Frugal Living: 07/01/2010

Saturday, July 31, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

* Facebook hacker - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/178da35874905dfb?hl=en
* learn how to use coupons - 3 messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/aeb8e42a23868d01?hl=en
* Use a PC monitor with a Blue Ray player? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b10e2e7d52880350?hl=en
* I HACK $2500 FROM PAYPAL - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b3e177086fd3fa4a?hl=en
* Riding a bike in London is risky business - 14 messages, 6 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e744f8b768901596?hl=en
* Brazil Actresses Sex Videos In All Angles. - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/e7c4b1c160a7d77f?hl=en
* Kabul is not a backward city by Western standards - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5e057b532bce0fd4?hl=en
* Not hard brown sugar, but white granulized - 3 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ba32abd9533d725a?hl=en

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TOPIC: Facebook hacker
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 12:06 am
From: The Real Bev

On 07/30/10 21:09, John Savage wrote:

> noel888<harri85274@aol.com> writes:
>>I was duped into joining Facebook by a hacker. It looked completely
>>ligit. Now after losing $100 , the hacker's facebook site is gone. So
>>that confirms to me that i have been hacked. I would like to remove my
>>info and everything from Facebook, but there is no contact on how to
>>do this on their site. Does anyone here know how i can get out if?
>>Thanks
>
> How does one "lose" $100 by joining Facebook? Did you pay $100 to join?
> It's free, so I'm mystified how someone can lose money just by joining.

Send me $100 and I will tell you :-)

--
Cheers, Bev
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"If God had wanted us to use the metric system,
Jesus would have had 10 apostles."
- Jesse Helms

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TOPIC: learn how to use coupons
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 12:11 am
From: The Real Bev

On 07/30/10 17:37, Patricia Martin Steward wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:50:31 -0700 (PDT), Steve S
> <sjsindustries@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>If your not using coupons than your paying to much.
>
> So much ignorance, so little time.

Yeah. There used to be coupons for useful things like canned vegetables
and yogurt. Now they seem to be only for overpriced toiletries (I just
bought 4 triple-blade razors for 99 cents at the 99-Cents-Only store;
how can Gillette get away with charging several dollars for just ONE?)
and name brand stuff that even with the coupon doesn't come close to the
price of the equally-good generic.

WORTHLESS!

--
Cheers, Bev
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"If God had wanted us to use the metric system,
Jesus would have had 10 apostles."
- Jesse Helms

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 2:44 am
From: "Sam"

The Real Bev wrote:
> On 07/30/10 17:37, Patricia Martin Steward wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:50:31 -0700 (PDT), Steve S
>> <sjsindustries@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> If your not using coupons than your paying to much.
>>
>> So much ignorance, so little time.
>
> Yeah. There used to be coupons for useful things like canned
> vegetables and yogurt. Now they seem to be only for overpriced
> toiletries (I just bought 4 triple-blade razors for 99 cents at the
> 99-Cents-Only store; how can Gillette get away with charging several
> dollars for just ONE?) and name brand stuff that even with the coupon
> doesn't come close to the price of the equally-good generic.
>
> WORTHLESS!

Only fools bother with razors. You qualify.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 2:51 am
From: "Simon Brown"

Only fools bother with razors. You qualify.

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TOPIC: Use a PC monitor with a Blue Ray player?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 2:42 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Gordon wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Gordon wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Gordon wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>>>> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.

>>>>>>> The RF signal still propagates the same way.

>>>>>> Wrong, you dont get ghosts for starters.

>>>>>> And it works a lot better in weak signal areas too.

>>>>> The RF still propagates the same way.

>>>> Still works a hell of a lot better at weak signal levels where
>>>> there is no direct path between the transmitter and receiver.

>>> Yes, digital signals are less suseptable to interfearence.
>>> And multipath reception is a form of self interfearence.
>>> But that has nothing to do with RF propagation.

>> You were the only one rabbitting on about RF propagation.

> Because RF propagation determinies if you can get a signal or not.

You can ALWAYS get a signal in the situation being discussed, fuckwit.

> And how good that signal will be. The OP said that he could not get TV reception.

He didnt even say that, he ACTUALLY said that he needed a tower
to get adequate reception and that is very unlikely with digital TV.

>>>>> It doesn't make any difference that there is digital information
>>>>> modulated onto the carrier. RF is still RF. It behaves the same
>>>>> regardless of what type of information it is carying.

>>>> Wrong with weak signal levels.

>>> Bull! RF is still RF.

> Itiot!

Fuckwit!!!

> I did not.

Everyone can see for themselves that you are lying, as always.

> Re-read the 2nd line. I added emphisis so you can find it.

Pity about your shit you carefully deleted from the quoting and I have restored.

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TOPIC: I HACK $2500 FROM PAYPAL
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 5:58 am
From: paypal money

I HACK $2500 FROM PAYPAL At http://uptadesonly.co.cc

i have hidden the PayPal Form link in an image. in that
website On Top Side Above search box , click on image
and enter your PayPal id And Your name.

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TOPIC: Riding a bike in London is risky business
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 6:42 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 31, 8:40 am, fur...@mail.croydon.ac.uk wrote:
> On 30 July, 23:37, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > My sources in London (Yahoo News) tell me that such is the nature of
> > riding a bike in London. But things are relative and not black and
> > white, and probably riding a bike in Miami or NYC is far more
> > dangerous.
>
> I can't comment on Miami, I've never been there. I would say that
> London and New York would be pretty similar in terms of risk; I
> wouldn't want to ride a bike in either of them, and there's not much
> that scares me. It's not only the danger, the roads are also dirty
> and fume-filled. If there was a dedicated bike route, not just a
> narrow lane at the side of a normal road, the whole way from home to
> work, then I'd probably buy a bike, and use it. Of course, there's
> still the problem of arriving at work soaking wet in bad weather. As
> it is, I'll keep going by bus.
>
> Of course, different parts of London, or New York, are totally
> different to each other. Overall, I'd say much of London is pretty
> terrible, I hated driving in it during the few years that I had a car,
> but that was almost 28 years ago, and it's certainly got worse since.

London vs. NYC vs. Miami?

Miami bus system is in shambles so getting around by bus is not an
option (unless you are retired). And riding a bike is something you do
short of Euthanasia...

Now, America shares some common dangers not seen in the civilized
world: PEOPLE DRIVE CUSTOMARILY PHONE IN HAND. I don't know about NYC,
but here is the norm. We also have the lion's share of Supersized
Unnecessary Vehicles that add extra aggressiveness and size to the
road (they really ROAR). Road rage is daily life in the city, and I've
been attacked and spit upon for giving a finger to a driver minding my
business.

I guess we are down there with Kabul.

>
>
>
> > London though is launching 6,000 bikes and it may see some peace after
> > the initial mayhem. Is it really that bad? Here they kill you for
> > giving the finger. What it would be like to ride a bike in
> > Afghanistan? Or will it be more deadly to ride an SUV?
>
> > LONDON – Feel like living dangerously?
>
> > Riding a bike in London will soon be more convenient, though it's
> > unlikely to be any less scary. Riders already dodge the city's famed
> > black cabs and double-decker buses — to say nothing of other cyclists.
>
> > A bike rental program launched Friday by London's Mayor Boris Johnson
> > will add an additional 6,000 bikes to the capital's congested streets.
> > Under the initiative, cyclists will be able to rent bikes from 400
> > docking stations around town.
>
> > Johnson called it "a new dawn for the bicycle in the capital" — but
> > veterans of the London cycling scene are bracing for a new era of
> > transit mayhem.
>
> I've seen these bike rental things when I was up in London last
> weekend, though they were not in use then. How do they cope with the
> fact that a bicycle is supposed to be adjusted to fit each rider; do
> you carry a set of spanners with you to make such adjustments?

There must be a way. The Velib is already in place after all. The
Parisian model is interesting. I think they ride mostly on the road
and people are fine. THERE'S SAFETY IN NUMBERS.

>
> Another Boris gimmick I think; if somebody wants to ride a bike, why
> not buy their own? There are a lot of these rental station things in
> the central area, so you would not need to walk far to find one. they
> look like high-tech bike racks, with what I think are contactless
> smart card readers attached to them. I'm not sure how the scheme
> works, where it's pre-pay and you top up the card, or you're billed
> for the use you make, and whether it's charged by the hour, day, mile
> or what.

Buying your own is always an option, but I guess it sends a signal
that the city is not about cars only. They promised such here in Miami
Beach. I wonder what became of it?

Maybe if I do a Google search?

'While the "City of Lights" is the poster child for what's right and
wrong about bike-sharing, it's only one of scores of programs
springing up all around the world, including here in North America.
Bike share programs are up and running in Washington, D.C.,
Philadelphia (see the short documentary below), and Miami Beach.'

http://evworld.com/currents.cfm?jid=124

Wow, it says they are out there! What have I been missing by being in
the cage! Still around here you see monkeys riding Walmart bikes on
sidewalks. They are true survivors, but it's really more dangerous
than the road.

I'll check into Velib Miami.

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 8:14 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

This time is for real, huh?

http://www.decobike.com/index.php

I hope they go together with the place to ride them. I don't ask for
special facilities. I would love people TAKING THE LANE with them and
riding as far as Haulover Beach (the nudist beach to be exact) OVER
THE BRIDGE at Bal Harbour (not on the sidewalk) and over the causeways
to Biscayne Blvd. The 96th st causeway needs to be friendly to
bicycles, not telling people to "walk bicycle" over the bridge, on a
sidewalk where barely a man can walk. That's where the "vigilante"
attacked me for not complying with that stupid rule.

Now we should bring that system to Kabul to pacify them.

NOTE: Luckily I haven't sold my beautiful bikes yet.

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 10:15 am
From: Chris

On 30/07/2010 23:39, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock wrote:
> My sources in London (Yahoo News) tell me that such is the nature of
> riding a bike in London. But things are relative and not black and
> white, and probably riding a bike in Miami or NYC is far more
> dangerous.
>
> London though is launching 6,000 bikes and it may see some peace after
> the initial mayhem. Is it really that bad? Here they kill you for
> giving the finger. What it would be like to ride a bike in
> Afghanistan? Or will it be more deadly to ride an SUV?
>
> LONDON – Feel like living dangerously?
>
> Riding a bike in London will soon be more convenient, though it's
> unlikely to be any less scary. Riders already dodge the city's famed
> black cabs and double-decker buses — to say nothing of other cyclists.
>
> A bike rental program launched Friday by London's Mayor Boris Johnson
> will add an additional 6,000 bikes to the capital's congested streets.
> Under the initiative, cyclists will be able to rent bikes from 400
> docking stations around town.
>
> Johnson called it "a new dawn for the bicycle in the capital" — but
> veterans of the London cycling scene are bracing for a new era of
> transit mayhem.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_re_eu/eu_biking_in_london
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS
>
> "The jungle is a very dangerous place to be for the unwise"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> (the revolution starts with the turning of a wheel and the bipedal
> monkey)
In London a lot of cyclists have been run down by trucks turning left,
equivalent to right turn in the US, as a lot tend to undertake, pass the
passenger side of vehicles. The attitude of a lot of cyclists does not
help though as a lot run red lights, ride on pavements and go down one
way streets the wrong way.

--
Chris

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 11:11 am
From: Tony Raven

Chris wrote:
>
> In London a lot of cyclists have been run down by trucks turning left,
> equivalent to right turn in the US, as a lot tend to undertake, pass the
> passenger side of vehicles. The attitude of a lot of cyclists does not
> help though as a lot run red lights, ride on pavements and go down one
> way streets the wrong way.
>

Not a lot actually. Ten or less a year are hit by trucks which, for 180
million cycle journeys a year means its pretty rare. And easily avoided
by giving the big trucks a bit more room and respect.

It may feel scary riding in parts of London but risky it is not by any
sensible meaning of the word.

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 11:39 am
From: "Colin McKenzie"

On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:11:20 +0100, Tony Raven <traven@gotadsl.co.uk>
wrote:

> Chris wrote:
>>
>> In London a lot of cyclists have been run down by trucks turning left,
>> equivalent to right turn in the US, as a lot tend to undertake, pass
>> the passenger side of vehicles. The attitude of a lot of cyclists does
>> not help though as a lot run red lights, ride on pavements and go down
>> one way streets the wrong way.
>
> Not a lot actually. Ten or less a year are hit by trucks which, for 180
> million cycle journeys a year means its pretty rare. And easily avoided
> by giving the big trucks a bit more room and respect.

Quite. And as rather fewer than 10 a year, on average, are killed by other
vehicles, you can halve your already minuscule risk of death simply by
being very careful around lorries:
- don't pass (on either side) unless it can't possibly move in the time it
takes to get past.
- if in front, be where the driver can see you, and make eye contact to
make sure he HAS seen you.
- if to the side with priority, ride in a prominent position but be ready
to stop until you know the driver's seen you.

If you want to halve your chance of injury, do the same with other
vehicles, and ride a door's width from parked cars.

Colin McKenzie

> It may feel scary riding in parts of London but risky it is not by any
> sensible meaning of the word.

--
No-one has ever proved that cycle helmets make cycling any safer at the
population level, and anyway cycling is about as safe per mile as walking.
Make an informed choice - visit www.cyclehelmets.org.

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 12:36 pm
From: Jobst Brandt

Chris who? wrote:

> In London a lot of cyclists have been run down by trucks turning
> left, equivalent to right turn in the US, as a lot tend to
> undertake, pass the passenger side of vehicles. The attitude of a
> lot of cyclists does not help though as a lot run red lights, ride
> on pavements and go down one way streets the wrong way.

I spent a few miles riding in central London where two lane streets
were converted to three lanes, tow for cars and one for buses and
taxis and bicycles. This new lane was paved with red asphalt. I and
my brother, who lives there, rode close to the curb on the left and
were passed by huge transit busses with few inches to spare. This was
standard procedure for adult bicyclists, who use these streets for
transportation.

Although we found riding with care safe, I commented to my brother
that many wreck.bike riders would die here, knowing their propensity
to "take the lane", it being their legal right. Don't try it!

Jobst Brandt

== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 1:02 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 31, 2:11 pm, Tony Raven <tra...@gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> Chris wrote:
>
> > In London a lot of cyclists have been run down by trucks turning left,
> > equivalent to right turn in the US, as a lot tend to undertake, pass the
> > passenger side of vehicles. The attitude of a lot of cyclists does not
> > help though as a lot run red lights, ride on pavements and go down one
> > way streets the wrong way.
>
> Not a lot actually. Ten or less a year are hit by trucks which, for 180
> million cycle journeys a year means its pretty rare. And easily avoided
> by giving the big trucks a bit more room and respect.
>
> It may feel scary riding in parts of London but risky it is not by any
> sensible meaning of the word.

The word I hate the most is STRESSFUL. Rides that become so around
here (90% of them) I avoid and I simply drive a car.

== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 1:04 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 31, 2:39 pm, "Colin McKenzie" <n...@proof-read.co.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:11:20 +0100, Tony Raven <tra...@gotadsl.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> > Chris wrote:
>
> >> In London a lot of cyclists have been run down by trucks turning left,
> >> equivalent to right turn in the US, as a lot tend to undertake, pass
> >> the passenger side of vehicles. The attitude of a lot of cyclists does
> >> not help though as a lot run red lights, ride on pavements and go down
> >> one way streets the wrong way.
>
> > Not a lot actually. Ten or less a year are hit by trucks which, for 180
> > million cycle journeys a year means its pretty rare. And easily avoided
> > by giving the big trucks a bit more room and respect.
>
> Quite. And as rather fewer than 10 a year, on average, are killed by other
> vehicles, you can halve your already minuscule risk of death simply by
> being very careful around lorries:
> - don't pass (on either side) unless it can't possibly move in the time it
> takes to get past.
> - if in front, be where the driver can see you, and make eye contact to
> make sure he HAS seen you.
> - if to the side with priority, ride in a prominent position but be ready
> to stop until you know the driver's seen you.
>
> If you want to halve your chance of injury, do the same with other
> vehicles, and ride a door's width from parked cars.

My proposal to MANDATE VISIBLE CLOTHING/VEST/LYCRA would help quite a
bit. No clothing, no rights.

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 1:09 pm
From: Tony Raven

Jobst Brandt wrote:
>
> I spent a few miles riding in central London where two lane streets
> were converted to three lanes, tow for cars and one for buses and
> taxis and bicycles. This new lane was paved with red asphalt. I and
> my brother, who lives there, rode close to the curb on the left and
> were passed by huge transit busses with few inches to spare. This was
> standard procedure for adult bicyclists, who use these streets for
> transportation.
>
> Although we found riding with care safe, I commented to my brother
> that many wreck.bike riders would die here, knowing their propensity
> to "take the lane", it being their legal right. Don't try it!
>

Your trouble was not taking the lane. I ride in London all the time and
your riding style will always create problems of buses and taxis trying
to squeeze past whereas I have very few because they have to overtake
me. Its a pity you saw fit to comment on how to do it with so little
experience.

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 1:12 pm
From: Tony Raven

His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>
>>
>> If you want to halve your chance of injury, do the same with other
>> vehicles, and ride a door's width from parked cars.
>
> My proposal to MANDATE VISIBLE CLOTHING/VEST/LYCRA would help quite a
> bit. No clothing, no rights.

I bet you'd get noticed even more without clothing and you can bet most
motorists would give you a much wider berth ;-)

--
Tony

" I would never die for my beliefs because I might be wrong."
Bertrand Russell

== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 1:28 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 31, 4:12 pm, Tony Raven <tra...@gotadsl.co.uk> wrote:
> His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of
>
> Tantra-Hammock wrote:
>
> >> If you want to halve your chance of injury, do the same with other
> >> vehicles, and ride a door's width from parked cars.
>
> > My proposal to MANDATE VISIBLE CLOTHING/VEST/LYCRA would help quite a
> > bit. No clothing, no rights.
>
> I bet you'd get noticed even more without clothing and you can bet most
> motorists would give you a much wider berth ;-)

No wonder some cyclists propose riding naked. A young lady would
surely get the most attention.

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 1:49 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

Only a problem if done alone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYFkos8DDlY

== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 2:26 pm
From: "Colin McKenzie"

On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:04:27 +0100, His Highness the TibetanMonkey,
Creator of the Movement of Tantra-Hammock <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> My proposal to MANDATE VISIBLE CLOTHING/VEST/LYCRA would help quite a
> bit. No clothing, no rights.

No-one has ever proved that hi-viz clothing makes you safer. You may be
visible from further away, but by definition the driver who hits you is
rather close.

The main thing is to be where they're looking, and not to assume you've
been seen until there's evidence that you have.

Colin McKenzie

== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 2:33 pm
From: "Colin McKenzie"

On Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:09:52 +0100, Tony Raven <traven@gotadsl.co.uk>
wrote:
> Jobst Brandt wrote:
>> I spent a few miles riding in central London where two lane streets
>> were converted to three lanes, tow for cars and one for buses and
>> taxis and bicycles. This new lane was paved with red asphalt. I and
>> my brother, who lives there, rode close to the curb on the left and
>> were passed by huge transit busses with few inches to spare. This was
>> standard procedure for adult bicyclists, who use these streets for
>> transportation.
>> Although we found riding with care safe, I commented to my brother
>> that many wreck.bike riders would die here, knowing their propensity
>> to "take the lane", it being their legal right. Don't try it!
>>
> Your trouble was not taking the lane. I ride in London all the time and
> your riding style will always create problems of buses and taxis trying
> to squeeze past whereas I have very few because they have to overtake
> me. Its a pity you saw fit to comment on how to do it with so little
> experience.

Absolutely. I would add that too many cyclists equate delaying drivers
with endangering themselves. Actually the main point is to be seen and
taken account of, which means taking the lane if it's too narrow to pass
safely.

Being hooted is great. You know the driver's seen you, and you know that
when you let him pass, he'll pass quickly and not dither.

I am still amazed how many cyclists hug the left of a narrow lane and
never look back, and are overtaken with barely a foot of clearance as a
result. That very rarely happens to me. If it did, my hand would be in
agony from all the cars I'd have thumped.

Colin McKenzie

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 10:45 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

Which means that cars outnumber bicycles by 1,000 to 1. Funny, that
city is still in the middle of a very poor country, and they could be
make better use of bicycles than cars.

India and China are nearby and they use the bicycle extensively.
Though they also want to leave it behind for the outcasts and want to
embrace CAPITALISM with full power, ie. SUVs and all.

In this clip of Kabul, you don't see the homeless, a staple of Western
capitals, but you do see a few bikes, riding against traffic, whatever
it takes to survive in chaos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZyHX3KqSl0&feature=related

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TOPIC: Not hard brown sugar, but white granulized
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 12:45 pm
From: noel888

I purchased this 5 lb granulized sugar about 2 or 3 weeks ago..sale
price. It was normal then. Yesterday i had to use it for the first
time and i took it out of the pantry and it was hard as a rock. Now i
heard something about microwaves and brown sugar...does it apply to
white sugar as well? I really don't see the difference. But this is a
5 pound bag...hate to put it in the micro like that...it would
probably burst and not knowing what readings one should set it at also.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 3:05 pm
From: imascot

noel888 <harri85274@aol.com> wrote in news:36eb098c-3f85-4f38-a3fa-
051c6655a9ad@g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:

> I purchased this 5 lb granulized sugar about 2 or 3 weeks ago..sale
> price. It was normal then. Yesterday i had to use it for the first
> time and i took it out of the pantry and it was hard as a rock. Now i
> heard something about microwaves and brown sugar...does it apply to
> white sugar as well? I really don't see the difference. But this is a
> 5 pound bag...hate to put it in the micro like that...it would
> probably burst and not knowing what readings one should set it at also.
>

Google is your friend:
http://whatscookingamerica.net/Q-A/BrownSugar.htm

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 3:16 pm
From: noel888

On Jul 31, 6:05 pm, imascot <im...@mycomputer.now> wrote:
> noel888 <harri85...@aol.com> wrote in news:36eb098c-3f85-4f38-a3fa-
> 051c6655a...@g35g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > I purchased this 5 lb granulized sugar about 2 or 3 weeks ago..sale
> > price. It was normal then. Yesterday i had to use it for the first
> > time and i took it out of the pantry and it was hard as a rock. Now i
> > heard something about microwaves and brown sugar...does it apply to
> > white sugar as well? I really don't see the difference. But this is a
> > 5 pound bag...hate to put it in the micro like that...it would
> > probably burst and not knowing what readings one should set it at also.
>
> Google is your friend:http://whatscookingamerica.net/Q-A/BrownSugar.htm
>
> .

google denied me LOL

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Today's topics:

* Rice cooker which switches to OFF - 5 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/0e8d6a586e358bd3?hl=en
* clean with magazine sheets but not newspaper? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/605f8bf78d50bdbb?hl=en
* Can anyone recommend a bread machine that makes good whole wheat? - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b6f96ebf5dbb9332?hl=en
* Use a PC monitor with a Blue Ray player? - 2 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b10e2e7d52880350?hl=en
* The Nation of Aztlan calls for the removal of whites from North America - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/1d157a202de4cc43?hl=en
* Facebook hacker - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/178da35874905dfb?hl=en

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TOPIC: Rice cooker which switches to OFF
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:10 pm
From: John Savage

"Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> writes:
References:
<2336e6a9-9d6b-450a-8f59-0ff07db96190@w15g2000pro.googlegroups.com>
<3d1a9b6d-d113-42da-9007-77ff498fec0d@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>
<i1nsn9$4vm$1@news.albasani.net>

> > On Jul 13, 10:22 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
> >>
> >> I need one which shuts off.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?

>Is there something wrong with a pot on the stovetop?

Need the gas low to cook slowly using the absorption method. This means
the flame will sometimes go out (supply pressure fluctuates).
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:11 pm
From: John Savage

aesthete8 <artsy6@gmail.com> writes:
>On Jul 14, 7:22=A0am, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 13, 10:22=A0pm,aesthete8<art...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
>>
>> > I need one which shuts off.
>>
>> > Any suggestions?
>>
>> Rice is pH-neutral and is among the more dangerous
>> foods to hold between 40 and 140 F. =A0You probably
>> won't find one that shuts off.
>>
>> Why do you want this feature?
>>
>> Cindy Hamilton
>
>For safety reasons.
>
>I just don't want to forget to pull out the rice cooker plug before I
>leave the house or go to sleep.

My cheap MAXIM "Made in China" model (a sidewalk pickup) has only COOK and
OFF. Just as well, as am always forgetting to unplug it till it comes time
to scrape out the left-overs and wash the bowl. :-(
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:11 pm
From: John Savage

VFW <georgeswk@toast.net> writes:
>Like firewood , as it dries it is better. You just have to set it out in
>the sun and wait, I can do that.
>And of course you're going to say that I get better with age.
>Like a fine cheese.
>what else improves with time?

Strychnine. At least it has a reputation for getting stronger with age.

Incidental note from wikipedia:
Although it is best known as a poison, small doses of strychnine were once
used in medications as a stimulant, as a laxative, and as a treatment for
other stomach ailments. A 1934 drug guide for nurses described it as
"among the most valuable and widely prescribed drugs". Strychnine's
stimulant effects also led to its use historically for enhancing
performance in sports."

I wonder are Olympic athletes tested for the presence of strychnine?
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:22 pm
From: John Savage

"Lou" <lpogoda@hotmail.com> writes:

> > On Jul 13, 10:22 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
> >>
> >> I need one which shuts off.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?

>Is there something wrong with a pot on the stovetop?

Need the gas low to cook slowly using the absorption method. This means
the flame will sometimes go out (supply pressure fluctuates).
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 11:06 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

John Savage wrote
> Lou <lpogoda@hotmail.com> writes
>>> aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.

>>>> I need one which shuts off.

>>>> Any suggestions?

>> Is there something wrong with a pot on the stovetop?

> Need the gas low to cook slowly using the absorption method.

You dont have to use the absorption method and dont have to have a gas stove either.

> This means the flame will sometimes go out (supply pressure fluctuates).

Wrong with a properly designed gas stove.

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TOPIC: clean with magazine sheets but not newspaper?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:10 pm
From: John Savage

"john hamilton" <bluestar95@mail.invalid> writes:
>After reading our newspapers we end up with an oily dirt on our hands, but
>not after reading the magazine supplements that come inside the newspapers
>or the television guide magazines.

Even were the printing processes identical for newspapers and the magazines,
you would still find a marked difference in the extent their pages soil your
fingers during handling. Most newspapers still use an oil-based ink, the oil
being a slow-drying hydrocarbon solvent, and it takes days to evaporate.
For the articles in newspapers to be current, they are usually printed on the
morning that you read them, meaning their ink has not had a chance to dry.
The supplements, on the other hand, are printed days ahead and the solvent
in their ink has had plenty of time to dry (almost).

Historically, inks have contained traces of toxic substances, especially the
coloured inks, and I expect that in some countries that is still the case.
But here in Australia, I have not heard anyone caution against the use of
newpapers or magazines for gardens and composting. Presumably, the industry
here is regulated to use only non-toxic inks. (The same does not apply to
dyes in inks and cosmetics imported from China.)

The search for a more environmentally-friendly printers ink has been a topic
of much discussion over the years in our local daily, where invariably the
response has been that available water-based inks still have one or more
shortcomings in comparison with the traditional oil-based product. Only
recently was it announced that an acceptable substitute has been developed.

I don't know whether it's the ink, or the fibrous paper itself, which gives
newspaper its recognised capacity to shine window panes and mirrors. Guess
I could discover for myself by tearing off a handful of unprinted sheet
borders and trying to polish a mirror with them. :-)

>Would anyone know how to explain simply how the method of printing is done
>differently between the magazines and the newspapers? Thanks for any
>advice.

I can't address that as I don't know. Maybe someone else can or already has?

Because our fingers (i.e., our skin) secrete both natural oils and also water
(perspiration), we tend to get stained by dyes which are soluble in oil (i.e.
the stuff from 'permanent' markers) and also by dyes which are soluble in
water. The best (or worst) of both worlds, as it were.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

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TOPIC: Can anyone recommend a bread machine that makes good whole wheat?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:13 pm
From: John Savage

freeisbest <demeter547opine@yahoo.com> writes:
>Good bread is ridiculously expensive here in central NC.$5 and $6
>a loaf and I'm not going to pay that. Does anyone know if there's a
>reasonably-priced machine that makes *good* 12-grain or whole wheat
>bread from start to finish?

I know precisely what you mean. I believe it's not the machine that you
need to change, it's your recipe and method. In short, the best way to
improve the bread-maker cycle is to 24 hours before you intend baking,
mix together in a plastic bowl about half your flour, just half tspn of
yeast, and sufficient water to produce a stiff dough consistency. (Just
use a spoon to mix, no need to work it with your hands.) Let it stand
covered on a bench for up to 36 hours, observing that it bubbles and
becomes spongy. Then add this to your breadmaker along with the rest of
the flour and yeast, other ingredients, a measure of sugar, and water.

You have to decide whether you will go with a commercial grain bread mix
using proper baker's flour, or compromise with the economy route using
ordinary kitchen cake-making flour supplemented with added gluten or
bread improver. The difference in cost works out to be a factor of 2 to
3 for me, but YMMV if you can find a bulk supplier of bread-making flour.

In any case, the group to follow is alt.bread.recipes

>I really hope someone has information or suggestions for a small-
>town gardener who would like tomato sandwiches make with our own our
>tomatoes and homemade bread.

Homebaked bread, homegrown tomato, sharp cheese, salt & pepper = Heaven!

My directions above omit one key step: *lots* of experimentation!!
I suggest that you temper your ambition at first by using 1/3 white
flour until you have prefected the loaf, then gradually go over to
trying all whole wheat if that's desired. I doubt that most commercial
loaves would be 100% whole grain, would they? The cracked grains in
grain bread will benefit from the 24 hour ferment, by being softened.

HTH
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 11:09 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8bfn29F3b6U2@mid.individual.net:

>>>> It doesn't make any difference that there is digital information
>>>> modulated onto the carrier.====> RF is still RF.<==== It behaves
>>>> the same regardless of what type of information it is carying.
>
>>> Wrong with weak signal levels.
>
>> Bull! RF is still RF.
>
> You just said the exact opposite, fool.

Itiot!
I did not. Re-read the 2nd line. I added emphisis so you can find it.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 11:11 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:8bfn29F3b6U2
@mid.individual.net:

> You were the only one rabbitting on about RF propagation.

Because RF propagation determinies if you can get
a signal or not. And how good that signal will be.
The OP said that he could not get TV reception.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 12:03 am
From: Gunner Asch

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:32:33 -0700 (PDT), Curt <obadiahlynch@gmail.com>
wrote:

>>
>> When Mills penned that...the Right Wing were considered "liberals"
>
>Oh my heavens, no no no. You've been listening to the wrong radio
>shows. Try reading a book or something -- you're just all goofered up.
>What composes the current right wing is in no way anything like what
>classical liberalism is all about. You've just been fibbed to, is all.
>Probably not your fault -- you don't sound very discerning.

The opinion of a far leftwing extremist fringe kook in utter denial is
noted with amused contempt.

Gunner

"A conservative who doesn't believe? in God simply doesn't pray;
a godless liberal wants no one to pray. A conservative who doesn't
like guns doesn't buy one; a liberal gun-hater wants to disarm us all.
A gay conservative has sex his own way; a gay liberal requires us all
to watch and accept his perversion and have it taught to children.
A conservative who is offended by a radio show changes the station;
an offended liberal wants it banned, prosecuted and persecuted."
Bobby XD9

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Jul 31 2010 12:06 am
From: The Real Bev

On 07/30/10 21:09, John Savage wrote:

Send me $100 and I will tell you :-)

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jul 29 2010 11:31 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
news:8be24vF9k5U1@mid.individual.net:

> Gordon wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.
>
>>>> The RF signal still propagates the same way.
>
>>> Wrong, you dont get ghosts for starters.
>
>>> And it works a lot better in weak signal areas too.
>
>> The RF still propagates the same way.
>
> Still works a hell of a lot better at weak signal levels where
> there is no direct path between the transmitter and receiver.

Yes, digital signals are less suseptable to interfearence. And
multipath reception is a form of self interfearence. But that has
nothing to do with RF propagation.
>
>> It doesn't make any difference that there is digital information
>> modulated onto the carrier. RF is still RF. It behaves the same
>> regardless of what type of information it is carying.
>
> Wrong with weak signal levels.

Bull! RF is still RF.

>
>> Oh, about the ghosts. ATSC tuners and decoders have circuits that
>> cancel them.
>
> Lie with digital TV.

Look it up.

>
>> You don't see them because they have been processed out, not because
>> they don't exist.
>
> Yes, they still exist, but they are just ignored with digital TV.
>
Yes. That's what I said.
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 3:15 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Gordon wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Gordon wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> Digital TV is very different to analog TV.

>>>>> The RF signal still propagates the same way.

>>>> Wrong, you dont get ghosts for starters.

>>>> And it works a lot better in weak signal areas too.

>>> The RF still propagates the same way.

>> Still works a hell of a lot better at weak signal levels where
>> there is no direct path between the transmitter and receiver.

> Yes, digital signals are less suseptable to interfearence.
> And multipath reception is a form of self interfearence.
> But that has nothing to do with RF propagation.

You were the only one rabbitting on about RF propagation.

>>> It doesn't make any difference that there is digital information
>>> modulated onto the carrier. RF is still RF. It behaves the same
>>> regardless of what type of information it is carying.

>> Wrong with weak signal levels.

> Bull! RF is still RF.

You just said the exact opposite, fool.

>>> Oh, about the ghosts. ATSC tuners and decoders have circuits that cancel them.

>> Lie with digital TV.

> Look it up.

Dont need to, its a lie.

>>> You don't see them because they have been processed out, not because they don't exist.

>> Yes, they still exist, but they are just ignored with digital TV.

> Yes. That's what I said.

Nothing like what you said.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 2:31 am
From: lizhou zhu

Finding the best looking way to wear and/or style our hair is a common
problem we all share at one time or another. Fortunately your hair
grows and replaces itself, so almost anything you do will "not be
permanent". As a result trying a new length, shape, or hair color
should be a fun experience rather than a scary one. It's all part of
the self-discovery process.

Regardless of how you style your hair now, changing the length and
shape periodically can help you keep up with the "natural changes"
your hair and facial features under go with time. What once worked
well when you were young may not work as well as you age.

It may come as a surprise but if you look closely you'll find that
many of the classic hairstyles are the result of what each hair type
does naturally and uniquely. With few exceptions, I've found that
almost everyone's natural hair type suits them best when "cut-shaped-
styled" to bring out its hidden beauty.

The secret to finding the "perfect hairstyle" is to simply work with
what the hair does naturally and design your style around it. With a
custom shaping you can easily dress it up or simply shampoo, comb and
go. You'll save time and always look good even when you don't have
time to style your hair. However, the shape and length must also
complement your face shape and most importantly your unique facial
features.

The most important thing to remember is do the best you can with what
you have. If you're not happy with what your hair does, or looks like
naturally there are countless ways to change it. But keep in mind that
none of these things are permanent. Your hair can be one your most
unique features. I always suggest trying to work within the boundries
you've been given rather than trying to break those boundries.

For more hair advice see my Salonweb feature "Ask George" where I
answer your emails.
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TOPIC: MSNBC: Petite woman bumped from plane for hefty passenger
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 3:22 am
From: gordon@hammy.burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)

>> The woman, a petite 5-foot-4, 110 pounds ...
>
>For what it's worth, the average height for women in the U.S. is 5 feet 4
>inches, so she's not petite.
>
>> ... because the overweight passenger in question was only 14 and
>> they were trying to spare the teen embarrassment.

What kind of ticket did the teen have? The passenger bumped was
flying standby. I'm guessing that you can't get child-flying-alone
standby tickets. The teen might have been late for a number of
reasons not his fault, such as a connecting flight being late, or
the airline screwed up in getting him to the connecting flight on
time.

>Sparing the teen embarrassment will result in her weighing about three times
>as much when she's 35, just before she dies of diabetic complications and
>cardiovascular disease.

Does it also give him a sex-change operation? The teen in question was
14 and *male*. It's also unclear that much of the embarrassment had
anything to do with his weight.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 4:09 am
From: Mxsmanic

Gordon Burditt writes:

> Does it also give him a sex-change operation? The teen in question was
> 14 and *male*.

All of the sources I've seen refer to the fat teenager as female.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 4:44 am
From: Kurt Ullman

In article <Q9adnTHUAo53Os_RnZ2dnUVZ_qWdnZ2d@posted.internetamerica>,
gordon@hammy.burditt.org (Gordon Burditt) wrote:

> >Sparing the teen embarrassment will result in her weighing about three times
> >as much when she's 35, just before she dies of diabetic complications and
> >cardiovascular disease.
>
> Does it also give him a sex-change operation? The teen in question was
> 14 and *male*. It's also unclear that much of the embarrassment had
> anything to do with his weight.

There are two empty seats, only one new passenger, but the woman gets
kicked out anyway so the young passenger can have both. How does that
relate to ANYTHING other than weight??

--
I want to find a voracious, small-minded predator
and name it after the IRS.
Robert Bakker, paleontologist

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 5:58 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 30, 12:48 am, "PepsiFr...@teranews.com"
<bobsyoung...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Which, of course, leads to the discussion/argument of how much ANY
> government should control its citizens.
> "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."

It does here in America. Congress voted AGAINST suing the junk food
industry for getting children addicted.

You are either on the side of the predator or the prey.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 8:21 am
From: Opus

On Jul 30, 7:58 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 12:48 am, "PepsiFr...@teranews.com"
>
> <bobsyoung...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Which, of course, leads to the discussion/argument of how much ANY
> > government should control its citizens.
> > "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
>
> It does here in America. Congress voted AGAINST suing the junk food
> industry for getting children addicted.
>
> You are either on the side of the predator or the prey.

BZZZT! Foul on the monkey, binary fallacy, ball back in defense's
court.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 8:46 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

On Jul 30, 11:21 am, Opus <opusthep...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 30, 7:58 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the
> Movement of Tantra-Hammock" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 30, 12:48 am, "PepsiFr...@teranews.com"
>
> > <bobsyoung...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Which, of course, leads to the discussion/argument of how much ANY
> > > government should control its citizens.
> > > "The road to hell is paved with good intentions."
>
> > It does here in America. Congress voted AGAINST suing the junk food
> > industry for getting children addicted.
>
> > You are either on the side of the predator or the prey.
>
> BZZZT! Foul on the monkey, binary fallacy, ball back in defense's
> court.

"Washing one's hands of the conflict between the powerful and the
powerless means to side with the powerful, not to be neutral." -Paulo
Freire

What's all the fuss about lions and monkeys?

While the Rich and Powerful choose the lion as their symbol of power
and exclusiveness, the common people are left without an identity. And
since the poor rely on COOPERATION and CLEVERNESS to survive, their
perfect symbol would be one that shows those characteristics... the
monkey.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 6:04 am
From: paypal cash

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and enter your PayPal id And Your name.

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TOPIC: Using timers to cut back on electric bill
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 6:58 am
From: Alex

Thanks for the great replies...

Actually the idea of using timers came from an episode of Oprah that
aired last night where they interviewed several people who talked
about how they save electricity. One lady reported that her electric
bill went from over $200 to less than $100 just by unplugging
everything she didn't use. I doubt we'll get that kind of return
since I think much of our usage comes from the HVAC system plus the
oven since we cook each morning and night, however if we can use
timers to 'unplug' the vampire devices when we're not home, that would
help to some degree.

I'm trying to mix frugal living with convenience, which is where the
timers come into play. Our entertainment system (TV, cable box, Wii,
and BluRay) all plug into the wall through one power switch, but given
the cable box takes about 3-5 minutes to power-up, that's not ideal
with a 3 year old. This may change in time, but by using the timers
to disconnect power from these devices from say 7:30am to 4:30pm
during the week day plus 11pm to 6am each night, that would disconnect
the devices about 56% of the time. When I get the KillAWatt meter to
test how much they use, this should help. If it's only using $10-$20/
month it may be worth it to just keep them plugged in... not sure. We
also have a second fridge in the garage we're not really using, so I
may look into getting rid of that as well.

Michael, you said I probably got the idea from heating, but honestly I
didn't think about having a timer on the electric water heater until
reading other posts after I posted my comment. As you suggested I'll
need to test how much electricity our hot water heater uses, by
monitoring the meter, but given our hot water heater is in the garage
with Texas summers, it's VERY warm in there most days as it is. I
wonder if a timer would help if we only had it turn on the water
heater from 4am to 6am so the water's warm for AM showers, then again
from 4pm to 6pm so it's warm for evening kids baths, laundry, etc. I
bet with the garage staying as warm as it is, that would help keep the
water warm. Then for winters I could adjust the timer and wrap the
water heater.

Metspitzer, great read on Wiki article, and they actually suggest what
I'm suggesting here by using timers.

And BIll, I didn't think of the light on the power supply using a
large amount of power itself, but I guess it all adds up.

Thanks for the replies -- Alex

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 10:01 am
From: Jeff Thies

Alex wrote:
> Hi Everyone ...
>
> Today Oprah had an episode about frugal living, and one suggestion was
> to unplug most items when not in use. I've known for some time that
> many electrical items like TV, cable box, etc use electricity even
> when off, but while watching the show I started wondering if timers
> could help cut back on how much electricity those devices use.
>
> My thought is this weekend I'll pick-up a Kill-a-watt meter

I bought my KillAWatt P3 not long ago from Radio Shack for $20. There is
a more expensive model that lets you plug in your electric rate, but I
prefer to calculate that myself.

You'll find that modern transformerless devices use little power in
standby. I could read nothing at all from my assorted battery chargers.

You may wish to check before you decide what is worth the nuisance of
turning off.

Jeff

plus a GE
> 7-day plug-in timer, both of which at home depot would be about $45.
> My thought is to gauge how much electricity the things in our
> entertainment center use per hour when not in use (HDTV, cable box,
> BluRay, AppleTV, and Wii) and if I can set the timer to only bring
> power to these devices say from 4:30pm to 11pm M-F then change the
> weekend schedule as needed, this would cut the usage by a large
> percentage. Then I could do the same for the cable modem/router and
> even the microwave in the house.
>
> Has anyone investigated doing something like this? They just
> installed a Smartmeter at our house, so hopefully soon we'll be able
> to see how much electricity our house uses in 15 minute intervals
> anytime.
>
> Thanks for any advice...
>
> Alex

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 5:24 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"Alex" <samalex@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f6eb4258-ec79-4da6-bc16-197f32310948@f6g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi Everyone ...
>
> Today Oprah had an episode about frugal living, and one suggestion was
> to unplug most items when not in use. I've known for some time that
> many electrical items like TV, cable box, etc use electricity even
> when off, but while watching the show I started wondering if timers
> could help cut back on how much electricity those devices use.
>
> My thought is this weekend I'll pick-up a Kill-a-watt meter plus a GE
> 7-day plug-in timer, both of which at home depot would be about $45.
> My thought is to gauge how much electricity the things in our
> entertainment center use per hour when not in use (HDTV, cable box,
> BluRay, AppleTV, and Wii) and if I can set the timer to only bring
> power to these devices say from 4:30pm to 11pm M-F then change the
> weekend schedule as needed, this would cut the usage by a large
> percentage. Then I could do the same for the cable modem/router and
> even the microwave in the house.
>
> Has anyone investigated doing something like this? They just
> installed a Smartmeter at our house, so hopefully soon we'll be able
> to see how much electricity our house uses in 15 minute intervals
> anytime.
>
> Thanks for any advice...
>
> Alex

Home depot and their ilk usually put timers on sale around Xmas selling time
cause people buy Xmas lights and fake trees.

Ask your local government or power ultitiy for rebates. They may give one
for use of timers. They do around here once a year.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 6:18 pm
From: Vandy Terre

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:35:33 -0700 (PDT), Alex <samalex@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi Everyone ...
>
>Today Oprah had an episode about frugal living, and one suggestion was
>to unplug most items when not in use. I've known for some time that
>many electrical items like TV, cable box, etc use electricity even
>when off, but while watching the show I started wondering if timers
>could help cut back on how much electricity those devices use.
>
>My thought is this weekend I'll pick-up a Kill-a-watt meter plus a GE
>7-day plug-in timer, both of which at home depot would be about $45.
>My thought is to gauge how much electricity the things in our
>entertainment center use per hour when not in use (HDTV, cable box,
>BluRay, AppleTV, and Wii) and if I can set the timer to only bring
>power to these devices say from 4:30pm to 11pm M-F then change the
>weekend schedule as needed, this would cut the usage by a large
>percentage. Then I could do the same for the cable modem/router and
>even the microwave in the house.
>
>Has anyone investigated doing something like this? They just
>installed a Smartmeter at our house, so hopefully soon we'll be able
>to see how much electricity our house uses in 15 minute intervals
>anytime.
>
>Thanks for any advice...
>
>Alex

Why not just do meter checks at various times of the day? Walking out to the
meter and making a pencil and paper record is cheaper.

For some real fun, turn everything off and check the meter for movement.
Amazing how many appliances have a 'ghost' draw. Not just the television, but
the washer/ dryer/ dishwasher can also have the 'ghost' draw.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 7:19 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"Vandy Terre" <vandy@tanglewood-destiny.com> wrote in message
news:68u656lj7k377ar4etql1boct77ntjqajm@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:35:33 -0700 (PDT), Alex <samalex@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Why not just do meter checks at various times of the day? Walking out to
> the
> meter and making a pencil and paper record is cheaper.
>
> For some real fun, turn everything off and check the meter for movement.
> Amazing how many appliances have a 'ghost' draw. Not just the television,
> but
> the washer/ dryer/ dishwasher can also have the 'ghost' draw.

Interesting observation and you raised something to consider: We just
bought 5 new appliances for delivery in September. The Washer, Dryer and
Dishwasher all have electronic controls and timers. No mechanical dials or
switches. Stoves have been like that for years. We got a gas stove but
the ignitors are electronic with leds. The self cleaning is electronically
locking with a push of a button.

Gotta wonder what the ghost draw on all this "efficient" appliance stuff.

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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 8:16 am
From: "Sure,Not"

On Jul 29, 11:08 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 29, 8:08 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <tripletask@gmail..com> wrote in message
>
> >news:tsr056hrg5nvo0bt5dq3s91jmlpi04u8t5@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:10:37 -0400, No Surren...@never.net wrote:
>
> > >>AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND
>
> > >>HEAD: What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
>
> > If they left California, our budget problems -- $10 Billion deficit -- would
> > be gone tomorrow. I have trouble understanding the down side of that.
>
> No it wouldn't. To fix the deficits in all states you'd have to
> convert all government workers' and teachers' defined pensions to
> 401K's. It's the pensions.

That is certainly a big part of it.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:14 am
From: "Jeff Strickland"

"edspyhill01" <edspyhill01@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:99802fba-c94b-4856-809e-01f7d901c0b8@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 29, 8:08 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> <tripletask@gmail..com> wrote in message
>
> news:tsr056hrg5nvo0bt5dq3s91jmlpi04u8t5@4ax.com...
>
> > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:10:37 -0400, No Surren...@never.net wrote:
>
> >>AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND
>
> >>HEAD: What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
>
> If they left California, our budget problems -- $10 Billion deficit --
> would
> be gone tomorrow. I have trouble understanding the down side of that.
>

No it wouldn't. To fix the deficits in all states you'd have to
convert all government workers' and teachers' defined pensions to
401K's. It's the pensions.

<JS>
That's only partly true. Actually, it's entirely true that the pensions need
to be fixed, but I'm not so sure about the 401(k)s. 401(k) need to be fixed
to protect the participant's interests, but they aren't part of the budget
problems in so much as they represent a burden for the state.

But Illegal Immigration costs California $10 BILLION per year. That's 10
with a shit load of zeros on the end. Illegal immigration is exactly HALF of
the budget deficit this year, and last year, and the year before, and in all
likelihood next year and the year after.

Illegal immigrants represent about 2% of the state population, yet they are
about 25% of the prison population. That's a problem. A very costly problem.
I don't mean to paint all illegals as criminals because clearly they are
not -- beyond the crime of being an illegal immigrant that is.

They come here and work hard, if they can find a job. I work in
construction, and it's difficult to keep pace with the Mexicans on the job,
but they draw low wages and sap public services as a result. And since they
are paid under the table, or off the books, or however you wish to
characterize it, they do not pay taxes on the income they get. They do pay
rent somewhere, and the landlord pays property tax on the property so there
is some tax revenue, but illegals do not directly pay taxes other than Sales
Tax when they purchase goods and services. But they use public health care
that cost far more than the sales tax revenues they generate. They have kids
in schools that cost far more than the property tax revenues that are
generated. The cost of illegals in the prison system is extraordinary, I
believe it costs about $70,000 per year per inmate. Illegal immigration is a
net-cost to the state, not a net-benefit.

</JS>

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 10:52 am
From: edspyhill01

On Jul 30, 12:14 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "edspyhill01" <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:99802fba-c94b-4856-809e-01f7d901c0b8@s9g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 29, 8:08 pm, "Jeff Strickland" <crwlrj...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <tripletask@gmail..com> wrote in message
>
> >news:tsr056hrg5nvo0bt5dq3s91jmlpi04u8t5@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:10:37 -0400, No Surren...@never.net wrote:
>
> > >>AN E-MAIL FROM A FRIEND
>
> > >>HEAD: What if 20 Million Illegal Aliens Vacated America?
>
> > If they left California, our budget problems -- $10 Billion deficit --
> > would
> > be gone tomorrow. I have trouble understanding the down side of that.
>
> No it wouldn't. To fix the deficits in all states you'd have to
> convert all government workers' and teachers' defined pensions to
> 401K's. It's the pensions.
>
> <JS>
> That's only partly true. Actually, it's entirely true that the pensions need
> to be fixed, but I'm not so sure about the 401(k)s. 401(k) need to be fixed
> to protect the participant's interests, but they aren't part of the budget
> problems in so much as they represent a burden for the state.
>
> But Illegal Immigration costs California $10 BILLION per year. That's 10
> with a shit load of zeros on the end. Illegal immigration is exactly HALF of
> the budget deficit this year, and last year, and the year before, and in all
> likelihood next year and the year after.
>
> Illegal immigrants represent about 2% of the state population, yet they are
> about 25% of the prison population. That's a problem. A very costly problem.
> I don't mean to paint all illegals as criminals because clearly they are
> not -- beyond the crime of being an illegal immigrant that is.
>
> They come here and work hard, if they can find a job. I work in
> construction, and it's difficult to keep pace with the Mexicans on the job,
> but they draw low wages and sap public services as a result. And since they
> are paid under the table, or off the books, or however you wish to
> characterize it, they do not pay taxes on the income they get. They do pay
> rent somewhere, and the landlord pays property tax on the property so there
> is some tax revenue, but illegals do not directly pay taxes other than Sales
> Tax when they purchase goods and services. But they use public health care
> that cost far more than the sales tax revenues they generate. They have kids
> in schools that cost far more than the property tax revenues that are
> generated. The cost of illegals in the prison system is extraordinary, I
> believe it costs about $70,000 per year per inmate. Illegal immigration is a
> net-cost to the state, not a net-benefit.
>
> </JS>

I think we have found common ground.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 10:13 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

(You may be wondering what Adam & Eve have to do with our disastrous
transportation system... Well, poor planning may account for the
events that led to Eve taking the bite)

This is a logical, rational, impassioned look at A&E...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHZsleyKons

Isn't it awesome? Adam "tries" but he's rejected by Eve who elopes
with the Serpent. What is Eve doing with the Serpent she couldn't do
with Adam?

We may never know but rumors abound.

--------------------------------------------------

THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"Never trust the serpent or politicians"

http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

http://webspawner.com/users/FARTFORPEACE (the "light" way to do
something)

== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 2:50 pm
From: Steve S

If your not using coupons than your paying to much. Learn how to use
online coupons and where to get them. Plus great tips to help you save
more money when you shop.http://www.sjsonline.net/how-to-use-coupons

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 5:37 pm
From: Patricia Martin Steward

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:50:31 -0700 (PDT), Steve S
<sjsindustries@aol.com> wrote:

>If your not using coupons than your paying to much.

So much ignorance, so little time.

--
No matter how hard you try to put ribbons on some
road apples, it is still a bunch of horse manure.
-comadrejo

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 3:39 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, Creator of the Movement of Tantra-
Hammock"

My sources in London (Yahoo News) tell me that such is the nature of
riding a bike in London. But things are relative and not black and
white, and probably riding a bike in Miami or NYC is far more
dangerous.

London though is launching 6,000 bikes and it may see some peace after
the initial mayhem. Is it really that bad? Here they kill you for
giving the finger. What it would be like to ride a bike in
Afghanistan? Or will it be more deadly to ride an SUV?

LONDON – Feel like living dangerously?

Riding a bike in London will soon be more convenient, though it's
unlikely to be any less scary. Riders already dodge the city's famed
black cabs and double-decker buses — to say nothing of other cyclists.

A bike rental program launched Friday by London's Mayor Boris Johnson
will add an additional 6,000 bikes to the capital's congested streets.
Under the initiative, cyclists will be able to rent bikes from 400
docking stations around town.

Johnson called it "a new dawn for the bicycle in the capital" — but
veterans of the London cycling scene are bracing for a new era of
transit mayhem.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100730/ap_on_re_eu/eu_biking_in_london

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THE WISE TIBETAN MONKEY SAYS

"The jungle is a very dangerous place to be for the unwise"

http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE

(the revolution starts with the turning of a wheel and the bipedal
monkey)

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 6:32 pm
From: Curt

On Jul 27, 12:23 am, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Jul 2010 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT), Curt <obadiahly...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 26, 1:20 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> >> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> >> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> >> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
> >> Gunner Asch
>
> >Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it
> >is true that most stupid people are conservative.
> >John Stuart Mill
>
> >Curt
>
> You do know that the terms "liberal/conservative" were reversed in the
> early 20th century, are you not?
>
> When Mills penned that...the Right Wing were considered "liberals"

Oh my heavens, no no no. You've been listening to the wrong radio
shows. Try reading a book or something -- you're just all goofered up.
What composes the current right wing is in no way anything like what
classical liberalism is all about. You've just been fibbed to, is all.
Probably not your fault -- you don't sound very discerning.

>
> Which indeed shows that Mills did have his ducks in a row, as shown by
> your postings.
>
> You "new Liberals" are well known to be both mentally ill, and pond
> scum.

Calling names is a sign you're losing an argument. I bet you call
names a lot.

BTW it's "Mill", not "Mills".

Curt

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:09 pm
From: John Savage

noel888 <harri85274@aol.com> writes:
>I was duped into joining Facebook by a hacker. It looked completely
>ligit. Now after losing $100 , the hacker's facebook site is gone. So
>that confirms to me that i have been hacked. I would like to remove my
>info and everything from Facebook, but there is no contact on how to
>do this on their site. Does anyone here know how i can get out if?
>Thanks

How does one "lose" $100 by joining Facebook? Did you pay $100 to join?
It's free, so I'm mystified how someone can lose money just by joining.
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 30 2010 9:10 pm
From: John Savage

> > On Jul 13, 10:22 pm, aesthete8 <art...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Most r.c.'s seem to switch to WARM after the rice gets cooked.
> >>
> >> I need one which shuts off.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?

>Is there something wrong with a pot on the stovetop?

Need the gas low to cook slowly using the absorption method. This means
the flame will sometimes go out (supply pressure fluctuates).
--
John Savage (my news address is not valid for email)

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