Frugal Living: Oct 7, 2007

Sunday, October 7, 2007

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* 5 Myths About Sick Old Europe - 4 messages, 2 authors
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* Ron Paul... - 10 messages, 7 authors
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TOPIC: 5 Myths About Sick Old Europe
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:06 pm
From: Don S

Joe wrote:
> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
> rich.
> Read about it at http://Muvy.org
>
I have been to Italy, France and Spain and I will take the U.S.A. over
them all, any day.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:16:27 -0400, the renowned Blash
> <blash1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>>
>>> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
>>> rich.
>>
>> AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>> The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......
>
> Based on foreigners coming as a percentage of population, Syria is 20
> times as attractive than the US. Must be all the freedom.

Or it might just be a hell of a lot easier for those who move there to get in there.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:19 pm
From: Don S

Rod Speed wrote:

> Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:16:27 -0400, the renowned Blash
>><blash1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
>>>>rich.
>>>
>>>AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>>>The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......
>>
>>Based on foreigners coming as a percentage of population, Syria is 20
>>times as attractive than the US. Must be all the freedom.
>
>
> Or it might just be a hell of a lot easier for those who move there to get in there.
>
>
No its the terrorist from Iran moving in to try to take over the country.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:56 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Don S <nospam@verizon.net> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> Spehro Pefhany <speffSNIP@interlogDOTyou.knowwhat> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:16:27 -0400, the renowned Blash
>>> <blash1@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not
>>>>> filthy rich.
>>>>
>>>> AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>>>> The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......
>>>
>>> Based on foreigners coming as a percentage of population, Syria is
>>> 20 times as attractive than the US. Must be all the freedom.
>>
>>
>> Or it might just be a hell of a lot easier for those who move there
>> to get in there.
> No

Yep. Much easier for most of those in adjacent countrys
to get into Syria than for anyone to get into the US.

> its the terrorist from Iran moving in to try to take over the country.

Thanks for that completely superfluous proof that you have
never ever had a fucking clue about anything at all, ever.

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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:21 pm
From: "Herb Kauhry"

Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/ in all.
Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL on
20% of the things he should have.

<aaaaaaaadftdfgdfgdfgdfgdgdf@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:1191576007.176964.324420@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> Has never voted to raise taxes.
> Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
> Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
> Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
> Has never taken a government-paid junket.
> Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
> Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
> Returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
> U.S. treasury every year.
> Voted against the Patriot Act.
> Voted against the Iraq war.
>
> http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
>

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:35 pm
From: George Grapman

Herb Kauhry wrote:
> Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/ in all.
> Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL on
> 20% of the things he should have.
>

Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:01 pm
From: "Leon Baker"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
news:MXeOi.5096$4V6.1254@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> Herb Kauhry wrote:
>> Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
>> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/ in
>> all.
>> Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL
>> on
>> 20% of the things he should have.
>>
>
>
> Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against allowing
> Medicare to negotiate drug prices.

Could that be because the government has no business being in the healthcare
business???

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:15 pm
From: John McWilliams

Leon Baker wrote:
> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:MXeOi.5096$4V6.1254@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>> Herb Kauhry wrote:
>>> Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
>>> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/ in
>>> all.
>>> Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT ALL
>>> on
>>> 20% of the things he should have.
>>>
>>
>> Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against allowing
>> Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
>
>
> Could that be because the government has no business being in the healthcare
> business???
>

Debatable. fu set.

--
lsmft

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:23 pm
From: George Grapman

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:46 pm
From: John McWilliams

George Grapman wrote:
> Leon Baker wrote:
>> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:MXeOi.5096$4V6.1254@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Herb Kauhry wrote:
>>>> Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
>>>> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/

>>>> in all.
>>>> Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT
>>>> ALL on
>>>> 20% of the things he should have.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
>>> allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
>>
>>
>> Could that be because the government has no business being in the
>> healthcare business???
>>
> That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
> negotiated prices, it works for the VA
> By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?

Somewhat.

lsmft

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:48 pm
From: George Grapman

John McWilliams wrote:
> George Grapman wrote:
>> Leon Baker wrote:
>>> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:MXeOi.5096$4V6.1254@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> Herb Kauhry wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, I looked up his voting record. He's missed 20% of the votes
>>>>> http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/vote-missers/

>>>>> in all.
>>>>> Eighth worst in the entire house. Truth is, Ron Paul never voted AT
>>>>> ALL on
>>>>> 20% of the things he should have.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Proclaims his devotion to the market place yet voted against
>>>> allowing Medicare to negotiate drug prices.
>>>
>>>
>>> Could that be because the government has no business being in the
>>> healthcare business???
>>>
>> That is not the point. As long as they are in it why not allow
>> negotiated prices, it works for the VA
>> By the way do you also oppose government funding of education?
>
> Somewhat.
>
Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
one can assume the government paid for your education.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 7:01 pm
From: spambait@milmac.com (Doug Miller)

In article <H%fOi.5108$4V6.4006@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net>, George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
>private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
>one can assume the government paid for your education.

Nonsense. "The government" never paid a dime for his education, or yours, or
mine, or anyone else's. The *taxpayers* paid for it.

"Government money" is a myth.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 7:06 pm
From: rdadams@panix.com (Dick Adams)

< Ron Paul gibberish snipped )

I am a conservative Republican and have always voted as one.
If Ron Paul were elected President, my advice is to sell all
of your equity securities (stocks) and invest everything in
debt securities (bonds) because the stock market will drop
and interest rates will rise. IMRHO this guy is several
fries short of a Happy Meal.

Dick

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 7:18 pm
From: gfretwell@aol.com

On Mon, 08 Oct 2007 01:48:23 GMT, George Grapman
<sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote:

> Care to tell us how your education was financed. Unless you went to
>private schools that received no government funding and you paid cash
>one can assume the government paid for your education.

In fact I did go to a private school that received no public funding
and my parents still had to pay school taxes.
I have no real problem with public funding of education, it is the
government operation of the schools itself that is the problem

Lee County Florida public school system is taxing us $20,000 a student
(annual budget 1.7 billion) for a school system that still produces
mediocre results. The best private school in town is cheaper. The main
problem with the public school system, and education in general in the
US, is it is run by people who went to school at 4 or 5 years old and
never left.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:25 pm
From: Thanatos

In article <johfg3h5siilln5pn7gltmtu5gup38hcit@4ax.com>,
Rob Jensen <ShutUpRob@aol.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 07:04:28 -0400, Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
> >> much less the ICC or the UN, when it happens
> >
> > Who cares what the ICC or the UN think? An organization that
> > puts Syria on its Human Rights committee has no credibility.
>
> Actually, that (and the simultaneous removal of the US from the HRC)
> were deliberate and entirely justified snubs of the US in which the UN
> says, "Despite Syria's obvious shortcomings, it's more moral on the
> subject of Human Rights than the US is."

Like I said, they have no credibility.

Do we execute people for not following a state religion?

No.

Do we systematically and throughout all levels of society impose social,
political and sexual oppression on women merely because they are women?

No.

And that's just two examples. The U.S. may have its shortcomings
(there's not a country on the planet that doesn't) but to say that Syria
is actually *better* is outright idiocy.

The United Nations is so corrupt, it makes our Congress look like a
choirboy convention. Nothing they say or do has any credibility
whatsoever.

> >> -- the Cheney Hegemony has clearly committed war crimes. And
> >> frankly, when they come for the Shrub, Cheney, Rumsfeld and
> >> Gonzales, nobody but the Faux Noisehounds will even attempt
> >> to stick up for them.

> > There will be a helluva lot more than a news network
> > standing against them if foreign military or law enforcement
> > personnel attempt to operate on US soil.

> Which won't happen. I think they'll be handed over to the
> ICC on a silver platter.

Please elaborate on how you see this occurring.

And note that if the USA doesn't participate in the ICC, the ICC has no
legal jurisdiction over its citizens.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 5:28 pm
From: Thanatos

In article <bearclaw-4F269D.10511206102007@news.supernews.com>,
bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:

> As long as you can hate 'em and hurt 'em right? That's all that gives
> your worthless life meaning, after all.

"Aaaahhhhh! Look! There's racists everywhere. Everyone's a racist but
me!"

You're a cartoon.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:36 pm
From: New Leaf

On Oct 7, 7:19 pm, Anthony Matonak
<anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Gordon wrote:
> > Dawn <lin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Trying to amuse myself for that two hours is sometimes a challenge.
>
> > You could also bring a newspaper. Read and clip coupons.
> > Improve your mind and your finaces at the same time.
>
> They could also bring a book, perhaps even from the library. This
> would be for those who take things literary. There are also MP3
> players that can be found for less than $30 and audio books or
> lectures. There are also portable video or dvd players, for folks
> who prefer to just rent the movie.
>
> I've found one of the more interesting ways to spend a little time
> is striking up conversations with strangers.
>
> Anthony

Speaking of creative ways to spend time and not waste money.... I
found that the cheapest place to get an oil change on DH's old BMW is
at the dealership. I wait until I have an appointment for the doctor
or financial guy or whatever in City X, about 90 minutes away. Parking
in City X is hard to find and very expensive. I make an appointment at
the dealership for about an hour before my appointment. I go to the
dealership, use their beautifully clean bathroom, book the car in,
make myself a latte from their high-end self-serve machine, get my
niece a hot chocolate if she's with me, and then have their shuttle
take me to my appointment. Afterwards, I have them pick me up to go
back to the dealership, and there's my car, all clean and shiny on the
outside from their complimentary carwash, all tidy on the inside from
the free vacuuming service, a nice cool bottle of free water in the
cup-holder. The cost, $29.95 + tax, is about the same as a day of
parking in City X. I take a look at the new BMW models, get a couple
of free Post-It pads from the sales area, have another latte, and head
home. They treat me like gold there. Once they found a burned out bulb
in the headlight and suggested new windshield wipers, but mostly, I'm
out of there for about $35.

Viv

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 7:03 pm
From: George Grapman

New Leaf wrote:
> On Oct 7, 7:19 pm, Anthony Matonak
> <anthony...@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> Dawn <lin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Trying to amuse myself for that two hours is sometimes a challenge.
>>> You could also bring a newspaper. Read and clip coupons.
>>> Improve your mind and your finaces at the same time.
>> They could also bring a book, perhaps even from the library. This
>> would be for those who take things literary. There are also MP3
>> players that can be found for less than $30 and audio books or
>> lectures. There are also portable video or dvd players, for folks
>> who prefer to just rent the movie.
>>
>> I've found one of the more interesting ways to spend a little time
>> is striking up conversations with strangers.
>>
>> Anthony
>
> Speaking of creative ways to spend time and not waste money.... I
> found that the cheapest place to get an oil change on DH's old BMW is
> at the dealership. I wait until I have an appointment for the doctor
> or financial guy or whatever in City X, about 90 minutes away. Parking
> in City X is hard to find and very expensive. I make an appointment at
> the dealership for about an hour before my appointment. I go to the
> dealership, use their beautifully clean bathroom, book the car in,
> make myself a latte from their high-end self-serve machine, get my
> niece a hot chocolate if she's with me, and then have their shuttle
> take me to my appointment. Afterwards, I have them pick me up to go
> back to the dealership, and there's my car, all clean and shiny on the
> outside from their complimentary carwash, all tidy on the inside from
> the free vacuuming service, a nice cool bottle of free water in the
> cup-holder. The cost, $29.95 + tax, is about the same as a day of
> parking in City X. I take a look at the new BMW models, get a couple
> of free Post-It pads from the sales area, have another latte, and head
> home. They treat me like gold there. Once they found a burned out bulb
> in the headlight and suggested new windshield wipers, but mostly, I'm
> out of there for about $35.
>
> Viv
>
I used to work in Sausalito, just over the Golden Gate Bridge from
SF. My office was north of the downtown area, In the summer parking
could be very hard. My bank gave 30 minutes of validated parking for
just walking in and showing them my ATM card.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 7:36 pm
From: missussex

On Oct 7, 11:29 am, Dawn <lin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> So in the name of
> frugality and all that is good for me I have started taking walks
> during that timeframe.
> Dawn, frugal and hopefully healthier.

Good for you, Dawn! Walking is doubly frugal, because you'll stay
healthier and require fewer medical services. You go, girl!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 6:41 pm
From: New Leaf

On Oct 2, 9:53 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> Just curious - does anyone know the going rate these days for doing
> freelance writing for magazines?
>
> For 6 years, I had a monthly software and peripherals review column in a
> computer focused magazine. I also did freelance work for a newspaper.
> However, then I became a stay at home Dad when we had two kids within 12
> months.
>
> I can't really compare to what I made before, because both of those were
> "get your foot in the door to get some experience" sort of jobs. One was
> also for a nonprofit group. Like I said, I got a lot of experience, a free
> Internet connection for a few years, and some $. Hopefully this time
> around, I can get more of the latter.
>
> Now that they are finally both out of diapers, and I have made some
> progress on fixing up our double, I'd like to devote some time to writing
> again.
>
> However, I have no idea what a fair rate is these days. I don't want to
> hold out for too much, and lose work, but I also don't want to be getting
> less than the other folks. I'd like to put most of what I make into my ROTH
> IRA, which is sorely underfunded at this point.
>
> Anyone have a general idea?

There are so many people trying to work at home via the internet right
now that a lot of writers and aspiring writers are working for peanuts
and the market has really fallen apart for those who don't have
regular clients. I'm talking people working 50 hour weeks for $10,000
a year. Take a look at one of the online freelance writing sites. You
can bid for jobs and get a good idea of what is being offered. Some
people I know use

http://www.ifreelance.com/

I'm lucky to have a couple of regular clients in addition to my main
contract work, so I've never used the bidding sites, but if you have
time to polish your portfolio and spend some time working for very
litte, it might be a way to start.

Viv

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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 11:25 am
From: Blash

in article feb1vf$hr7$1@news04.infoave.net, Mike at prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com
wrote on 10/7/07 12:37 PM:

> Blash wrote:
>> Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>>
>>> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
>>> rich.
>>
>> AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>> The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......
>
> The border patrol is keeping EUROPEANS out???

Read it again S L O W L Y ! ! !

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 12:36 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Vlad the accountant <vlad.the.accountant@googlemail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Joe <useful_in...@yahoo.com> wrote

>>> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy rich.

>> Have fun explaining now come so many of those who
>> arent filthy rich are moving to the US whenever they can.

>>> Read about it athttp://Muvy.org

> you didnt actually read it did you?

Corse I did. Not relevant to HIS claim that I chose to comment on tho.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 4:09 pm
From: Spehro Pefhany

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:16:27 -0400, the renowned Blash
<blash1@comcast.net> wrote:

>Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>
>> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
>> rich.
>
>AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......

Based on foreigners coming as a percentage of population, Syria is 20
times as attractive than the US. Must be all the freedom.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 4:51 pm
From: Blash

Spehro Pefhany wrote on 10/7/07 7:09 PM:

> On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 09:16:27 -0400, the renowned Blash
> <blash1@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>>
>>> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
>>> rich.
>>
>> AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>> The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......
>
> Based on foreigners coming as a percentage of population, Syria is 20
> times as attractive than the US. Must be all the freedom.
>

Please send us a postcard......

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 4:51 pm
From: "Jorge W. Arbusto"

"Mike" <prabbit1@shamrocksgf.com> wrote in message
news:feb1vf$hr7$1@news04.infoave.net...
> Blash wrote:
>> Joe wrote on 10/7/07 5:26 AM:
>>
>>> They're better than the USA ... at least for anyone who's not filthy
>>> rich.
>>
>> AHA!!! That explains why nobody is trying to get in the U.S.
>> The border patrol is to stop people from leaving.......
>
> The border patrol is keeping EUROPEANS out???

Illegal Europeans are coming HERE? SONOFABITCH!!! Now we're going to have to
build a fence along the Atlantic seaboard.

== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 11:29 am
From: Dawn

Hello to the group,
My child has a standing appt. in a town 20 miles from where we live.
I take him and then I wait the two hours he is there and we go home.
Trying to amuse myself for that two hours is sometimes a challenge.
Found myself going shopping way too much. So in the name of
frugality and all that is good for me I have started taking walks
during that timeframe.
Dawn, frugal and hopefully healthier.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 1:58 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Dawn wrote:
> My child has a standing appt. in a town 20 miles from where we live.

You have to make an appointment to stand?

Anthony

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 1:16 pm
From: Wooly

Anthony Matonak wrote:
> Dawn wrote:
>> My child has a standing appt. in a town 20 miles from where we live.
>
> You have to make an appointment to stand?
>
> Anthony

But not to be literal.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 2:36 pm
From: Gordon

Dawn <linny4@hotmail.com> wrote in news:e89ig3pk0vm3efmg00ra2jrpna7s0uv053@
4ax.com:

> Hello to the group,
> My child has a standing appt. in a town 20 miles from where we live.
> I take him and then I wait the two hours he is there and we go home.
> Trying to amuse myself for that two hours is sometimes a challenge.
> Found myself going shopping way too much. So in the name of
> frugality and all that is good for me I have started taking walks
> during that timeframe.
> Dawn, frugal and hopefully healthier.

You could also bring a newspaper. Read and clip coupons.
Improve your mind and your finaces at the same time.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 3:09 pm
From: "Don K"

"Gordon" <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote in message
news:Xns99C294A947333greederxprtnet@199.45.49.11...
> Dawn <linny4@hotmail.com> wrote in news:e89ig3pk0vm3efmg00ra2jrpna7s0uv053@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> Hello to the group,
>> My child has a standing appt. in a town 20 miles from where we live.
>> I take him and then I wait the two hours he is there and we go home.
>> Trying to amuse myself for that two hours is sometimes a challenge.
>> Found myself going shopping way too much. So in the name of
>> frugality and all that is good for me I have started taking walks
>> during that timeframe.
>> Dawn, frugal and hopefully healthier.
>
> You could also bring a newspaper. Read and clip coupons.
> Improve your mind and your finaces at the same time.

Reading coupons is unlikely to improve your mind very much.

Likewise any potential fiance offering coupons in the paper is
unlikely to be much of an improvement over your present one.

Don

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 4:19 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Gordon wrote:
> Dawn <linny4@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Trying to amuse myself for that two hours is sometimes a challenge.
>
> You could also bring a newspaper. Read and clip coupons.
> Improve your mind and your finaces at the same time.

They could also bring a book, perhaps even from the library. This
would be for those who take things literary. There are also MP3
players that can be found for less than $30 and audio books or
lectures. There are also portable video or dvd players, for folks
who prefer to just rent the movie.

I've found one of the more interesting ways to spend a little time
is striking up conversations with strangers.

Anthony

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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 11:27 am
From: "johnny@."

||| |||||| || | |||| wrote:
> <johnny@.> wrote in message news:tPVNi.2696$29.414@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> Jim Higgins wrote:
>>> || |||| ||| |||||| wrote:
>>>
>>> <press 2 to be deported until you learn English>
>> I just filter out anyone that posts in Spanish.
>
> So you lie, too. There isn't any filtering device that knows the difference
> between
> "asshole" and "culero."
>
> Supesto que you have software that knows when I'm posting Spanglish, too,
> right?
>
> Buen suerto con eso, cavrón. You replied to my post, so you saw it.
>
> And you'll see this one, verdadero.
>

That's because you changed your email address.

Any time a see a post in Spanish I create a message filter for the
person who sent it, as I will do with this one. I can create a message
filter in three clicks, so change your address as much as you want to.
--
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For a Secure America
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== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 11:42 am
From: George Grapman

johnny@. wrote:
> ||| |||||| || | |||| wrote:
>> <johnny@.> wrote in message
>> news:tPVNi.2696$29.414@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>> Jim Higgins wrote:
>>>> || |||| ||| |||||| wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <press 2 to be deported until you learn English>
>>> I just filter out anyone that posts in Spanish.
>>
>> So you lie, too. There isn't any filtering device that knows the
>> difference between
>> "asshole" and "culero."
>>
>> Supesto que you have software that knows when I'm posting Spanglish,
>> too, right?
>>
>> Buen suerto con eso, cavrón. You replied to my post, so you saw it.
>>
>> And you'll see this one, verdadero.
>>
>
> That's because you changed your email address.
>
> Any time a see a post in Spanish I create a message filter for the
> person who sent it, as I will do with this one. I can create a message
> filter in three clicks, so change your address as much as you want to.

That is the great thing about the First Amendment. They have the right
to post what they want and you have the right to ignore it.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 11:51 am
From: "johnny@."

Your Kidding wrote:
> On 2007-10-06 17:32:42 -0400, Jim Higgins <gordian238@hotmail.com> said:
>
>> || |||| ||| |||||| wrote:
>>
>> <press 2 to be deported until you learn English>
>
> Yup, this is America. Speak American. Of course since the American
> hemispheres are made up of North, South, and Central Americas, it would
> be kind of hard not to speak Spanish. Two more things, English was never
> the "native language" of the US and UseNet is not owned, controlled, or
> strictly for use by English speaking 'Mericans.
>
> YK
>
English has always been the "native language" of the United States of
America, and will continue to be. Any immigrant to the United States
that wants to be a citizen, will be proficient in the English language.

UseNet is controlled by the reader.

--
Tom Tancredo for President in 2008
For a Secure America
http://www.teamtancredo.org/
http://tancredo.house.gov/

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 2:06 pm
From: Jim Higgins

I have a *lot* of room in my killfile for posters like |etc.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 4:49 pm
From: "||| | |||| ||| || | || |||"

<johnny@.> wrote in message
news:ez9Oi.1826$s8.1032@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> ||| |||||| || | |||| wrote:
>> <johnny@.> wrote in message
>> news:tPVNi.2696$29.414@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>> Jim Higgins wrote:
>>>> || |||| ||| |||||| wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <press 2 to be deported until you learn English>
>>> I just filter out anyone that posts in Spanish.
>>
>> So you lie, too. There isn't any filtering device that knows the
>> difference between
>> "asshole" and "culero."
>>
>> Supesto que you have software that knows when I'm posting Spanglish, too,
>> right?
>>
>> Buen suerto con eso, cavrón. You replied to my post, so you saw it.
>>
>> And you'll see this one, verdadero.
>>
>
> That's because you changed your email address.
>
> Any time a see a post in Spanish I create a message filter for the person
> who sent it, as I will do with this one. I can create a message filter
> in three clicks, so change your address as much as you want to.

That's what I'm going for, pendejo. Those extra three clicks. You have
nothing else to do. Lazy fool, plenty of time to click three times.

Cuantos tiempos por dia? eres una maravilla de pavada.

Pero eso es mi afición. Lo mas que tu protestas, lo mas feliz soy yo.

Naturalmente, gente.

Tres clicks for todos! Tres clicks for freedom of speech on usenet!

Barcode
> --
> Tom Tancredo for President in 2008
> For a Secure America
> http://www.teamtancredo.org/
> http://tancredo.house.gov/

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 4:52 pm
From: "||| | |||| ||| || | || |||"

there's some smart folks here. eh, well, on soc.retirement anyway (todavia
no signs of inteligencia sobre los otros grupos). So I'll spare you the
flooding. Saben que nosotros somos, pues - un diluvio verdadero.

"|| |||| ||| ||||||" <esunsintohate@enamoradodebuscarte.com> wrote in
message news:fe8nv2$b9r$1@registered.motzarella.org...
> somos aqui, manajarlos sus papeles-mismos, chingones. primera, danenos
> papeles para trabajar, sin noticia, dejalos entonces. verguenza a todos
> ustedes.
>
> La Comite para Mas Mejicanos Al Internet
>
> LaC-MAI
>
>
>

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 11:51 am
From: pc

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:41:51 -0400, pc <pc@somewhere.com> wrote:
>
>
>> Hi Chickpea..waves back to you and Mrs. Chickpea!
>>
>> Because my transfer didn't transpire..and with the market the way it is
>> now, we decided to stay put for a while and enjoy it. Thank goodness we
>> didn't put a deposit on the other house!
>
> We had the right price and the right buyer, which is good, since we
> bought the land before selling. We were blessed so many different
> ways that it was uncanny.

We actually had a buyer...and a house we wanted in central FL. But,
there were office politics with my transfer. And, I like my job [and
cover all our health benefits and retirement plans]. So, we felt it was
unwise to just up and move right now.
>
>> We got both the cabs and countertops from a company out of Pompano.

> I wonder if that was one of my old neighbors? Did he drive a yellow
> hummer? He had a reputation arround the neighborhood for good
> pricing.

Ace kitchen and granite.
>

>
>> Woohoo on your appliances Chickpea!
>

>> No gas here. Alas. If I were in my 'homeforever' I'd put in propane.
>> That damned electric company can't be trusted when storms come through.;-)
>
> Yeah, you know me and my generators/batteries/etc. We are getting a
> good deal on the propane, I think. Free 250 gal tank for a year and
> $1.59/gal to fill it. Later on, we'll put in our own underground
> tank, but I have too many irons in the fire for right now.

Wow, I paid much more than that 3 years ago in NH. Will you have a lot
of heating needs where you are now?
>

>
> Free is good. :-) I finally found a filter that I like. The Berkey
> water filter doesn't need to have the elements constantly replaced,
> and can purify just about any water. So Fl water is SO bad with
> organics that my distiller was always getting a cooked seaweed type of
> residue. Up here, all it gets is lime buildup.

We just did a double cartridge filter. The RO took up too much space.
The freezer ice goes through a cartridge in the fridge. So far we are
alive and healthy. Water is increasingly a BIG issue. I miss my cold
clear northern well water. The whole city of West Palm has been on a
boil order. They even had the FBI in to investigate. But, they think
now it was a backflow issue from an illegal well. Hmm..
>
>
> Looked at them, looked at a few seriously, but couldn't justify the
> added cost. BTW, we'll be making a new custom pantry based on
> improvements of our old one in Margate. Gotta start on the design for
> that soon.

An IKEA is opening in Sunrise next week. I've never been to Sunrise,
but I will go now. I've never seen an IKEA but have gotten their
catalogues for years and I love some of their storage solutions and want
to buy a pullout pantry system. My little pantry has wire shelves and
is basically useless.
>

> The mightiest oak starts from the actions of a demented squirrel. :-)
>
> The bananas are still doing fine, we've been eating okra, squash,
> watermelon, green beans, collards, tomatoes and Malabar spinach. And
> this has just been an experimental year for Mrs. Chickpea! Next year,
> I hope we can grow a full gardenload to freeze and can. I picked up a
> pressure canner for $30 at the local flea market.
>
>
First I finish my kitchen. Then I finish my office. Then I do my
garden. I want some sort of raised bed system, but I haven't worked it
all out yet. I have to do a diagram for DH, in advance. Otherwise
he'll just think I'm a crazy lady.

Regards..

..PC

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 12:19 pm
From: pc

Dawn wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:43:03 -0400, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>> The mightiest oak starts from the actions of a demented squirrel. :-)
>>
>> The bananas are still doing fine, we've been eating okra, squash,
>> watermelon, green beans, collards, tomatoes and Malabar spinach. And
>> this has just been an experimental year for Mrs. Chickpea! Next year,
>> I hope we can grow a full gardenload to freeze and can. I picked up a
>> pressure canner for $30 at the local flea market.
>>
>
> Our garden yielded pretty good this year. We don't can, just eat.
> We ate lots of summer squash, beans, corn, berries galore and
> tomatoes. We have winter squash to eat and onions hanging in the
> garage. Shared quite a bit with our neighbors.
> Dawn, who just ordered seed garlic to be planted at the end of the
> month.

Gardening is so damned upside down and backwards for me..a Northerner
transplanted to SoFL. I am definitely seasonally challenged here. The
planting season is starting now. And, I'm still waiting for Winter! LOL.

I've a friend from Guatemala who said she would help me set up my
garden. I think I am going to take her up on it. She's used to the
climate and will help me from making major errors.

..PC

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 12:48 pm
From: "Don K"

"pc" <pc@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:HU9Oi.1985$aa.461@bignews1.bellsouth.net...

>> Free is good. :-) I finally found a filter that I like. The Berkey
>> water filter doesn't need to have the elements constantly replaced,
>> and can purify just about any water. So Fl water is SO bad with
>> organics that my distiller was always getting a cooked seaweed type of
>> residue. Up here, all it gets is lime buildup.
>
> We just did a double cartridge filter. The RO took up too much space. The freezer ice
> goes through a cartridge in the fridge. So far we are alive and healthy. Water is
> increasingly a BIG issue. I miss my cold clear northern well water. The whole city of
> West Palm has been on a boil order. They even had the FBI in to investigate. But, they
> think now it was a backflow issue from an illegal well. Hmm..

We did a timeshare tour in West Palm Beach a few years ago.
It struck me that the water down there has a strong taste of diesel fuel
or something similar.

Don

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 4:52 pm
From: pc

Don K wrote:
> "pc" <pc@somewhere.com> wrote in message news:HU9Oi.1985$aa.461@bignews1.bellsouth.net...
>
>>> Free is good. :-) I finally found a filter that I like. The Berkey
>>> water filter doesn't need to have the elements constantly replaced,
>>> and can purify just about any water. So Fl water is SO bad with
>>> organics that my distiller was always getting a cooked seaweed type of
>>> residue. Up here, all it gets is lime buildup.
>> We just did a double cartridge filter. The RO took up too much space. The freezer ice
>> goes through a cartridge in the fridge. So far we are alive and healthy. Water is
>> increasingly a BIG issue. I miss my cold clear northern well water. The whole city of
>> West Palm has been on a boil order. They even had the FBI in to investigate. But, they
>> think now it was a backflow issue from an illegal well. Hmm..
>
> We did a timeshare tour in West Palm Beach a few years ago.
> It struck me that the water down there has a strong taste of diesel fuel
> or something similar.
>
> Don
>
>

Well, I'm further south of West Palm. Thank goodness.
The water here is nasty compared to VT and NH. But, so far, it's
drinkable with filtering.

..PC

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 12:13 pm
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

>>The radiator and its fans could be at the top of a vertical duct that
>>returns sunspace air to the lower sunspace without mixing with room air.
>>On cloudy days, pump water up through the radiator to warm the house...

We might have 2 motorized dampers, fully-open or fully-closed, like this:

----------------------------
.a motor r motor . |
.d <--> a <--> . |
.a fd . | heat water with sunspace
.m <== ai <== . 2' |
.p na . |
.e st . s |
.r o 2' . u |
|.......---r--sdamper-| n | s
| | ^ | s | o
| v | | p | u
| room | a | t
| air | c | t
| | e | h
. .s |
. sunspace .d |
. air .a ^ |
. ==> .m | |
. .p | |
. .e |
. .r |
----------------------------

----------------------------
. motor r motor s. |
. <--> a <--> d. |
. fd a. | heat house with water
. <== ai <== m. 2' |
. na p. |
. st e. s |
. o 2' r. u |
|adamper---r--.......-| n | s
| ^ | s | o
| | | p | u
| room | a | t
| air | c | t
| | e | h
. .s |
. .d |
. .a ^ |
.==> cool room .m | |
. air inlet .p | |
. .p | |
. .e |
. .r |
----------------------------

----------------------------
. motor r motor . |
. <--> a <--> . |
. fd . | heat house and/or water
. <== ai <== . 2' | with sunspace
. na . |
. st . s |
. o 2' . u |
|adamper---r--sdamper-| n | s
| ^ | s | o
| | | p | u
| room | a | t
| air | c | t
| | e | h
. .s |
. sunspace .d |
. air .a ^ |
.==> cool room ==> .m | |
. air inlet .p | |
. .e |
. .r |
----------------------------

with this simple logic:

house tank sunspace upper upper
<70? <140? >70? >140?| sdamp adamp fans pump notes
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
0 0 - - | up up off off default
0 1 - 1 | down up on on heat tank
1 0 0 - | up down on on heat house with tank
1 0 1 - | down down on off heat house with sunspace
1 1 1 1 | down down on on heat house and tank

Nick

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TOPIC: Repairing a broken drain line
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 1:40 pm
From: dthompson4389@wowway.com (DT)

>One thing someone could give an opinion on - the slope from the inside =
>connection point to the existing clean-out is about 4-inches for a 20-ft =
>length of drain pipe. Is this enough for a straight run?

It's in the ball park, 1/4" drop per foot is standard, which would be 5" for 20
feet. I believe if the pipe is 4" or larger the slope can be less.

--
Dennis

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 1:54 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Oct 6, 11:22 pm, "Tockk" <to...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> There's a magazine called "Writer's Digest"

http://www.writersdigest.com/
> available at better magazine stands, and they publish an annual book listing
> zillions of publishers and what they pay for articles, along with misc
> information.
>
> It's a pretty good magazine for the aspiring writer; it's worth trying a
> subscription.

We'll have to find someone with a subscription who is willing to copy
everything or report it via email because Ohio Guy won't want to spend
money on anything or do anything for himself.

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TOPIC: "Christian" George W. Bush protecting gang-rapist-murderers of 2
beautiful girls.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Oct 7 2007 3:22 pm
From: Hugo S. Cunningham

On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 04:20:18 -0700, xuuux5@yahoo.com wrote:

>Two stories at http://Muvy.org :
>
>George W Bush is literally trying to prevent the execution of lead
>gang-rapist/gang-murderer of two beautiful girls in Texas.
>
>Bush seeks to protect gangsters who have confessed in detail
>to gang raping and killing in cold blood two innocent girls
>as part of a gang initiation.

I have condemned G.W. Bush for many things, sometimes from the Right
and sometimes from the Left. Nevertheless, though I favor the death
penalty where murder is proven "beyond a shadow of a doubt," I find
him blameless in the case of Jose Modesto Medellin. Bush has been
cornered by an "International Court of Justice" packed with death
penalty opponents and by a US judiciary overly deferential to an ICJ
that has no standing under the US Constitution.
Bush has at least drawn the correct lesson from the case,
exercising his legal authority to withdraw the USA from ICJ
jurisdiction in future such cases.

--Hugo S. Cunningham

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