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* A/C working properly? Cost -> lower temp? - 2 messages, 1 author
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* Vitamin C useless in combatting colds - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: A/C working properly? Cost -> lower temp?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6c37471a9403c0a2?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 9:25 pm
From:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote in
message news:L17oi.63$Q81.9@newsfe12.lga...
> till then let it be.
Is that what you do when you're approached by a snake oil salesman?
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 9:26 pm
From:
"Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote in
message news:1%6oi.61$Q81.9@newsfe12.lga...
> kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> > "Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com> wrote
in
> > message news:kA6oi.43$Q81.28@newsfe12.lga...
> >> kjpro @ usenet.com wrote:
> >>> "Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com>
wrote
> > in
> >>> message news:TF5oi.31$lj7.14@newsfe12.lga...
> >>>> B-Hate-Me wrote:
> >>>>> "Home Enviro Health Specialists" <sales@uvclightpurification.com>
> > wrote
> >>> in
> >>>>> message news:Iy3oi.10$Q81.7@newsfe12.lga...
> >>>>>>> It appears that you are profoundly stupid.
> >>>>>> I was typing a lot and I am not a typist, nor am I looking for
> > perfect
> >>>>>> grammar. Takes a person like yourself to find fault in other
people.
> >>> One
> >>>>>> would question the person you are or how smart you are. Instead of
> >>>>>> speaking about the topic and not my grammar.
> >>>>> What topic? UV lights? In the words of Buffy, "Puh-lease".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I am making a presentation, which is essentially what you are
doing
> >>> here,
> >>>>> I check and re-check my spelling, punctuation and grammar. Guess
why?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> I didn't know I was making a presentation. It's conversation.
> >>>
> >>> Bullshit... you're looking for sales!
> >>>
> >>>
> >> To who you? Or others that don't know about it? Nah slick I just want
> >> to be sure that the public has valid, supported, professionals show the
> >> benefits of UV-C technology and not allow narrow minded uneducated
> >> people like you have the public exposed to unqualified techs. like you
> >> to explain UV-C technology.
> >
> >
> > Bullshit.. where's your proof that your product extends the life of HVAC
> > systems... LOL
> >
> >
> read above
No, that's just more bullshit...
I want the facts...
What's that, you have none?
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TOPIC: Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/498d68c0ba1d2e0f?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 10:19 pm
From: Ben Kaufman
On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 14:13:27 +1000, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Geoff <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>
>>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> waste of time and money, say researchers. A review of 30
>>>>>>>>>>>> studies involving more than 11,000 people found that taking
>>>>>>>>>>>> the tablets had no effect on the average person.
>
>>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>
>>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>
>>>>>>>> That one is somewhat effective.
>
>>>>>>> Nope.
>
>>>>>>>> They did controlled tests.
>
>>>>>>> Nope.
>
>>>>>> According to my box of Cold-Eeze it says,
>
>>>>>> "shown to be effective in reducing the severity of symptoms by 42%
>>>>>> and duration by 3 to 4 days in two double blind placebo controlled
>>>>>> clinical studies. Cleveland Clinic Mossad et al., Annals of Internal
>>>>>> Medicien, Vol. 125, No 2 July 15, 1996 and Dartmouth College Godfrey
>>>>>> et al., Journal of International Medical Research, Vol. 20 No 3, June 1992.
>
>>>>> Pity about the other ones that showed no effect.
>
>>>>>> http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/125/2/81
>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=1397668&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum
>
>>>>> Pity that says the exact opposite of what you claim on the question
>>>>> of PREVENTING colds, what was being discussed in the Vitamin C
>>>>> study. It had absolutely NO effect on PREVENTING colds at all.
>
>>>>>> And this one reports mixed results.
>
>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=9475824&ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus
>
>>>>> Same problem, that isnt even discussing what was being discussed, PREVENTING colds.
>
>>>> Wrong.
>
>>> Nope.
>
>>>> Read the last sentence of the original message
>>>> ".... had NO EFFECT on the average person."
>
>>> Pity about the first sentence which clearly says
>>> "Taking vitamin C supplements TO PREVENT a cold
>>> is a waste of time and money, say researchers."
>
>>>> No effect means it would not reducing symptoms and duration either.
>
>>> Wrong when the first sentence which clearly says
>>> "Taking vitamin C supplements TO PREVENT a cold
>>> is a waste of time and money, say researchers"
>
>>> Its clearly talking about no effect on PREVENTING
>>> a cold, not on the symptoms after you get one.
>
>>>> And before you try to say that is the wrong interpretation,
>
>>> Your clearly is just that.
>
>>>> read the article "...For most people, the benefit of taking
>>>> vitamin C supplements is so slight when it comes to colds
>>>> that it is not worth the effort or expense, the authors say. ..."
>
>>> Different matter entirely to PREVENTING a cold.
>
>>> That study you cited actually says very unambiguously
>>> that zinc does NOTHING to PREVENT a cold.
>
>> That's correct, as I said, zinc is somewhat effective against colds..
>
>Pity what was clearly being discussed was PREVENTION of colds.
>
>You made a VERY spectacular fool of yourself indeed when you couldnt even
>manage to read and comprehend what is a VERY simple first sentence in the quote.
>
No, it's pretty clear you have very poor reading comprehension and an inability
to communicate in a constructive manner.
Ben
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jul 20 2007 10:30 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Ben Kaufman <spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Geoff <gebobs@yahoo.nospam.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Mark K. Bilbo wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Gray wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Wilson <wilson@universal.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/18/nvit118.xml
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vitamin C useless in combatting colds
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a.. Taking vitamin C supplements to prevent a cold is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> waste of time and money, say researchers. A review of 30
>>>>>>>>>>>>> studies involving more than 11,000 people found that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taking the tablets had no effect on the average person.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But Echinacia seems to be beneficial...
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, that one was debunked some time ago...
>>>>>>>>>> What about those zinc tabs like Cold-Eze?
>>>>>>>>> That one is somewhat effective.
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>>>> They did controlled tests.
>>>>>>>> Nope.
>>>>>>> According to my box of Cold-Eeze it says,
>>>>>>> "shown to be effective in reducing the severity of symptoms by 42%
>>>>>>> and duration by 3 to 4 days in two double blind placebo
>>>>>>> controlled clinical studies. Cleveland Clinic Mossad et al.,
>>>>>>> Annals of Internal Medicien, Vol. 125, No 2 July 15, 1996 and
>>>>>>> Dartmouth College Godfrey
>>>>>>> et al., Journal of International Medical Research, Vol. 20 No
>>>>>>> 3, June 1992.
>>>>>> Pity about the other ones that showed no effect.
>>>>>>> http://www.annals.org/cgi/content/full/125/2/81
>>>>>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?db=pubmed&cmd=Retrieve&dopt=AbstractPlus&list_uids=1397668&query_hl=3&itool=pubmed_docsum
>>>>>> Pity that says the exact opposite of what you claim on the question
>>>>>> of PREVENTING colds, what was being discussed in the Vitamin C
>>>>>> study. It had absolutely NO effect on PREVENTING colds at all.
>>>>>>> And this one reports mixed results.
>>>>>> Same problem, that isnt even discussing what was being
>>>>>> discussed, PREVENTING colds.
>>>>> Wrong.
>>>> Nope.
>>>>> Read the last sentence of the original message
>>>>> ".... had NO EFFECT on the average person."
>>>> Pity about the first sentence which clearly says
>>>> "Taking vitamin C supplements TO PREVENT a cold
>>>> is a waste of time and money, say researchers."
>>>>> No effect means it would not reducing symptoms and duration either.
>>>> Wrong when the first sentence which clearly says
>>>> "Taking vitamin C supplements TO PREVENT a cold
>>>> is a waste of time and money, say researchers"
>>>> Its clearly talking about no effect on PREVENTING
>>>> a cold, not on the symptoms after you get one.
>>>>> And before you try to say that is the wrong interpretation,
>>>> Your clearly is just that.
>>>>> read the article "...For most people, the benefit of taking
>>>>> vitamin C supplements is so slight when it comes to colds
>>>>> that it is not worth the effort or expense, the authors say. ..."
>>>> Different matter entirely to PREVENTING a cold.
>>>> That study you cited actually says very unambiguously
>>>> that zinc does NOTHING to PREVENT a cold.
>>> That's correct, as I said, zinc is somewhat effective against colds..
>> Pity what was clearly being discussed was PREVENTION of colds.
>> You made a VERY spectacular fool of yourself indeed when you couldnt
>> even manage to read and comprehend what is a VERY simple first
>> sentence in the quote.
> No,
Yep.
> it's pretty clear you have very poor reading comprehension
Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
> and an inability to communicate in a constructive manner.
Never ever could bullshit and lie its way out of a wet paper bag.
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