth my time.
>
>As for the removals, so fucking what, big deal, I easased some posts
>that I mistakenly posted under the wrong account, and again it was
>done over a year ago. If you will search further you will find that
>many times I reposted them under the correct account once the error
>was recognized. But you propably will leave that tidbit of info out,
>because you are a dumbass troll.
>
>Ragnar

You claimed earlier, after you thought that you had erased all evidence
that you were posting under a sockpuppet, that you had mistakenly posted
from your wife's account "ONE time".

From: Ragnar <Ragnarsghost@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: RIP Bobbi Sanchez
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:37:04 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:
<2c25072c-43b9-4008-bbe4-ab3ebbdefb55@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>

"Ah yes, the ONE time I mistakenly posted through the wife's account
from a year and a half ago surfaces again. Nice try defending your
asshole troll buddies but you fail miserably."

Lie much? LOL.

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TOPIC: NIKE AIR JORDANS 1 WOMEN HIGH SHOES, AIR FORCE 1 JORDAN FUSION, AJF 1 I,
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