Wednesday, September 28, 2016

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BigDog811 <bigdog811@gmail.com>: Sep 28 05:21AM -0700

On Tuesday, September 27, 2016 at 8:34:28 PM UTC-4, Camellia Sinensis wrote:
> >When I signed up I opted out of their email and phone offers and haven't a
> >single email or phone call from them or any their registered >businesses.
 
> https://www.consumeraffairs.com/online/angies-list.html
 
Not a good source. Full of outright lies and complaints from stupid people who don't understand how business works.
 
Check the Federal Trade Commission, your state Attorney General's Office and the Better Business Office for reliable complaint history on Angie's List, or any other business,
"Camellia Sinensis" <csgreentea@charter.net>: Sep 28 12:56PM -0700


>Check the Federal Trade Commission, your state Attorney General's Office
>and the Better Business Office for reliable complaint history on Angie's
>List, or any other business,
 
Whatever. I thought the "stupid people" were the ones that needed help with
this kind of stuff. It isn't like this anything new. This is from 2014:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-angies-list-is-getting-a-rash-of-bad-reviews/
 
The last one had complaints only a a few days old. So I guess if you want
to take your chances with a less than stellar Angie's List--be my gues.
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Tuesday, September 27, 2016

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"Camellia Sinensis" <csgreentea@charter.net>: Sep 27 05:34PM -0700

>area. I've been a paid Angie's List member for a little over two years.
>When I signed up I opted out of their email and phone offers and haven't a
>single email or phone call from them or any their registered >businesses.
 
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/online/angies-list.html
Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com>: Sep 27 01:03PM -0700

On Sun, 25 Sep 2016 09:41:46 -0700, The Real Bev
 
>Yeah, I really hate that. You can keep the key in your pocket now, but
>you still have to push the goddam button to start the car. What's up
>with that?
 
I once rented a car with keyless ignition (a Buick). It also had power
windows and you had to actually start the engine to raise or lower the
windows. Fail.
 
Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin
burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk>: Sep 27 08:46AM -0400

On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 21:42:10 GMT
 
> 72% half true, mostly true and true:
> http://politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
 
> Trump can't tell the truth, even if he tries.
 
You must be very old.'
BTW what is B-M ???
burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk>: Sep 27 08:49AM -0400

On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 12:39:39 GMT
 
> Reading
> comprehension problems, do you have?
 
So do you think a trump supporter owns Bloomberg or even
a middle of the roader?
 
You must be very old.
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Monday, September 26, 2016

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Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Sep 26 12:09PM -0700

The only network promising to fact check both candidates statements.
 
http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/09/bloomberg-to-fact-check-debate-on-screen-228670
burfordTjustice <burfordTjustice@tues.uk>: Sep 26 04:16PM -0400

On Mon, 26 Sep 2016 12:09:32 -0700
 
> The only network promising to fact check both candidates statements.
 
> http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/09/bloomberg-to-fact-check-debate-on-screen-228670
 
LOL bloomberg
scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal): Sep 26 09:42PM


>> The only network promising to fact check both candidates statements.
 
>> http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/09/bloomberg-to-fact-check-debate-on-screen-228670
 
>LOL bloomberg
 
The truth sucks, doesn't it B-M shill.
 
71% mostly false, false and pants-on-fire-lie:
http://politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
 
72% half true, mostly true and true:
http://politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
 
Trump can't tell the truth, even if he tries.
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Sunday, September 25, 2016

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ggggg9271@gmail.com: Sep 25 02:05AM -0700

> > You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
> > when something closes the door from the inside.
 
> Some people have difficulty finding food enough for their children. Others suffer indiscriminate bombings. In America we have trouble with ballpoint pens that don't write for a second or two.
 
The THINGS Americans complain about.
 
Well, now you know....................Life is.............TOUGH.
 
Don't I feel just sooooooooooooooo sorry for YOU.
ggggg9271@gmail.com: Sep 25 02:08AM -0700


> The THINGS Americans complain about.
 
> Well, now you know....................Life is.............TOUGH.
 
> Don't I feel just sooooooooooooooo sorry for YOU.
 
The THINGS you have to go through.
hchickpea@hotmail.com: Sep 25 09:40AM -0500

On Wed, 21 Sep 2016 13:05:18 -0700 (PDT), ItsJoan NotJoann
>when I'm ready to use it is grab a piece of scrap paper. I draw
>lots and lots of circles on the paper until the ink begins to flow
>smoothly.
 
 
I guess this generation just isn't smart enough to understand that the pen tips
are dipped in a sealing substance to keep the ink from drying out on the store
shelves.
 
My guess is that there will soon be complaints that on some cars you still have
to turn a key to make the engine work.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Sep 25 09:41AM -0700


> I guess this generation just isn't smart enough to understand that the pen tips
> are dipped in a sealing substance to keep the ink from drying out on the store
> shelves.
 
Kids these days...
 
My gripe is the ones that are genuinely frozen solid. I could scrape
them across paper for a couple of minutes with no result -- unless
they're really putting down lemon juice for secret writing. I didn't
think about that until just now...
 
> My guess is that there will soon be complaints that on some cars you still have
> to turn a key to make the engine work.
 
Yeah, I really hate that. You can keep the key in your pocket now, but
you still have to push the goddam button to start the car. What's up
with that?
 
--
Cheers, Bev
Eat this, NSA: bomb assassinate Washington North Korea Iraq spy poison
ISIS AlQaeda Bush Clinton Pelosi Reid Obama
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Sep 25 01:50PM -0400

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Saturday, September 24, 2016

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RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com>: Sep 24 04:56AM +0100

On 22/09/2016 17:32, KenK wrote:
> drain service and am getting cautious about choosing various businesses. I
> Googled but couldn't find reviews of the carpet dealers I am considering.
> Maybe I should sign up for this Angie's List review list?
 
I recently had new carpets fitted, and cut the cost considerably (40%)
by fitting my own underlay. This was using a national warehouse-type
retailer - seems their models are based on a huge underlay mark-up.
Independents were more expensive.
 
A friend made similar savings by employing a local carpet fitter, who
was able to source underlay and carpet at competitive prices.
 
FWIW - this is the UK, where carpets seem to be going out of fashion to
laminates and engineered wood. That'd be IKEA for you.
 
--
Cheers, Rob
wilma6116@gmail.com: Sep 24 08:52AM -0700

On Friday, September 23, 2016 at 8:56:26 PM UTC-7, RJH wrote:
 
 
> FWIW - this is the UK, where carpets seem to be going out of fashion to
> laminates and engineered wood. That'd be IKEA for you.
 
> --
 
I just finished taking out the carpet and putting in laminate in the last room. Way easier to clean. The laminate I laid in the first room is as shiny and clean as the newest room. This stuff is suppose to last thirty years, but as little traffic as they get, they'll last until the next century. And the stuff is cheap enough that I could see changing it out because I'm tired of one color and want another.
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Sep 24 10:39AM -0700

>> laminates and engineered wood. That'd be IKEA for you.
 
>> --
 
> I just finished taking out the carpet and putting in laminate in the last room. Way easier to clean. The laminate I laid in the first room is as shiny and clean as the newest room. This stuff is suppose to last thirty years, but as little traffic as they get, they'll last until the next century. And the stuff is cheap enough that I could see changing it out because I'm tired of one color and want another.
 
Just watch out for water spills on that laminate. A friend had one on
his that didn't get completely cleaned up immediately, and the stuff
warped horribly.
wilma6116@gmail.com: Sep 24 01:12PM -0700

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 10:41:20 AM UTC-7, Bob F wrote:
 
> Just watch out for water spills on that laminate. A friend had one on
> his that didn't get completely cleaned up immediately, and the stuff
> warped horribly.
 
I put it in the bathroom and kitchen. Ten years ago. Still no problem.
Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com>: Sep 24 03:33PM -0700

>> his that didn't get completely cleaned up immediately, and the stuff
>> warped horribly.
 
> I put it in the bathroom and kitchen. Ten years ago. Still no problem.
 
Must have been a much better product than the one my friend had.
wilma6116@gmail.com: Sep 24 05:06PM -0700

On Saturday, September 24, 2016 at 3:35:01 PM UTC-7, Bob F wrote:
> >> warped horribly.
 
> > I put it in the bathroom and kitchen. Ten years ago. Still no problem.
 
> Must have been a much better product than the one my friend had.
 
I have used the cheap stuff, the middle of the road stuff and the most expensive. If you're doing it yourself, get the expensive, it just fits better.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Sep 24 11:52AM -0700

On 09/23/2016 10:01 AM, Michael Black wrote:
 
> I have a Sharpie pen in a metal case. That was a splurge, but its rather
> nice. But I had previously bought the Sharpie marker in a metal case, and
> that seems to have disappeared, so the refills are now way too expensive.
 
The Mont Blanc fountain pen clones from China are really nice. I wish I
needed to use a pen more often than I do -- I played with it for a while
and then drained it so the ink wouldn't dry up in the nib or do whatever
else the ink does. It turns out that it's not easy to find fountain pen
ink any more, and it's not cheap. We bought washable blue, which is
kind of faded-looking, but the last thing I want to do is spill
permanent ink.
 
The fat one has a screw cap; the thinner one's cap snaps on, and the
snap mechanism was stronger than the mechanism that held part of the pen
together, but a little super glue fixed that.
 
It's nice to use a fountain pen again, but not worth the trouble.
 
 
--
Cheers, Bev
Todd Flanders' hobbies include being quiet on long rides,
clapping to songs and diabetes.
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Friday, September 23, 2016

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BigDog811 <bigdog811@gmail.com>: Sep 23 07:50AM -0700

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 12:32:25 PM UTC-4, KenK wrote:
 
> --
> You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
> when something closes the door from the inside.
 
Carpet dealers are generally local, or at best regional, so you should be asking for recommendations from people who live near you.
 
Best to go with a carpet dealer rather than a big box multi-trade store. Carpet is carpet, and the brand you choose will be the same from one store to the other. There might be a slight difference in price, but if it's too great the guy with the low ball price is probably selling you a different carpet than you think you're buying. Also, the dedicated dealers generally employ their own installers. The big box stores subcontract the installation to the next guy up on their list; who may or may not be competent and may or may not ever work for them again. The local carpet dealer is going to be much more responsive to a problem because their business is more dependent on satisfied customers than the big box national stores.
 
Angie's List is a good starting point. At least with them you know it's a legitimate business with all the locally required licenses, permits and insurance, not some fly by night hack who's using your deposit money to pay off his last job rather than buying your material. I've used them twice in the past 18 months to find contractors to build a deck, and replace the counter tops in our kitchen. Couldn't be happier.
BigDog811 <bigdog811@gmail.com>: Sep 23 06:26PM -0700

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:40:04 PM UTC-4, Camellia Sinensis wrote:
> >when something closes the door from the inside.
 
> Angie's List has turned into a scam itself. There are complaints of
> horrible spamming and problems with referrals.
 
Where can I find those complaints? I've not heard of any such issues in my area. I've been a paid Angie's List member for a little over two years. When I signed up I opted out of their email and phone offers and haven't a single email or phone call from them or any their registered businesses.
 
> Going with the big box stores like Lowes and Home Depot is a pretty safe bet
 
Sometimes, but not always. All of their installers are subcontractors, not employees so it's kind of catch as catch can in that area.
 
>--most of the smaller mom and pop type stores are too expensive.
 
It depends. We recently had quartz counter-tops installed in our kitchen. The original estimate from Home Depot was just under $3K, but by the time they added on "extras" like tear out and removal of the old counters and the plumbing the price jumped another $800.00. Plus it was going to take 10-14 days, start to finish. That's a long time to be without a functioning kitchen.
 
We went with a kitchen design firm we found through Angie's List. Not only was the total price lower ($3450.00 all inclusive) for exactly the same quartz, but the job was done in five days. So...I guess you get what you pay for. Sometimes you get more.
The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Sep 22 09:50PM -0700

>> transparent Bics I usually buy. When you start writing with one it
>> almost always doesn't start producing ink on the paper until the
>> first word or two has been written. Very annoying.
 
I used to think that the cheap old PaperMates would last forever. They
don't, but I've got some Uniball and Pentel gel pens from 1995 that are
still working and feel really good. Current favorite is a (modern) BIC
VelocityGel which I stole from somebody.
 
> Some people have difficulty finding food enough for their children.
> Others suffer indiscriminate bombings. In America we have trouble
> with ballpoint pens that don't write for a second or two.
 
How nice that your only concerns are bombing and famine. I might ask
what you're doing here...
 
--
Cheers, Bev
Don't you just KNOW that there is more than one
Sierra Club member who is absolutely sure that the
dinosaurs died out because of something humans did?
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Thursday, September 22, 2016

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KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Sep 22 04:32PM

I'm trying to choose a good carpet dealer. I recently got badly burned by a
drain service and am getting cautious about choosing various businesses. I
Googled but couldn't find reviews of the carpet dealers I am considering.
Maybe I should sign up for this Angie's List review list?
 
TIA
 
 
--
You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.
wilma6116@gmail.com: Sep 22 11:34AM -0700

On Thursday, September 22, 2016 at 9:32:25 AM UTC-7, KenK wrote:
 
> --
> You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
> when something closes the door from the inside.
 
I found dozens on Yelp in my town.
 
Lowes and Home Depot have provided good service in the past, both are nationwide, not likely to close their door after I put down a down-payment.
"Camellia Sinensis" <csgreentea@charter.net>: Sep 22 06:40PM -0700


>--
>You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
>when something closes the door from the inside.
 
Angie's List has turned into a scam itself. There are complaints of
horrible spamming and problems with referrals. Going with the big box
stores like Lowes and Home Depot is a pretty safe bet--most of the smaller
mom and pop type stores are too expensive.
wilma6116@gmail.com: Sep 22 11:37AM -0700

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:27:52 AM UTC-7, KenK wrote:
 
> --
> You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
> when something closes the door from the inside.
 
Some people have difficulty finding food enough for their children. Others suffer indiscriminate bombings. In America we have trouble with ballpoint pens that don't write for a second or two.
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Wednesday, September 21, 2016

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KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Sep 21 04:27PM

If you're buying ball point pens watch out for the dark bright blue Paper
Mates. I bought a package of them when I couldn't find the transparent Bics
I usually buy. When you start writing with one it almost always doesn't
start producing ink on the paper until the first word or two has been
written. Very annoying.
 
--
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ItsJoan NotJoann <itsjoannotjoann@webtv.net>: Sep 21 01:05PM -0700

On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 11:27:52 AM UTC-5, KenK wrote:
> I usually buy. When you start writing with one it almost always doesn't
> start producing ink on the paper until the first word or two has been
> written. Very annoying.
 
ANY new ink pen I buy or receive as a gift the first thing I do
when I'm ready to use it is grab a piece of scrap paper. I draw
lots and lots of circles on the paper until the ink begins to flow
smoothly.
John Weiss <jrweiss98155@comcast.net>: Sep 21 04:31PM -0700

On 9/21/2016 09:27, KenK wrote:
> I usually buy. When you start writing with one it almost always doesn't
> start producing ink on the paper until the first word or two has been
> written. Very annoying.
 
I've found the Zebra pens to be reliable.
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Saturday, September 17, 2016

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KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Sep 17 06:07PM

Anyone have local source for missing or broken spray can buttons? Dollar
store? Walmart? Somewhere else?
 
I try to remember to save the button when I discard an empty can but always
forget. I currently have several cans that need buttons. Switching them
around from working cans too often results in another broken button.
 
TIA
 
 
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Monday, September 12, 2016

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ggggg9271@gmail.com: Sep 11 05:52PM -0700

> Any recommendations?
 
> Thank you in advance.
 
Have you ever tried any of these?:
 
http://citizensofbeauty.com/hair/5-best-dry-shampoos/
wilma6116@gmail.com: Sep 11 10:55PM -0700


> > Thank you in advance.
 
> Have you ever tried any of these?:
 
> http://citizensofbeauty.com/hair/5-best-dry-shampoos/
 
My hair is happiest when it's blown dry... That's what he said.
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Saturday, September 10, 2016

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ggggg9271@gmail.com: Sep 10 03:21PM -0700

Any recommendations?
 
Thank you in advance.
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Monday, September 5, 2016

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KenK <invalid@invalid.com>: Sep 05 05:11PM

Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote in
>>>> trust, to always be right. I got one with an analog face and a
>>>> little digital readout box. I still really like looking at a
>>>> clockface, not a digital readout.
 
I got a watch at Walmart last Saturday. A Casio. Found one at $20 with a
ten year battery but that's the best I could do. No solar cells. No
automatic time set. I'll just have to set it myself, which in my
experience is very rarely. The battery will probably outlast me. It's a
digital and includes a stopwatch and dual time zone displays, neither of
which I'll likely ever use.
 
 
 
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Sunday, September 4, 2016

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hchickpea@hotmail.com: Sep 04 12:19PM -0500


>but the articles kept telling us the "discerning" man needed an expensive
>watch.
 
That is yet another example of the media and advertisers either not
understanding the meaning of words or twisting them to their own purposes.
 
I'm probably one of the most "discerning" individuals you would ever meet. I
"discerned" as a child that I didn't need to wear a watch.
 
Moreover, there is a subtle psychological entrainment that submitting to wearing
a watch encourages. The importance of measured time is a side effect of the
culture of "class" and the subservience of the worker class.
 
The chime of church bells or calls to prayer at matins and other natural times
of the day were subverted into the chimes and clocks located in positions of
power, such as courthouses and town halls, built at some expense to tell workers
when to start and stop work, so as to give their "betters" a full day of labor.
 
The transfer of power from that to a pocket watch inferred that the owner of the
pocket watch was a representative of the power of the upper class. Hence, the
train conductor image, or the foppery that included special watch pockets and
fobs as further indication of power and wealth.
 
When the mass produced and more crude wristwatch was introduced, the band around
the wrist -in effect a handcuff - indicated subserviance and the open
willingness of the wearer to comply with time - but with the slightly daring
attitude - "Don't try to manipulate the time on your pocket watch to cheat me."
 
To me, the people who wear the ostentatious Rolexes or other watches are
declaring their allegience to nouveu riche fetishes and a culture that has no
clue that it is making a statement of voluntary enslavement.
 
When I was a teen, I wore a pocket watch, along with my keys to the state
hospital locked wards. The only time I have ever worn a wristwatch was when a
child's cheap mickey mouse watch was given in swag at a movie convention, and I
found the juxtaposition of cheap, small, "mickey mouse", and the idea of
subservience to that just too amusing to pass up for a couple of weeks. Nobody
understood, but I'm used to that.
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Saturday, September 3, 2016

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The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>: Sep 02 11:46PM -0700

On 09/02/2016 03:55 PM, Michael Black wrote:
>> trust, to always be right. I got one with an analog face and a little
>> digital readout box. I still really like looking at a clockface, not a
>> digital readout.
 
I thought like that too until I actually got a digital watch :-)
 
>> $49.99 range. For a watch that is waterproof, needs no batteries and is
>> accurate, I don't know how you could do any better than that.
 
>> <http://www.casio-usa.com/products/Watches/wave_ceptor/>
 
The ones we bought have three tiny round dials above the time-number.
Absolutely useless unless you're a -5 myope, and even then 2/3 of the
info is useless.
 
> so I think that price sounds decent.
 
> I've been tempted to get one of the analog watches, but watches have now
> become status symbols.
 
I once saw a digital watch that would switch to look like analog if
that's what you want. Can't remember the brand.
 
 
--
Cheers, Bev
You need only three tools: WD-40, duct tape and a hammer. If it doesn't
move and it should, use WD-40. If it moves and shouldn't, use duct tape.
If you can't fix it with a hammer you've got an electrical problem.
John Weiss <jrweiss98155@comcast.net>: Sep 03 01:26PM -0700

On 9/2/2016 15:55, Michael Black wrote:
 
> expensive, so I think that price sounds decent.
 
> I've been tempted to get one of the analog watches, but watches have now
> become status symbols.
 
I'm on my second Citizen "Eco Drive" solar watch. The first one lasted
about 15 years before the battery wouldn't take a charge any more, and I
decided not to invest more $$ in it. The local shops wouldn't touch it,
so I would have had to send it back to the factory repair center.
 
Instead I spent about $100 more than a new battery for a new Eco Drive
with an analog face. It was the only titanium model that I liked. A
steel cased version would have been much cheaper, but I like the [lack
of] weight of the titanium.
Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>: Sep 03 05:30PM -0400

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