Frugal Living: Dec 23, 2010

Thursday, December 23, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 7 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* KARO HOT MASTI PHOTOS&VIDEOS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3a58f4ea1eaf3808?hl=en
* Lost $152 on Trafone service renewal - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6d1408373168760d?hl=en
* Would you sleep with a Swedish woman? - 11 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/043f09f5a0f23fb2?hl=en
* Is People Afraid of the Truth? - 4 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b04879810a6cd83e?hl=en
* Sending out lots of ' E ' Christmas Cards - 4 messages, 4 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/dfc50eaef5c67bd2?hl=en
* The Middle East is our backyard - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a684f22d7fa69689?hl=en
* free shippingpaypal payment wholesale CLOTHING jacket and hoody(Franklin
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armani,polo,poul smith and so on)/http://www.24hour-buy.com/ - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3ca5038c177a1c2c?hl=en

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TOPIC: KARO HOT MASTI PHOTOS&VIDEOS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3a58f4ea1eaf3808?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 8:57 pm
From: RHANI

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TOPIC: Lost $152 on Trafone service renewal
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6d1408373168760d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 5:04 am
From: " Terri Smith"

>
> FWIW, I have spent many hours on the phone trying to resolve this.
> Years
> ago TF would have fixed this. Not sure whats changed but even the call
> center folks seem upset that they don't have authority to fix this.
>
> Also - TF never told me service was disabled - found out when I tried to
> make a call.

That's ridiculous. If I were you, I would sue TF in small claims court.

=================================

Actually I called my credit card company - Visa.. Visa asked me to stay on
the phone. They said they had a special phone number & a code that would
cut through the delay. They did get what sounded like an office in the U.S.
and the TF person agreed to get right on it while we were on the phone.
Then they told Visa they could not get through to the department that could
fix the problem and would have to get back to them. In yesterday's mail I
got a letter from Visa saying TF did not respond. They credited my account
with the $152.

This reinforces why I posted the original note as a warning. TF had been a
good company in the past but something is clearly broken. Consumer be
warned!

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 12:40 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:04:04 -0500, " Terri Smith" <ts8 at soalex.us>
wrote:

>
>>
>> FWIW, I have spent many hours on the phone trying to resolve this.
>> Years
>> ago TF would have fixed this. Not sure whats changed but even the call
>> center folks seem upset that they don't have authority to fix this.
>>
>> Also - TF never told me service was disabled - found out when I tried to
>> make a call.
>
>That's ridiculous. If I were you, I would sue TF in small claims court.
>
>=================================
>
>Actually I called my credit card company - Visa.. Visa asked me to stay on
>the phone. They said they had a special phone number & a code that would
>cut through the delay. They did get what sounded like an office in the U.S.
>and the TF person agreed to get right on it while we were on the phone.
>Then they told Visa they could not get through to the department that could
>fix the problem and would have to get back to them. In yesterday's mail I
>got a letter from Visa saying TF did not respond. They credited my account
>with the $152.
>
>This reinforces why I posted the original note as a warning. TF had been a
>good company in the past but something is clearly broken. Consumer be
>warned!
>

Also shows how using a CC can easily get your money back in this type
of dispute.

--Vic

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 1:21 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Vic Smith wrote
> Terri Smith <ts8 at soalex.us> wrote

>>>> FWIW, I have spent many hours on the phone trying to resolve this.
>>>> Years ago TF would have fixed this. Not sure whats changed but even
>>>> the call center folks seem upset that they don't have authority to fix this.

>>>> Also - TF never told me service was disabled - found out when I tried to make a call.

>>> That's ridiculous. If I were you, I would sue TF in small claims court.

>> Actually I called my credit card company - Visa.. Visa asked me to
>> stay on the phone. They said they had a special phone number & a
>> code that would cut through the delay. They did get what sounded
>> like an office in the U.S. and the TF person agreed to get right on
>> it while we were on the phone. Then they told Visa they could not
>> get through to the department that could fix the problem and would
>> have to get back to them. In yesterday's mail I got a letter from Visa
>> saying TF did not respond. They credited my account with the $152.

>> This reinforces why I posted the original note as a warning. TF had
>> been a good company in the past but something is clearly broken.
>> Consumer be warned!

> Also shows how using a CC can easily get your money back in this type of dispute.

And a hell of a lot easier to use than the small claims court too.

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TOPIC: Would you sleep with a Swedish woman?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/043f09f5a0f23fb2?hl=en
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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 5:19 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 22, 9:54 pm, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 5:36 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the mundane
> prophet of the last days before the end of times"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Not me! I did with a Norwegian woman and it was fun --not that I want
> > to brag about it--* but I wouldn't with a Swedish woman, not because
> > she's Swedish, just because the casual disregard of the Swedish
> > authorities for the rights of men and political dissidents.
>
> You're punishing Swedish women by not sleeping with them because of
> the Swedish government?! I don't think they're going to lose much
> sleep over that. You got to stop eating those monkey brains. It's not
> good for you.

Wait a minute, if all the monkeys coordinate something together --this
is being posted throughout Europe & Africa-- and we boycott Swedish
women they may grow fatally bored and turn their resentment on the
government.

Do we have any other means to make them react? ;)

Well, I know one: Giving the Swedish government very bad PR.

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 5:31 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 22, 11:38 pm, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 11:24 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> > I charge TM with being the greatest asshole bore ever to infest Usenet. But
> > I can't help feeling sorry for the poor crazy bastard. After all, he doesn't
> > know any better, being the imbecile that he is. Folks, you cannot learn to
> > be this stupid, you have to be born to it.
>
> > TM needs to confine himself to just a couple of threads at most since all he
> > ever does is just post the same old shit over and over. It is also
> > incredibly stupid of him to think that anyone in this day and age is going
> > to relate to his animal metaphors. Where does such stupidity come from?
>
> > The most absurd of all his posts are his religious rants. My God, this poor
> > benighted moron is way too stupid to ever grasp anything as abstract as
> > religion. I think he might be able to grasp a monkey's ass and/or cock, but
> > surely that is it.
>
> > TM is nothing but a poor crazy bastard and if anyone wants to put him out of
> > his misery, he will have my blessing. But surely there is some motorist in
> > Florida who will accommodate us. And the sooner the better!
>
> > Regards,
>
> > Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> > aka
> > Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Since you are allowed to bear arms in the US, why don't you challenge
> the TM to a gun fight? As long as one of you gets killed, then we in
> the rest of the World won't have to put up with this rubbish any more!

I will win. Good triumphs over Evil.

Besides, who else will deliver the goods but the Wisdom of the Jungle.
You know the problem with bicycles goes much deeper than it seems and
it boils down to Wall Street and Big Oil, don't you?

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 7:33 am
From: TopBassDog

On Dec 21, 11:16 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 1:44 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> the deep jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Not me! I did with a Norwegian woman and it was fun --not that I want
> > to brag about it--* but I wouldn't with a Swedish woman, not because
> > she's Swedish, just because the casual disregard of the Swedish
> > authorities for the rights of men and political dissidents. We all
> > know Assange is trying to clean the world jungle, but the Swedish just
> > buckle under pressure from the big predators.
>
> I would sleep with a Swedish woman, especially if she looked like the
> blonde one (Agnetha) in Abba.

Pussy is pussy regardless of nationality.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 10:43 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 10:33 am, TopBassDog <topbass...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 21, 11:16 am, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 21, 1:44 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> > the deep jungle" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Not me! I did with a Norwegian woman and it was fun --not that I want
> > > to brag about it--* but I wouldn't with a Swedish woman, not because
> > > she's Swedish, just because the casual disregard of the Swedish
> > > authorities for the rights of men and political dissidents. We all
> > > know Assange is trying to clean the world jungle, but the Swedish just
> > > buckle under pressure from the big predators.
>
> > I would sleep with a Swedish woman, especially if she looked like the
> > blonde one (Agnetha) in Abba.
>
> Pussy is pussy regardless of nationality.

Oh no, Scandinavian pussy goes with nice looks and body. And they are
hot, maybe due to the cold and the mild temperament of the guys. Women
like Italians and Spanish, and of course, blacks.

But they have the best political system in the world.

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 2:14 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Derek C" <del.copeland@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:5fbff4fc-cf89-4bf8-bd97-ad0ee268569f@y23g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 21, 11:24 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
> I charge TM with being the greatest asshole bore ever to infest Usenet.
> But
> I can't help feeling sorry for the poor crazy bastard. After all, he
> doesn't
> know any better, being the imbecile that he is. Folks, you cannot learn to
> be this stupid, you have to be born to it.
>
> TM needs to confine himself to just a couple of threads at most since all
> he
> ever does is just post the same old shit over and over. It is also
> incredibly stupid of him to think that anyone in this day and age is going
> to relate to his animal metaphors. Where does such stupidity come from?
>
> The most absurd of all his posts are his religious rants. My God, this
> poor
> benighted moron is way too stupid to ever grasp anything as abstract as
> religion. I think he might be able to grasp a monkey's ass and/or cock,
> but
> surely that is it.
>
> TM is nothing but a poor crazy bastard and if anyone wants to put him out
> of
> his misery, he will have my blessing. But surely there is some motorist in
> Florida who will accommodate us. And the sooner the better!

>> Since you are allowed to bear arms in the US, why don't you challenge
the TM to a gun fight? As long as one of you gets killed, then we in
the rest of the World won't have to put up with this rubbish any more!

You miss my point entirely. TM REALLY is a poor crazy bastard. I am NOT
exaggerating. If you can't see it, then you are as crazy as he is.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 2:17 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
>Oh no, Scandinavian pussy goes with nice looks and body. And they are
hot, maybe due to the cold and the mild temperament of the guys. Women
like Italians and Spanish, and of course, blacks.

> But they have the best political system in the world.

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 2:21 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"Burr" <pitzpho@iwvisp.com> wrote in message
news:WKadnaJDyMrqX4_QnZ2dnUVZ_qadnZ2d@iwvisp.com...

ALL TOP POSTERS ARE IDIOTS!

> Dolan, you tell us you are a man of God and you say something like that!
>
> Maybe we all need to Pray For You that lightning won't hit you.

TM needs to be terminated. Only morons like you would say otherwise.

>> I pray every day that a motorist will run you over and kill you dead. We
>> need you on these newsgroups like we need another hole in our heads.
>>
>> Fucking Regards
>>
>> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>> aka
>> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 4:33 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

(Would you Ed, or you got into Masturbation for Peace?)

On Dec 23, 7:19 pm, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 5:16 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> the deep jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Do we have any other means to make them react? ;)
>
> The issue is with the government, not the masses.

That's the problem with democracy, which is meant to be government by
"the people," and when the governments fucks up you got no one to
blame. I say the sheep who vote are responsible as much as the
government.

Didn't Bush win with the support of "the people" the second time
around? Why don't they make plain and naked tyranny, to avoid the bad
PR?

Democracies in the West stand pretty naked anyway.

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 4:40 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"
<comandante.banana@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:f803fed8-7f38-4d28-927f-5beac6f34d6b@p1g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> (Would you Ed, or you got into Masturbation for Peace?)

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

> That's the problem with democracy, which is meant to be government by
> "the people," and when the governments fucks up you got no one to
> blame. I say the sheep who vote are responsible as much as the
> government.

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

> Didn't Bush win with the support of "the people" the second time
> around? Why don't they make plain and naked tyranny, to avoid the bad
> PR?

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

> Democracies in the West stand pretty naked anyway.

You've got shit for brains all right. Now what else is new?

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 4:55 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 7:33 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
the deep jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> (Would you Ed, or you got into Masturbation for Peace?)
>
> On Dec 23, 7:19 pm, xeno <69black...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 23, 5:16 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> > the deep jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Do we have any other means to make them react? ;)
>
> > The issue is with the government, not the masses.
>
> That's the problem with democracy, which is meant to be government by
> "the people," and when the governments fucks up you got no one to
> blame. I say the sheep who vote are responsible as much as the
> government.
>
> Didn't Bush win with the support of "the people" the second time
> around? Why don't they make plain and naked tyranny, to avoid the bad
> PR?
>
> Democracies in the West stand pretty naked anyway.

The moment of truth, yes or no?

Would you use condom?

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 6:25 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey,

> Would you use condom?

Put a condom on your mouth, you freaking shithead!

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: Is People Afraid of the Truth?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b04879810a6cd83e?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 6:54 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 9:07 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 22, 11:12 am, "davenort...@gmail.com" <davenort...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Currently, in many quarters, Christianity is updating its theology
> > in light of New and Old Testament studies as well as modern science.
>
> > In this regard, there is a tendency to regard much of scripture as
> > symbolic or metaphorical. Of coarse, the Devil is now correctly
> > downgraded from a reality to a representation of the human experience
> > of evil in life. Including suffering, temptation etc.
>
> > To my mind, certain types of evil such as world wars are so horrendous
> > that the human mind is pushed beyond factual description to symbolic
> > and poetic language, for example myth. What else can you do when you
> > affirm God is all powerful and all good and the evil encountered seems to
> > strongly counter that faith. So, though I've long ago abandoned belief in
> > the Devil, I can readily understand why our forbears believed in a real
> > Devil roaming the world to tempt and to destroy. Something the uneducated
> > non-scientific masses of the middle and ancient ages could believe. And, at
> > the same time, the heat was taken off the Church and theologians because
> > the Devil, not God, "did it."
>
> So, in your mind, it makes perfect sense that ancient uneducated
> people anthropomorphized pain and suffering, but joy and peace come
> from a real being, no anthropomorphism here... Why the dichotomy?
>
> Come on, you are so close!
> One down, one to go!

I don't think he'll take the jump because many people are afraid of
the truth. Many people actually hide from it if it threatens their
lifestyle or requires some major mental overhaul. The most they dare
is a tuneup. ;)

Same point is demonstrated with Assange. Many people are simply afraid
of the truth for the same reasons. "What will happen if I must see the
ugly beast?" Climate Change is a similar issue...

This hiding from the truth though is what is threatening us with
extinction. At some point you must become a li-on hunter (hunter of
the lie). I just got to jump on the lion and expose the beast. The lie
may have been a defense mechanism in evolution, but it's not working
anymore.

Enough for the Wisdom of the Jungle, off I go in my monkey bike.

---------------------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 11:00 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 11:20 am, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> jungle:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 23, 9:07 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 22, 11:12 am, "davenort...@gmail.com" <davenort...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Currently, in many quarters, Christianity is updating its theology
> >> > in light of New and Old Testament studies as well as modern science.
>
> >> > In this regard, there is a tendency to regard much of scripture as
> >> > symbolic or metaphorical. Of coarse, the Devil is now correctly
> >> > downgraded from a reality to a representation of the human experience
> >> > of evil in life. Including suffering, temptation etc.
>
> >> > To my mind, certain types of evil such as world wars are so
> >> > horrendous
> >> > that the human mind is pushed beyond factual description to symbolic
> >> > and poetic language, for example myth. What else can you do when you
> >> > affirm God is all powerful and all good and the evil encountered
> >> > seems to strongly counter that faith. So, though I've long ago
> >> > abandoned belief in the Devil, I can readily understand why our
> >> > forbears believed in a real Devil roaming the world to tempt and to
> >> > destroy. Something the uneducated non-scientific masses of the
> >> > middle and ancient ages could believe. And, at the same time, the
> >> > heat was taken off the Church and theologians because the Devil, not
> >> > God, "did it."
>
> >> So, in your mind, it makes perfect sense that ancient uneducated people
> >> anthropomorphized pain and suffering, but joy and peace come from a
> >> real being, no anthropomorphism here... Why the dichotomy?
>
> >> Come on, you are so close!
> >> One down, one to go!
>
> > I don't think he'll take the jump because many people are afraid of the
> > truth. Many people actually hide from it if it threatens their lifestyle
> > or requires some major mental overhaul. The most they dare is a tuneup.
> > ;)
>
> > Same point is demonstrated with Assange. Many people are simply afraid
> > of the truth for the same reasons. "What will happen if I must see the
> > ugly beast?" Climate Change is a similar issue...
>
> > This hiding from the truth though is what is threatening us with
> > extinction. At some point you must become a li-on hunter (hunter of the
> > lie). I just got to jump on the lion and expose the beast. The lie may
> > have been a defense mechanism in evolution, but it's not working
> > anymore.
>
> > Enough for the Wisdom of the Jungle, off I go in my monkey bike.
>
> I'm still seeing an implicit assumption that humans are sane.
>
> This is a common failing of religious and philosophical debate.
>
> If we started by assuming the human mind is as much a collection of
> distorted components that did not (in this instance) result in rapid
> extinction (IOW, a lucky break for this species), as the human body is,
> then we might get somewhere.

80% are dumb and 20% are crazy, who are the people that create.

In order to get somewhere we must leave the primitive mind behind,
which means no magical explanations of events. I think someone like
Einstein could lead the world instead of our political leaders versed
in winning elections and wiping out the opposition.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 11:19 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 1:58 pm, SkyEyes <skyey...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Dec 23, 7:52 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of
> the deep jungle" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> In reply to "Is People Afraid of the Truth?":
>
> Yes. The truth is that education is falling by the wayside. That
> truth scares the livin' shit out of me.

Lack of idealism worries me even more. In this world and age, there's
two kinds of people: THOSE WITH MONEY AND THOSE WITHOUT IT.

Education is only an instrument for living good.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 11:50 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 23, 2:38 pm, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> Responding to His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> jungle:
>
>
>
> > On Dec 23, 11:20 am, Mike Jones <l...@dasteem.invalid> wrote:
> >> Responding to His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep
> >> jungle:
>
> >> > On Dec 23, 9:07 am, Answer_42 <ipu.belie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Dec 22, 11:12 am, "davenort...@gmail.com" <davenort...@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Currently, in many quarters, Christianity is updating its
> >> >> > theology
> >> >> > in light of New and Old Testament studies as well as modern
> >> >> > science.
>
> >> >> > In this regard, there is a tendency to regard much of
> >> >> > scripture as
> >> >> > symbolic or metaphorical. Of coarse, the Devil is now correctly
> >> >> > downgraded from a reality to a representation of the human
> >> >> > experience of evil in life. Including suffering, temptation etc.
>
> >> >> > To my mind, certain types of evil such as world wars are so
> >> >> > horrendous
> >> >> > that the human mind is pushed beyond factual description to
> >> >> > symbolic and poetic language, for example myth. What else can you
> >> >> > do when you affirm God is all powerful and all good and the evil
> >> >> > encountered seems to strongly counter that faith. So, though
> >> >> > I've long ago abandoned belief in the Devil, I can readily
> >> >> > understand why our forbears believed in a real Devil roaming the
> >> >> > world to tempt and to destroy. Something the uneducated
> >> >> > non-scientific masses of the middle and ancient ages could
> >> >> > believe. And, at the same time, the heat was taken off the
> >> >> > Church and theologians because the Devil, not God, "did it."
>
> >> >> So, in your mind, it makes perfect sense that ancient uneducated
> >> >> people anthropomorphized pain and suffering, but joy and peace come
> >> >> from a real being, no anthropomorphism here... Why the dichotomy?
>
> >> >> Come on, you are so close!
> >> >> One down, one to go!
>
> >> > I don't think he'll take the jump because many people are afraid of
> >> > the truth. Many people actually hide from it if it threatens their
> >> > lifestyle or requires some major mental overhaul. The most they dare
> >> > is a tuneup. ;)
>
> >> > Same point is demonstrated with Assange. Many people are simply
> >> > afraid of the truth for the same reasons. "What will happen if I must
> >> > see the ugly beast?" Climate Change is a similar issue...
>
> >> > This hiding from the truth though is what is threatening us with
> >> > extinction. At some point you must become a li-on hunter (hunter of
> >> > the lie). I just got to jump on the lion and expose the beast. The
> >> > lie may have been a defense mechanism in evolution, but it's not
> >> > working anymore.
>
> >> > Enough for the Wisdom of the Jungle, off I go in my monkey bike.
>
> >> I'm still seeing an implicit assumption that humans are sane.
>
> >> This is a common failing of religious and philosophical debate.
>
> >> If we started by assuming the human mind is as much a collection of
> >> distorted components that did not (in this instance) result in rapid
> >> extinction (IOW, a lucky break for this species), as the human body is,
> >> then we might get somewhere.
>
> > 80% are dumb and 20% are crazy, who are the people that create.
>
> > In order to get somewhere we must leave the primitive mind behind, which
> > means no magical explanations of events. I think someone like Einstein
> > could lead the world instead of our political leaders versed in winning
> > elections and wiping out the opposition.
>
> There are plenty of better alternatives to the traditional types that
> "lead us". Unfortunately, its generally the psychopaths that "go the
> extra mile" to grasp the reigns of power.
>
> The only mechanism we have to swing things away from this kind of
> perpetual result is an educated population with a capacity for
> independant thought, and understanding of our animal instincts, and
> civilised dialogue.
>
> Maybe we need to vote for domestic cats next time.

You are expecting too much from education. You must first change the
political climate.

Whoever is in charge I want him to have this motto:

"Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep
moving" -A. Einstein

It seems we live in a world willing to sacrifice the whole of humanity
not to change a bit and make room for the bike and other clever ideas.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 12:26 pm
From: "john brook"

Last year at christmas time I tried to send a photo by email to a lot of
people, maybe 80 or so. My way of sending out christmas cards.

I remember some problems because my email program seemed to think that
because I wanted to send a lot, I was spaming and so restricted how many I
could send out at one time.

What would be the best email program to use to send these 'cards': Hotmail,
or Yahoo or GMail?
Or would there be another better way. Thanks for advice.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 1:19 pm
From: Michael Black

On Thu, 23 Dec 2010, john brook wrote:

> Last year at christmas time I tried to send a photo by email to a lot of
> people, maybe 80 or so. My way of sending out christmas cards.
>
> I remember some problems because my email program seemed to think that
> because I wanted to send a lot, I was spaming and so restricted how many I
> could send out at one time.
>
> What would be the best email program to use to send these 'cards': Hotmail,
> or Yahoo or GMail?
> Or would there be another better way. Thanks for advice.
>
It rightfully considers it spam, since you are sending the same thing
to so many people.

Personalize each "card" and the problem will go away.

Michael

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 1:27 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

john brook wrote:

> Last year at christmas time I tried to send a photo by email to a lot
> of people, maybe 80 or so. My way of sending out christmas cards.

> I remember some problems because my email program seemed to think that because I wanted to send a lot, I was spaming
> and so restricted how many I could send out at one time.

> What would be the best email program to use to send these 'cards': Hotmail, or Yahoo or GMail?

I prefer to use a PC based email program like Outlook Express
and an email system like gmail that accepts POP3 email.

Gmail handles spam much better than yahoo does and something
like Xmas cards is sure to end up on some systems that dont have
proper virus checking, so you could well get quite a bit of spam back.

Important to use the BCC field so the everyone cant see your list of who you send cards to.

> Or would there be another better way.

Yes, just put the pic on one of the pic sites and put just a link in the emails.

Or dont bother with Xmas cards at all.

> Thanks for advice.

Even advice to shove your head up a dead bear's arse ? Funky.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 2:35 pm
From: Max

On Dec 23, 3:26 pm, "john brook" <bluestar...@mail.invalid> wrote:
> Last year at christmas time I tried to send a photo by email to a lot of
> people, maybe 80 or so. My way of sending out christmas cards.
>
> I remember some problems because my email program seemed to think that
> because I wanted to send a lot, I was spaming and so restricted how many I
> could send out at one time.
>
> What would be the best email program to use to send these 'cards': Hotmail,
> or Yahoo or GMail?
> Or would there be another better way. Thanks for advice.

Forget USPS.
Forget E-mail too.
I use ESP and send out thousands at no cost on Christmas Eve.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Dec 23 2010 2:36 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:m534h6ddkid5h33rj0o2tkdgnslhll4su6@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:31:19 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
> wrote:
[...]
>>I categorically reject your entire line of thinking on this issue. The
>>Iraqis were treated worse than cattle under Saddam and his tribal group
>>and
>>they took it for decades without a peep. We Americans must appear like
>>Santa
>>Claus to them.
>>
>>The main thing that is wrong with American foreign policy is our bent for
>>wanting to do good in the world. I would go for just doing what is good
>>for
>>us and everyone else be damned. What I fear is that Iraq may want us to
>>stay
>>in their god forsaken country forever and then clamor to become our 51st
>>State.
>>
>>Liberals like you do not have a clue about how the world works.
>
> Of course they suffered under Saddam, that's why we worked with the
> British to install him in the first place. But it helped our oil
> companies and that's why we did it. In fact, for all the lying about
> why we needed to go to war with Iraq, the only real reason was one we
> didn't use, that we put him in and had the right to take him out.

You obviously are an idiot.

> Do you have any cites for believing that the Iraqis think we are Santa
> Claus or that they want us to stay? Do you actually even believe that?

In the good old days when a regime was replaced by force of an invasion, all
the principals were slaughtered. Instead, we give them vacations in places
like Guantanamo. The fact of the matter is that we Americans do not have a
clue about how to treat our enemies. Ideally we should just kill them,
something that all previous peoples have known how to do.

Regards.

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 21 2010 9:46 pm
From: aesthete8

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 3:23 pm
From: vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com

Kepe in mind a lot of cheaper netbooks don't use the regular intle-like chip,
but instead use the mobile-device ARM chip, and WinCE not WinXP. What that
means is not all the software you might need will work. You might try
sourceforge.net first to see if they have what you need in an ARM version.

If you are going to go for ARM, consider the 'A-Pad's which use Android.

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 12:26 am
From: no-spam@sonic.net (Fake ID)

In article <4d114d6c$0$29073$88263eea@blocknews.net>,
Terri Smith <ts8 at soalex.us> wrote:
>Not looking for help, just want to warn other of a problem I ran into.
>
>Long time user of TracFone. Recently renewed my service and added minutes
>at cost of $152 Phone shows expected expriation date and minutes.
>
>A short time later unexpected minutes appeared on phone then tracfone
>disabled service. They admit it was their error but won't enable service
>unless I send a money order for over $100. Not willing to do that. They
>say it's my only option. They won't remove the minutes they added in error,
>they won't give me the money back and they won't enable the phone. Besides
>losing the $152, I'm losing all the carry-over minutes I had
>
>FWIW, I have spent many hours on the phone trying to resolve this. Years
>ago TF would have fixed this. Not sure whats changed but even the call
>center folks seem upset that they don't have authority to fix this.
>
>Also - TF never told me service was disabled - found out when I tried to
>make a call.

Their call center CS drones will be of no use.
You need to talk to their people in Miami, used to be called Executive
Resolutions.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 8:49 am
From: "Anthony R. Gold"

Maybe your problem with TracFone is connected with a difficulty in expressing
yourself clearly. You said that you had already paid for renewed service and
you also paid for added minutes but you have not explained anything about the
money order, why it is being requested or what that money would pay for. Is
this new money for something different or replacement money for something
that had been accidentally refunded. Anyway, good luck.

On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 20:12:03 -0500, " Terri Smith" <ts8 at soalex.us> wrote:

> Not looking for help, just want to warn other of a problem I ran into.
>
> Long time user of TracFone. Recently renewed my service and added minutes
> at cost of $152 Phone shows expected expriation date and minutes.
>
> A short time later unexpected minutes appeared on phone then tracfone
> disabled service. They admit it was their error but won't enable service
> unless I send a money order for over $100. Not willing to do that. They
> say it's my only option. They won't remove the minutes they added in error,
> they won't give me the money back and they won't enable the phone. Besides
> losing the $152, I'm losing all the carry-over minutes I had
>
> FWIW, I have spent many hours on the phone trying to resolve this. Years
> ago TF would have fixed this. Not sure whats changed but even the call
> center folks seem upset that they don't have authority to fix this.
>
> Also - TF never told me service was disabled - found out when I tried to
> make a call.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To: "TracFone Customer Service" <Custsrv@tracfone.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:30 PM
> Subject: Re: Other Inoperable Equipment (KMM[ ]L7KM)
>
> Trouble Ticket Ref #174111
>
> FOR THE RECORD - The issue was discussed. It was NOT resolved.
>
> I continue to await a call from the department that has the authority to
> resolve the problem.
>
> Thank you for keeping the trouble ticket open
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "TracFone Customer Service" <Custsrv@tracfone.com>
> To:
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Other Inoperable Equipment (KMM [ ]L7KM)
>
>
> Dear ,
>
> Thank you for your interest in TracFone Wireless. We are responding to
> your recent inquiry.
>
> We would like to take this opportunity to apologize for any
> inconvenience you may have experienced with this issue. As per our
> conversation on 12/21/2010 around 5:03 PM EST , your
> issue was addressed.
>
> If you have any further questions or concerns, please contact one of our
> customer care representatives at 1-888-251-8164. For your convenience,
> our representatives are available Monday-Sunday from 8:00 AM to 10:45 PM
> EST.
>
> Thank you for being a TracFone Wireless customer. We appreciate your
> business.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> TracFone Wireless
>
>
>
> Original Message Follows:
> ------------------------
> Issue Category:
> Inoperable Equipment
> Specific Issue:
> Other Inoperable Equipment
> Brief description of issue:
> Per Trouble Ticket Ref #[ ] I was suppose to get a call from
> Tracfone I have not gotten this call
> ESN or IMEI:
>

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 10:50 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Anthony R. Gold wrote:

> Maybe your problem with TracFone is connected with a difficulty
> in expressing yourself clearly. You said that you had already paid
> for renewed service and you also paid for added minutes but you
> have not explained anything about the money order, why it is being
> requested or what that money would pay for. Is this new money for
> something different or replacement money for something that had
> been accidentally refunded.

She appears to be saying that they credited her with many more minutes
than she had initially paid for in error and that they refuse to correct that
and want her to pay for those extra minutes they added in error.

Hopeless customer service if thats what happened, presumably
the droid cant work out how to reverse the error and hasnt got
the balls to admit to their supervisor that they cant fix the error,
or the supervisor is just as completely hopeless.

I believe that she said that pretty clear, that she got
extra minutes in error and that they wont fix that error.

Maybe their system wont allow the droids to do that so the droids
cant fiddle with the minutes and do so for people they know.

> Anyway, good luck.

> Terri Smith <ts8 at soalex.us> wrote

>> Not looking for help, just want to warn other of a problem I ran into.

>> Long time user of TracFone. Recently renewed my service and added minutes
>> at cost of $152 Phone shows expected expriation date and minutes.

>> A short time later unexpected minutes appeared on phone then tracfone
>> disabled service. They admit it was their error but won't enable
>> service unless I send a money order for over $100. Not willing to
>> do that. They say it's my only option. They won't remove the
>> minutes they added in error, they won't give me the money back and
>> they won't enable the phone. Besides losing the $152, I'm losing
>> all the carry-over minutes I had

>> FWIW, I have spent many hours on the phone trying to resolve this.
>> Years ago TF would have fixed this. Not sure whats changed but even
>> the call center folks seem upset that they don't have authority to fix this.

>> Also - TF never told me service was disabled - found out when I tried to make a call.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> To: "TracFone Customer Service" <Custsrv@tracfone.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: Other Inoperable Equipment (KMM[ ]L7KM)
>>
>> Trouble Ticket Ref #174111
>>
>> FOR THE RECORD - The issue was discussed. It was NOT resolved.
>>
>> I continue to await a call from the department that has the
>> authority to resolve the problem.
>>
>> Thank you for keeping the trouble ticket open
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "TracFone Customer Service" <Custsrv@tracfone.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: Other Inoperable Equipment (KMM [ ]L7KM)
>>
>>
>> Dear ,
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in TracFone Wireless. We are responding
>> to
>> your recent inquiry.
>>
>> We would like to take this opportunity to apologize for any
>> inconvenience you may have experienced with this issue. As per our
>> conversation on 12/21/2010 around 5:03 PM EST , your
>> issue was addressed.
>>
>> If you have any further questions or concerns, please contact one of
>> our customer care representatives at 1-888-251-8164. For your
>> convenience,
>> our representatives are available Monday-Sunday from 8:00 AM to
>> 10:45 PM EST.
>>
>> Thank you for being a TracFone Wireless customer. We appreciate your
>> business.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> TracFone Wireless
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message Follows:
>> ------------------------
>> Issue Category:
>> Inoperable Equipment
>> Specific Issue:
>> Other Inoperable Equipment
>> Brief description of issue:
>> Per Trouble Ticket Ref #[ ] I was suppose to get a call from
>> Tracfone I have not gotten this call
>> ESN or IMEI:

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 11:34 am
From: " Terri Smith"

Yes - I paid for 2 yrs and got 3. They have cut off all service until I
send MO for 3rd yr. (Also 2 yrs was $76/yr - they want ~ $120 for 3rd yr)

I'm not willing to send MO and they won't return the $152

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8nevtmF5o6U1@mid.individual.net...
Anthony R. Gold wrote:

She appears to be saying that they credited her with many more minutes
than she had initially paid for in error and that they refuse to correct
that
and want her to pay for those extra minutes they added in error.

I believe that she said that pretty clear, that she got
extra minutes in error and that they wont fix that error.

Maybe their system wont allow the droids to do that so the droids
cant fiddle with the minutes and do so for people they know.

> Anyway, good luck.

> Terri Smith <ts8 at soalex.us> wrote

>> Not looking for help, just want to warn other of a problem I ran into.

>> Long time user of TracFone. Recently renewed my service and added
>> minutes
>> at cost of $152 Phone shows expected expriation date and minutes.

>> Also - TF never told me service was disabled - found out when I tried to
>> make a call.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From:
>> To: "TracFone Customer Service" <Custsrv@tracfone.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 6:30 PM
>> Subject: Re: Other Inoperable Equipment (KMM[ ]L7KM)
>>
>> Trouble Ticket Ref #174111
>>
>> FOR THE RECORD - The issue was discussed. It was NOT resolved.
>>
>> I continue to await a call from the department that has the
>> authority to resolve the problem.
>>
>> Thank you for keeping the trouble ticket open
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "TracFone Customer Service" <Custsrv@tracfone.com>
>> To:
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 5:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: Other Inoperable Equipment (KMM [ ]L7KM)
>>
>>
>> Dear ,
>>
>> Thank you for your interest in TracFone Wireless. We are responding
>> to
>> your recent inquiry.
>>
>> We would like to take this opportunity to apologize for any
>> inconvenience you may have experienced with this issue. As per our
>> conversation on 12/21/2010 around 5:03 PM EST , your
>> issue was addressed.
>>
>> If you have any further questions or concerns, please contact one of
>> our customer care representatives at 1-888-251-8164. For your
>> convenience,
>> our representatives are available Monday-Sunday from 8:00 AM to
>> 10:45 PM EST.
>>
>> Thank you for being a TracFone Wireless customer. We appreciate your
>> business.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> TracFone Wireless
>>
>>
>>
>> Original Message Follows:
>> ------------------------
>> Issue Category:
>> Inoperable Equipment
>> Specific Issue:
>> Other Inoperable Equipment
>> Brief description of issue:
>> Per Trouble Ticket Ref #[ ] I was suppose to get a call from
>> Tracfone I have not gotten this call
>> ESN or IMEI:

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 4:44 pm
From: danny burstein

In <4d124fc9$0$16609$88263eea@blocknews.net> " Terri Smith" <ts8 at soalex.us> writes:

>Yes - I paid for 2 yrs and got 3. They have cut off all service until I
>send MO for 3rd yr. (Also 2 yrs was $76/yr - they want ~ $120 for 3rd yr)

>I'm not willing to send MO and they won't return the $152

If you've spent, as you say, hours on the phone with them,
then you've spent way too many hours wasting your time.

After five minutes and two or three calls, the proper
step is simply to drop a note to your State Attorney
General and ask them to intervene.

Much simpler. Much more effective.

--
_____________________________________________________
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== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 5:00 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <4d114d6c$0$29073$88263eea@blocknews.net>,
" Terri Smith" <ts8 at soalex.us> wrote:

That's ridiculous. If I were you, I would sue TF in small claims court.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 12:55 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon wrote
> Tru Dat <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote

>> of course you don't want an outside door to open directly into the
>> great outdoors. We made a little space outside with another door.
>> It's a great space to leave shoes and boots. and firewood. Etc.
>> It sure buffers the cold winds.

> How hard would it be to add one of these as a DIY project?

Very easy. One of the easier DIY projects.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 8:03 am
From: Tru Dat

In article <8ndsonFj14U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> Gordon wrote
> > Tru Dat <georgeswk@toast.net> wrote
>
> >> of course you don't want an outside door to open directly into the
> >> great outdoors. We made a little space outside with another door.
> >> It's a great space to leave shoes and boots. and firewood. Etc.
> >> It sure buffers the cold winds.
>
> > How hard would it be to add one of these as a DIY project?
>
> Very easy. One of the easier DIY projects.

Yes, look for a "second" door or maybe a nice used one. Tempered Glass
is probably a good idea. And some go for a double keyed dead bolt.
--
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 5:45 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

Yes, it could work fairly well in places such as Northern Europe and
Canada, but for the most part it is plagued by corruption and
indifference in rich nations and it brings total chaos to little
nations such as Haiti and Ivory Coast...

UNITED NATIONS – U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon warned Tuesday
that the Ivory Coast faces "a real risk" of return to civil war with
mercenaries being recruited from neighboring countries.

Ban thanked the U.N. General Assembly for its support for Africa's
position, backed by the U.N., that opposition leader Alassane Ouattara
defeated President Laurent Gbagbo in the recent election.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101221/ap_on_re_us/un_un_ivory_coast

***

For the average Western citizen there's no escape from consumption and
pollution, and elsewhere it puts survival to the test. I TORE OFF MY
DRIVER'S LICENSE and I will try to survive with my folding bike for a
while. Today it seemed as if I rode head on at a car, but it swerved.
I wasn't suicidal, just that there were pedestrians on the sidewalk
and I made a dash to pass them.

But things like that go unnoticed around here. A fancy mixed path is
built with little benefit to the community, but it's left unfinished
where you must take chances on sidewalks. Indifference and corruption
are a way of life.

THE DEEP JUNGLE LIES UNDER THE DEMOCRATIC IDEAL.

----------------------------------------------

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 8:36 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

This is an interesting take on the role of evolution in our daily
choices:

'Today's economics is "hunter economics." We need to move to a more
holistic "hunter-gatherer economics." That means providing an account
of all the discernment and selection women bring to shopping, dating
back to their training, millenia ago, in the art of telling one tiny
poisonous red berry from another tiny, slightly less red, but non-
poisonous berry.'

http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/05/28/the-hunter-gatherer-theory-of-markets-and-shopping/

It doesn't say it there, but I interpret that the SUV is the hunting
tool of choice among men, and some women.

A bicycle, by contrast, would be about gathering. The problem is how
difficult it is for the gatherers to survive among the hunters.

How do we move to gathering as an acceptable way of life? We need
livable communities first of all, not gated communities. My campaign
of 'BIKE LOCALLY, BUY LOCALLY' makes sense once again.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 10:00 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 22, 11:55 am, "love&peace" <williamu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> And while the reverse is slow and, of course, painful, one wish the
> jungle is selectively cleared to spared some edible fruits for the
> monkeys.And come to think of it, one might be tempted to join you in
> the jungle; except that dictatorship rules its citizens.

The jungle offers both a temptation and a danger to the monkey. He
wisely remains on the treetops from which he has a vantage point. He
knows the dangers and the traps in the jungle as well as where
conditions are fairly clear.

Some gorillas have offered a solution only to turn out worse. The
choice is not A or B, but A, B or C. Those who offer to get rid of all
predators are predators themselves.

Now let's take a country as example, say Brazil, where conditions are
mostly jungle. The city of Curitiba is an example of civilization
where in other cities gangs run the drug trade. First step though is
to determine something IS a jungle and take it from there...

Say that Japan, Canada and Northern Europe are not a jungle and
proceed to apply solutions everywhere. Gated Communities and SUVs are
a sure sign of jungle (gorillas in the midst) as it is the lack of
healthcare. Oh, we don't need to fight a War on Drugs, which creates
the most dangerous conditions.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 5:57 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

(A famous character in the wisdom of the jungle is the hunter-
gatherer, which is some sort of "missing link" in the Christian fairy
tales)

I went hunting for related info and I found this...

(shopping at the supermarket)

"By the time you have finished your list has become obsolete and your
trolley overflowing once again with lots of things that will sit in
cupboards and freezers until your next clear out.

So why do we let this happen to us time and time again? I think it's
the hunter-gather in us. Nowadays we hunt and gather in shops instead
of forests but we still like the thrill of the hunt. Now the hunt is
for offers and getting something we think is valuable for less. We
don't like to feel we are missing out on something so we will buy it
telling ourselves we have saved money, so it's a good thing.
Supermarkets play on our desire for a bargain and we fall for it every
time."

http://ezinearticles.com/?Shopping---The-Hunter---Gatherer-Effect&id=482575

***

So the predators know what makes the people buy, but the Christians
don't have a clue. That's the price of ignoring our past and the
effect of our hunting practices. The hunter comes when they get in
their SUV with all the gathered stuff. A bicycle, on the other hand,
would put a limit on the bags to be carried.

One more time the Wisdom of the Jungle comes handy in our daily
choices. ;)

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 6:29 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"

On Dec 22, 8:42 am, "love&peace" <williamu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> There has to be areas in the jungle where one might hide to watch the
> monkeys and the predators. Some of these predators are fanatical
> ideological hunters who prefer genocide against monkeys than caging
> them.If no rules exist to regulate hunting and no shrubs for forest
> guards to ambush the poachers, they might one day fly to the moon and
> mars to hunt down 'Odyssey' and 'his' friends. Assange should expose
> the poachers and the mischief making monkeys but leave the forests
> alone. otherwise, we may end up in the desert.

I don't think Assange can deliver a fatal blow to democracy/
capitalism. All it does it expose what is really behind it, namely BIG
MONEY & CORRUPTION. From here capitalism can turn more toward
TOTALITARIANISM (all those calling for his elimination sound like the
old guard communists) or HUMANISM in which some sort of morality rules
the place.

It exposed the shit going on in the deep jungle...

"WikiLeaks: Lockerbie Bomber Freed after Threats"

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20024926-503543.html

***

Don't you want to know stuff like this? I always though the jungle was
a dark, secret place, but not this much.

Democracy/capitalism will deliver us a long agonizing death (maybe
taking a few generations) due to the hungry nature of the system, and
the radicals offer a quick passage to the other world mostly to
satisfy their concept of god. Maybe if we are lucky we go into a
nuclear war with China or something and get it over with.

Ironically, our hunger will affect first the most democratic nation,
where at least you have an option to ride a bicycle everywhere:
Holland.

Is there any morality or fairness in the world?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 7:31 pm
From: "Burr"

Dolan, you tell us you are a man of God and you say something like that!

Maybe we all need to Pray For You that lightning won't hit you.

--
Burr
Big, Lean, Mean and Clean.
I Push Iron and Turn Cranks
I'll be lifting until they pry the
bar from my cold dead hands
Adventure before Dementia

I'm a member of The Tea Party, I VOTE

"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:9ddd3$4d117ebc$d8106f5c$4008@KNOLOGY.NET...
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
> [...]
>> Bet you would if she were fat and dumb enough
> Actually she was "chubby but yummy," and she was not very bright. She
> was stunningly beautiful though.
>
>> Maybe she put a spell on me. I know this type of ladies are not CIA. ;)
>
> I pray every day that a motorist will run you over and kill you dead. We
> need you on these newsgroups like we need another hole in our heads.
>
> Fucking Regards
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 8:38 pm
From: Derek C

On Dec 21, 11:24 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the prophet of the deep jungle"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>
> I charge TM with being the greatest asshole bore ever to infest Usenet. But
> I can't help feeling sorry for the poor crazy bastard. After all, he doesn't
> know any better, being the imbecile that he is. Folks, you cannot learn to
> be this stupid, you have to be born to it.
>
> TM needs to confine himself to just a couple of threads at most since all he
> ever does is just post the same old shit over and over. It is also
> incredibly stupid of him to think that anyone in this day and age is going
> to relate to his animal metaphors. Where does such stupidity come from?
>
> The most absurd of all his posts are his religious rants. My God, this poor
> benighted moron is way too stupid to ever grasp anything as abstract as
> religion. I think he might be able to grasp a monkey's ass and/or cock, but
> surely that is it.
>
> TM is nothing but a poor crazy bastard and if anyone wants to put him out of
> his misery, he will have my blessing. But surely there is some motorist in
> Florida who will accommodate us. And the sooner the better!
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Since you are allowed to bear arms in the US, why don't you challenge
the TM to a gun fight? As long as one of you gets killed, then we in
the rest of the World won't have to put up with this rubbish any more!

Derek C

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 22 2010 6:39 am
From: dgk

On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 15:31:19 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
wrote:

>"dgk" <dgk@somewhere.com> wrote in message
>news:mad1h6ddnq85ua5s2bgih6pcmnnl5hv083@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:22:17 -0600, "Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net>
>> wrote:
>[...]
>>>Terrorism is what people do when they do not have a clue about what is
>>>wrong
>>>with them. You bet I'm OK with killing those who would kill us.
>>
>> Too much to write about at one time so I'll just choose this. You
>> missed the whole point. They want to kill us because of things that
>> we've done. If I were an Iraqi boy and my parents died because of what
>> we've done to Iraq, I would certainly try to kill Americans to make up
>> for it. What we've done makes us less safe, not more safe. And it
>> wasn't done for any altruistic reason, it was done for profit.
>
>I categorically reject your entire line of thinking on this issue. The
>Iraqis were treated worse than cattle under Saddam and his tribal group and
>they took it for decades without a peep. We Americans must appear like Santa
>Claus to them.
>
>The main thing that is wrong with American foreign policy is our bent for
>wanting to do good in the world. I would go for just doing what is good for
>us and everyone else be damned. What I fear is that Iraq may want us to stay
>in their god forsaken country forever and then clamor to become our 51st
>State.
>
>Liberals like you do not have a clue about how the world works.
>
>Regards,
>
>Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
>aka
>Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
>
Of course they suffered under Saddam, that's why we worked with the
British to install him in the first place. But it helped our oil
companies and that's why we did it. In fact, for all the lying about
why we needed to go to war with Iraq, the only real reason was one we
didn't use, that we put him in and had the right to take him out.

Do you have any cites for believing that the Iraqis think we are Santa
Claus or that they want us to stay? Do you actually even believe that?
>

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