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* A new WheelChair is being researched by free energy, the Gravity... - 1
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* vaseline to stop leaks - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* The basis of all viability is *production. ... Paulson seems to think money
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* Annoying Ebay ad crap - 5 messages, 5 authors
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* EQUITY ACCELERATOR - 1 messages, 1 author
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* HOT SALE wholesale clothing apparel Lacoste shirts Ralph Lauren polo shirt
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TOPIC: A new WheelChair is being researched by free energy, the Gravity...
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 7:39 am
From: mgulk1234
Hi,
An old failure, new success of a Renewable Energy Source: The gravity.
Detailed info is in short youtube vid.s (30 sec each, and similar all)
here:
mgulk..
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Energy from gravity: an affordable self popelled wheel chair...
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Energy from gravity (pure mechanical) ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tf7urAWuiu8
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TOPIC: vaseline to stop leaks
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 8:05 am
From: Colin Wilson
> Any suggestions without the unsightly tape on the topside? I was thinking
> of smearing vaseline on all the rubber sealing strips, but maybe something
> else would be better?
Not sure, but wouldn't vaseline damage the seals ? - perhaps a
silicone grease would be better.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_grease
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 10:07 am
From: Grimly Curmudgeon
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember "Mark" <mark@nospam.com> saying
something like:
>> It's not factory fitted. It's one of those pikey flat things in a metal
>> frame put in a hole cut into the roof with a jigsaw.
>>
>
>On Caroline we used to talk about LA and DA.
Radio Caroline?
>Come on Conor, try and spread a little happiness. You are probably right,
>but why the negativity and bad feeling?
That's mild. You should read what I have to say about Webasto sun roofs.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 10:10 am
From: Grimly Curmudgeon
We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the
drugs began to take hold. I remember Colin Wilson
<REMOVEEVERYTHINGBUTnewsgroup@phoenixbbsZEROSPAM.co.uk> saying something
like:
>> Any suggestions without the unsightly tape on the topside? I was thinking
>> of smearing vaseline on all the rubber sealing strips, but maybe something
>> else would be better?
>
>Not sure, but wouldn't vaseline damage the seals ? - perhaps a
>silicone grease would be better.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicone_grease
That stuff certainly is better for long term care of rubber seals. I see
now that silicone sprays are being sold for just that purpose, but I was
using silicone lub and furniture sprays for rubber preservation decades
ago, so have some years of seeing how well (or not) it kept things
reasonable and purely anecdotally, it works.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 11:45 am
From: Conor
In article <OdydnT_kg9ghpoHUnZ2dnUVZ8oCdnZ2d@posted.metronet>, Mark
says...>
> Come on Conor, try and spread a little happiness. You are probably right,
> but why the negativity and bad feeling?
>
What negativity?
--
Conor.
"Some of you may be anxious about finding a new job, or a new place to
live. I know how you feel." President Bush, 2008
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TOPIC: The basis of all viability is *production. ... Paulson seems to think
money is separate from that.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 8:28 am
From: phil scott
Paulson seems to be a specialist in money manipulation, but with no
faintest understanding of the basics... the economics of production...
the very basis of a nations economy...
so he rewards the money manipulators and ignores the basis of
production, our work force...which he has been happy to see starve, as
he bails out banks.... the ability to lend not relevant in the absense
of goods production. (not services production, goods production...
all services and all govt rides on the back of production)
Phil scott
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TOPIC: Annoying Ebay ad crap
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 11:59 am
From: imascot
I hate the way Ebay takes forever to load because of all the adware running in the background. Today I
found a setting that lets you opt out of the adware. My apologies if this seems obvious. In my Ebay
Summary, look on the left side under My Account for Site Preferences. Scroll down to Advertising
Preferences, Edit, and change the bloody default to No and No. Ebay now loads quickly.
I also opted out of the new Ebay beta view of My Ebay, which did not fit on my screen well. This
restores the old My Summary look, which I greatly prefer.
J.
== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 1:57 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net
On 13 Nov 2008 19:59:32 GMT, in misc.consumers.frugal-living imascot
<imnot@mycomputer.now> wrote:
>I hate the way Ebay takes forever to load because of all the adware running in the background. Today I
>found a setting that lets you opt out of the adware. My apologies if this seems obvious. In my Ebay
>Summary, look on the left side under My Account for Site Preferences. Scroll down to Advertising
>Preferences, Edit, and change the bloody default to No and No. Ebay now loads quickly.
>
>I also opted out of the new Ebay beta view of My Ebay, which did not fit on my screen well. This
>restores the old My Summary look, which I greatly prefer.
>
>J.
thanks
== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 2:03 pm
From: "rtandems@yahoo.com"
Wow.
That made a difference, thanks!
== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 5:30 pm
From: Fring
On Nov 14, 3:59 am, imascot <im...@mycomputer.now> wrote:
> I hate the way Ebay takes forever to load because of all the adware running in the background. Today I
> found a setting that lets you opt out of the adware. My apologies if this seems obvious. In my Ebay
> Summary, look on the left side under My Account for Site Preferences. Scroll down to Advertising
> Preferences, Edit, and change the bloody default to No and No. Ebay now loads quickly.
>
> I also opted out of the new Ebay beta view of My Ebay, which did not fit on my screen well. This
> restores the old My Summary look, which I greatly prefer.
>
> J.
Thanks for sharing.
== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 9:08 pm
From: "h"
"imascot" <imnot@mycomputer.now> wrote in message
news:491c8724$0$14287$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>I hate the way Ebay takes forever to load because of all the adware running
>in the background. Today I
> found a setting that lets you opt out of the adware. My apologies if this
> seems obvious. In my Ebay
> Summary, look on the left side under My Account for Site Preferences.
> Scroll down to Advertising
> Preferences, Edit, and change the bloody default to No and No. Ebay now
> loads quickly.
>
> I also opted out of the new Ebay beta view of My Ebay, which did not fit
> on my screen well. This
> restores the old My Summary look, which I greatly prefer.
>
Thanks for the tip! I have roadrunner, but removing the ads definitely speed
things up. And I hate the beta too, and disabled it awhile ago. It just
can't be customized to show me what I want to see all on one screen, plus it
was running like a dying dog. I will be very unhappy when it goes live.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 1:22 pm
From: Mike
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:43:11 -0800 (PST), ransley
<Mark_Ransley@yahoo.com> wrote:
>And here no laundrymat says dont use the bleach we sell here. Gee my
>machine tells me how much bleach to use, and just when to add it, ON
>THE DOOR of the washer. And there aint no warning, and there have been
>no problems. These things are designed to be used, not worried about.
>It would be like saying if you have dirty stained clothes dont buy
>this machine, buy that one.
Its a unique feature of the USA that many inhabitants combine
everything - whites, colours, dirty nappies, delicates into their huge
top loading washing machine, add heaps of bleach and washing powder
then heat it to boiling for a couple of hours before spinning it to
within an inch of its life. Then they tumble dry the washing into
submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80
deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see.
This explains why their clothes 'fade' and 'wear out' at fifty times
the rate in Europe and why they are constantly buying new clothes from
sweat ships in the far east and thereby sustaining their massive trade
deficit. European front loaders with their low temperature cycles and
powder formulations lead to very low levels of fade and fabric damage
using significantly less energy and water.
Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology
at a UK university.
Having said that I think the widespread use of disposable nappies
might have improved the quality of their washing slightly. :)
--
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 1:30 pm
From: clams_casino
Mike wrote:
>On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 07:43:11 -0800 (PST), ransley
><Mark_Ransley@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>>And here no laundrymat says dont use the bleach we sell here. Gee my
>>machine tells me how much bleach to use, and just when to add it, ON
>>THE DOOR of the washer. And there aint no warning, and there have been
>>no problems. These things are designed to be used, not worried about.
>>It would be like saying if you have dirty stained clothes dont buy
>>this machine, buy that one.
>>
>>
>
>Its a unique feature of the USA that many inhabitants combine
>everything - whites, colours, dirty nappies, delicates into their huge
>top loading washing machine, add heaps of bleach and washing powder
>then heat it to boiling for a couple of hours before spinning it to
>within an inch of its life. Then they tumble dry the washing into
>submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80
>deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see.
>
>
Are you living in a cartoon? 176F outside temperature and boiling
water in a washing machine with a two hour wash cycle?
>This explains why their clothes 'fade' and 'wear out' at fifty times
>the rate in Europe and why they are constantly buying new clothes from
>sweat ships in the far east and thereby sustaining their massive trade
>deficit. European front loaders with their low temperature cycles and
>powder formulations lead to very low levels of fade and fabric damage
>using significantly less energy and water.
>
>Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology
>at a UK university.
>
>
He made those time / temperature claims? What a wacko.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 3:28 pm
From: andrew@cucumber.demon.co.uk (Andrew Gabriel)
In article <2l6ph4pvf77e8lssdn7eggq99iv6efb220@4ax.com>,
Mike <nospam@nospam.com> writes:
> Its a unique feature of the USA that many inhabitants combine
> everything - whites, colours, dirty nappies, delicates into their huge
> top loading washing machine, add heaps of bleach and washing powder
> then heat it to boiling for a couple of hours before spinning it to
> within an inch of its life. Then they tumble dry the washing into
> submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80
> deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see.
>
> This explains why their clothes 'fade' and 'wear out' at fifty times
> the rate in Europe and why they are constantly buying new clothes from
> sweat ships in the far east and thereby sustaining their massive trade
> deficit. European front loaders with their low temperature cycles and
> powder formulations lead to very low levels of fade and fabric damage
> using significantly less energy and water.
>
> Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology
> at a UK university.
>
> Having said that I think the widespread use of disposable nappies
> might have improved the quality of their washing slightly. :)
US and Europe have completely different washing machine technologies
(I use washing machines on both sides of the atlantic). It's not just
the machines, but the wash programs, the plumbing, the mains supply,
and the soap/detergents are all part of the system, and completely
different.
Europe used to use US style washers, but moved away from vertical
axis drums about 50 years as newer better products appeared on
the market. 30 years ago, the economy of the wash started to get
important, and since then, the European horizontal axis drums
(which were already much more efficient than the earlier vertical
axis drums they replaced) have become very much more efficient.
US has more started becoming concerned about wash economy too, but
you can't simply put a European washing machine in the US, as you
can't buy detergent for it (and US soap power won't work in it),
and you can't get enough power out of the mains outlet to power it.
You have been able buy to horizontal axis drum machines in the US
for a while now, but they can't operate like European machines,
for the same reasons.
For any US readers wondering what's so different about European
washers, they mostly now only use cold water supplies, and they
use very much less water. The washing detergents are all designed
for relatively cold washes. Even if you want to do a hot wash,
you must start with a cool wash as a number of the detergent
clensing ingredients are destroyed above certain temperatures,
and won't get a chance to operate on their target dirt if you
expose them to hot water from the start. Max initial temperature
is 30C (86F), and a normal wash is achievable at 35C (95F) max.
If you want to do a higher temperature wash, then the washer
must do what's called a profiled temperature wash from 30C (86F)
to 50C (122F) whereby it increases the temperature slowly over
this range to allow the components of detergent to operature at
their working temperatures. Once you get to 50C (122F), if you
still want to go higher, that can then be done quickly. With a
good detergent (and not one of the eco-crap ones), it's very
rarely necessary to wash everyday items above 35C (95F) anyway.
So European washing machines don't need a hot water supply, but
they are all about 2.5kW, which is well over what can be drawn
from a US outlet. They actually don't use much energy (the heater
is operated only very briefly because the water content is so
little), and they could easily be made to operate at a lower
power, but that's not necessary anywhere in Europe. They won't
work with US soap powder, and it's not necessary to use bleach
in the wash with European washine detergents (so the washers
can use plastic parts which are damaged by bleach, as mentioned
earlier up the thread, and hence most explicitly forbid the use
of bleach). IME, European machines have very much more effective
spin drying cycles -- it was something that became a competitve
marketing feature about 20 years ago.
Contrary to the comments made by Mike above, the low temperature
profiled wash takes a bit longer than a US wash, but does
produce less wear in fabrics. Some machines can be set to do a
fast (less economic) wash if you need to (mine has a 30 minute
program for this purpose).
--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 7:26 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)
In article <2l6ph4pvf77e8lssdn7eggq99iv6efb220@4ax.com>,
Mike <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
> [ ... ] Then they tumble dry the washing into
>submission when they have a house on a 2 acre plot and outside its 80
>deg C, with a gentle breeze and blue sky as far as you can see.
[ ... ]
>Not my words but essentially those of a Professor in fabric technology
>at a UK university.
You have a professor at a UK university who thinks places in the US
routinely have 80C temperatures? That's 176F; doesn't happen.
Might explain the state of education in the UK...
>Having said that I think the widespread use of disposable nappies
>might have improved the quality of their washing slightly. :)
Most people using non-disposable diapers here purchase a used maching
which is used only for the diapers, then sold once the child is out of
diapers.
Gary
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 1:59 pm
From: Wilma6116@gmail.com
On Nov 12, 4:04 pm, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>
> >Thats what they would do in PA. If you leave an unregistered car on the
> >street it is a violation of the motor vehicle code. They will ticket you
> >and if you don't respond a bench warrant will be issued.
>
> In Philadelphia, it is illegal to park on the street a car that cannot
> be legally driven. You can get parking tickets for expired registration
> and expired inspection stickers. (I do not often see that actually
> happen.) I just wish they got more aggressive against people
> double-parking close to and even alongside empty parking spaces.
>
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Side story about Pa.'s inspection stickers. One time I needed a
sticker. The local Guido's were out of them for some reason and I knew
my car couldn't pass inspection legally. So I drew one.
I got a piece of construction paper approx. the same color as the
sticker. I then free handed drew an inspection sticker, cut to size
and stuck it to the inside of my windshield with spit. It looked good
at about twenty feet, but not so much closer. It worked for nearly a
year.
So one day a cop with good eye sight and nothing better to do busted
me. I spent the night in jail and in the morning I went to court. I
was charged with counterfiting and was facing one to ten years for the
felony. I was given a court date and released OR. I winked at the
judge as he made me promise to appear on my date, at I believe the
twinkle in his eye affirmed what we both knew; I wasn't going to
appear. The next day I drove out of town and headed to Cally, swimming
pools and movie stars, and I never looked back.
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TOPIC: INTERNET VIDEOS SELL HOUSES, BOATS, CARS, JEWELRY, CLOTHES, ELECTRONICS,
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 2:31 pm
From: Realtor Rich
Go to: http://www.3minutevideoads.com for some great, CHEAP ideas
for marketing your house, your car or boat. For $40 bucks, they'll
take your still
photos and make a video out of them! Then they'll edit everything,
add captions, add voice over and publish it on the internet.
You take the web address and plaster it everywhere....at your local
supermarket, on all your emails, in your classified ads, on GOOGLE,
Yahoo and YouTube. You'll get plenty of attention for $40 bucks.
And another thing, it stays up until YOU take it down....it never
stops working for you.
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TOPIC: Coinstar Offer (and Caveat)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 4:13 pm
From: Brian Elfert
Evelyn Leeper <eleeper@optonline.net> writes:
>So I got three rolls of quarters at the bank ($30) and dumped them in.
>The total Coinstar registered was $29.61. I threw in two more quarters
This seems pretty deliberate since it came up with a number not divisible
by 25. I could see being off by 25 or 50 cents, but not 39 cents.
Someone should find a lawyer hungry for a class action.
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TOPIC: Skype/Onesuite Versus Comcast Digital Phone
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 5:49 pm
From: Fring
On Nov 12, 8:35 am, The Real Bev <bashley101+...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cheapo Groovo wrote:
> >> If you intend to use a voip service, then I suggest you check your DSL
> >> speed as voip will work better on 512kbps connection but can get away
> >> with only 384kbps connection but don't expect a good call quality all
> >> the time.
>
> > Just use the MagiJack
>
> >http://cheapogroovo.vox.com/library/post/phone-service-for-1995-a-
> > month.html
>
> Look for reviews first.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Bev
> _|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_|-_
> Too many freaks, not enough circuses.
Yes look for reviews, ask around and finally call the customer support
and see if how long they answer the calls. These things helped me to
choose which company to go. I went with Onesuite because of the
factors above.
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 7:22 pm
From: "."
by Alan Stang
November 6, 2008
NewsWithViews.com
I read this warning on my daily radio talk show last week, before the
election. It is even more relevant now, because the same thing that
was imposed on South Africa – by the United States – is now happening
here. So many people have asked for a copy of this message from a
South African journalist that I post it here. My comments on her
comments are in bold. Of course the parallels cannot be exact, but see
whether you recognize any of this.
By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African
journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of
parliament, still reside in South Africa.)
People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of
the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa
(but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).
Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future
Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar
to those that destroyed our country.
America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups,
your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved
or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the
world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem
it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to
losing your Western character.
Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting
fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences,
writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are
comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for
yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political
accountability.
But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White
Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to
challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result
of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to
cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots,
intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for
proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and
political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power
from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt
cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately
their way of life.
That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was
there and I saw it happen.
South Africa used to be one of the most advanced nations on earth.
Then Washington intervened.
Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the
sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National
Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to
achieve "peace."
Mandela was in jail for twenty seven years not because he was an
innocent black man but because he was a Communist terrorist who said
in court that he was planning to kill people with bombs. He could have
been released at any time simply by renouncing terrorism. He refused.
Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are
builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for
our society.
The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts
and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the
psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and
Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in
perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia
- is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet
Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to
America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves.
The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation
of the Western conscience of compassion.
Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and
its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and
savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western
politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps:
the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside
the realm.
Again, Washington forced Rhodesia into Communist hands. Rhodesia
exported tons of food. Zimbabwe typically starves. Washington did
this.
It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough
people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the
armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the
craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy
them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.
White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of
Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North
America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We
are not so very different from you.
South Africans voted for their own suicide. Did you?
We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad
(not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and
"racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white
man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his
compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your
neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's
history.
See my recent piece – Before the Election: What You Must Do – about
the deliberate cultivation of white guilt in the Communist government
schools.
The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western
influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's
tyrants were yesterday's mission-school protégés. Many dictators in
Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would
deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing
whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."
Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled
by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After
receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust
against their benefactors.
From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will
capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They
don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they
were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise
and be nice.
A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting
somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about
falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the
meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their
community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted
and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into
their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't
want to quarrel.
In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws.
But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by
court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority
says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge
"white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled
with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition
187 has already been overturned
What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change
the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer
want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white
"racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying
the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official
language?
Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first
targets were our national symbols.
In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now
experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the
decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the
banishment of your history from the education of the young; the
revolutionization of your justice system.
In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail.
Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear.
Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making
escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly
purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.
What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your
neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that
litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of
witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for
"medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?
Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.
Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in
the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome
generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.
In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial
solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites.
When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world,
white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring
him to surrender.
When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents,
ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and
siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his
friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and
declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.
Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In
South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds
such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply
abandoned.
What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either
destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the
goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as
in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy
votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or
devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the
most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa
is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.
Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no
getting it back again.
Please note. Once it's gone, it's gone. Whatever you do later, however
hard you fight, you cannot get it back.
Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot
fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You
cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot
appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises
you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his
political opponents.
To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to
people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the
test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will
probably fail.
Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake:
They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and
George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your
possessions, your power, and your status.
And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights
activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will
fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and
your Christian charity, and your good will.
They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your
weaknesses well.
They know what to do.
Do you?
http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan172.htm
http://www.davidduke.com
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 7:31 pm
From: BrianNZ
So, what ya gonna do '.'?
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Nov 13 2008 8:45 pm
From: Tony
It is true what America needs is more ethics not ethnics.Under black rule
i don't expect a whole lot to change. The same white cops will be hitting
the same negros over their head with the same billy clubs. The darkies
will still reside in the same prisons. Obama will likely throw more money
at the prison system to aid his own countrymen as a means of votes in the
future if he has one.
"." wrote:
> by Alan Stang
> November 6, 2008
> NewsWithViews.com
>
> I read this warning on my daily radio talk show last week, before the
> election. It is even more relevant now, because the same thing that
> was imposed on South Africa – by the United States – is now happening
> here. So many people have asked for a copy of this message from a
> South African journalist that I post it here. My comments on her
> comments are in bold. Of course the parallels cannot be exact, but see
> whether you recognize any of this.
>
> By Gemma Meyer (Gemma Meyer is the pseudonym of a South African
> journalist. She and her husband, a former conservative member of
> parliament, still reside in South Africa.)
>
> People used to say that South Africa was 20 years behind the rest of
> the Western world. Television, for example, came late to South Africa
> (but so did pornography and the gay rights movement).
>
> Today, however, South Africa may be the grim model of the future
> Western world, for events in America reveal trends chillingly similar
> to those that destroyed our country.
>
> America's structures are Western. Your Congress, your lobbying groups,
> your free speech, and the way ordinary Americans either get involved
> or ignore politics are peculiarly Western, not the way most of the
> world operates. But the fact that only about a third of Americans deem
> it important to vote is horrifying in light of how close you are to
> losing your Western character.
>
> Writing letters to the press, manning stands at county fairs, hosting
> fund-raising dinners, attending rallies, setting up conferences,
> writing your Congressman - that is what you know, and what you are
> comfortable with. Those are the political methods you've created for
> yourselves to keep your country on track and to ensure political
> accountability.
>
> But woe to you if - or more likely, when - the rules change. White
> Americans may soon find themselves unable or unwilling to stand up to
> challenge the new political methods that will be the inevitable result
> of the ethnic metamorphosis now taking place in America. Unable to
> cope with the new rules of the game - violence, mob riots,
> intimidation through accusations of racism, demands for
> proportionality based on racial numbers, and all the other social and
> political weapons used by the have-nots to bludgeon treasure and power
> from the haves - Americans, like others before them, will no doubt
> cave in. They will compromise away their independence and ultimately
> their way of life.
>
> That is exactly what happened in South Africa. I know, because I was
> there and I saw it happen.
>
> South Africa used to be one of the most advanced nations on earth.
> Then Washington intervened.
>
> Faced with revolution in the streets, strikes, civil unrest and the
> sheer terror and murder practiced by Nelson Mandela's African National
> Congress (ANC), the white government simply capitulated in order to
> achieve "peace."
>
> Mandela was in jail for twenty seven years not because he was an
> innocent black man but because he was a Communist terrorist who said
> in court that he was planning to kill people with bombs. He could have
> been released at any time simply by renouncing terrorism. He refused.
>
> Westerners need peace. They need order and stability. They are
> builders and planners. But what we got was the peace of the grave for
> our society.
>
> The Third World is different - different peoples with different pasts
> and different cultures. Yet Westerners continue to mistake the
> psychology of the Third World and its peoples. Sierra Leone and
> Zimbabwe are perfect examples of those mistakes. Sierra Leone is in
> perpetual civil war, and Zimbabwe - once the thriving, stable Rhodesia
> - is looting the very people (the white men) who feed the country. Yet
> Westerners do not admit that the same kind of savagery could come to
> America when enough immigrants of the right type assert themselves.
> The fact is, Americans are sitting ducks for Third World exploitation
> of the Western conscience of compassion.
>
> Those in the West who forced South Africa to surrender to the ANC and
> its leaders did not consider Africa to be the dangerous, corrupt, and
> savage place it is now in Zimbabwe and South Africa. Those Western
> politicians now have a similar problem looming on their own doorsteps:
> the demand for power and treasure from the non-Western peoples inside
> the realm.
>
> Again, Washington forced Rhodesia into Communist hands. Rhodesia
> exported tons of food. Zimbabwe typically starves. Washington did
> this.
>
> It is already too late for South Africa, but not for America if enough
> people strengthen their spine and take on the race terrorists, the
> armies of the "politically correct" and, most dangerous of all, the
> craven politicians who believe "compassionate conservatism" will buy
> them a few more votes, a few more days of peace.
>
> White South Africans, you should remember, have been in that part of
> Africa for the same amount of time whites have inhabited North
> America; yet ultimately South Africans voted for their own suicide. We
> are not so very different from you.
>
> South Africans voted for their own suicide. Did you?
>
> We lost our country through skillful propaganda, pressure from abroad
> (not least from the U.S.A.), unrelenting charges of "oppression" and
> "racism," and the shrewd assessment by African tyrants that the white
> man has many Achilles' heels, the most significant of which are his
> compassion, his belief in the "equality of man," and his "love your
> neighbor" philosophy - none of which are part of the Third World's
> history.
>
> See my recent piece – Before the Election: What You Must Do – about
> the deliberate cultivation of white guilt in the Communist government
> schools.
>
> The mainline churches played a big role in the demise of Western
> influence throughout Africa, too; especially in South Africa. Today's
> tyrants were yesterday's mission-school protégés. Many dictators in
> Africa were men of the cloth. They knew their clerical collars would
> deflect criticism and obfuscate their real aims, which had nothing
> whatever to do with the "brotherhood of man."
>
> Other tyrants, like the infamous Idi Amin, were trained and schooled
> by the whites themselves, at Oxford, Cambridge, and Harvard. After
> receiving the best from the West, they unleashed a resentful bloodlust
> against their benefactors.
> From what I have seen and read thus far, I fear Americans will
> capitulate just as we did. Americans are, generally, a soft lot. They
> don't want to quarrel or obstruct the claims of those who believe they
> were wronged. They like peace and quiet, and they want to compromise
> and be nice.
>
> A television program that aired in South Africa showed a town meeting
> somewhere in Southern California where people met to complain about
> falling standards in the schools. Whites who politely spoke at the
> meeting clearly resented the influx of Mexican immigrants into their
> community. When a handful of Chicanos at the back of the hall shouted
> and waved their hands at them, the whites simply shrunk back into
> their seats rather than tell the noisemakers to shut up. They didn't
> want to quarrel.
>
> In America, the courts are still the final arbiters of society's laws.
> But what will happen when your future majority refuses to abide by
> court rulings - as in Zimbabwe. What will happen when the new majority
> says the judges are racists, and that they refuse to acknowledge
> "white man's justice"? What will happen when the courts are filled
> with their people, or their sympathizers? In California, Proposition
> 187 has already been overturned
>
> What will you do when the future non-white majority decides to change
> the names of streets and cities? What will you do when they no longer
> want to use money that carries the portraits of old, dead white
> "racists" and slave owners? Will you cave in, like you did on flying
> the Confederate flag? What about the national anthem? Your official
> language?
>
> Don't laugh. When the "majority" took over in South Africa, the first
> targets were our national symbols.
>
> In another generation, America may well face what Africa is now
> experiencing - invasions of private land by the "have-nots;" the
> decline in health care quality; roads and buildings in disrepair; the
> banishment of your history from the education of the young; the
> revolutionization of your justice system.
>
> In South Africa today, only 9 percent of murderers end up in jail.
> Court dockets are regularly purchased and simply disappear.
> Magistrates can be bribed as can the prison authorities, making
> escapes commonplace. Vehicle and airplane licenses are regularly
> purchased, and forged school and university certificates are routine.
>
> What would you think of the ritual slaughter of animals in your
> neighbor's backyard? How do you clean up the blood and entrails that
> litter your suburban streets? How do you feel about the practice of
> witchcraft, in which the parts of young girls and boys are needed for
> "medicinal" purposes? How do you react to the burning of witches?
>
> Don't laugh. All that is quite common in South Africa today.
>
> Don't imagine that government officials caught with their fingers in
> the till will be punished. Excuses - like the need to overcome
> generations of white racism - will be found to exonerate the guilty.
>
> In fact, known criminals will be voted into office because of a racial
> solidarity among the majority that doesn't exist among the whites.
> When Ian Smith of the old Rhodesia tried to stand up to the world,
> white South African politicians were among the Westerners pressuring
> him to surrender.
>
> When Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe murders his political opponents,
> ignores unfavorable court decisions, terrorizes the population and
> siphons off millions from the state treasury for himself and his
> friends, South Africa's new President Thabo Mbeki holds his hand and
> declares his support. That just happened a few weeks ago.
>
> Your tax dollars will go to those who don't earn and don't pay. In
> South Africa, organizations that used to have access to state funds
> such as old age homes, the arts, and veterans' services, are simply
> abandoned.
>
> What will happen is that Western structures in America will be either
> destroyed from without, or transformed from within, used to suit the
> goals of the new rulers. And they will reign either through terror, as
> in Zimbabwe today, or exert other corrupt pressures to obtain, or buy
> votes. Once power is in the hands of aliens, don't expect loyalty or
> devotion to principle from those whose jobs are at stake. One of the
> most surprising and tragic components of the disaster in South Africa
> is how many previously anti-ANC whites simply moved to the other side.
> Once you lose social, cultural, and political dominance, there is no
> getting it back again.
>
> Please note. Once it's gone, it's gone. Whatever you do later, however
> hard you fight, you cannot get it back.
>
> Unfortunately, your habits and values work against you. You cannot
> fight terror and street mobs with letters to your Congressmen. You
> cannot fight accusations of racism with prayer meetings. You cannot
> appeal to the goodness of your fellow man when the fellow man despises
> you for your weaknesses and hacks off the arms and legs of his
> political opponents.
>
> To survive, Americans must never lose the power they now enjoy to
> people from alien cultures. Above all, don't put yourselves to the
> test of fighting only when your backs are against the wall. You will
> probably fail.
>
> Millions around the world want your good life. But make no mistake:
> They care not for the high-minded ideals of Thomas Jefferson and
> George Washington, and your Constitution. What they want are your
> possessions, your power, and your status.
>
> And they already know that their allies among you, the "human rights
> activists," the skillful lawyers and the left-wing politicians will
> fight for them, and not for you. They will exploit your compassion and
> your Christian charity, and your good will.
>
> They have studied you, Mr. and Mrs. America, and they know your
> weaknesses well.
>
> They know what to do.
>
> Do you?
>
> http://www.newswithviews.com/Stang/alan172.htm
> http://www.davidduke.com
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proper manners
Very few. I used to take calls from *rank* noobs,
Hamster isn't a newsreader it's a mistake!
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