Frugal Living: Aug 5, 2010

Thursday, August 5, 2010

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Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 10:48 pm
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 5:28 am
From: lizhou zhu

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TOPIC: OT: Climate Change
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 6:11 am
From: Jeff Thies

It is claimed by some that there are many scientists who disagree
that the earth is warming, and also that it is caused largely by added
CO2 in the atmosphere.

The one Rush Limbaugh speaks of is Roy Spencer, and I hear his name
from other Republicans.

http://www.drroyspencer.com/

I find this interesting, as when you look at his current site, that
it does nothing to refute that CO2 is causing global warming. What I see
instead is an assumption that negative feedback might help counteract
warming.

What I gather from Dr Spencer is that with the passing of La Nina
cooling and entering a cycle of PDO warming, it looks like the past
decade will be just a cool memory.

So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have screwed
ourselves?

Jeff

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 6:37 am
From: Bill who putters

In article <i3ed9g$caq$1@news.albasani.net>,
Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net> wrote:

> It is claimed by some that there are many scientists who disagree
> that the earth is warming, and also that it is caused largely by added
> CO2 in the atmosphere.
>
> The one Rush Limbaugh speaks of is Roy Spencer, and I hear his name
> from other Republicans.
>
> http://www.drroyspencer.com/
>
> I find this interesting, as when you look at his current site, that
> it does nothing to refute that CO2 is causing global warming. What I see
> instead is an assumption that negative feedback might help counteract
> warming.
>
> What I gather from Dr Spencer is that with the passing of La Nina
> cooling and entering a cycle of PDO warming, it looks like the past
> decade will be just a cool memory.
>
> So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have screwed
> ourselves?
>
> Jeff

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== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 11:18 am
From: Chris

On Aug 5, 9:11 am, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> It is claimed by some that there are many scientists who disagree
> that the earth is warming, and also that it is caused largely by added
> CO2 in the atmosphere.
>
> The one Rush Limbaugh speaks of is Roy Spencer, and I hear his name
> from other Republicans.
>
> http://www.drroyspencer.com/
>
> I find this interesting, as when you look at his current site, that
> it does nothing to refute that CO2 is causing global warming. What I see
> instead is an assumption that negative feedback might help counteract
> warming.
>
> What I gather from Dr Spencer is that with the passing of La Nina
> cooling and entering a cycle of PDO warming, it looks like the past
> decade will be just a cool memory.
>
> So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have screwed
> ourselves?
>
> Jeff

There is no real scientific controversy about anthropogenic global
climate change. The "scientists" who deny it are pretty much all
shills for energy companies like Exxon-Mobil.

Chris

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 1:14 pm
From: Higgs Boson

On Aug 5, 6:11 am, Jeff Thies <jeff_th...@att.net> wrote:
> It is claimed by some that there are many scientists who disagree
> that the earth is warming, and also that it is caused largely by added
> CO2 in the atmosphere.
>
> The one Rush Limbaugh speaks of is Roy Spencer, and I hear his name
> from other Republicans.
>
> http://www.drroyspencer.com/
>
> I find this interesting, as when you look at his current site, that
> it does nothing to refute that CO2 is causing global warming. What I see
> instead is an assumption that negative feedback might help counteract
> warming.
>
> What I gather from Dr Spencer is that with the passing of La Nina
> cooling and entering a cycle of PDO warming, it looks like the past
> decade will be just a cool memory.
>
> So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have screwed
> ourselves?
>
> Jeff

These scientists are whores who work for the Marshall Institute
<http://www.marshall.org/>.
It is a far, far, far Right outfit, supported by oil, coal, gas,
forest -- in short the extractive industries
that want to keep on making money even while the planet heats up under
their feet and above
their heads and in their oceans. What kind of world they will leave
for their grandchildren doesn't seem to factor in.
Maybe it's denial; maybe it's willful ignorance; more likely simple
greed.

The Marshall Institute whores have worked diligently to sow doubt in
the minds of the uninformed
public for decades. Not only about climate change, but about DDT,
acid rain, tobacco, and
other such public policy dangers.

The entire scenario is perfectly described in "Merchants of Doubt" by
Oreskes and Conway.
Worth a read. Educate yourself and those around you.

The Dr. Roy Spencer that Rush Limbaugh is pushing is attached to the
Marshall Institute.
QED.

Last-minute thought: I apologize to honest sex workers for comparing
them to those
who work for the Marshall Institute to spread doubt about confimed,
validated scientific matters.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 5:47 pm
From: "David Hare-Scott"

Jeff Thies wrote:
> It is claimed by some that there are many scientists who disagree
> that the earth is warming, and also that it is caused largely by added
> CO2 in the atmosphere.
>
> The one Rush Limbaugh speaks of is Roy Spencer, and I hear his name
> from other Republicans.
>
> http://www.drroyspencer.com/
>
> I find this interesting, as when you look at his current site, that
> it does nothing to refute that CO2 is causing global warming. What I
> see instead is an assumption that negative feedback might help
> counteract warming.
>
> What I gather from Dr Spencer is that with the passing of La Nina
> cooling and entering a cycle of PDO warming, it looks like the past
> decade will be just a cool memory.
>
> So, just where are these scientists that don't think we have screwed
> ourselves?
>
> Jeff

I don't think there are very many deniers who are qualified, ie
climatologists. There are many who represent themselves as "experts" but
turn out to be like Singer who used to get paid by the tobacco industry to
deny smoking caused harm or like Monkton who is a journalist trained in
classics but seems a little mad and in love with the spotlight. So much of
the propaganda from such experts is not a scientific argument anyway but an
appeal to consequences "your taxes will skyrocket, they want a world
government which will take all your rights, etc". See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_consequences

There was one bloke who used to work for the CSIRO who has some professional
training in the area (I cannot think of his name sorry) but I recall
following up on it and he was soundly refuted by the majority position.
Spencer himself gets quite a drubbing from some climatologists, see:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2008/05/how-to-cook-a-graph-in-three-easy-lessons/

That is not to say there is universal agreement, there are bound to be
differences of opinion on the details and especially the modelling but for
the main point that humans have caused real climate changes due to burning
fossil fuel and it will get worse if we don't stop the consensus among
scientists is real.

I know that science never proves anything to the 100% certainty level but it
is only those who are looking to freeze the political process into inaction
that claim that it should. The precautionary principle says that as the
consequences of inaction get more serious you should act to prevent problems
even if the matter is not certain. It's like insurance, you pay a little to
cover the possibility of disaster that costs much more. This principle is
written into much environmental protection legislation so why wouldn't we
use it now on a broader scale? The failure to resolve this is not from the
scientists who failed to provide reasonable evidence it is from the
politicians who have collectively failed to act on it.

Even if it turns out that AGW is wrong and we convert to a sustainable
energy economy prematurely it will not be wasted effort, we have to do it
soon anyway regardless of climate change. The cost of converting too soon
is trifling compared to the cost of going too late. So why dither?

David

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 6:06 am
From: Coffee's For Closers

In article <30ed1298-8f86-4066-9f9b-
5ebe230eea0d@l14g2000yql.googlegroups.com>, lenona321@yahoo.com
says...
> http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/08/02/summer-must-read-for-kids-any-book=

> =93If those books get them into reading, that has great repercussions
> for making them smarter,=94 Dr. McGill-Franzen said. =93Teachers and
> middle-class parents undervalue kids=92 preferences, but I think we need
> to give up being so uptight about children=92s choices in books.=94
>
> (end)

> Call it a hunch, but I suspect that one reason the parents you see in
> BOOKSTORES are so resistant to let kids pick and choose what to read
> is the high cost of new books! (I buy maybe one brand-new book per
> year - and that's usually for someone else.) If parents relied more on
> libraries, thrift stores and free book exchanges (often at the local
> recycling center), chances are there'd be fewer power struggles and
> more focus on slowly cultivating an EVOLVING love of reading.

Yeah-but... I sometimes feel that, it is cool when other people
don't read, and stay stupid. Because then, they won't be able to
compete with me. Like for jobs.

I am not joking. On a certain level, I actually want for other
people to be stupid, ignorant, and lazy. With poor attitudes.
Because then, I can look superior. And, in fact, will be
superior.

If the masses get their act together, I will have to work harder
to keep up.

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TOPIC: Smart move: Dutch abandon Afghanistan
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 7:25 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 3, 8:27 pm, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> In article
> <01750e9c-d916-41c3-bdec-71f7d2194...@v6g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
>
>
> Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Leave Afghanistan for nations that want to build nations other than
> > their own. Some countries want to pacify Afghanistan, but then not
> > even their backyard is secure. Mexico is sinking into chaos, and their
> > own cities are walled for security.
>
> > "Dutch become 1st NATO member to quit Afghanistan"
>
> > KABUL, Afghanistan The Netherlands became the first NATO country to
> > end its combat mission in Afghanistan, drawing the curtain Sunday on a
> > four-year operation that was deeply unpopular at home and even brought
> > down a Dutch government.
>
> > ***
>
> > The Dutch are busy building bike facilities for their citizens, and
> > someday we may truly need them to do nation building based around the
> > bicycle.
>
> > "Bicycles Against Poverty (BAP) Project"
>
> >http://www.dosomething.org/project/bicycle-against-poverty-bap-project
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "Bicycle is the smart way to go to pacify the world"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> thanks for the good news. Others to follow?

Just stay away from it all and ride a bike whenever is safe. If you
are willing to give your life for a cause, ride a bike and let others
know.

I don't think it's illegal to commit suicide in a bike.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 7:26 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 3, 10:42 pm, Derek C <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 4:27 am, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <01750e9c-d916-41c3-bdec-71f7d2194...@v6g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
> > Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Leave Afghanistan for nations that want to build nations other than
> > > their own. Some countries want to pacify Afghanistan, but then not
> > > even their backyard is secure. Mexico is sinking into chaos, and their
> > > own cities are walled for security.
>
> > > "Dutch become 1st NATO member to quit Afghanistan"
>
> > > KABUL, Afghanistan The Netherlands became the first NATO country to
> > > end its combat mission in Afghanistan, drawing the curtain Sunday on a
> > > four-year operation that was deeply unpopular at home and even brought
> > > down a Dutch government.
>
> > > ***
>
> > > The Dutch are busy building bike facilities for their citizens, and
> > > someday we may truly need them to do nation building based around the
> > > bicycle.
>
> > > "Bicycles Against Poverty (BAP) Project"
>
> > >http://www.dosomething.org/project/bicycle-against-poverty-bap-project
>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > > "Bicycle is the smart way to go to pacify the world"
>
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> > thanks for the good news. Others to follow?
> > --
> > Money! What a concept.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Nobody in recent history has ever successfully invaded and controlled
> Afghanistan, even the greatest Superpowers of their day (Russia,
> British Empire, etc), so why should the Yanks and the modern day Brits
> do any better? This was a fool's errand dreamed up by that fool George
> W Bush and his pet poodle crony Tony Blair. If it was intended to
> suppress terrorism, it has had entirely the opposite effect.

It was meant to INTIMIDATE the world and burn the extra cash lying
around.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 7:27 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 4, 8:24 am, Sir Jeremy <pete.a...@virgin.net> wrote:
> On 2 Aug, 02:55, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Leave Afghanistan for nations that want to build nations other than
> > their own. Some countries want to pacify Afghanistan, but then not
> > even their backyard is secure. Mexico is sinking into chaos, and their
> > own cities are walled for security.
>
> > "Dutch become 1st NATO member to quit Afghanistan"
>
> > KABUL, Afghanistan – The Netherlands became the first NATO country to
> > end its combat mission in Afghanistan, drawing the curtain Sunday on a
> > four-year operation that was deeply unpopular at home and even brought
> > down a Dutch government.
>
> > ***
>
> > The Dutch are busy building bike facilities for their citizens, and
> > someday we may truly need them to do nation building based around the
> > bicycle.
>
> > "Bicycles Against Poverty (BAP) Project"
>
> >http://www.dosomething.org/project/bicycle-against-poverty-bap-project
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------
>
> > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> > "Bicycle is the smart way to go to pacify the world"
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> I'll bet you were a draft dodger

If there was a draft... there would be no war.

The middle classes supported the war because their children stayed
home.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 7:28 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 4, 6:17 pm, Kenneth O'Brien <kob22...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>> The 99% of the American people who do NOT dare ride a bike on the road
> >>> probably agrees with me.
>
> > I'm actually overstating the number, since the share of commuters by
> > bike is 0.4%.
>
> Look that over. You just mixed two different things. 1) Americans who don't dare ride a bike on the roadway and 2) commuting share by bike. You do realize that is two entirely different things, yes? And you realize if you jump around like that you can't make any kind of sensible point, yes?

I do not care about training cyclists looking for fun, performance or
whatever on a bike. They don't care about others either. That's a
hobby. The revolution is for the SUB (Sport Utility Bike).
>
>
>
> > But you should never trust the sheep to be right, such as in the case
> > of religion or Chavez in Venezuela.
>
> Sorry. You lost me on that one. Point?
>
> Ken

People are happy with whatever you throw at them. Case in point is the
fancy MIXED PATH around here that has sucked up so much money and yet
it only goes for a mile. People are happy with it. I cite the dangers
of mixing cyclists, dogs and kids, blinding lights, etc, and they
still reply the same mantra: "People are happy with it."

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 7:39 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 4, 6:20 pm, Kenneth O'Brien <kob22...@mac.com> wrote:
> > See, that's a mistake. In the jungle you must keep your eyes open for
> > every possible predator, including those coming from above. (Say a
> > bottle thrown from an overpass).
>
> Serge and Mr. Hunt, please note this. This helps make my point.
>
> I think there is only a very minor difference between your style of riding that continually wastes attention and mental evaluation to things behind you, with His Highness's need to continually scan for things falling from the sky above.
>
> Ken

You are wrong. I'm just laying before you the greatest model for
survival under any conditions: THE JUNGLE. I forgot to mention the
dangers from below, the potholes that make you fall while you pay too
much attention to the beasts behind the wheel.

Actually 100% of your energy should be concentrated on riding the
bike, not watching your back.

WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE

http://webspawner.com/users/donquijote1

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 7:54 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 4, 7:05 pm, Kenneth O'Brien <kob22...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Aug 4, 2010, at 2:35 PM, Willie Hunt wrote:
>
> > You justify your "one sized fits all" argument
>
> Actually you have that exactly backwards. My way of looking at it incorporates the varying capabilities of the public.
>
> Few to no drivers have the Kreskin/Uri Gellar-like mental/psychic powers to can first: divine that someone approaching behind is either a homicidal maniac or so outrageously incompetent that they have missed seeing a predictable visible bicyclist in the road ahead along a roadway leg; then second: can Obiwan-Kenobi-predict exactly which last instant emergency response will avoid this menace; and finally: can Maverick/Goose/Top-Gun perform that maneuver in the blink of an eye.
>
> Because the full population of drivers includes a wide spread, I want to build into the system - and build into education about the system - the margin represented by everybody devoting all their attention forward whenever they can. I don't want everybody doing 360 degree continual scans (or as His Highness would have it, maybe - 4pi steradian continual scans [since I suspect he might want me to continually scan for volcanic eruptions at my feet as well as bottles from above.]) I don't want folks in the full population of drivers/bicyclists tricked into thinking they are Kreskin, Uri Gellar, Obiwan Kenobi or Maverick. I want them to recognize that often, they are just Gus... not very bright... not at the top of their (or most anybody else's) physical game... and they need all the margin we can give them - Meaning devoting their attention where it is needed when it is needed only.
>
> >But I do know that "wasted mental
> >processing" is not a waste for me, nor does it stress me out. In fact
> >the opposite is true. If I do not watch what's going on behind me
> >then I get stressed out.
>
> There is a difference between the bliss of injecting heroin, and not stressing/fatiguing your your physical capabilities - especially during a task in a potentially dangerous system that needs you neither stressed/fatigued nor blissed out on an opiate.
>
> I recognize it is hard to get past the idea that you have little or no power to protect yourself from the homicidal maniac or the truly grossly incompetent. But I recommend you and Serge get past the illusion you can control such a thing. recognizing this is liberating and likely will help your (and everybody else's, because you are not wasting your attention where it is not needed, and you therefore represent less of a hazard for the rest of us) safety level.
>
> I suspect your lack of respect for the " targeted/focused attention where it is needed when it is needed" idea goes a long way towards explaining why you don't understand you do your students a great injustice when you refuse to educate them that bikelanes are a bad idea.
>
> Ken

The problem is cyclists are the easiest target for road rage. And
there's a lot of it out there. Luckily most of the time it doesn't
lead to a bloody incident, but just to spoiling the day for the
cyclist.

(I quote)

Ranking No. 1 was Orlando, Fla., of all places.

"Yes, Orlando, home of the Magic Kingdom and mandated happiness," the
Men's Health article on the survey said. "Who knows? Maybe living in
Goofyville wears thin after 35 years."

Following Orlando were St. Petersburg, Fla.; Detroit; Baltimore;
Nashville; Wilmington, Del.; Miami; Memphis; Jacksonville; and St.
Louis.

But what about Los Angeles with its freeway traffic jams and high-
pressure lifestyles? They're way down at No. 36.

And how about New York City, where the rush is constant, the crowds
are crushing, and the high rents, small spaces and busy schedules can
make for plenty of stress? The Big Apple isn't even in the top 50.
They come in at No. 57.

http://cbs2chicago.com/watercooler/chicago.11th.angriest.2.1834103.html

***

NYC which is known as the "asphalt jungle" is down at #50. The Deep
Jungle is elsewhere.

I think we should bring the National Guard out (or back from Iraq and
Afghanistan).

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 11:12 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 5, 7:59 am, Kenneth O'Brien <kob22...@mac.com> wrote:
> On Aug 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock"<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 4, 6:17 pm, Kenneth O'Brien <kob22...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>>>> The 99% of the American people who do NOT dare ride a bike on the road
> >>>>> probably agrees with me.
>
> >>> I'm actually overstating the number, since the share of commuters by
> >>> bike is 0.4%.
>
> >> Look that over. You just mixed two different things. 1) Americans who don't dare ride a bike on the roadway and 2) commuting share by bike. You do realize that is two entirely different things, yes? And you realize if you jump around like that you can't make any kind of sensible point, yes?
>
> > I do not care about training cyclists looking for fun, performance or
> > whatever on a bike. They don't care about others either. That's a
> > hobby. The revolution is for the SUB (Sport Utility Bike)
>
> OK. But the commuting share isn't at whatever it is because 1 minus that number fraction of the public wouldn't DARE ride their bike on the road. There is a million and one things that add up to commute share.
>
> Ken

Yeah, but the big factor is F-E-A-R.

I had job just TWO miles away, and I just hesitated to do it. I also
hesitate to do that distance in any other direction.

The big hope is the new Velib program coming to Miami Beach, and
rescuing the reputation of the cyclist. H-O-P-E-F-U-L-L-Y.

Around here, people just ride crappy bikes on the sidewalk, and the
occasional pro cyclists darting by on weekends.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 9:17 am
From: Ohioguy

4-5 years ago, this was selling for 79c a pound around here, frozen
in 1 pound plastic tubes. I noticed it had a bit less fat than
hamburger, so I figured it was a healthier, cheaper alternative.

Today I went to Aldi's to stock up the freezer, and noticed that the
price had jumped to $1.39 - roughly a 76% increase during that period.
Price at Kroger's seems to be about $1.50, and price at Wal-Mart is
$1.4x or so.

Ground turkey has been one of our staples for adding protein to our
diet, and the 76% increase in price has made it more difficult to
stretch our grocery budget.

Anyone know of a grocery chain that regularly has this for a better
price? Thanks!

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 10:32 am
From: Chris

On 02/08/2010 22:05, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> On Aug 2, 2:52 pm, Chris<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> On 31/07/2010 21:04, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>>
>> Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>>> On Jul 31, 2:39 pm, "Colin McKenzie"<n...@proof-read.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:11:20 +0100, Tony Raven<tra...@gotadsl.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>
>>>>>> In London a lot of cyclists have been run down by trucks turning left,
>>>>>> equivalent to right turn in the US, as a lot tend to undertake, pass
>>>>>> the passenger side of vehicles. The attitude of a lot of cyclists does
>>>>>> not help though as a lot run red lights, ride on pavements and go down
>>>>>> one way streets the wrong way.
>>
>>>>> Not a lot actually. Ten or less a year are hit by trucks which, for 180
>>>>> million cycle journeys a year means its pretty rare. And easily avoided
>>>>> by giving the big trucks a bit more room and respect.
>>
>>>> Quite. And as rather fewer than 10 a year, on average, are killed by other
>>>> vehicles, you can halve your already minuscule risk of death simply by
>>>> being very careful around lorries:
>>>> - don't pass (on either side) unless it can't possibly move in the time it
>>>> takes to get past.
>>>> - if in front, be where the driver can see you, and make eye contact to
>>>> make sure he HAS seen you.
>>>> - if to the side with priority, ride in a prominent position but be ready
>>>> to stop until you know the driver's seen you.
>>
>>>> If you want to halve your chance of injury, do the same with other
>>>> vehicles, and ride a door's width from parked cars.
>>
>>> My proposal to MANDATE VISIBLE CLOTHING/VEST/LYCRA would help quite a
>>> bit. No clothing, no rights.
>>
>> So would better cycle education for both cyclists and drivers. Does the
>> cycling proficiency test still exist?
>>
>> --
>> Chris
>
> I don't know, but I know that...
>
> It takes two to tango. I think it can work quite well with mandating
> the cars to exit the lane whenever possible and mandating the cyclists
> to wear something bright to have full protection.
>
> Notice I'm NOT for mandating helmets or obeying every traffic signal
> out there.
Bright clothing does not protect but knowing the best way to cycle on
the road does as well as obeying traffic signals, fancy being run down
by cyclist at pedestrian crossing. Its the same argument about level
crossings, drivers still drive around barriers when they are down and
are often crushed by the train despite flashing lights, bells and a half
barrier to warn them. So do you think bright clothing will make the
cyclist cycle better or the driver drive better you just make a better
target ;)

--
Chris

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 11:20 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 5, 10:32 am, Chris <nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> On 02/08/2010 22:05, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> > On Aug 2, 2:52 pm, Chris<nos...@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> On 31/07/2010 21:04, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
>
> >> Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> >>> On Jul 31, 2:39 pm, "Colin McKenzie"<n...@proof-read.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:11:20 +0100, Tony Raven<tra...@gotadsl.co.uk>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Chris wrote:
>
> >>>>>> In London a lot of cyclists have been run down by trucks turning left,
> >>>>>> equivalent to right turn in the US, as a lot tend to undertake, pass
> >>>>>> the passenger side of vehicles. The attitude of a lot of cyclists does
> >>>>>> not help though as a lot run red lights, ride on pavements and go down
> >>>>>> one way streets the wrong way.
>
> >>>>> Not a lot actually. Ten or less a year are hit by trucks which, for 180
> >>>>> million cycle journeys a year means its pretty rare. And easily avoided
> >>>>> by giving the big trucks a bit more room and respect.
>
> >>>> Quite. And as rather fewer than 10 a year, on average, are killed by other
> >>>> vehicles, you can halve your already minuscule risk of death simply by
> >>>> being very careful around lorries:
> >>>> - don't pass (on either side) unless it can't possibly move in the time it
> >>>> takes to get past.
> >>>> - if in front, be where the driver can see you, and make eye contact to
> >>>> make sure he HAS seen you.
> >>>> - if to the side with priority, ride in a prominent position but be ready
> >>>> to stop until you know the driver's seen you.
>
> >>>> If you want to halve your chance of injury, do the same with other
> >>>> vehicles, and ride a door's width from parked cars.
>
> >>> My proposal to MANDATE VISIBLE CLOTHING/VEST/LYCRA would help quite a
> >>> bit. No clothing, no rights.
>
> >> So would better cycle education for both cyclists and drivers. Does the
> >> cycling proficiency test still exist?
>
> >> --
> >> Chris
>
> > I don't know, but I know that...
>
> > It takes two to tango. I think it can work quite well with mandating
> > the cars to exit the lane whenever possible and mandating the cyclists
> > to wear something bright to have full protection.
>
> > Notice I'm NOT for mandating helmets or obeying every traffic signal
> > out there.
>
> Bright clothing does not protect but knowing the best way to cycle on
> the road does as well as obeying traffic signals, fancy being run down
> by cyclist at pedestrian crossing. Its the same argument about level
> crossings, drivers still drive around barriers when they are down and
> are often crushed by the train despite flashing lights, bells and a half
> barrier to warn them. So do you think bright clothing will make the
> cyclist cycle better or the driver drive better you just make a better
> target ;)
>
> --
> Chris

It's not only my opinion but that of the article at the heading. I
think the most often heard excuse for an accident with a bike is "I
didn't see him." You can even argue better in court, which is
important if you survive.

It also shows that you are more serious about it. It's the opposite of
a jungle where you want to be camouflaged from the predators. But
often poisonous snakes are bright to advertise the danger too.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 11:53 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

Imagine that you could get almost all the benefits of riding a bike in
safety while living in America. It's virtually possible...

I always wanted a recumbent, which has certain advantages, and while
waiting for things to change and have safe roads, I went to K-Mart,
found the right price, and I bought a recumbent stationary bike. I
have just put it in the middle of the living room, looking at the
garden, while I watch this video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_o3chL8phA

***

Isn't it awesome that I can enjoy virtual Dutch biking in the safety
of my home? Well, I still depend on my feet or the car to get around,
but hey, at least I won't be the average couch potato.

It reminds of this movie, Soylent Green, in a futuristic world where
there's no nature left, and this old man decide to die in a romantic
way... (they are turned into food)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7U4EQXFMBE&feature=related

---------------------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"It's all an illusion and then you die"

http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 5 2010 3:34 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

> Every day, I get all the benefits of riding a bike in safety while living in
> America. And it has nothing to do with being in Holland, or imagining I'm
> there. I just drive my bicycle on the public roadway while obeying, and
> receiving the benefits of, all* the ordinary rules of the road for drivers
> of vehicles.
>
> *except those that are prohibited by California's peculiar bicycle-specific
> laws

Perhaps the thing I miss the most is not the catchy Dutch name, but
the fact that cycling there is very SOCIAL.

My Comandante Bike vehicle (equivalent to a Mercedes) is a Electra
Amsterdam 3 spd classic, modified to show prestige and ultimate
comfort. Actually I could compete with a Rolls Royce, but got no
public.

Many people don't realize we are already living in dystopia.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 12:05 am
From: lizhou zhu

Saw palmetto has been getting a lot of attention recently as a natural
cure for hair loss. Is there any evidence that it works? While it is
true that saw palmetto is a natural product and an herbal supplement;
I think it's important to discuss the dangers behind what I call the
"herbal mentality." It's easy to fall into the belief that plant
extracts are "natural" and that substances that are plant-based are
naturally healthier for us. However, many of our legal (and illegal)
drugs are based on plant extracts! Although we tend to think of
natural substances as being harmless and good for us, there are some
dangers to consider-for example, if someone told you that "poppy seed
extract" was a great "natural" way to get a good night's sleep, they
would only be telling part of the story.

Many narcotics, poisons, and even legitimate medical treatments come
from leaves and roots, rather than laboratories. Unfortunately, the
wave of new-age medicine and do-it-yourself healing has given more
people the opinion that they can cure themselves with a pamphlet and a
few drops of essential oils. I strongly believe that natural remedies
can work, and that is exactly why I believe that people should really
know what they're doing before they start to throw back a bottle of
something that claims to grow hair (and shrink an enlarged prostate,
and grow breast tissue, and cure pelvic pain, and regulate a menstrual
cycle-assuming that you are even designed to have one.)

Moving on to my second concern-if it does one thing, how do you know
that's all it does? Minoxidil (one of the only FDA approved hair
growth medications) was originally developed as a treatment for high
blood pressure. Researchers discovered that it created the growth of
thicker, darker bodily hair; this strange side-effect ballooned into a
marketing opportunity. Certainly, many men and women are happy for
this unusual side-effect, but I think it's wisest to stick with tested
treatments. I wouldn't want to be the man who takes saw palmetto for
hair growth and discovers that it also increases breast tissue!

In the case of saw palmetto, there are claims that it inhibits
dihydrotestosterone or DHT (the androgenic hormone that leads to hair
loss). However, manufacturers mostly advertise it as an aid in urinary
function and men's prostate health; it has been specifically tested
for its effects on the urinary symptoms of an enlarged prostate gland-
however, according to the National Center for Complementary and
Alternative Medicine, there has been no conclusive evidence of any
real benefit for that condition either.

A final consideration with any treatment containing herbal extracts is
that the manufacturing process for herbal supplements is not as
stringent as it is within the pharmaceutical industry. It is likely
that different batches or brands of an herbal supplement can have very
different concentrations or levels of effectiveness. This can be a
troubling concern when it is combined with the fact that, without
clinical trials, no one knows exactly what amount is a recommended
dosage and what level would lead to an overdose. Overall, although
there may be a connection between saw palmetto and hair growth, I
wouldn't feel comfortable recommending it to anyone without clinical
trials, FDA approval, and government regulation. This will sound
harsh, but until it is government-proven, you're essentially running a
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 5:37 am
From: "David"

"Derek C" <del.copeland@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
news:f6194b40-7176-4a3d-ae92-6e5693245a0c@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> Nobody in recent history has ever successfully invaded and controlled
> Afghanistan, even the greatest Superpowers of their day (Russia,
> British Empire, etc), so why should the Yanks and the modern day Brits
> do any better? This was a fool's errand dreamed up by that fool George
> W Bush and his pet poodle crony Tony Blair. If it was intended to
> suppress terrorism, it has had entirely the opposite effect.

.....and the whole British intervention voted for by the Tories and 'New
Labour'.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 8:24 am
From: Sir Jeremy

On 2 Aug, 02:55, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Leave Afghanistan for nations that want to build nations other than
> their own. Some countries want to pacify Afghanistan, but then not
> even their backyard is secure. Mexico is sinking into chaos, and their
> own cities are walled for security.
>
> "Dutch become 1st NATO member to quit Afghanistan"
>
> KABUL, Afghanistan – The Netherlands became the first NATO country to
> end its combat mission in Afghanistan, drawing the curtain Sunday on a
> four-year operation that was deeply unpopular at home and even brought
> down a Dutch government.
>
> ***
>
> The Dutch are busy building bike facilities for their citizens, and
> someday we may truly need them to do nation building based around the
> bicycle.
>
> "Bicycles Against Poverty (BAP) Project"
>
> http://www.dosomething.org/project/bicycle-against-poverty-bap-project
>
> ---------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "Bicycle is the smart way to go to pacify the world"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

I'll bet you were a draft dodger

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 8:33 pm
From: VFW

In article
<f6194b40-7176-4a3d-ae92-6e5693245a0c@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Derek C <del.copeland@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:

> On Aug 4, 4:27 am, VFW <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <01750e9c-d916-41c3-bdec-71f7d2194...@v6g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Leave Afghanistan for nations that want to build nations other than
> > > their own. Some countries want to pacify Afghanistan, but then not
> > > even their backyard is secure. Mexico is sinking into chaos, and their
> > > own cities are walled for security.
> >
> > > "Dutch become 1st NATO member to quit Afghanistan"
> >
> > > KABUL, Afghanistan The Netherlands became the first NATO country to
> > > end its combat mission in Afghanistan, drawing the curtain Sunday on a
> > > four-year operation that was deeply unpopular at home and even brought
> > > down a Dutch government.
> >
> > > ***
> >
> > > The Dutch are busy building bike facilities for their citizens, and
> > > someday we may truly need them to do nation building based around the
> > > bicycle.
> >
> > > "Bicycles Against Poverty (BAP) Project"
> >
> > >http://www.dosomething.org/project/bicycle-against-poverty-bap-project
> >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > > THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
> >
> > > "Bicycle is the smart way to go to pacify the world"
> >
> > >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
> >
> > thanks for the good news. Others to follow?
> > --
> > Money! What a concept.- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Nobody in recent history has ever successfully invaded and controlled
> Afghanistan, even the greatest Superpowers of their day (Russia,
> British Empire, etc), so why should the Yanks and the modern day Brits
> do any better? This was a fool's errand dreamed up by that fool George
> W Bush and his pet poodle crony Tony Blair. If it was intended to
> suppress terrorism, it has had entirely the opposite effect.

actually , it was the dream of the Neo-Cons. bush was just a shill.
the goal . and they are making progress is to have a presence there to
keep an eye on Oil, a pipeline and Pakistan's Nukes.
--
Money! What a concept.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 10:20 pm
From: Derek C

On Aug 4, 1:37 pm, "David" <n...@selectfire.co.uk> wrote:
> "Derek C" <del.copel...@tiscali.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:f6194b40-7176-4a3d-ae92-6e5693245a0c@i31g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Nobody in recent history has ever successfully invaded and controlled
> > Afghanistan, even the greatest Superpowers of their day (Russia,
> > British Empire, etc), so why should the Yanks and the modern day Brits
> > do any better? This was a fool's errand dreamed up by that fool George
> > W Bush and his pet poodle crony Tony Blair. If it was intended to
> > suppress terrorism, it has had entirely the opposite effect.
>
> .....and the whole British intervention voted for by the Tories and 'New
> Labour'.

Only because they were fooled by the 'Tony knows best' rhetoric. The
Lib-Dems voted against the interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan and
several New Labour cabinet ministers resigned over these issues,
including Claire Short and Robin Cook.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 6:32 am
From: Paypal Dollars

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 9:08 am
From: "Bob F"

Alex wrote:
> Michael, you said I probably got the idea from heating, but honestly I
> didn't think about having a timer on the electric water heater until
> reading other posts after I posted my comment. As you suggested I'll
> need to test how much electricity our hot water heater uses, by
> monitoring the meter, but given our hot water heater is in the garage
> with Texas summers, it's VERY warm in there most days as it is. I
> wonder if a timer would help if we only had it turn on the water
> heater from 4am to 6am so the water's warm for AM showers, then again
> from 4pm to 6pm so it's warm for evening kids baths, laundry, etc. I
> bet with the garage staying as warm as it is, that would help keep the
> water warm. Then for winters I could adjust the timer and wrap the
> water heater.

How warm is your incoming water? If it is cold, an extra uninsulated tank
plumbed between the cold water and your water heater could take advantage of the
warm garage to pre-heat your water and save you substantial power. Probably way
more than timers on any/all electrical device(s) in your house.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 9:15 am
From: "Lord Vetinari"

<panamfloyd@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e60b0a23-c22e-4cb6-b5c2-08ab74a768c0@x25g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
: On Aug 3, 4:25 pm, "Lord Vetinari" <vetin...@att.net> wrote:
: > <panamfl...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: >
: > news:25fbba9e-1f05-4861-87c2-b3e9d059f60a@m1g2000yqo.googlegroups.com...
: > [snip]
: > : A new Ferrari owner was stopped at a traffic signal next to an old man
: > : on a moped. "How fast *is* that thing?", the old man asked. "About
: > : 370kph!" was the answer. "Eh, I think I'll keep my moped.", the old
: > : man replied. So the new owner thought he'd show the old man something.
: > : The light on the signal changed, and the Ferrari guy hit the throttle.
: > : In three seconds, he was doing a hundred. But the old man was still in
: > : his mirror! Undaunted, the driver bent his toe some more and was soon
: > : doing 150! Stll, there was the old man on the moped, still in his
: > : mirror. Now angry, the Ferrari pilot floored it. He looked up just as
: > : the needle was sweeping past 300, and that cursed moped was still
: > : there!! Giving up, the new owner backed out of it, and eventually
: > : pulled to a stop. "What do I have to do to get a moped like *that*?"
: > : he asked. The old man replied, "Well, you could start by unhooking my
: > : suspender strap from your spoiler!"
: >
: > I prefer "Beep Beep", it's not quite the same, but funnier. Still, this
: > one's damned funny too.
:
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4W7oZBhAJg
:
: <g>

Heh

: snippy
:
: > : And there's other good ones about Ronaldo wadding his up here:
: >
:http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2009/01/09/cristiano-ronaldo...
: >
: > Good job! He seemed rather blasé, though, about wrecking a million bucks
: > worth of fine automobile.
:
: I guess he figures he's going to be playing forever..

Relevance? It wasn't his car...

: that seems to be
: the case with a lot of pro athletes in the US, can't think of why real
: footballers wouldn't do the same in Europe. ;)

Perhaps many athletes pour all their efforts into getting there, and once
there, are having too much fun to worry about the future. I'm just
guessing, of course.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 9:17 am
From: "Lord Vetinari"

"Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidnits@eternal-september.invalid> wrote in message
news:i3a52a$tr5$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>I want to thank you bait sucking morons for contributing so nicely to my
>killfile.
>
> Get a clue, or pull the plug. Please.
>
> <plonk>

You _might_ get better results, if you bothered to indicate in some manner
just who you're directing this lame flame. Prolly not.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 10:41 am
From: Cully J

On Jul 31, 12:45 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Which means that cars outnumber bicycles by 1,000 to 1. Funny, that
> city is still in the middle of a very poor country, and they could be
> make better use of bicycles than cars.
>
> India and China are nearby and they use the bicycle extensively.
> Though they also want to leave it behind for the outcasts and want to
> embrace CAPITALISM with full power, ie. SUVs and all.
>
> In this clip of Kabul, you don't see the homeless, a staple of Western
> capitals, but you do see a few bikes, riding againsttraffic, whatever
> it takes to survive in chaos...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZyHX3KqSl0&feature=related
>
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> WHEN THE REVOLUTION IS THE SOLUTION
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

Even if you commute on a dual suspension mountain bike, those streets
are awful! Yet more proof that the automobile has destroyed the urban
landscape!

Cullen

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Aug 4 2010 12:49 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Aug 4, 10:41 am, Cully J <ccar...@new.rr.com> wrote:
> On Jul 31, 12:45 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Which means that cars outnumber bicycles by 1,000 to 1. Funny, that
> > city is still in the middle of a very poor country, and they could be
> > make better use of bicycles than cars.
>
> > India and China are nearby and they use the bicycle extensively.
> > Though they also want to leave it behind for the outcasts and want to
> > embrace CAPITALISM with full power, ie. SUVs and all.
>
> > In this clip of Kabul, you don't see the homeless, a staple of Western
> > capitals, but you do see a few bikes, riding againsttraffic, whatever
> > it takes to survive in chaos...
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZyHX3KqSl0&feature=related
>
> > ----------------------------------------------
>
> > WHEN THE REVOLUTION IS THE SOLUTION
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION
>
> Even if you commute on a dual suspension mountain bike, those streets
> are awful! Yet more proof that the automobile has destroyed the urban
> landscape!
>
> Cullen

If Afghanistan we can expect the Humvees and tanks to put potholes
everywhere, thus it must be a magnificent place to go mountain biking.
The IED's leave extra deep obstacles.