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TOPIC: need financial advice badly
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:04 am
From: purpleveggie

On 3 Nov, 23:51, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 3 Nov, 23:40, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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>
>
>
> > zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On 3 Nov, 21:39, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >>> I can't belive so many people have been kind hearted enough to give
> > >>> me free advice. I particularly liked the tip of going to rich
> > >>> people in my area and asking them advice on making money!
> > >>> That gave me the thought,if I was good looking enough,wqorking as a
> > >>> male escort would be a nice,pleasurable way of making money.
> > >>> My problem is not that I'm work shy or lazy,but that my
> > >>> psychaiatrist is uttelry incompetent. I mean,once he starts a a
> > >>> given anti- depressant,he refuses to change to another one,even if
> > >>> it's not working. Most guidelines on the net say that a given
> > >>> antidepressant should be given 6 weeks to assess whether or not
> > >>> it's working,and then changed to a different one. However my doctor
> > >>> refuses to change to a different antidepressant no matter what.
> > >>> This man must be responsible for hundreds of poor people leading
> > >>> miserable lifes. But I am worried or reporting him to the NHS,
> > >>> because he's such a smooth talker,and so intelligent that I'm sure
> > >>> he'd talk himself out of any investigation by NHS auditors.
> > >>> Since, he's the only psychiatrist in my area of birmingham,England,
> > >>> I am resgined to my fate.
>
> > >> Not sure how the NHS system works, but could you just have general
> > >> practitioner or internist prescribe you mood meds? Must it be a
> > >> psychiatrist? Or are you also engaged in heavy "talk therapy" with
> > >> him as well?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he can
> > > prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your GP can
> > > change you to a different set of antidepressant pills. However,I
> > > haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my Psychiatrists
> > > prescription.
> > > If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
> > > donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone days
> > > people who were ill would often state they felt better after having
> > > blood removed.
>
> > That was just the placebo effect.
>
> > Plenty claimed to feel better after taking snake oil and homeopathic
> > 'remedys' which cant possibly have had any active ingredients too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yes, it could have been the placebo effect, since I read in a science
> mag a few weeks ago that the placebo effect was very powerful,and that
> the placebo effect lighted up the brain when an MRI scan was done
> after ppl were given dummy sugar placebo pills.
> Back to the topic of making quick money, I just had the idea of going
> to one of those sperm donation places. But for a number of reasons I'm
> reluctant to do so. Firstly I am in need of money badly right now, but
> the idea of that meaning me fathering a child just to get a few money
> notes,is not really viable. Why should a child be bought into the
> world,just so that I can pay off my debts?
> Also, in the future there might be retrospective legislation making it
> possible for children conceived via sperm donation to track down their
> fathers,and even get financial support from them. This also puts me
> off becoming a sperm donator.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

being paid to wank seems like money for old rope.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:32 am
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 4 Nov, 11:02, purpleveggie <purpleveg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On 2 Nov, 22:10, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> > on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> > into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> > I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
> > 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
> > The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
> > can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.
> > I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> > depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> > So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> > making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>
> run up as much debt as you can(apply for zillions of credit/store
> cards)
>
> then declare yourself bankrup.
>
> easy peasy,
>
> lemon squeezy.

Thanks for the tip purpleveggie. But surely it can't be that simple? I
mean, wouldn't the government have caught up weith the fact that
people might abuse the system of declaring themselves bankrupt after
running up debts on purpose?

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 3:43 am
From: purpleveggie

On 4 Nov, 11:32, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On 4 Nov, 11:02, purpleveggie <purpleveg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 2 Nov, 22:10, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> > > on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> > > into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> > > I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
> > > 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
> > > The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
> > > can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.
> > > I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> > > depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> > > So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> > > making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>
> > run up as much debt as you can(apply for zillions of credit/store
> > cards)
>
> > then declare yourself bankrup.
>
> > easy peasy,
>
> > lemon squeezy.
>
> Thanks for the tip purpleveggie. But surely it can't be that simple? I
> mean, wouldn't the government have caught up weith the fact that
> people might abuse the system of declaring themselves bankrupt after
> running up debts on purpose?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

atm its a very easy thing to do.

i suggest you just hit the big boys(hsbc,barclays,nat west etc)

that way you wont hurt any little traders.

google it.......its on the increase all the time here(UK)

ok it will fcuk up your credit rating and you wont be able to be a
director of a company for 10 years but it would get you out of a mess.

Ian

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:20 am
From: "mart2306@hotmail.com"

Yes, they have caught on to the fact that some people do that.
Which means they do examine what happened before you declared
bankruptcy, and can be forced to keep paying from your income for some
time afterwards.

Martin <><

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:30 am
From: zaman_2756@yahoo.com

On 4 Nov, 07:39, Michelle la Belle <aminotem...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 3, 3:11 pm, barbie gee <barbie....@NOSESPAMgmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 3 Nov 2007, Don K wrote:
> > > <zaman_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:1194041419.873824.7490@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> > >> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
> > >> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
> > >> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
> > >> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you upto
> > >> 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing the net.
> > >> The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical drugs which
> > >> can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have ruled them out.
> > >> I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper', but due to my
> > >> depression I don't really have the energy to visit shops.
> > >> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
> > >> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>
> > > Since you're depressed you probably have a hard time doing anything.
>
> > > So the easiest way to make "extra" money is to do even less.
>
> > > Do less by cutting back on your lifestyle until you are living within
> > > your means. That is the surest way to get "extra" money. You don't
> > > have to compete for the job and no one can fire you.
>
> > > Once your lifestyle stabilizes and matches your income, you will find
> > > yourself less stressed. Then you can have something to look forward
> > > to by considering what else you can do to improve your life without
> > > being under pressure to pay your bills.
>
> > why is he looking to earn more, when the clear solution is to spend less?
> > aka, eliminate or reduce the goods and services that are sending you all
> > these "bills". If he doesn't go anywhere, what more than food, shelter
> > and utilities can he be spending on?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> But how would he be able to live without his magic mushrooms and phone
> sex? come on! The guy needs SOME pleasure in life!! ;)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

LOL. Yes,it's hard to live without phone sex,at least once a week. I
mean 3 pounds on phone sex per week ain't so bad. Since I don't smoke
cigarette or drink alcohol. Everyone's gotta have at least one vice!

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 9:45 am
From: Logan Shaw

Michelle la Belle wrote:
> On Nov 3, 1:25 pm, Logan Shaw <lshaw-use...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>> zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:

>> Exercise may not change your mental state, but having your physical
>> energy level increased is still worthwhile. Then again, it can even
>> affect your mental state. Especially heavy-duty cardio (like running
>> 5 miles) can do that. You've heard of a "runner's high", probably,
>> and that does exist, but exercise can also sometimes allow a sort of
>> emotional release where you can let go of your stress and other
>> negative stuff that's floating around in your head and not doing
>> you any good.

> My experience disagrees with you. I tried exercise - walking,
> running, cycling, badminton - nothing gave me more energy. Yoga
> helped relax me. It was not until last year when I was a lot better
> that I got anything like a good feeling from exercise. I started
> working out at a gym and I was amazed at how good it made me feel.
> For the clinically depressed, I'd say, exercise in moderation and get
> as much relaxation as you can.

Depression is a strange thing. Stress can aggravate or even cause
depression. At least with me it seems to be a major contributing
factor. So, you may want to minimize stress. But then how do you
do that?

For myself, I personally found that relaxing too much actually made
me more stressed out. I felt like I was wasting my life and never
accomplishing anything, which of course made me feel stressed out
and depressed. Since then I've settled on a policy of working hard while
I'm working, doing that for a known and limited amount of time, and then
when I'm done with work (whether it's my job or other stuff), doing my
best to immediately forget about it and think about something else.

It also helps me to do stuff to actively get rid of stress, which
includes mentally distracting myself (such as watching a movie instead
of sitting around and vegetating) and getting exercise.

Of course, I'm lucky enough that what depression I suffer from is mild
enough that it can usually be countered with stuff like the above.
I do recognize that other people suffer from depression which is more
severe. I'm not saying that exercise is going to cure anybody. But
I am saying I think it has the potential to help, and if you are
depressed and you haven't tried exercise, you should.

- Logan

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:23 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Jon v Leipzig <JVL@myday.com> wrote:
> Michelle la Belle wrote:
>> On Nov 3, 6:08 pm, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>> No,here in the Uk, once you're referred to a psychiatrist,only he
>>> can prescribe pills. But I do recall scomeone telling me that your
>>> GP can change you to a different set of antidepressant pills.
>>> However,I haven't checked if my GP is willing to overide my
>>> Psychiatrists prescription.
>>> If only the blood donation service gave you financial rewards for
>>> donating blood! Also, i remeber reading somewhere that in bygone
>>> days people who were ill would often state they felt better after
>>> having blood removed.- Hide quoted text -

>> I don't know why they stopped the "drill a hole through the top of
>> your head" technique. That was supposed to relieve all kinds of things.

> Too messy.
> Drugs "drill" thru the blood-brain barrier, accomplish the same thing.

> The "scienc" behind both methods is about the same.

Nope, the drugs are what has allowed the closer of the vast
bulk of locked wards and allowed the loonys to stay at home
or on the streets instead. Which is what most of them prefer.

Its completely trivial to show in proper double blind
trials that they do work quite effectively most of the time.

The only real problem is getting the loonys to keep taking them when they should.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:28 am
From: "Rod Speed"

mart2306@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 4 Nov, 11:32, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On 4 Nov, 11:02, purpleveggie <purpleveg...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 2 Nov, 22:10, zaman_2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>>>> Due to severe depression I am unable to work,And the benefits I'm
>>>> on,such as income support don't cover my bills,hence I have fallen
>>>> into debt. Does anyone know of any easy ways of making extra money?
>>>> I'm thinking along the lines of medical trials,which can earn you
>>>> upto 500 pounds,just for sitting around playing pool and surfing
>>>> the net. The only problem is that these trials use pharmaceutical
>>>> drugs which can cause permanent damage to your body,hence I have
>>>> ruled them out. I have considered becoming a 'mystery shopper',
>>>> but due to my depression I don't really have the energy to visit
>>>> shops.
>>>> So, can anyone do me a favour and think of a relatively easy way of
>>>> making money? (by the way I'm in Birmingham,England).
>>
>>> run up as much debt as you can(apply for zillions of credit/store
>>> cards)
>>
>>> then declare yourself bankrup.
>>
>>> easy peasy,
>>
>>> lemon squeezy.
>>
>> Thanks for the tip purpleveggie. But surely it can't be that simple?
>> I mean, wouldn't the government have caught up weith the fact that
>> people might abuse the system of declaring themselves bankrupt after
>> running up debts on purpose?

> Yes, they have caught on to the fact that some people do that.

But it isnt something that the govt can do much about if
you are prepared to wear the downsides of bankruptcy.

> Which means they do examine what happened before you declared bankruptcy,

It isnt hard to make it look plausible, particularly when
you have the psych consultations on your record etc.

> and can be forced to keep paying from your income for some time afterwards.

In practice thats very easy to avoid in his situation.

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TOPIC: They're spoiling christmas
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:34 am
From: "Don K"

"timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
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> Here it is, only the first few days of November, and I can't go into a
> store without be bombarded by Christmas advertising. I like Christmas,
> but it's hard not to get sick of it before Dec 25th with marketing gone
> amok. I wish there would be a consumer backlash to force Christmas back
> until after Thanksgiving. But I guess spoiling Christmas for the
> majority doesn't matter to advertisers so long as it gets a few people
> to shop.

Which is a good reason to stay out of those malls and stores as much
as possible.

I don't go holiday shopping until I'm in the mood to do so, which for
me, is a lot closer to the holidays. Until then, I have no trouble staying
away from malls and such.

Don

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:25 am
From: Marsha

Don K wrote:
> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
>>Here it is, only the first few days of November, and I can't go into a
>>store without be bombarded by Christmas advertising. I like Christmas,
>>but it's hard not to get sick of it before Dec 25th with marketing gone
>>amok. I wish there would be a consumer backlash to force Christmas back
>>until after Thanksgiving. But I guess spoiling Christmas for the
>>majority doesn't matter to advertisers so long as it gets a few people
>>to shop.
>
> Which is a good reason to stay out of those malls and stores as much
> as possible.
>
> I don't go holiday shopping until I'm in the mood to do so, which for
> me, is a lot closer to the holidays. Until then, I have no trouble staying
> away from malls and such.
>
> Don
>

It's easy enough to stay away from the malls, but even
the grocery stores around here brought out the candy
canes and Christmas decorations last week. You can't
avoid grocery shopping.

Marsha/Ohio

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:48 am
From: mavigozler

timeOday <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in misc.consumers.frugal-
living:

> Here it is, only the first few days of November, and I can't go into a
> store without be bombarded by Christmas advertising. I like Christmas,
> but it's hard not to get sick of it before Dec 25th with marketing gone
> amok. I wish there would be a consumer backlash to force Christmas back
> until after Thanksgiving. But I guess spoiling Christmas for the
> majority doesn't matter to advertisers so long as it gets a few people
> to shop.

I would bet that if someone does a study, they will find that the time that
the marketing of Christmas by retailers begins is dependent upon the
expectations of those retailers about how glum or optimistic they are about
the forecasted sales.

My view is that the earlier they start, the more pessimisstic they are
about the Xmas (commercialized Christmas) season.

I hear "economists"---cheerleaders for the government's present economic
policy who make (probably paid) appearances on CNBC---say that Christmas
2007 is going to be hopeful for retailers, which contrasts with my belief
that starting the Christmas shopping season before the Friday after
Thanksgiving day (the "official" opening of the Xmas season) is a sign that
they are not hopeful.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:53 am
From: Anthony Matonak

Marsha wrote:
...
> It's easy enough to stay away from the malls, but even the grocery
> stores around here brought out the candy canes and Christmas decorations
> last week. You can't avoid grocery shopping.

You can avoid almost anything except death and taxes. They're
working on the death part. :)

A lot of places you can get your groceries delivered.

Anthony

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:44 am
From: "Don K"

"Anthony Matonak" <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote in message
news:472cf85e$0$19659$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...

> Deceptive packaging abounds. That's why carbon batteries are marked
> "Heavy Duty" in big letters and why cereal boxes are tall, wide,
> very shallow and only half filled.

It's not deceptive, the extra space in those Duracells is simply the result
of electrons settling during shipment.

Don

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 4:48 am
From: "Don K"

"max" <betatron@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:betatron-2A8BB2.04092704112007@news.ftupet.com...
>
> D cells have always had more more ma-hrs than AA's, at least until
> Energizer came along.

As I recall, Radio Shack also made some batteries that were built from
regular smaller ones soldered inside a larger case package.

They were extraordinarily light for the size.

Don

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 9:22 am
From: Logan Shaw

Don K wrote:
> "max" <betatron@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:betatron-2A8BB2.04092704112007@news.ftupet.com...
>> D cells have always had more more ma-hrs than AA's, at least until
>> Energizer came along.
>
> As I recall, Radio Shack also made some batteries that were built from
> regular smaller ones soldered inside a larger case package.

Rayovac also makes (or made?) D cell batteries with a similar capacity.
In fact, theirs are 2200 mAh instead of the 2500 mAh that you'd get from
Energizer batteries:

http://www.amazon.com/Rayovac-NM713-2-Rechargeable-Batteries-Two-pack/dp/B00099YM8I/ref=sr_1_2/102-9988651-0554516?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1194196496&sr=1-2

And wikipedia says they won a contract to supply batteries to Radio Shack:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rayovac

So maybe that's what's going on with that.

- Logan

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 6:36 am
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 7:30 am
From: Chris Hill

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:25:23 -0500, Jeff <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote:

> I'll need to recover some files off a hard disk that has lost or
>corrupted it's directory. (win 2000, NTFS I think. Chkdsk won't run.)
>
> Any recommendations for a frugal but good data recovery program? The
>mass of commercial programs out there is a bit much for me to sort through.

Recover my files. You can try it and only pay if it will get your
data back.

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TOPIC: An Offense To Sensibility: The Mail-In Rebate
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:15 am
From: "Winston Smith, American Patriot"

I think I finally saw the height of absurdity the other day when I saw an
advertisement for some entirely forgettable product that was priced $3.99,
and that was after a $1.00 mail-in rebate for the price you would actually
pay of $4.99, a sales tax of 7.75% not included.

The minute I hear some Customer Service Representative tell me in a
telephone sales pitch about a "mail-in" rebate, my first words in
interruption are: "Stop right there! Don't give me the nonsense of the
mail-in rebate...I don't even consider it as part of the incentive to
buy---if anything, it's an instant disincentive!---and especially when the
price of a USPS postage stamp and the time and effort in licking the
envelope and putting it in the mailbox represents a substantial fraction of
the rebated amount, if it does not entirely exceed it at all?"

I think most of the CSRs who hear this are taken off his or her balance.
But maybe not.

Is there anyone out there who is an apologist for the Mail-In Rebate?
Really and truly??

Is it an automatic turn-off? And if so, does anyone go the trouble to
contact the manufacturer or vendor to tell him that if he really wants to
sell the product at the reduced price, to stop the invasion of privacy by
trying to get customer demographic information or to at least pay for it by
offering a rebate that is at the very least 75% or more of the product
price??

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 8:56 am
From: Anthony Matonak

Winston Smith, American Patriot wrote:
....
> Is it an automatic turn-off? And if so, does anyone go the trouble to
> contact the manufacturer or vendor to tell him that if he really wants to
> sell the product at the reduced price, to stop the invasion of privacy by
> trying to get customer demographic information or to at least pay for it by
> offering a rebate that is at the very least 75% or more of the product
> price??

I vote with my wallet. Easier than tracking down CEOs.

Anthony

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Date: Sun, Nov 4 2007 10:44 am
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JERUSALEM - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Sunday the U.S.
will review its aid to Pakistan after the country's military ruler
suspended the constitution. Her announcement puts in question some of
the billions in U.S. assistance to a close terrorism-fighting ally.
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On a Mideast trip now overshadowed by the unfolding crisis in nuclear-
armed Pakistan, Rice suggested that the Bush administration would not
suspend aid wholesale.

The U.S. has provided about $11 billion to Pakistan since 2001, when
Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, made a strategic shift to
ally with the United States after the Sept. 11 attacks.

"Some of the aid that goes to Pakistan is directly related to the
counterterrorism mission," Rice told reporters traveling with her. "We
just have to review the situation. But I would be very surprised if
anyone wants the president to ignore or set aside our concerns about
terrorism," Rice said.

The top U.S. diplomat said she had not spoken directly with Musharraf
since he announced what she called "extraconstitutional" moves on
Saturday. In addition to suspending the constitution, he ousted the
country's top judge and deployed troops to fight what he called rising
Islamic extremism.

"I'm disappointed in his decision, sure," Rice said. "I think his
decision sets Pakistan back in the considerable progress it made
toward democratic change."

After hearing word of the U.S. review, Sen. Joe Biden, chairman of the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said, "I would be on the phone
with Musharraf making it clear to him that there's a price to pay if
he does not rectify what he's just done."

After Musharraf imposed a state of emergency, the Pentagon said the
declaration did not affect U.S. military support of Pakistan.

The review cited by Rice would look in part at whether some current
aid cannot continue because of U.S. legal restrictions that set
conditions for governments to receive money. That probably would cover
only a small amount of the total aid, which now runs to about $150
million each month.

The Center for Strategic and International Studies reported in August
that less than 10 percent of the aid bill since 2001 has paid for
economic and social projects.

Rice promoted such assistance, particularly for education, when she
told reporters that the U.S. has looked beyond Musharraf and made a
choice to support what had seemed to be an increasingly democratic
nation at a critical time.

"The United States did not put all its chips on Musharraf," Rice said.

Biden, D-Del., said an aid review was appropriate, but that the
administration has embraced policies that limit its options.

"I don't that they have any notion of what they're going to do right
now," he said. "This administration has a Musharraf policy, not a
Pakistan policy. It's tied to Musharraf and it's hands are pretty well
tied right now," said Biden, who is running for president in 2008.

"This is the most dangerous and complex relationship that we have and
we have a huge stake ... in seeing to it that the moderate majority in
Pakistan have a political outlet," he added. "Absent that political
outlet, what I worry about is they will join in league with the
extremists," citing what happened with Iran in 1979 when the shah was
overthrown and an Islamic theocracy set up.

Speaking of Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran, Biden said "all these dots
are connected" and the administration "doesn't have a policy. It has a
Musharraf policy but it doesn't have a policy relative to Pakistan and
how it affects everything else in the region."

Biden also said, however, that he believes Musharraf's military is in
firm control of the country's nuclear arsenal and does not think that
is a cause for concern now.

The center's report put U.S. aid for Pakistani schools at about $64
million.

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