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Tuesday, March 31, 2009

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* April Fools Day and Californians pay more in taxes! - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: April Fools Day and Californians pay more in taxes!
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 30 2009 8:50 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <fjfAl.13805$pr6.10103@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com>,
Bay Area Holdout <Linear54@hotmail.com> wrote:
>In the SF Bay Area so not real close but we put off some optional bigger
>purchases and make them in Oregon when we go visit friends about twice a
>year.
>When we leave(and we are planning to go soon given how bad this state has
>become) we want to go to Southwest Washington just across from Portland. No
>Income Tax in Washington and no Sales Tax in Oregon. Can't get around cars
>which have to be registered but alot of other stuff can go without Sales Tax
>if you hail it yourself across the Columbia River!

>Some things will cost a bit more but we figure to put at least 10% a year in
>our pocket over it going to various taxes.
[ ... ]

You do realize you're expected to pay use taxes on everything your buy in
Oregon and bring into Washington State, once you move there?

You can expect more aggressive enforcement of that in the future.

Gary

--
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"Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man"
General of the Army (four stars) Ann Dunwoody

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Mar 30 2009 11:30 pm
From: "Bay Area Holdout"

"Gary Heston" <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote in message
news:TfWdnTxne_iKDkzUnZ2dnUVZ_jRi4p2d@posted.hiwaay2...
> In article <fjfAl.13805$pr6.10103@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com>,
> Bay Area Holdout <Linear54@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>In the SF Bay Area so not real close but we put off some optional bigger
>>purchases and make them in Oregon when we go visit friends about twice a
>>year.
>>When we leave(and we are planning to go soon given how bad this state has
>>become) we want to go to Southwest Washington just across from Portland.
>>No
>>Income Tax in Washington and no Sales Tax in Oregon. Can't get around cars
>>which have to be registered but alot of other stuff can go without Sales
>>Tax
>>if you hail it yourself across the Columbia River!
>
>>Some things will cost a bit more but we figure to put at least 10% a year
>>in
>>our pocket over it going to various taxes.
> [ ... ]
>
> You do realize you're expected to pay use taxes on everything your buy in
> Oregon and bring into Washington State, once you move there?
>
> You can expect more aggressive enforcement of that in the future.
>
>
> Gary
Hard pressed to see the positive politics of inspection stations on I-5 and
I-205 screening every car and truck for imported goods. I understand that IF
you have the Oregon store deliver the goods to your home in Washington then
yes you will be charged the Washington tax.

Besides how does this sound fair when people from Oregon can show there
drivers license in Southern Western Washington counties and have their Sales
Tax forgiven? Which I understand is the case.

Yes I suppose they could screen for credit card receipts and even cancelled
checks. Hard to see how that will work with cash sales.
Overall this sounds pretty hard to enforce..............

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Sunday, March 22, 2009

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 12 topics - digest

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 10:41 pm
From: Mitchell Holman

Patriot Games <Patriot@America.Com> wrote in
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TOPIC: Zencore recalled due to lethal interaction with organic nitrates
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 12:16 am
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In <f31954c8-2f20-4fc3-937f-e0d49bb5806e@q11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
skulluton@live.com wrote:

>http://consumerist.com/5176870

Not that I nowadays bother to check into any of the frequent postings
saying nothing but a link to something consumerist.com and appearing
to me left-wing type, especially chemophobic:

Organic nitrates have awfully low incidence upon consumers, especially
outside the medicinal application of short term vasodilator drugs.

Other than that, organic nitrates are mainly used as explosives. At
least since "Cellluloid" went out of style (early 1970's at latest) due to
being "excessively flammable" as a "not-fully-nitrated version of
nitrocellulose" (my words).

Although nitrocellulose is much more often used as a "propellant" than
a "high explosive" though has capability as a "high explosive", most
nitroglycerin actually used appears to me to be used as an active
ingredient of dynamite, secondarily as either a minor but significant
ingredient in some firearm propellants or as an emergency vasodilator
drug.

Biggest consumer exposure to organic nitrates over the past 25 years or
so have been "nitroglycerin", "amyl nitrate", and "isobutyl nitrate".
Please keep in mind what those are, what their main uses are, etc. ...

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 8:06 am
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 22, 2:16 am, d...@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
> In <f31954c8-2f20-4fc3-937f-e0d49bb58...@q11g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
>
> skullu...@live.com wrote:
> >http://consumerist.com/5176870
>
> Not that I nowadays bother to check into any of the frequent postings
> saying nothing but a link to something consumerist.com and appearing
> to me left-wing type, especially chemophobic:
>
> Organic nitrates have awfully low incidence upon consumers, especially
> outside the medicinal application of short term vasodilator drugs.
>
> Other than that, organic nitrates are mainly used as explosives. At
> least since "Cellluloid" went out of style (early 1970's at latest) due to
> being "excessively flammable" as a "not-fully-nitrated version of
> nitrocellulose" (my words).
>
> Although nitrocellulose is much more often used as a "propellant" than
> a "high explosive" though has capability as a "high explosive", most
> nitroglycerin actually used appears to me to be used as an active
> ingredient of dynamite, secondarily as either a minor but significant
> ingredient in some firearm propellants or as an emergency vasodilator
> drug.
>
> Biggest consumer exposure to organic nitrates over the past 25 years or
> so have been "nitroglycerin", "amyl nitrate", and "isobutyl nitrate".
> Please keep in mind what those are, what their main uses are, etc. ...
>
> - Don Klipstein (d...@misty.com)

Tons of people take organic nitrates for heart problems several times
per day every day. It is not "low incidence" by any means and those
people are the subject of the article.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 6:15 am
From: Devo

Why Urban Farming Isn't Just for Foodies

by Clive Thompson (Posted by Laurie Mitchell) Page 1 of 1 page(s)

www.opednews.com

This year, Carol Nissen's crops include mesclun, cherry tomatoes,
strawberries, and assorted herbs. When she sits down to dine, she's
often eating food grown with her own two hands.
But Nissen isn't tilling the soil on a farm. She's a Web designer who
lives in Jersey City, New Jersey--one of the most cramped, concrete-
laden landscapes in the nation. Nissen's vegetables thrive in pots and
boxes crammed into her house and in wee plots in her yard. "I'm a
micro-gardener," she says. "It's a pretty small townhouse. But it's
amazing what you can do without much space."

The term for this is urban farming--the art of growing vegetables in
cities that otherwise resemble the Baltimore of The Wire.It has become
increasingly trendy in recent years, led by health-conscious foodies
coveting just-picked produce, as well as hipsters who dig the roll-
your-own vibe.

But I think it's time to kick it up a notch. Our world faces many food-
resource problems, and a massive increase in edible gardening could
help solve them. The next president should throw down the gauntlet and
demand Americans sow victory gardens once again.

Remember the victory garden? During World Wars I and II, the
government urged city dwellers and suburbanites to plant food in their
yards. It worked: The effort grew roughly 40 percent of the fresh
veggies consumed in the US in 1942 and 1943.

These days, we're fighting different battles. Developing nations are
facing wrenching shortages of staples like rice. Here at home, we're
struggling with a wave of obesity, fueled by too much crappy fast food
and too little fresh produce, particularly in poorer areas. Our
globalized food stream poses environmental hazards, too: The
blueberries I had for lunch came from halfway around the world, in the
process burning tons of CO2.

Urban farming tackles all three issues. It could relieve strain on the
worldwide food supply, potentially driving down prices. The influx of
fresh vegetables would help combat obesity. And when you "shop" for
dinner ingredients in and around your home, the carbon footprint
nearly disappears. Screw the 100-mile diet--consuming only what's
grown within your immediate foodshed--this is the 100-yard diet.

Want to cool cities cheaply? Plant crops on rooftops. This isn't just
liberal hippie fantasy, either. Defense hawks ought to love urban
farming, because it would enormously increase our food independence--
and achieve it without the market distortions of the benighted farm
bill. You don't need tomatoes from Mexico if you can pluck them from
containers on your office roof.

Better yet, urban farming is an excuse to geek out with some awesome
tech. Innovations from NASA and garage tinkerers have made food-
growing radically more efficient and compact than the victory gardens
of yore. "Aeroponics" planters grow vegetables using mist, slashing
water requirements; hackers are building home-suitable "aquaponics"
rigs that use fish to create a cradle-to-grave ecosystem, generating
its own fertilizer (and delicious tilapia, too). Experts have found
that cultivating a mere half-acre of urban land with such techniques
can yield more than $50,000 worth of crops annually.

But what I love most here is the potential for cultural
transformation. Growing our own food again would reconnect us to this
country's languishing frontier spirit.

Once you realize how easy it is to make the concrete jungle bloom, it
changes the way you see the world. Urban environments suddenly appear
weirdly dead and wasteful. When I walk around New York City now, I see
the usual empty lots and balconies and I think, Wait a minute. Why
aren't we growing food here? And here? And here?

In fact, that's precisely what occurred to me when I came home and
looked at the window of my apartment. So now it holds three pots
balanced on the ledge: One with herbs, one with lettuce, one with
tomatoes.

I should have my first crop in about a month. And I expect my victory
salad to taste very sweet indeed.
--
It's amazing what you can do. If...
you put your mind to it.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 7:37 am
From: "catalpa"

"Devo" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgewkspam-E1D653.05152922032009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>
> Why Urban Farming Isn't Just for Foodies
>
> by Clive Thompson (Posted by Laurie Mitchell) Page 1 of 1 page(s)
>
> www.opednews.com
>
> Better yet, urban farming is an excuse to geek out with some awesome
> tech. Innovations from NASA and garage tinkerers have made food-
> growing radically more efficient and compact than the victory gardens
> of yore. "Aeroponics" planters grow vegetables using mist, slashing
> water requirements; hackers are building home-suitable "aquaponics"
> rigs that use fish to create a cradle-to-grave ecosystem, generating
> its own fertilizer (and delicious tilapia, too). Experts have found
> that cultivating a mere half-acre of urban land with such techniques
> can yield more than $50,000 worth of crops annually.
>

"more than $50,000 worth of crops annually" by "cultivating a mere half-acre
of urban land" ???

Only if you are growing sensimilla.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 9:34 am
From: Derald

"catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote:

>Only if you are growing sensimilla
Well, he didn't say "experts" in what....

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 10:44 am
From: Devo

In article <b3sxl.1733$SU3.1333@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
"catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote:

> "Devo" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
> news:georgewkspam-E1D653.05152922032009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> >
> > Why Urban Farming Isn't Just for Foodies
> >
> > by Clive Thompson (Posted by Laurie Mitchell) Page 1 of 1 page(s)
> >
> > www.opednews.com
> >
> > Better yet, urban farming is an excuse to geek out with some awesome
> > tech. Innovations from NASA and garage tinkerers have made food-
> > growing radically more efficient and compact than the victory gardens
> > of yore. "Aeroponics" planters grow vegetables using mist, slashing
> > water requirements; hackers are building home-suitable "aquaponics"
> > rigs that use fish to create a cradle-to-grave ecosystem, generating
> > its own fertilizer (and delicious tilapia, too). Experts have found
> > that cultivating a mere half-acre of urban land with such techniques
> > can yield more than $50,000 worth of crops annually.
> >
>
> "more than $50,000 worth of crops annually" by "cultivating a mere half-acre
> of urban land" ???
>
> Only if you are growing sensimilla.

maybe they're talking about savings on lawn mowing, fitness gym
membership and the health benefits of exercise???? or the health benefits
(long term) of not getting sick on pesticides and such.
the biggest problem with growing semsimilla in the city, is the neighbors
ripping you off. Of course with a Med. Marijuana prescription at least
you can call the cops to report a robbery. Course if the cops find the
weed , they'll smoke it themselves. or sell it.
--
It's amazing what you can do. If...
you put your mind to it.

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TOPIC: HP has stop marking ink volume on the cartridge box
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 7:58 am
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 21, 10:35 pm, "Dave" <now...@noway2.not> wrote:
> >The HP site provides page yields for the various carts used in
> >different configurations. I was impressed with the 74XL's 710 -750
> >standard pages. I'm a refiller myself and have never purchased a new
> >ink cartridge. The page count is the most important number today
> >rather than ink volume because printers can vary in efficiency. A big
> >supply of ink goes quickly in a printer that dumps all the ink on
> >needless cleaning cycles whereas a printer that does not clog as much
> >and doesn't clean as much can make the ink go further.
>
> Careful. You can't believe the advertised page counts. The numbers are
> severely fudged. Think about it for a second...what is a "page"??? Is it
> double-spaced text with only a few paragraphs, or is it a dozen wallet-sized
> photographs? Obviously, the photographs are going to use a shitload more
> ink for each page that you print. That's why you need to consider fill
> rate, also. Without knowing the fill rate, the page count means NOTHING.
> Fill rate is (to over-simplify it a bit) how much of the page is covered
> with ink. But even if you know that, you have to take the manufacturer's
> word on it. And the manufacturer has no incentive at all (ahem) to fudge
> the numbers.
>
> I see this HP (not marking ink volume on cartridge) issue a bit differently.
> Several years ago, I spotted a trend where all major printer manufacturers
> started shipping some models of printers with beginner ink cartridges. The
> beginner ink cartridges looked identical to the ones you buy as name-brand
> replacements. The difference is, the cartridges that ship with the printer
> contain only 30-50% as much ink as the replacement cartridges that you
> purchase when the ink runs out. This applies to toner as well, and affects
> both inkjets and lasers. At the time, I thought it was a pretty scummy
> thing to do. I mean, the manufacturer saves about 3 or 4 cents (maybe,
> probably not even that much) in NOT filling the cartridge all the way, but
> the manufacturer makes a buttload of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on the replacement cartr
> idge when the initial ink runs out much faster.
>
> Now, keeping in mind that printer manufacturers (not just HP, BTW) are
> already inclined to rip off consumers by not filling ink cartridges all the
> way...
> We, as consumers, should be really PISSED that now they (HP, anyway) aren't
> even promising a certain fill level by marking the volume of ink on the
> cartridge.
>
> This is worse than the ever-shrinking packages of grocery items, like the
> "half gallon" of ice cream that is 1.5 quarts now, and shrinking...
> Because now HP can put a few drops of ink into a cartridge that is still the
> same physical size, and the consumer has no way of knowing that he's been
> ripped off.
>
> I mean, at least you can see the ice cream containers shrinking... -Dave

I'm not carrying water for HP, but they do provide a site with lots of
specific information. My example was relative between two different
carts. I have no doubt that a 74XL produces more copies than a 45 with
twice the volume of ink. HP does provide the ink volume. I got the
above information directly from HP. Anybody with a computer and a
brain can access this information too. I always refill carts that I
receive used. I get about 200 7"X*8 full color prints from one #78
refill, which is pretty amazing. I've been using up a supply of dye
ink that I bought at Dollar Tree for $1/oz. (Don't bother to check.
They stopped selling it.)
I totally agree that the OEM ink is vastly overpriced and they are
embarrassed to print those tiny volume numbers on the package. I'm
just trying to stay one step ahead by refilling. Right now I like ink
rather than toner, but that could change. I might even try a solid ink
system, but those alternatives have problems too.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 8:32 am
From: Evelyn Leeper

Dave wrote:
>> The HP site provides page yields for the various carts used in
>> different configurations. I was impressed with the 74XL's 710 -750
>> standard pages. I'm a refiller myself and have never purchased a new
>> ink cartridge. The page count is the most important number today
>> rather than ink volume because printers can vary in efficiency. A big
>> supply of ink goes quickly in a printer that dumps all the ink on
>> needless cleaning cycles whereas a printer that does not clog as much
>> and doesn't clean as much can make the ink go further.
>
> Careful. You can't believe the advertised page counts. The numbers are
> severely fudged. Think about it for a second...what is a "page"??? Is it
> double-spaced text with only a few paragraphs, or is it a dozen wallet-sized
> photographs? Obviously, the photographs are going to use a shitload more
> ink for each page that you print. That's why you need to consider fill
> rate, also. Without knowing the fill rate, the page count means NOTHING.
> Fill rate is (to over-simplify it a bit) how much of the page is covered
> with ink. But even if you know that, you have to take the manufacturer's
> word on it. And the manufacturer has no incentive at all (ahem) to fudge
> the numbers.

I noticed that the new printer that we got "free" with our Mac took ink
cartridges that was a little cheaper than the ones for our old printer,
but also produced a *lot* fewer pages.

We decided to keep using our old printer.

--
Evelyn C. Leeper
One can pay back the loan of gold, but one
dies forever in debt to those who are kind.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 1:34 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 22, 11:32 am, Evelyn Leeper <elee...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Dave wrote:
> >> The HP site provides page yields for the various carts used in
> >> different configurations. I was impressed with the 74XL's 710 -750
> >> standard pages. I'm a refiller myself and have never purchased a new
> >> ink cartridge. The page count is the most important number today
> >> rather than ink volume because printers can vary in efficiency. A big
> >> supply of ink goes quickly in a printer that dumps all the ink on
> >> needless cleaning cycles whereas a printer that does not clog as much
> >> and doesn't clean as much can make the ink go further.
>
> > Careful. You can't believe the advertised page counts. The numbers are
> > severely fudged. Think about it for a second...what is a "page"??? Is it
> > double-spaced text with only a few paragraphs, or is it a dozen wallet-sized
> > photographs? Obviously, the photographs are going to use a shitload more
> > ink for each page that you print. That's why you need to consider fill
> > rate, also. Without knowing the fill rate, the page count means NOTHING.
> > Fill rate is (to over-simplify it a bit) how much of the page is covered
> > with ink. But even if you know that, you have to take the manufacturer's
> > word on it. And the manufacturer has no incentive at all (ahem) to fudge
> > the numbers.
>
> I noticed that the new printer that we got "free" with our Mac took ink
> cartridges that was a little cheaper than the ones for our old printer,
> but also produced a *lot* fewer pages.
>
> We decided to keep using our old printer.
>
> --
> Evelyn C. Leeper
> One can pay back the loan of gold, but one
> dies forever in debt to those who are kind.

That's what they call a throw away printer. My guess is that it was a
Dell. They seem notorious for tiny half-filled starter cartridges that
sometimes don't work at all.
It's easy to forget that with these HP and Dell printers, you are
buying a whole new ink delivery system including the print head with
each purchase. That adds to the cost. Then, you are throwing away a
good print head. We have alternatives. We can refill, which is messy
and takes a learning curve for each printer. You still need donor
carts to work with. Buying non OEM or refurbished carts from a
reliable source is still much cheaper. You can also think about a
commercial printer with larger capacity and which you would plan on
keeping a very long time.
Don't be bamboozled into buying those expensive carts all the time.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 1:46 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT), in misc.consumers.frugal-living albundy2@mailinator.com wrote:

>
>That's what they call a throw away printer. My guess is that it was a
>Dell. They seem notorious for tiny half-filled starter cartridges that
>sometimes don't work at all.
>It's easy to forget that with these HP and Dell printers, you are
>buying a whole new ink delivery system including the print head with
>each purchase. That adds to the cost. Then, you are throwing away a
>good print head. We have alternatives. We can refill, which is messy
>and takes a learning curve for each printer. You still need donor
>carts to work with. Buying non OEM or refurbished carts from a
>reliable source is still much cheaper. You can also think about a
>commercial printer with larger capacity and which you would plan on
>keeping a very long time.

Kodak printers have a separate print head that does not get thrown away with each change of ink. That said I
have had my printer for about 1.5 years and the print head now needs to be replaced for the second time. The
most recent print head did not last as long as the ink cartridges! When the print head breaks is also tells
you that the printer is out of ink. The ink cartridges are cheap because they do not contain a print head but
the printer keeps saying they are empty when they are not so you have to buy more ink cartridges. Also when
the printer thinks it is out of ink the scanner will not work. I'm not going to replace the print head again
since my ink cartridge outlasted the print head.

These printers were a good idea but they are defective and defeat the purpose of having a build in print head.
I think I'm done with owning a printer. I'm just going to use library printers from now on.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 2:50 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 22, 4:46 pm, lisa...@privacy.net wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:34:41 -0700 (PDT), in misc.consumers.frugal-living albun...@mailinator.com wrote:
>
> >That's what they call a throw away printer. My guess is that it was a
> >Dell. They seem notorious for tiny half-filled starter cartridges that
> >sometimes don't work at all.
> >It's easy to forget that with these HP and Dell printers, you are
> >buying a whole new ink delivery system including the print head with
> >each purchase. That adds to the cost. Then, you are throwing away a
> >good print head. We have alternatives. We can refill, which is messy
> >and takes a learning curve for each printer. You still need donor
> >carts to work with. Buying non OEM or refurbished carts from a
> >reliable source is still much cheaper. You can also think about a
> >commercial printer with larger capacity and which you would plan on
> >keeping a very long time.
>
> Kodak printers have a separate print head that does not get thrown away with each change of ink. That said I
> have had my printer for about 1.5 years and the print head now needs to be replaced for the second time. The
> most recent print head did not last as long as the ink cartridges! When the print head breaks is also tells
> you that the printer is out of ink. The ink cartridges are cheap because they do not contain a print head but
> the printer keeps saying they are empty when they are not so you have to buy more ink cartridges. Also when
> the printer thinks it is out of ink the scanner will not work. I'm not going to replace the print head again
> since my ink cartridge outlasted the print head.
>
> These printers were a good idea but they are defective and defeat the purpose of having a build in print head.
> I think I'm done with owning a printer. I'm just going to use library printers from now on.

The Canon printers have built in heads and separate ink tanks too. You
can just drill a hole in the tank and pour ink in (older unchipped
models). I have one old Canon that I've used for years. Kodak is a
newcomer to the market and I guess they have quality problems. If you
can even consider using the library for printing, you don't print
much. I bet your printhead got clogged up from non use. My experience
is they can be revived from clogging. Perhaps you would be better off
with a cheap b/w laser printer because they are not subject to
clogging from sitting unused for long periods.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 8:05 am
From: Samatha Hill -- take out TRASH to reply

lisajoe@privacy.net wrote:
>
> You forgot potatoes and parsnips.

Oh, I love parsnips. They are yummy! Potatoes are good, too!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 8:18 am
From: Napoleon

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:16:34 -0800, Devo <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com>
wrote:

>Sell the lawnmower. they really do pollute an awfully lot. Noisy too.
>Don't go to seed !

I'm replacing all my grass with ground cover. I hate mowing, it's a
waste of time and money.

There are so many ground covers out there, there's really no need for
grass. If you want a grassy-looking area you can always use moss.

-N
http://iguessineedajob.wordpress.com/

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 9:25 am
From: James

I tried a few while monitoring my blood pressure. Didn't find one
that lowered my BP while I watched and listened.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 12:18 pm
From: Shawn Hirn

In article
<aef8a5d0-70a7-403b-af55-d5a6176ccbd1@a39g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
James <j0069bond@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I tried a few while monitoring my blood pressure. Didn't find one
> that lowered my BP while I watched and listened.

A low salt diet and exercise are your best options to lower your BP, not
something on your computer.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 10:52 am
From: Morten

Hi,

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 1:22 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 22, 1:52 pm, Morten <morten.law...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> For those who are in need of financial support, I found a good site
> containing comprehensive links to help you out of your financial
> problems.
>
Must not. Just a bunch of sponsored links that anyone could find.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 12:39 pm
From: New Leaf

On Mar 21, 12:08 pm, mcfl <remai...@reece.net.au> wrote:
> SmartMoney.com:http://atu.ca/WastingMoney

I buy organic produce from a small produce market near us, but only
because it's cheaper than regular produce at the grocery store. Frex,
a bag of assorted bell peppers for $2 or 3 big English cukes for $2.
They also have red cabbages at 50 cents for half.

From what I see with my sons, the biggest money waster is ATM fees,
namely taking out $20 at a time from places that charge a fee on top
of the one your bank is charging. That is up to $4 for one $20
withdrawal. If I take it out at my bank's ATMs, the withdrawal has no
charge at all.

Also, buying premium gas in the belief that it will make your engine
run better, even if your owners' manual says to use regular.

Viv

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 3:45 pm
From: Dave Garland

New Leaf wrote:
> Also, buying premium gas in the belief that it will make your engine
> run better, even if your owners' manual says to use regular.

Speaking of gasoline, many (densely populated) places in the US and
Canada are covered by websites that track local gas prices at various
stations, so you can fill up where the best price is.
http://www.gasbuddy.com will show prices superimposed on a map, or
link you to a page for your local area.

Dave

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 3:46 pm
From: Dave Garland

Actually, they've got prices for some fairly small towns, too.
Organized by county.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Mar 22 2009 1:46 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 21, 9:11 am, meow2...@care2.com wrote:
> albun...@mailinator.com wrote:
> > On Mar 20, 6:51 pm, meow2...@care2.com wrote:
> > > albun...@mailinator.com wrote:
> > > > On Mar 19, 1:16 am, matthewb <matthew.bu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Where is electricity being wasted in your home now? How much
> > > > > electricity and money can be saved?
> > > > > I have created a calculator to help find out these answers. The
> > > > > results show where savings can be made by category. See which
> > > > > categories show big savings. What do you think? Should there be more
> > > > > questions? I have trialled it live with over 20 people and the results
> > > > > show most households can save between $50 and $2000 per year on
> > > > > electricity.
>
> > > > The site is completely bogus. There are no wattage entries whatever.
> > > > Many items are excluded. And worst of all the arithmetic does not
> > > > square with reality. I put different numbers in and saved three times
> > > > what I spend for electricity. At one point I saved $8 million dollars.
> > > > I wish it were true Alice.
> > > > You better get to work if you expect to get through middle school with
> > > > this project.
>
> > > I'm afraid it does seem a tad odd. The savings questions had little to
> > > do with the changes I contemplated, they fail to take into account the
> > > increased central heating requirement when less electricity is used,
> > > and the cfl wattage comparisons are still not in reality.
>
> > > Also there are serious costs to some savings, costs that make them not
> > > worth while. Cutting back on stair lighting is a good example.
>
> > > Also the entry fields arent explained sufficiently, with the result
> > > that first time I put a bunch of wrong info in.
>
> > > Work is needed if this is going to fly. And since I dont recall you
> > > ever doing a bit of basic reading to sorting the CFL power equivalence
> > > out, the results willl never be realistic.
>
> > > NT
>
> > The site reminded me of the early days of writing simple computer
> > programs. The Apple computers would not round the numbers properly. I
> > needed a simple routine to straighten it out. This site here doesn't
> > even handle basic math correctly. There are so many bugs in it on top
> > of the conceptual flaws in arriving at the calculations. I was not
> > joking when I suspected a middle school project in process. The writer
> > does not show any life experience related to energy use.
> > There's nothing wrong with repeating a grade if you tried your best.
>
> On the other hand everything goes through alpha/beta stage. It could
> be a good tool if a lot more work is done, but it does need a lot.
>
> The lighting section is particularly messy. How could it possibly
> calculate potential savings with no knowledge of the power consumption
> of the bulbs, no knowledge of what bulb technology they are, ignoring
> entirely the huge effect on energy efficiency of downlighting, etc
> etc, it just doesnt work. And of course the heating aspect of filament
> lamps has been missed.
>
> The various other suggestions re evenrgy saving are just a limited
> selection and would need a lot of expansion, plus really the results
> need to be displayed on the data entry table line by line for each
> option, so one can see whats worthwhile and what isnt. The
> explanations for each entry need to be much clearer.
>
> But unless the writer learns about CFLs and lumens I dont see the
> right answers showing up.
>
> NT

The bottom line is that he is a student that really hopes to sell you
his eBook and other things. The problem is that he needs more
training before he can even think of something of value to others,
really just a time waster now.

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* HP has stop marking ink volume on the cartridge box - 1 messages, 1 author
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* a Victory Garden at the Whitehouse. - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* What's causing the economic meltdown - 4 messages, 3 authors
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* Warning about United Parcel Service UPS - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Your patriotic duty is to not invest in the stock market. - 1 messages, 1
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 8:35 pm
From: "Dave"

>The HP site provides page yields for the various carts used in
>different configurations. I was impressed with the 74XL's 710 -750
>standard pages. I'm a refiller myself and have never purchased a new
>ink cartridge. The page count is the most important number today
>rather than ink volume because printers can vary in efficiency. A big
>supply of ink goes quickly in a printer that dumps all the ink on
>needless cleaning cycles whereas a printer that does not clog as much
>and doesn't clean as much can make the ink go further.

Careful. You can't believe the advertised page counts. The numbers are
severely fudged. Think about it for a second...what is a "page"??? Is it
double-spaced text with only a few paragraphs, or is it a dozen wallet-sized
photographs? Obviously, the photographs are going to use a shitload more
ink for each page that you print. That's why you need to consider fill
rate, also. Without knowing the fill rate, the page count means NOTHING.
Fill rate is (to over-simplify it a bit) how much of the page is covered
with ink. But even if you know that, you have to take the manufacturer's
word on it. And the manufacturer has no incentive at all (ahem) to fudge
the numbers.

I see this HP (not marking ink volume on cartridge) issue a bit differently.
Several years ago, I spotted a trend where all major printer manufacturers
started shipping some models of printers with beginner ink cartridges. The
beginner ink cartridges looked identical to the ones you buy as name-brand
replacements. The difference is, the cartridges that ship with the printer
contain only 30-50% as much ink as the replacement cartridges that you
purchase when the ink runs out. This applies to toner as well, and affects
both inkjets and lasers. At the time, I thought it was a pretty scummy
thing to do. I mean, the manufacturer saves about 3 or 4 cents (maybe,
probably not even that much) in NOT filling the cartridge all the way, but
the manufacturer makes a buttload of $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ on the replacement cartr
idge when the initial ink runs out much faster.

Now, keeping in mind that printer manufacturers (not just HP, BTW) are
already inclined to rip off consumers by not filling ink cartridges all the
way...
We, as consumers, should be really PISSED that now they (HP, anyway) aren't
even promising a certain fill level by marking the volume of ink on the
cartridge.

This is worse than the ever-shrinking packages of grocery items, like the
"half gallon" of ice cream that is 1.5 quarts now, and shrinking...
Because now HP can put a few drops of ink into a cartridge that is still the
same physical size, and the consumer has no way of knowing that he's been
ripped off.

I mean, at least you can see the ice cream containers shrinking... -Dave

== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 7:58 pm
From: gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston)

In article <georgewkspam-AA880D.15163421032009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
Devo <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:
>Yes, Instead of mowing the WhiteHouse lawn they are growing food.
>Finally intelligent people in the W.H.
>Michelle says it's a wonderful way to educate children about where food
>(real food) comes from and another way to deal with epidemic of obesity.
>That's a Victory Garden.
>Yes, We Can. .. .. grow your own food.
>Let's duplicate that in everyone's yard.
[ ... ]

That would be the Republicans yards, as all the liberals have been
foreclosed upon, and apartments generally don't have yards.

Gary

--
Gary Heston gheston@hiwaay.net http://www.thebreastcancersite.com/

"Behind every successful woman there is an astonished man"
General of the Army (four stars) Ann Dunwoody

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 9:29 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:16:34 -0800, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Devo <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

>Yes, Instead of mowing the WhiteHouse lawn they are growing food.
>Finally intelligent people in the W.H.
>Michelle says it's a wonderful way to educate children about where food
>(real food) comes from and another way to deal with epidemic of obesity.
>That's a Victory Garden.
>Yes, We Can. .. .. grow your own food.
>Let's duplicate that in everyone's yard.
>Sell the lawnmower. they really do pollute an awfully lot. Noisy too.
>Don't go to seed !

I'm planting a hyperinflation garden since the Treasury has gone crazy with the printing press the The Fed (an
orginazation of private bankers) is buying it up as fast as the treasury can print it.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 9:30 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:52:07 GMT, in misc.consumers.frugal-living "catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote:

>
>"Devo" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
>news:georgewkspam-AA880D.15163421032009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>> Yes, Instead of mowing the WhiteHouse lawn they are growing food.
>> Finally intelligent people in the W.H.
>> Michelle says it's a wonderful way to educate children about where food
>> (real food) comes from and another way to deal with epidemic of obesity.
>> That's a Victory Garden.
>> Yes, We Can. .. .. grow your own food.
>> Let's duplicate that in everyone's yard.
>> Sell the lawnmower. they really do pollute an awfully lot. Noisy too.
>> Don't go to seed !
>>
>
>It is a vegetable garden.
>
>Real food comes from fields of wheat, corn and soybeans and cattle, hogs,
>and chickens.
>

You forgot potatoes and parsnips.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 9:45 pm
From: "catalpa"

<lisajoe@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:3mfbs4pkeak5ldb1kosd7sg86i7d0ocqhp@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:52:07 GMT, in misc.consumers.frugal-living
> "catalpa" <catalpa@entertab.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Devo" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
>>news:georgewkspam-AA880D.15163421032009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>>> Yes, Instead of mowing the WhiteHouse lawn they are growing food.
>>> Finally intelligent people in the W.H.
>>> Michelle says it's a wonderful way to educate children about where food
>>> (real food) comes from and another way to deal with epidemic of obesity.
>>> That's a Victory Garden.
>>> Yes, We Can. .. .. grow your own food.
>>> Let's duplicate that in everyone's yard.
>>> Sell the lawnmower. they really do pollute an awfully lot. Noisy too.
>>> Don't go to seed !
>>>
>>
>>It is a vegetable garden.
>>
>>Real food comes from fields of wheat, corn and soybeans and cattle, hogs,
>>and chickens.
>>
>
> You forgot potatoes and parsnips.

I left out many crops. Please refer to
http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0312380/crop.htm for many more.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 8:09 pm
From: Governor Swill

About Companies in Malaysia <shawmichael56@gmail.com> wrote:

>Someone see this and advice me on what to do:

Try again.

Swill
--
"It's going to take more than three weeks to unfuck eight years of
George Bush's bungling." -- Christopher Helms

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 8:11 pm
From: Governor Swill

lorad wrote:

Oh, look, mommy! It's a conspirakook and he's stuck on stupid just
like the other ones.

Swill

>a) Neocon manipulation to 'securitize' (actually deregulate wealth
>concentrations);
>Reagan deregulated the Savings and Loan industry.
>
>b) Bush the first followed by starting the first Iraq War (as a
>political distraction and goverment war industry cash cow) and then
>ushered in the Savings and Loan crisis where Hundreds of Billions were
>looted.
>...
>c) Neocon puppet Clinton deregulated wall street, deregulated the
>housing mortgage industry, and enabled the WTO and NAFTA treaties.
>
>d) Bush the second started the second Iraq War (as a political
>distraction and goverment war industry cash cow) and then ushered in
>the Housing Mortgage and Derivatives crisis where Thousands of
>Billions were looted.
>
>..while the sheeple looked on and bleated in muted tones.
--
"It's going to take more than three weeks to unfuck eight years of
George Bush's bungling." -- Christopher Helms

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 8:17 pm
From: awthrawthr

On Mar 19, 9:00 pm, xuy...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Here are some possible clues:http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/Recession.html

nutcase

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 9:32 pm
From: lisajoe@privacy.net

On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:11:28 -0400, in misc.consumers.frugal-living Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com>
wrote:

>lorad wrote:
>
>Oh, look, mommy! It's a conspirakook and he's stuck on stupid just
>like the other ones.
>
>Swill
>
>>a) Neocon manipulation to 'securitize' (actually deregulate wealth
>>concentrations);
>>Reagan deregulated the Savings and Loan industry.
>>
>>b) Bush the first followed by starting the first Iraq War (as a
>>political distraction and goverment war industry cash cow) and then
>>ushered in the Savings and Loan crisis where Hundreds of Billions were
>>looted.
>>...
>>c) Neocon puppet Clinton deregulated wall street, deregulated the
>>housing mortgage industry, and enabled the WTO and NAFTA treaties.
>>
>>d) Bush the second started the second Iraq War (as a political
>>distraction and goverment war industry cash cow) and then ushered in
>>the Housing Mortgage and Derivatives crisis where Thousands of
>>Billions were looted.
>>
>>..while the sheeple looked on and bleated in muted tones.

It started with Carter but Clinton really sped it up by repealing glas-stegal.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 9:26 pm
From: JJ8932

Agree totally. UPS SUCKS big time. Had them lose several packages.

NaderFan <NaderFan@MoralWorld.net> wrote in news:gq0osk$igl$1@tioat.net:

> Twice now I have had persishable products arrive via UPS that had
> obviously been left in the sun, hot to the touch.
>
> UPS drivers routinely ignore instructions to require signature and just
> drop stuff outside your residence.
>
> UPS drivers are rude,unprofessional and bad drivers, least the ones I
> have encountered.
>
> Following complaints to UPS I had harassing phone calls made to my
> residence by UPS employees.
>
> FedEx on the other hand has always been professional, never lost a
> package and is always on time.
>
> I have no profit motive or affiliation with either company, I am simply
> reporting my experiences.

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Mar 21 2009 10:41 pm
From: Mitchell Holman

Patriot Games <Patriot@America.Com> wrote in
news:thlas41igagbg670ulqstanqe02695qkvq@4ax.com:

>
> hahahahahahhahahahahaha!!!

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Friday, March 13, 2009

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* The Nation: "Lifestyles of the Rich and Generous?" - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Future for American Workers - 1 messages, 1 author
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 12 2009 10:50 pm
From: The Real Bev

Marsha wrote:

> Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>> Nobody's suggesting that we disallow incomes greater than the median. (I'm
>> not, anyway.)
>>
>> However, there's a point at which a salary is just a way of keeping score
>> against other CEOs; it's simply ridiculous. The only way they perpetuate
>> those outrageous levels of compensation is that all those fat cats are on
>> each other's boards of directors.
>>
>> $800,000 for the CEO of the New York Public Library is a colossal waste of
>> those taxpayers' money. I'd be hopping mad if I lived there. (Time to
>> find out what the head of the Ann Arbor Public Library makes.)
>
> Everyone has a bone to pick with government as far as where they're spending
> taxpayers' money. If you find a way to make them spend your money where you
> want it, let me know.

We have put the foxes in charge of the henhouse and the only sure way to get
rid of them will probably result in a lot of unpleasantness involving a SWAT
team, with prison being the most favorable outcome.

--
Ch rs,
B v
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My f ck ng k yb rd h s l st ts v w ls.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Mar 12 2009 10:54 pm
From: The Real Bev

waldo88 wrote:

> On Mar 10, 5:52 pm, "John A. Weeks III" <j...@johnweeks.com> wrote:
>> waldo88 <hp...@lycos.com> wrote:
>> > How long will Americans tolerated jobs being taken by immigrants?

How long will we tolerate the abuse of our language by whiners?

>> That is not an issue. America is a nation of immigrants. You
>> should visit the US some time and see how it works.
>
> "Nation of immigrants" an outmoded cliche. America used to consider
> DDT as a miracle compound;

It was, unless you're a bird and intend to reproduce.

> used radium on wrist watch numbers, etc, etc, etc.

You forgot playing with liquid mercury, which was plenty cool. And casting
lead. And chemistry sets that allowed you to make gunpowder. And riding a
bicycle without a helmet and body armor.

--
Cheers, Bev
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey
and car keys to teenage boys." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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Thursday, March 5, 2009

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* Betsy Hart column: " A Bit Recession Might Be Good for a Little Self-Esteem"
- 3 messages, 3 authors
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* Lost my digital TV converter coupon - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Good place to buy wool diaper covers? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* gw geld verdienen,online casinos geld verdienen,www geld im internet,geld
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TOPIC: Betsy Hart column: " A Bit Recession Might Be Good for a Little Self-
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 4 2009 5:53 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

It's about all the young people you hear about who think they should
get paid just for showing up - and students who think hard work should
automatically mean an A.

http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/betsyhart/1449291,CST-FTR-hart26.article

Also, under the link for the same column at betsysblog.com, one
commenter told of a young man who said that if he couldn't find a job
that paid $82K, he'd just stay at home with his parents. What happened
to parents who would just say no to that?

Lenona.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 4 2009 7:30 pm
From: barbie gee

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, lenona321@yahoo.com wrote:

> It's about all the young people you hear about who think they should
> get paid just for showing up - and students who think hard work should
> automatically mean an A.
>
> http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/betsyhart/1449291,CST-FTR-hart26.article
>
> Also, under the link for the same column at betsysblog.com, one
> commenter told of a young man who said that if he couldn't find a job
> that paid $82K, he'd just stay at home with his parents. What happened
> to parents who would just say no to that?

these parents get what they deserve. I'll never understand where the idea
that allowing a kid to feel the least bit of discomfort was suddenly
deemed cruel and unusual punishment, bordering on child abuse. Where did
these parents come from?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 4 2009 8:12 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

lenona321@yahoo.com wrote:

> It's about all the young people you hear about who think they should
> get paid just for showing up - and students who think hard work should
> automatically mean an A.

> http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/betsyhart/1449291,CST-FTR-hart26.article

> Also, under the link for the same column at betsysblog.com, one
> commenter told of a young man who said that if he couldn't find
> a job that paid $82K, he'd just stay at home with his parents.
> What happened to parents who would just say no to that?

They got a clue and noticed who would be picking the nursing home.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 4 2009 7:50 pm
From: Jeff

Derald wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm shocked that anybody here waited until the last minute. Didn't ALL frugal
>> people fill in the form as soon as it was available?
> Seriously? No: Since the coupons expired 90 days from date of
> issue, it seems that most frugal folks would have waited 'til end of '08
> in hopes of technological improvements and/or lower prices.

That was my thought also. And the later boxes are better than the
first batch, even in the same model.

Happy with my Zenith box, not so much with the channel master.

I see that antennas are flying off the shelves...

Jeff

I tried to
> complete the form on the gummint website but since their "system" could
> not confirm the street address that I was using to be a residence, it
> didn't work. Foot; had to buy mine with my own money instead of someone
> else's

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 4 2009 8:10 pm
From: Dan Birchall

none@none.net (OhioGuy) wrote:
> My wife told me to bid on Ebay for wool diaper covers for our baby
> that will be arriving in about a month.
>
> I checked on Ebay, and only seem to find them sold as singles, and
> they seem to be running $15 or more.
>
> Can anyone suggest a place where you can buy several, and they are
> not treated as "specialty items" - with the associated high price?
>
> I thought we would be able to find them in a multi pack for about $8
> or $9 each, but so far I haven't found any luck.

Whoa, I missed this thread. I probably still have some somewhere
around here from when our daughter was born in '99... still need
any?

--
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Mar 4 2009 11:41 pm
From: soul81912@googlemail.com

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Wednesday, March 4, 2009

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* Bring Back Kosher Hot Dogs to Costco Snack Bar--Sign the Petition! - 4
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* Oakley gripe - 1 messages, 1 author
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* As America dies…. - 5 messages, 2 authors
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* parking tickets - 3 messages, 3 authors
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* secret of success - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Clogged vacuum hose? - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Bring Back Kosher Hot Dogs to Costco Snack Bar--Sign the Petition!
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 2:09 pm
From: Robert Klute

On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 10:58:09 -0800, The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Robert Klute wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Robert Klute wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>Geoff Miller wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "The meatballs in piping microwaved yoghurt were
>>>>>> an accident in a sheep-insemination laboratory."
>>>>>> -- A.A. Gill
>>>>>
>>>>>Is there an explanation for this, or must it stand by itself?
>>>>
>>>> I take it, then, that you've never at the Casa Brindisa on Exhibition
>>>> Road?
>>>
>>>Apparently not. What city/state/country is it in? I guess I do need an
>>>explanation. I understand about sheep insemination, but the rest of it is a
>>>mystery...
>>
>> That was supposed to be a Google/Yahoo search clue.
>
>I figured I'd just get a mess of references to your sig :-(
>

not my sig. I'm just a kibbutzer.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 2:46 pm
From: The Real Bev

Dan Abel wrote:

> In article <a7frl.85388$2h5.54740@newsfe11.iad>,
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> > If it does eat us, we can still eat it too, most obviously with sharks.
>>
>> Once a shark has eaten you, I'd say you're pretty much screwed if you want to
>> eat it back.
>
> ObPedantic: Sharks generally do not eat people. However, they have
> poor vision. When they see a surfboarder in an attractive black wet
> suit, they think "seal". Seals have a thick layer of fat under their
> black skin, which keeps them warm, as mammals like to do. In addition,
> they hang out near the surface, like surfboarders, as both breath air.
> Sharks like to take a big bite on the seal, and then retreat so the seal
> can't fight back. Once the seal has weakened sufficiently from the
> bite, the shark can finish their meal at their leisure. Even though
> sharks don't see well, they have an excellent sense of taste. As soon
> as they bite a surfboarder, they discover that there is no thick fat
> layer, and the "skin" tastes like rubber.
>
> So, there are shark bites, but many people live through them because the
> shark just isn't interested in eating some scrawny human with rubber
> skin.

Come on, get real, we all saw 'Jaws'. One bite is enough!

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==============================================================
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== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 4:44 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev wrote
>>> josejarvie@ssnet.net wrote
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> Kosher beef cuts include tongue, cheeks, feet, hearts,
>>>>>> sweetbreads, and liver.
>>
>>>>> No ears or snouts? Wait, I guess cows don't have snouts. Noses,
>>>>> maybe. No noses? What's the rule?
>>
>>>> They are made of cow lips and udder stuff.
>>
>>> Grind 'em up fine and you can't tell the difference!
>>
>>> I've eaten fish maws and hog maws and am here to tell about it. My
>>> grandma made pickled heart and pigs' feet and souse and lived to be
>>> 90.
>>
>>> What are we, wusses? If it doesn't eat us we can eat it!
>>
>> If it does eat us, we can still eat it too, most obviously with
>> sharks.

> Once a shark has eaten you, I'd say you're pretty much screwed if you want to eat it back.

Thats why you eat it before it gets a chance to eat you, stupid.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 8:27 pm
From: aemeijers

Sanity wrote:
> "SMS" <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in message
> news:EIDql.13891$D32.1260@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> Click on "http://www.petitiononline.com/costcohd/petition.html"
>>
>>
>> To: Costco CEO
>>
>> Kosher hot dogs and polish sausages have been a tradition at the Price
>> Club and Costco snack bars since the corporation was formed.
>>
>> Now, in a misguided cost-saving measure, Costco has removed kosher hot
>> dogs and polish sausages from their snack bar menu and replaced them with
>> a far inferior non-kosher product.
>>
>> We urge Costo to bring back kosher hot dogs and polish sausages to the
>> snack bar. If necessary raise the price to $1.75 or $2.00 because of the
>> extra cost of a superior product.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> The Undersigned
>>
>>
>
> Costco tried to intimidate their kosher hot dog supplier into lowering what
> they charge. They figured they had them by the b-lls. The company stuck to
> their price and Costco switched to an unkosher vendor. Many, many people
> are complaining to Costco.
>
>
Don't feel bad- Sam's downgraded the quality of their snack bar dogs as
well, and dropped the polish ones entirely. I protest the only way they
can hear- I stopped buying them. (Time your visit right, and the food
the sample ladies had out more than makes up for it.)

--
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 2:35 pm
From: The Real Bev

albundy2@mailinator.com wrote:

> On Feb 26, 9:35 pm, The Real Bev <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I dropped a pair of M-frames on the ground (vinyl floor from 4 feet) and the
>> frame broke in half. No big loss since they were probably 50 cents at a yard
>> sale years ago, but (a) is this standard for $100+ sunglasses or (b) proof that
>> they were knockoffs?
>>
>> I'll give superglue a chance, but I doubt it will work. Mostly it doesn't.
>
> No one else is posting so I'll throw one more note in. If the frames
> are plastic and they are old, the plastic has oxidized and lost the
> plasticisers. When those chemicals leave, the remaining plastic is as
> brittle as a dried brown leaf. That's why they would break when
> dropped from such a low height. It could happen in as little as three
> years and is hastened by exposure to the sun and since they are
> sunglasses............

The superglue seems to have worked. The problem with a lot of sunglasses,
including these, is that they don't keep the overhead sun out of your eyes --
damn stuff sneaks in over the top. My favorites are really cheap ones from Big
Five -- large, lightweight and polarized lenses. I hope I never lose them or
scratch them so badly I can't use them.

--
Cheers, Bev
==============================================================
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 2:41 pm
From: Peaceful Bill

Mike wrote:
>
> "The Real Bev" <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Vbfrl.85390$2h5.41208@newsfe11.iad...
>> Peaceful Bill wrote:
>>
>>> The destruction of America, more Mexicans breeding coming in, more
>>> Somolians coming in...
>>
>> What is a Somolian?
>>
>> --
>> Cheers, Bev
>> ==============================================================
>> "Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
>> Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded."
>
>
> I think it is a brand of Beer.

Peaceful Bill did not write that. Roger Hamilton wrote it posing as me.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 2:41 pm
From: Peaceful Bill

Nancy2 wrote:
> On Mar 3, 1:29 pm, "Mike" <blough...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "The Real Bev" <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:Vbfrl.85390$2h5.41208@newsfe11.iad...
>>
>>> Peaceful Bill wrote:
>>>> The destruction of America, more Mexicans breeding coming in, more
>>>> Somolians coming in...
>>> What is a Somolian?
>>> --
>>> Cheers, Bev
>>> ==============================================================
>>> "Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
>>> Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded."
>> I think it is a brand of Beer.
>
> Maybe he meant "simoleon," a slang term for money.
>
> N.

Maybe I didn't write it at all. Maybe Roger Hamilton wrote it. Maybe
ask it.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 2:51 pm
From: The Real Bev

Nancy2 wrote:
> On Mar 3, 1:29 pm, "Mike" <blough...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "The Real Bev" <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Peaceful Bill wrote:
>>
>> >> The destruction of America, more Mexicans breeding coming in, more
>> >> Somolians coming in...
>>
>> > What is a Somolian?
>>
>> I think it is a brand of Beer.
>
> Maybe he meant "simoleon," a slang term for money.

Wouldn't we welcome them with open arms then?

--
Cheers, Bev
========================================================
"By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other
dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 2:52 pm
From: The Real Bev

Horvath wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:29:49 GMT, "Mike" <bloughtus@hotmail.com> wrote
> this crap:
>
>>> What is a Somolian?
>
>>I think it is a brand of Beer.
>
> I thought it was an Italian tube steak.

Horvie? What's a great Hungarian warrior doing in a frugal living group? Oh,
wait, I see. Never mind.

--
Cheers, Bev
========================================================
"By the time they had diminished from 50 to 8, the other
dwarves began to suspect 'Hungry.'" -Gary Larson

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 4:27 pm
From: The Real Bev

Peaceful Bill wrote:

> Nancy2 wrote:
>> On Mar 3, 1:29 pm, "Mike" <blough...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> "The Real Bev" <bashley...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:Vbfrl.85390$2h5.41208@newsfe11.iad...
>>>
>>>> Peaceful Bill wrote:
>>>>> The destruction of America, more Mexicans breeding coming in, more
>>>>> Somolians coming in...
>>>> What is a Somolian?
>>>
>>> I think it is a brand of Beer.
>>
>> Maybe he meant "simoleon," a slang term for money.
>
> Maybe I didn't write it at all. Maybe Roger Hamilton wrote it. Maybe
> ask it.

I don't give half a shit about who wrote it, I just want to know what a Somolian
is and why we should be afraid of it.

--
Cheers, Bev
===================================================================
"If your mechanic claims that he stands behind his brake jobs, keep
looking. You want to find one willing to stand in front of them."

-- B. Ward

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 2:41 pm
From: The Real Bev

albundy2@mailinator.com wrote:

> On Mar 3, 4:14 pm, "JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
>> funny story here about parking tickets.
>>
>> Many years ago, I was having surgery and my mother parked in the hospital
>> parking lot - which had meters. Surgery took longer than expected and she
>> got a parking ticket. I was hospitalized for 2 weeks after the surgery. My
>> mother continued to come every day - and parked in the same parking lot -
>> with the parking ticket under the wiper - and she put nothing in the meters.
>> She never got another ticket in those 2 weeks - and the original ticket cost
>> was less than feeding the meter would have been. She put the ticket with
>> the fine in the 'courtesy' box the day she brought me home.

Good for your mom! Ignore albundy.

> And the lesson here folks is that crooks large or petty, have 24/7 to
> figure out how to cheat the system.
> Thank you for sharing.

Don't be an ass. Hospitals and medical buildings charge an arm and a leg for
parking because (a) they can influence where on-street parking is prohibited;
(2) you can't choose a doctor with free parking because there aren't any; and
(3) it's a profit center for the docs who, naturally, make you wait an hour
AFTER your appointment time to see you.

Screw 'em when you can, they do it to you!

--
Cheers, Bev
==============================================================
"Arguing on the internet is like running a race in the Special
Olympics: even if you win, you're still retarded."

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 6:58 pm
From: Patricia Martin Steward

On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 00:56:58 -0800 (PST), choice@bixdesignstudio.co.uk
wrote:
>
>He then
>showed me my expired tax disc and said that the permit wasn't valid
>because the tax disc had expired! How devious is that?

Not devious at all, actually. It was your responsibility to make sure
the tax disc -- whatever in the world that is -- was up to date. You
screwed up. Own it.

--
January 20, 2009
The end of an error

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 9:16 pm
From: josejarvie@ssnet.net

On Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:44:22 -0800 (PST), in misc.consumers.frugal-living albundy2@mailinator.com wrote:

>On Mar 3, 4:14 pm, "JonquilJan" <war...@imcnet.net> wrote:
>> funny story here about parking tickets.
>>
>> Many years ago, I was having surgery and my mother parked in the hospital
>> parking lot - which had meters. Surgery took longer than expected and she
>> got a parking ticket. I was hospitalized for 2 weeks after the surgery. My
>> mother continued to come every day - and parked in the same parking lot -
>> with the parking ticket under the wiper - and she put nothing in the meters.
>> She never got another ticket in those 2 weeks - and the original ticket cost
>> was less than feeding the meter would have been. She put the ticket with
>> the fine in the 'courtesy' box the day she brought me home.
>>
>> JonquilJan
>>
> And the lesson here folks is that crooks large or petty, have 24/7 to
>figure out how to cheat the system.
>Thank you for sharing.

Don't try that in Salem Oregon they come and write a new ticket every two hours. After we got a parking
ticket we thought well at least we are good for the day.. nope.. we came back after dinner and found a second
ticket.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 3:41 pm
From: albundy2@mailinator.com

On Mar 3, 7:26 am, visittosucceed <shariprasadb...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Do to others as you would have them do you." Many problems would be
> solved if people would live by that Golden rule. When you live by it,
> consideration and kindness come back to you.
>
>
Also stated, "He who has the gold, rules."

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TOPIC: Clogged vacuum hose?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Mar 3 2009 10:23 pm
From: "DemoDisk"

"Devo" <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in message
news:georgewkspam-33C674.11303726022009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> I always liked to un-clog the hose by reversing the flow.
> but cutting a plastic jug "mouth" to fit is just right for sealing the
> business end to the vacuum inlet.
> try it , you might like it.
> --
> It's amazing what you can do. If...
> you put your mind to it.

The powerful motor of our vacuum had packed new-carpet lint so densely
that I thought the machine had failed. I had to fish out clumps of lint
from the hose with one of those 3-prong grabbers.

That done, the vac is much quieter and the carpets finally get clean.

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