Frugal Living: Jan 29, 2009

Thursday, January 29, 2009

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Have you ever ate roadkill?
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 9:11 pm
From: "Mike"

"Tomes" <ask.me@here.net> wrote in message
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> "Omelet"...
>> James wrote:
>>
>>> I have. After the buck ran into my new compact car and did over $1700
>>> damage, you bet your deer he ended up in my freezer.
>>
>> That's not legal in most states tho'.
>
> Dunno how true this is. When a deer landed on my windshield and the cop
> needed to shoot it he asked me if I wanted it.
> Tomes <- in NJ
In my early 20 s I dispatched a wounded road warrior Deer with a Buck
knife no less. after whittling away the bruised meat I had quite a few
steaks and some good chili makings. I have found venison to be much better
tasting if they dont wrassel with automobiles

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 12:44 am
From: squirltok@yahoo.com

Omelet wrote:
> In article
> <365ce340-9bc1-4c93-8674-ccb59ce6fb08@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have. After the buck ran into my new compact car and did over $1700
> > damage, you bet your deer he ended up in my freezer.
>
> That's not legal in most states tho'.
> --

I do think that some states have roadside cleaning stations.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 12:54 am
From: squirltok@yahoo.com

Cornholio wrote:
> "Omelet" <ompomelet@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ompomelet-269F80.21021126012009@news-wc.giganews.com...
> > In article
> > <365ce340-9bc1-4c93-8674-ccb59ce6fb08@g39g2000pri.googlegroups.com>,
> > James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I have. After the buck ran into my new compact car and did over $1700
> >> damage, you bet your deer he ended up in my freezer.
> >
> > That's not legal in most states tho'.
>
>
> It is in Tn, and yes, I've eaten roadkill deer.
> The shoulder she took the bumper with was almost like hamburger. We tossed
> that. The rest was fine.
>

We had a highway, icy roads, no way to stop. Icy elk was called,
flattened elk.

Flatter than swedish pankakes!!

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 1:10 am
From: squirltok@yahoo.com

Dave Smith wrote:
> KevinS wrote:
> > On Jan 26, 9:03�pm, spop...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
> >
> >> Sounds like a holdover from English law concerning
> >> poachers.
> >
> > Maybe so, although intentionally driving one's car into
> > good sized deers would have to be one of the dumber
> > pastimes.
>
> That is an expensive way to kill a deer. They can do a lot of damage to
> a car.
>
> I did have occasion to prosecute the oc-
> > casional poacher. They tended not to be among the
> > brighter or more ambitious people I have ever come
> > across.
>
> I had a sumer job in an alloy smelting plant while attending university.
> There was a guy in there who didn't like the student summer workers, and
> we never thought much of him because he was so vocal and incredibly
> stupid. He got got poaching deer back in his home province. The natural
> resouces people used to prop up dead deer in a field near a road, close
> enough that the headlights would light up their eys. The poachers would
> stop, get out and take a shot. This guy fell for it and got caught
> ..... twice.

Saw the artificial target, that dum me and dum put up. even have movin
ears and so.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 1:15 am
From: squirltok@yahoo.com

KevinS wrote:
> On Jan 27, 10:27�am, "Virginia Tadrzynski"
> <ta...@enter.net> wrote:
>
> > �I have hit two deer, both damn near totalled
> > the vehicle and both times the buck walked away,
>
> It's a special treat when the deer comes through the
> windshield.

deer butturds at best

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 9:37 am
From: Omelet

In article <glr24c$mj9$1@news.motzarella.org>,
"Tomes" <ask.me@here.net> wrote:

> "Omelet"...
> > James wrote:
> >
> >> I have. After the buck ran into my new compact car and did over $1700
> >> damage, you bet your deer he ended up in my freezer.
> >
> > That's not legal in most states tho'.
>
> Dunno how true this is. When a deer landed on my windshield and the cop
> needed to shoot it he asked me if I wanted it.
> Tomes <- in NJ

Note I said "Most", not "all" states.

A lot, too, will depend on the cop.

If YOU don't haul it home, he's required to, then has to have the blood
cleaned out of the trunk of his patrol car.
--
Peace! Om

"Any ship can be a minesweeper. Once." -- Anonymous

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TOPIC: "Expect Massive Layoffs In 2009", say top economists. Let's see if
Obama pushes amnesty for ILLEGAL ALIENS in spite of this.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 2:53 am
From: hpope@lycos.com

On Jan 28, 8:42 pm, jimj122...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Story:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090128/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy
>
> The U.S. economy is tanking and most economist expect massive layoffs
> in the coming 12 months. Will Obama still push amnesty for his
> beloved ILLEGAL ALIENS (ie. border jumping, job stealing, welfare
> leeches)?
>
> ###

I would expect 'Bama to tiptoe around the subject until, if ever, the
economy revives.
There is tremendous pressure from touchy-feely organizations plus the
old whores
at The National Chamber of Commerce of the USA. Anything for votes or
increased
profits.

mitch

http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 5:07 am
From: "Vito"

<hpope@lycos.com> wrote
jimj122...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> The U.S. economy is tanking and most economist expect massive layoffs
>> in the coming 12 months. Will Obama still push amnesty for his
>> beloved ILLEGAL ALIENS (......

>There is tremendous pressure from touchy-feely organizations plus the
>old whores at The National Chamber of Commerce of the USA. Anything >for
>votes or increased profits.

Don't forget parishioners and donations. When they tried to pass a law
against hiring illegals in Brevard Co. Florida, the biggest opponant was the
Catholic Church.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 5:59 am
From: "Raymond O'Hara"

<hpope@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:fe3b30f1-5856-4a05-9487-2b3d23d4942e@j39g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 28, 8:42 pm, jimj122...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Story:http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090128/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/economy
>
> The U.S. economy is tanking and most economist expect massive layoffs
> in the coming 12 months. Will Obama still push amnesty for his
> beloved ILLEGAL ALIENS (ie. border jumping, job stealing, welfare
> leeches)?
>
> ###

mitch

http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA

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the repubs and bush had 8 years to do something but wall street loves the
illegals, they depress wages and increase profits and all those rich folk
need someone to cut the greass.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 6:30 am
From: "."

On Jan 29, 5:59�am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

> the repubs and bush had 8 years to do something but wall street loves the
> illegals, they depress wages and increase profits and all those rich folk
> need someone to cut the greass.

"Greass", you say? You must be a city dweller.

I live in California's central valley, where everybody *knows* that
80% of the agricultural work force is illegal aliens from Mexico and
central America.

Agriculture is 50% of California's economy and the filthy rich farmers
of the Western Growers Association owe their lavish lifestyles to the
sweating Mexicans laboring (and sometimes dying) in the hot summer
sun.

The farmers are not going to let go of their Mexicans willingly, they
want them to stay, even if it means that American-American ag workers
have no jobs.

The central valley farmers didn't want Negros living and working in
the valley, so
the only place you ever see a Black person is in one of the larger
towns.

As a matter of fact, when California became a state before the Civil
War, the
state government didn't allow any Negros to enter the state, they
didn't want slavery to become established here.

But there was already a group of people who were de facto slaves. They
were the
Mexican peasants, an ignorant, superstitious, and impoverished bunch,
who were willing to live and work on the farmer's land, just to have a
place to stay and something to eat.

If you ever read John Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath", be aware that
it's a true story about what happened during the Great Depression,
when the Mexican laborers were sent back to Mexico (with the
cooperation of the Mexican consulates in the southwestern states) in
order to free up jobs for American-Americans.

The Western Growers Association plastered the impoverished Dust Bowl
with flyers advertising ag jobs to the dead broke share croppers
there.

So they came to California's central valley to pick fruit and nuts. As
soon as the WGA farmers had a desperate ag force living in the shacks
that had previously been inhabited by Mexicans, they started cutting
the piece rate, and they organized vigilante groups against the "reds"
who were attempting to organize and unionize the pickers.

Steinbeck's *other* book about the situation is called "In Dubious
Battle", and it depicts what happened to union organizer around
Watsonville. That book also ends violently.

What Steinbeck wrote about occurred 70+ years ago, but, what has
happened before will happen again, unless the state and federal
governments do something to stabilize the situation.

It's easier for the governments to give the Mexicans amnesty and get
them to pay a small fine and select the year that they want to pay
taxes for, rather than to get American-Americans trained to do ag work
or to bring Negros from the slums of Detroit, Baltimore or Cleveland
to do the jobs that Mexicans are doing now.

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TOPIC: Warning about defective Toastmaster oven is NOT spam Re: Toaster oven
spam
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 3:31 am
From: skulluton@live.com

clams_casino wrote:
> itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net wrote:
>
> >
> >How long did it take you to dig out this OLD warning?
> >
No time at all, I just happened upon it.
>
>
> It's lead-in SPAM sent via Norway - Not a spam, and no, I dont work for any of Toastmasters competitors.

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TOPIC: the fabulous entertainment problem
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 5:18 am
From: "Woody"

Thanks to everyone for their replies.

Woody

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 6:38 am
From: SMS

Woody wrote:
> The bad news is that I was late reporting my (nonexistent) December
> employment income, so it looks like my end of January disability check will
> be delayed, for I don't know how long.
>
> The good news is that my housing expenses are covered, I have enough food to
> last me a while, there are no bills due until February 21st, and I have $10
> left for things like laundry.
>
> So I guess my real problem--bearing in mind that I don't know when I'm going
> to have money again--is entertainment. Reading 50-cent discard-rack books
> and watching TV gets to be old after a while.
>
> Instead of asking what you think I should do with myself until and unless I
> get money again, let me ask: What would _you_ do with yourself in my
> situation?
>
> Woody

Check out DVDs and Videos from the library. Actually do this even when
you do have money.

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TOPIC: How to be sure your firewood is dry.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 7:15 am
From: Okikuru

buy it now or in the spring GREEN. it's cheaper and you can dry it
properly yourself. you can stack it outside if you slant it bark side up.
or cover it with waxed cardboard boxes. found at your grocery store.
makes great firestarter too.
--
Now,is the time for all good men to come
to the aid of their country.

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TOPIC: Polar Fleece and Flannel.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 7:17 am
From: Okikuru

I'm sure everyone knows about Flannel sheets. Comfy.
and you can't beat a Polar Fleece hat. one loses a lot of heat through
the head.
Enjoy Winter
--
Now,is the time for all good men to come
to the aid of their country.

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TOPIC: Telephone company for a personal toll-free (888) number
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 7:20 am
From: gorakhpuri@gmail.com

I have had a personal toll free number (888-xxx-xxxx), that rings back
to my home phone, for >5 years. got this in the days when I did not
have a cell #, and to avoid the exhorbitant cost of collect calls.

Now the usage is very low, some months nothing, other months just a
few calls. The carrier (AireSpring) just informed me that beginning
next month, they would charge $2/month for "low activity", if my usage
is under $15/month. My bills is under $15 for the WHOLE YEAR!

looking for recommendations for some carrier which does not have any
inactivity /low activity fee, or "maintennce" charges. I am fine with
online only bills (reduces the cost of carrier), and also, per minute
charges can be up to 8 to 10 cents/minute, if need be.

Thanks.

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TOPIC: High-Fructose Corn Syrup High in Mercury
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 8:39 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Jan 28, 10:10 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:nT8gl.2820$Aw2.965@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
>
>
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> > "clams_casino" <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
> >news:Rq3gl.170260$H12.151431@newsfe12.iad...
> >> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
> >>> High-Fructose Corn Syrup High in Mercury
>
> >> Adding corn syrup products is a very inefficient way to add mercury into
> >> one's diet. Tuna and sword fish are a much better source of this
> >> element.
>
> > and just how much fish does the average american eat in comparison to hfcs
> > laden soda? and at least we are aware of the mercury in tuna and
> > swordfish. now you know it's in soda and just about everything else on
> > your grocer's shelves.
>
> per capita consumption of hfcs appears to be about 40 lbs/yr as per usda
> data. water weighs about 8.35 lbs per gallon. i'd say 40 lbs is probably
> about 4 GALLONS of hfcs per person per year. wanna guess the mercury
> content of that?
> mercury is cumulative. it doesn't excrete.
>
> http://www.hfcsfacts.com/PerCapitaConsumption.html
>
> ps. since the consumer has caught on about the dangers of hfcs, i think
> that some labels say corn sweetner. if it was plain old corn syrup, it
> would say that, so what else could corn sweetner be?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

HFCS should not be consumed by human beings. Period. I can't believe
anyone chooses to ingest it. It's not exactly hard to avoid - just
read the labels. Better yet, try making your food from actual
ingredients (meat, veggies, fruit, dairy, etc.) instead of buying
processed junk. Everyone complains about HFCS in soda, but they seem
to forget about the phosphoric acid, which is also very bad.
Carbonated beverages are another thing (even sugar-free) human beings
don't need. What ever happened to cooking real food and drinking water?

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 9:36 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

<tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
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On Jan 28, 10:10 pm, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:nT8gl.2820$Aw2.965@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
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> > "clams_casino" <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
> >news:Rq3gl.170260$H12.151431@newsfe12.iad...
> >> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
> >>> High-Fructose Corn Syrup High in Mercury
>
> >> Adding corn syrup products is a very inefficient way to add mercury
> >> into
> >> one's diet. Tuna and sword fish are a much better source of this
> >> element.
>
> > and just how much fish does the average american eat in comparison to
> > hfcs
> > laden soda? and at least we are aware of the mercury in tuna and
> > swordfish. now you know it's in soda and just about everything else on
> > your grocer's shelves.
>
> per capita consumption of hfcs appears to be about 40 lbs/yr as per usda
> data. water weighs about 8.35 lbs per gallon. i'd say 40 lbs is probably
> about 4 GALLONS of hfcs per person per year. wanna guess the mercury
> content of that?
> mercury is cumulative. it doesn't excrete.
>
> http://www.hfcsfacts.com/PerCapitaConsumption.html
>
> ps. since the consumer has caught on about the dangers of hfcs, i think
> that some labels say corn sweetner. if it was plain old corn syrup, it
> would say that, so what else could corn sweetner be?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

i avoid the stuff as much as possible by doing the above. unless we
consumers demand that it be removed via our dollars, it won't.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 9:42 am
From: Dave Garland

tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:

> Carbonated beverages are another thing (even sugar-free) human beings
> don't need.

Ah, but beer is naturally carbonated. Real beer, anyhow. And in the
old days, was often safer to drink than the water.

Dave

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TOPIC: Breathe Rite nasal strips
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 8:55 am
From: Dave

On Jan 28, 7:55 pm, finding z0 <j...@excite.com> wrote:
> I use them occassionally and they help me breathe and not snore. It
> would be pricey to use them every night. I've always wondered if the
> secret to reusing them would be to find the right glue to reapply. I
> found these 2 products and wondered if anyone has tried them?
>
> http://www.ameswalker.com/accessories.html?iorb=4764&utm_source=Spons...
>
> http://www.exmed.net/dept.asp?dept_id=491
> (first 2 products)

I recently spotted the Breathe Right strips in Sam's Club, with their
37-count package reduced dramatically, as they are expecting a new 50-
count box. They were blowing the old sizwe out for $3 plus change, and
that makes them very affordable. Last I looked, they still had some.
They are really a great product,

Dave

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 10:24 am
From: me@privacy.net

Dave <djensen36@cox.net> wrote:

>They are really a great product,

Can they really help with snoring tho?

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TOPIC: Outrage; stimulus package would give checks to illegal aliens.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 10:55 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1

Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:

htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/

ted

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 11:16 am
From: GLOBALIST

On Jan 29, 12:55 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D960U4HG0&show_article=1
>
> Anything to secure votes. Email or call your senator via this site:
>
> htttp://www.visi.com/juan/congress/
>
> ted

Undocumented workers pay $7 Billion into Social Security and Medicare
each year and have paid as much as a half a $Trillion since '84.
Undocumented workers spend their money just like you do.

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TOPIC: feds want your medical records
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 11:11 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

> Electronic records are the only way to significantly reduce medical
> costs. Hopefully they will reduce record keeping costs about half has
> they have done in most all other industries.
>
Read mu posts and learn
http://cheapogroovo.vox.com/library/posts/tags/health+care+costs/

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TOPIC: retirement funds
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 29 2009 11:13 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

In article <384gl.218587$2w3.49551@newsfe19.iad>,
PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com says...
> I've now made more money in my retirement funds in just eight days under
> Obama than I did in eight years under GW.
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPSqL9_mfM

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TOPIC: Nazi t-shirt sold at Walmart
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 6:16 pm
From: On a Clear Day

On Jan 28, 10:11 am, "Daniel T." <danie...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> What is at issue is the fact that Walmart pledged to recall the t-shirts
> back in November of 2006. It's now Jan of 2009 and they still have them
> in stores. Likely this means that they not only didn't recall the
> shirts, but have continued to purchase them from their supplier.

"Likely?" You dolt. What is your basis for saying that? You cannot
support that conclusion.
It's stupid. If Wal-Mart were still ordering the shirts, there'd be a
hell of a lot more than the ones in the Cali store. Wal-Mart orders in
BIG lots, you fuckwit.

> I'm not saying Walmart *can't* sell the shirt, I'm saying that they are
> liars.

I'm saying you're just a Wal-Mart basher. Pick a different example,
fool. This one ain't cutting it. There's no fucking motive for the
firm to do what you are accusing them of. You shitbrain.

> "We are deeply sorry that this happened, and we are in the process of
> pulling all of these T-shirts from our stores," Tovar [a
> representative of Walmart] said. "Respect for the individual is a
> core value of our company and we would never have placed this T-shirt
> on our shelves had we known the origin and significance of this
> emblem."
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15702868/
>
> Apparently the above is false. Walmart is not deeply sorry that this
> happened, they are not in the process of pulling all of these T-shirts
> from their stores, respect for the individual is not a core value of
> their company and they would place this T-shirt on their shelves even
> knowing the origin and significance of the emblem.

Again, you must be a fucking stoopid. How do you get a fact from one
Wal-Mart store in Cali and generalize it to the rest of the Wal-Mart
store system? How many Wal-Marts are there, any idea? Over 3,400.
Some goofball stock clerk, some doltish inventory clerk, with about
the same intelligence as you, probably just fucked up.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 6:19 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <nlp1o4dfilf6517hdkodib050t82hn4gnl@4ax.com>,
Patricia Martin Steward <patstew@noteranews.com> wrote:
[ ... ]
>Are you near any colleges? They frequently have free films or
>lectures on interesting subjects. When I was in a similar position to
>yours, I went to a fabulous presentation by Curtis Sliwa, who founded
>that group that patrols subways, etc., in large cities -- the name
>escapes me right now. Heard some amazing stories and learned a little
>something about self defense as well.

That would be the Guardian Angels, perhaps?

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

"Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man"
General of the Army (four stars) Ann Dunwoody

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 6:56 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article <oj3gl.159094$zQ4.155225@en-nntp-02.dc1.easynews.com>,
"Woody" <email@munged.com> wrote:

> The bad news is that I was late reporting my (nonexistent) December
> employment income, so it looks like my end of January disability check will
> be delayed, for I don't know how long.
>
> The good news is that my housing expenses are covered, I have enough food to
> last me a while, there are no bills due until February 21st, and I have $10
> left for things like laundry.
>
> So I guess my real problem--bearing in mind that I don't know when I'm going
> to have money again--is entertainment. Reading 50-cent discard-rack books
> and watching TV gets to be old after a while.
>
> Instead of asking what you think I should do with myself until and unless I
> get money again, let me ask: What would _you_ do with yourself in my
> situation?

Go to a public library. Visit family and/or friends. Do some volunteer
work. Visit any free museums in my area. Take a long walk. Just relax.

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 6:54 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:Rq3gl.170260$H12.151431@newsfe12.iad...
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>
>>
>> High-Fructose Corn Syrup High in Mercury
>>
>
> Adding corn syrup products is a very inefficient way to add mercury into
> one's diet. Tuna and sword fish are a much better source of this
> element.

and just how much fish does the average american eat in comparison to hfcs
laden soda? and at least we are aware of the mercury in tuna and
swordfish. now you know it's in soda and just about everything else on
your grocer's shelves.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 7:10 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nT8gl.2820$Aw2.965@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> "clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
> news:Rq3gl.170260$H12.151431@newsfe12.iad...
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> High-Fructose Corn Syrup High in Mercury
>>>
>>
>> Adding corn syrup products is a very inefficient way to add mercury into
>> one's diet. Tuna and sword fish are a much better source of this
>> element.
>
> and just how much fish does the average american eat in comparison to hfcs
> laden soda? and at least we are aware of the mercury in tuna and
> swordfish. now you know it's in soda and just about everything else on
> your grocer's shelves.

per capita consumption of hfcs appears to be about 40 lbs/yr as per usda
data. water weighs about 8.35 lbs per gallon. i'd say 40 lbs is probably
about 4 GALLONS of hfcs per person per year. wanna guess the mercury
content of that?
mercury is cumulative. it doesn't excrete.

http://www.hfcsfacts.com/PerCapitaConsumption.html

ps. since the consumer has caught on about the dangers of hfcs, i think
that some labels say corn sweetner. if it was plain old corn syrup, it
would say that, so what else could corn sweetner be?

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 6:55 pm
From: finding z0

I use them occassionally and they help me breathe and not snore. It
would be pricey to use them every night. I've always wondered if the
secret to reusing them would be to find the right glue to reapply. I
found these 2 products and wondered if anyone has tried them?

http://www.ameswalker.com/accessories.html?iorb=4764&utm_source=Sponsored&utm_medium=PPC&utm_campaign=BeyondROI

http://www.exmed.net/dept.asp?dept_id=491
(first 2 products)

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 7:31 pm
From: NoSpamForMe@LousyISP.gov

BigDog1 <bigdog811@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jan 28, 1:38 pm, clams_casino <PeterGrif...@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> >http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=87322

>> Electronic records are the only way to significantly reduce medical
>> costs.

The only way? I don't think so. The savings in medical costs are
likely to be trivial. Try reducing end-of-life (especially surgical)
interventions to save the really big bucks.

> Hopefully they will reduce record keeping costs about half has
>> they have done in most all other industries.

And just where do you get the "about half" from? And what are "most
all" other industries? I'd contend that some industries like insurance
and mail order couldn't even function without computerized record
keeping. Others like your local pizza stand have little need.

The real advantage to electronic record keeping is the ease and
accuracy of the process especially in a hospital environment.

>Correct. If electronic records do nothing more than eliminate
>unnecessary repetitive tests when a patient changes providers, it will
>save millions of dollars a year.

Aw, bullshit! I'm trying to work out exactly what axe you have to
grind. Do you sell computers? Medical software?

If a patient changes providers it's likely that the tests, while
perhaps of the same thing, are so that the next provider can see how
the patients condition has changed. It's rare that there's not some
intervening time between the two.

> And that's just the tip of the
>iceberg. To say nothing of the ability to track fraud and abuse in
>the system. Long overdue, given the number of years we've been in the
>information age.

>Of course, there will always be the "big brother is watching" crowd
>who will piss and moan; but they're either paranoid or are already
>gaming the system and are afraid they'll get caught. Who cares what's
>in somebody else's files? I don't!

I guess I fall into the paranoid category. Just what "gaming the
system" do you think would be averted by computerized record keeping?
Remember that things like overuse of schedule II drugs are already
dealt with at the pharmacy level.

Let's see. I'm male and old and I have trouble peeing so I go to my
friendly PCP who says, "BPH, just take these pills and we'll look
again in six months." I'm not too happy with that conclusion and I
want to have another opinion so I go off to some urologist who I want
to start from the beginning. I don't want him to know what the first
guy said (or recorded) because the natural human tendency is to be
influenced by that first decision. I don't want him to have any access
to my records.

He can order another PSA test perhaps even from another lab. A
repetitive test you'd like to cut out? In any event the time between
the PCP test and the urologist test is likely to be a couple of months
and the velocity and quantity of change can be significant.

These two guys might be the greatest MD's since Lister (or whoever you
want to pick) but what about the speed-speaker aka the "wham bam,
thank you ma'am" practitioner? He asks you questions so quickly and
explains so little that nuances that can be significant are lost and
never recorded or are recorded but aren't what you would have said had
you known the significance of them.

And then there's the correction of errors. My wife had a heart attack
a couple of years ago resulting in lots of testing and costs or so her
insurance company records say. Really she had no heart attack but
another woman of about the same age and exactly the same name did. The
insurance company got its electronic hands crossed. Because the heart
attack victim and my wife both have pay-everything policies it didn't
cost anything but the insurance company now has my wife as a heart
attack victim. We've tried for the last two years to have this
corrected but according to everyone we're allowed to speak to at the
insurance company (various bimbettes who assert that they can't make
any decision themselves) it doesn't matter since we didn't pay
anything. What about prior health care problems if we change
companies? You see the Kafkaesque nightmare computerized records and
non-responsive (that's all of them) companies can create. Sure you
want more computerization?

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 7:48 pm
From: James

On Jan 28, 12:49 am, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:
> timebomb.11.paulker...@xoxy.net wrote:
> > James wrote:
> >> My furnace is probably under 60% efficiency but it don't really get
> >> that cold here. Any one have first hand experience in savings after
> >> replacing an old furnace with a high-efficieny furnace?
>
> >> Also what did you save if you bought expensive replacement windows?
>
> >> I've more than double the insulation in the attic but can't really
> >> tell how much I'm saving because of varying temperatures and fuel
> >> costs. It had about 4" of rock wool.
>
> > Start with what you spend on heating now. If you go from a 60% furnace
> > to 90%, you would save about 1/3 of that bill.
> > Insulation generally pays for itself in most climates in terms of
> > heating and cooling cost and comfort. Insulation is cheap. If it's
> > your labor, that's pretty cheap if you have the time.
> > Expensive replacement windows are not as important as figuring out
> > where your heat is going.
>
> That is it, exactly.
>
> Heat escapes everywhere, including the floor and walls. Drafts are
> the worst.
>
> You can get an idea with an inexpensive IR thermometer and reading
> interior surface temps. Since you have rockwool in the attic, I wonder
> what insulation you have in the walls.
> Tossing more insulation in an attic is of little benefit if most of
> your heat is lost elsewhere.
>
> I'm a huge believer in blown in cellulose insulation, it's very cheap
> and easy to install. I did my walls a couple years ago and have followed
> up with underfloor insulation. The difference in comfort is dramatic.
>
> As far as windows, either exterior storms, or something on the inside
> is fairly cheap. Or if the view is unimportant, either bubblewrap them
> or some kind of movable insulation, even heavy drapes. Weatherize first
> to eliminate leaks.
>
> Jeff
>
> That can be done at reasonable cost with
>
>
>
> > thermal imaging. They go around your home with an infared cam and the
> > heat loss can be seen.
>
> > Don't spend money unless you can see the payback in under seven years
> > or so.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's a toss up for me because it'll take at least 7 years to pay the
cost of a new furnace. My heat for the last 12 months was less than
$800.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 8:00 pm
From: josejarvie@ssnet.net

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:38:13 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Marsha
<mas@xeb.net> wrote:

> Dr. Wajahat
>> Mehal, MD, PhD, from Yale School of Medicine (New Haven, CT).
>>

What asprin manufacturer was he paid by?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 8:29 pm
From: Dave

On Jan 28, 9:00 pm, josejar...@ssnet.net wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:38:13 -0500, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Marsha
>
> <m...@xeb.net> wrote:
> > Dr. Wajahat
> >> Mehal, MD, PhD, from Yale School of Medicine (New Haven, CT).
>
> What asprin manufacturer was he paid by?

Oooow , . . Thats pretty hard core paranoid, eh? However, Bayer is
located in CT also! Actually, aspirin research is ongoing all over the
world, and it would be tough for one company to "pay off" research on
such a large front!

Dave

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 8:01 pm
From: Jeßus

On Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:19:57 -0800, James wrote:

> I have. After the buck ran into my new compact car and did over $1700
> damage, you bet your deer he ended up in my freezer.

Yep. As long as I know it's fresh and untainted.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Jan 28 2009 9:11 pm
From: "Mike"

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