Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 8 topics

Monday, August 6, 2007

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TOPIC: The Made in China Bogeyman
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6b5476492d573449?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 5:42 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:58:52 -0400, Ward Abbott <presby@terian.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:37:58 +0530, "Pss" <pss@ssp.com> wrote:
>
>>If cows & chickens can be sold for food, why can't cats & dogs
>>be???
>
>
>possums, skunks, armadillo?

Shhhh. Don't even suggest it. Chinese will demand this as an exotic
food and there goes your ecosystem.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 5:58 pm
From: clams casino

PaPaPeng wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Aug 2007 16:58:52 -0400, Ward Abbott <presby@terian.com>
>wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Mon, 6 Aug 2007 23:37:58 +0530, "Pss" <pss@ssp.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>If cows & chickens can be sold for food, why can't cats & dogs
>>>be???
>>>
>>>
>>possums, skunks, armadillo?
>>
>>
>
>
>Shhhh. Don't even suggest it. Chinese will demand this as an exotic
>food and there goes your ecosystem.
>
>
umm - Chinese buffets..................

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TOPIC: The Anti-Tax guys won -- round 2
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b15b2290838aeb55?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 5:46 pm
From: The Real Bev

Rod Speed wrote:

> clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote
>> The Real Bev wrote
>>> Dennis wrote
>
>>>> But I wouldn't mind seeing the income tax replaced by a national sales tax/VAT.
>
>>> For garage sales too? Theory has it that they're supposed to charge
>>> (and remit) sales tax (8.5% here), but only the professional sellers
>>> actually do it.
>
>> Which is why the IRS would have to triple in size if the US went to a
>> national sales or Vat tax.
>
> Nope, most countrys dont tax garage sales when they have a national sales or GST/VAT.

It's a state and city tax, not national. We could get screwed BOTH ways.

--
Cheers,
Bev
=====================================================
It's 95% of the lawyers making the other 5% look bad.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 5:49 pm
From: The Real Bev

Binyamin Dissen wrote:

> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> :>Dennis wrote:
>
> :>> But I wouldn't mind seeing the income tax replaced by a national sales
> :>> tax/VAT.
>
> :>For garage sales too? Theory has it that they're supposed to charge (and
> :>remit) sales tax (8.5% here), but only the professional sellers actually do it.
>
> Even when they already paid sales tax when purchasing the product?

Yes. It's a tax on the sales transaction, not the product. No matter how
many times it's resold, the sales tax is supposed to be paid. If the seller
doesn't charge (and remit) the tax, the buyer is supposed to do it.

Yeah, right.

--
Cheers, Bev
ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z'
is given by pi*z*z*a

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 6:16 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>
>> clams casino <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote
>>> The Real Bev wrote
>>>> Dennis wrote
>>
>>>>> But I wouldn't mind seeing the income tax replaced by a national
>>>>> sales tax/VAT.
>>
>>>> For garage sales too? Theory has it that they're supposed to
>>>> charge (and remit) sales tax (8.5% here), but only the
>>>> professional sellers actually do it.
>>
>>> Which is why the IRS would have to triple in size if the US went to
>>> a national sales or Vat tax.
>>
>> Nope, most countrys dont tax garage sales when they have a national
>> sales or GST/VAT.

> It's a state and city tax, not national.

What was being discussed was a national tax.

> We could get screwed BOTH ways.

You already are with income tax.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 6:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Binyamin Dissen wrote:
>
>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Dennis wrote:
>>
>>>>> But I wouldn't mind seeing the income tax replaced by a national
>>>>> sales tax/VAT.
>>
>>>> For garage sales too? Theory has it that they're supposed to
>>>> charge (and remit) sales tax (8.5% here), but only the
>>>> professional sellers actually do it.
>>
>> Even when they already paid sales tax when purchasing the product?
>
> Yes. It's a tax on the sales transaction, not the product.

Not always.

> No matter how many times it's resold, the sales tax is supposed to be paid.

Not always. Many states except second hand goods
and transactions that arent commercial transactions.

> If the seller doesn't charge (and remit) the tax, the buyer is supposed to do it.

Bet there are some exemptions.

> Yeah, right.

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 7:27 pm
From: The Real Bev

Rod Speed wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Binyamin Dissen wrote:
>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dennis wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> But I wouldn't mind seeing the income tax replaced by a
>>>>>> national sales tax/VAT.
>>>
>>>>> For garage sales too? Theory has it that they're supposed to
>>>>> charge (and remit) sales tax (8.5% here), but only the
>>>>> professional sellers actually do it.
>>>
>>> Even when they already paid sales tax when purchasing the product?
>>
>> Yes. It's a tax on the sales transaction, not the product.
>
> Not always.

If they call it a "sales tax" then yeah, it is. Not all sales require sales
tax, though; the sale of services is NOT taxed, so housecleaning and
prostitution carry no sales tax.

>> No matter how many times it's resold, the sales tax is supposed to be
>> paid.
>
> Not always. Many states except second hand goods and transactions that
> arent commercial transactions.
>
>> If the seller doesn't charge (and remit) the tax, the buyer is supposed
>> to do it.
>
> Bet there are some exemptions.

"Here" means Pasadena, California. YMMV. You used to be able to avoid
sales tax by mail-ordering stuff from out of state. If, however, a business
has a location in the state of California then they have to charge the
proper sales tax even if you're buying from the Nashville TN location.

>> Yeah, right.

--
Cheers,
Bev
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"People are too stupid to realize they are."
--JoHn DoH KeLm

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 8:23 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Binyamin Dissen wrote:
>>>> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Dennis wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> But I wouldn't mind seeing the income tax replaced by a
>>>>>>> national sales tax/VAT.
>>>>
>>>>>> For garage sales too? Theory has it that they're supposed to
>>>>>> charge (and remit) sales tax (8.5% here), but only the
>>>>>> professional sellers actually do it.
>>>>
>>>> Even when they already paid sales tax when purchasing the product?
>>>
>>> Yes. It's a tax on the sales transaction, not the product.
>>
>> Not always.

> If they call it a "sales tax" then yeah, it is.

Nope, plenty of sales taxes only apply to retail
transactions, not other stuff like garage sales.

We had national sales taxes before we changed to a
GST and garage sales did not have sales taxes payable
and the GST isnt payable on those even now.

> Not all sales require sales tax, though;

Yep, including garage sales in many places that have sales taxes.

> the sale of services is NOT taxed, so housecleaning and prostitution carry no sales tax.

There's plenty of taxes on the sale of services.

>>> No matter how many times it's resold, the sales tax is supposed to be paid.

>> Not always. Many states except second hand goods and transactions that arent commercial
>> transactions.

>>> If the seller doesn't charge (and remit) the tax, the buyer is supposed to do it.

>> Bet there are some exemptions.

> "Here" means Pasadena, California.

Bet there are some exemptions there too.

> YMMV. You used to be able to avoid sales tax by mail-ordering stuff from out of state. If,
> however, a business has a location in the state of California then they have to charge the proper
> sales tax even if you're buying from the Nashville TN location.

Irrelevant to whether many jurisdictions have sales taxes payable on garage sales.

>>> Yeah, right.

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TOPIC: Photo scanning service? - Follow up
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9f598948386130fc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 6:10 pm
From: The Real Bev

me@privacy.net wrote:

> What brand/model all in one scanner/printer would you
> advise? Any god all in ones with a god scanner
> portion?

I'm happy with my Canon Canoscan 8400F which I've had since June 2005.
<http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=120&modelid=10242>

Does prints, 35mm and 2.25 slides and negatives, and can work as a slow
copier. Lowest price I saw was $140+shipping etc., but I didn't look very
hard. I wasn't interested in normal printing or faxing, but it's fine for
scanning.

--
Cheers, Bev
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The volume of a pizza of thickness 'a' and radius 'z'
is given by pi*z*z*a

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TOPIC: Food Fraud: Not China this time
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/245ac529c9e4870a?hl=en
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 6:14 pm
From: "dfr"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On 06 Aug 2007 22:52:32 +0200, Peter Bruells <pb@ecce-terram.de>
> wrote:
>
>> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> Fair enough. Everything is happening at lighting speed in China.
>>> Things like formal and scientific methods for industrial process
>>> food production have to be accomplished in a very compressed time.
>>> Problems and oversights will inevitably happen and will be
>>> immediately addressed and the solution found. There are no complex
>>> technologies involved or have to be invented. Safe products are as
>>> important to domestic consumers as they are to export customers.
>>> Furthermore there is no profit in running a sub-standard production
>>> line for domestic consumption.
>>
>
>
> Until very recently there was no such thing as factory produced
> national branded foods and goods and people pretty much have to rely
> on their smarts on what they buy. Brand names don't mean heck of a
> lot today either and people still haven't lost their smarts. You'll
> get the consumer injury cases whether they are unclean peasant made
> stuff or the factory made stuff. But somehow the severity of the
> damage in China is never the extent you get in the States.

Only because the public health systems are so primitive there.

> Do Chinese have better smarts and iron constitutions
> as compared to delicate Westerners? Probably.

Nope, they died like flys before the west eliminated smallpox.

>> In China, there is. Because a large number of customers will not know
>> better. And if there's an accident: We are talking about a country
>> where people who lose an arm in factory accident get the equivalent
>> of 150 Euro (170 USD) and a pink slip.

> Given the direction this thread is going we might as well attribute
> the factory with grinding that arm into the mix too. After all
> protein is protein and Soylent Green is a western delicacy.

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 6:10 pm
From: "dfr"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:43:27 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
>
>> But the mindset is completely different, most obviously with
>> the use of human shit on vegetables for human consumption,
>> something that just doesnt happen in the first world anymore.

> It will take too much effort to go into the whole economic history
> of Chinese agriculture. Here something for you to chew on.

Nope.

> On 7 per cent of the world's agricultural land China supports
> 20 per cent of the world's population. This is possible only
> because the Chinese have evolved methods (in its over 5000
> year history) to farm the land to provide maximum output yet
> without ruining the land. That is quite an accomplishment.

Nope, the first world has done much better than that food production wise.

AND managed to leave the chinese for dead with modern medicine too.

> By the way you won't ever come across Chinese fresh grown
> veggies in your grocery stores or canned ones either.

But you may well get stuck with them if you visit china.

> Don't worry your pretty little head what stuff trhe Chinese eat in
> their homes any more they worry about what you eat in yours.

No one cares what they eat themselves except when they
insist on raping the world's eco systems for exotic food.

The first world worked out LONG ago the down side of using
untreated human shit when growing food for human consumption.

And its no coincidence that SARS etc came out of china either.

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 6:19 pm
From: "dfr"

dfr <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:43:27 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But the mindset is completely different, most obviously with
>>> the use of human shit on vegetables for human consumption,
>>> something that just doesnt happen in the first world anymore.
>
>> It will take too much effort to go into the whole economic history
>> of Chinese agriculture. Here something for you to chew on.
>
> Nope.
>
>> On 7 per cent of the world's agricultural land China supports
>> 20 per cent of the world's population. This is possible only
>> because the Chinese have evolved methods (in its over 5000
>> year history) to farm the land to provide maximum output yet
>> without ruining the land. That is quite an accomplishment.
>
> Nope, the first world has done much better than that food production
> wise.
> AND managed to leave the chinese for dead with modern medicine too.
>
>> By the way you won't ever come across Chinese fresh grown
>> veggies in your grocery stores or canned ones either.

Thats just plain wrong with seafood particularly.

> But you may well get stuck with them if you visit china.
>
>> Don't worry your pretty little head what stuff trhe Chinese eat in
>> their homes any more they worry about what you eat in yours.
>
> No one cares what they eat themselves except when they
> insist on raping the world's eco systems for exotic food.
>
> The first world worked out LONG ago the down side of using
> untreated human shit when growing food for human consumption.
>
> And its no coincidence that SARS etc came out of china either.

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 7:28 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:19:13 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:

>>
>>> By the way you won't ever come across Chinese fresh grown
>>> veggies in your grocery stores or canned ones either.
>
>Thats just plain wrong with seafood particularly.

You don't know your science. The fish and shrimp compalints refer to
farm raised fresh water stock in polluted water and too much
antibiotics in the feed. Seafood is exactly the same stuff your
fishermen catch. They are much too valued for local consumption in
the China market for them to be exported.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 7:49 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:10:36 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:

>PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:43:27 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But the mindset is completely different, most obviously with
>>> the use of human shit on vegetables for human consumption,
>>> something that just doesnt happen in the first world anymore.
>
>> It will take too much effort to go into the whole economic history
>> of Chinese agriculture. Here something for you to chew on.
>
>Nope.
>
>> On 7 per cent of the world's agricultural land China supports
>> 20 per cent of the world's population. This is possible only
>> because the Chinese have evolved methods (in its over 5000
>> year history) to farm the land to provide maximum output yet
>> without ruining the land. That is quite an accomplishment.
>
>Nope, the first world has done much better than that food production wise.

Its based on cheap oil for the farm machinery and to produce the
fertilizers, etc. Its obvious you have never met a tree hugger, a
Greens or an eco-terrorist who can wise you up on the unsustainability
of your style of industrialized agroculture.
>
>AND managed to leave the chinese for dead with modern medicine too.

Modern medicine? The West truly has the world's unreserved gratitude
for this technology. No contest.
>
>> By the way you won't ever come across Chinese fresh grown
>> veggies in your grocery stores or canned ones either.
>
>But you may well get stuck with them if you visit china.

Been there. Done it. Love it. Will do it again any time.
>
>> Don't worry your pretty little head what stuff trhe Chinese eat in
>> their homes any more they worry about what you eat in yours.
>
>No one cares what they eat themselves except when they
>insist on raping the world's eco systems for exotic food.

I am totally with you on this issue. Wildlife in their natural
environment has too much beauty and wonder to be harvested for food.
There is no need to exploit wildlife for food or for pets.
>
>The first world worked out LONG ago the down side of using
>untreated human shit when growing food for human consumption.
>
>And its no coincidence that SARS etc came out of china either.

Again your science is wanting. SARS has nothing to do with eating
shit. Its processing wildlife for food (see above) and coming in
contact with the animal's raw body fluids passes on the virus to
humans.

By the way raw human shit has to be processed before it can be used as
fertilizer. The raw form will burn and kill the crops. Treating it
(I don't know how) kills the pathogens. Its too bad the Chinese aid
workers haven't managed to persuade Africans to use human waste as
fertilizer. I came across several reports that it is a common
practice in African shanty towns for people to shit into a plastic bag
and toss it over the fence. Thus there are bags and bags of human
excrement in the open next to human habitation and into their open
sewers for flies and all manner of noxious germs to breed. This of
course becomes a public health hazard. That shit in a plastic bag
scene at the exclusive dinner club in Borat ain't funny at all.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 7:56 pm
From: PaPaPeng

On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:14:46 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:

>> Do Chinese have better smarts and iron constitutions
>> as compared to delicate Westerners? Probably.
>
>Nope, they died like flys before the west eliminated smallpox.

And what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Look at the population
curve for China throughout 4000 years of history. Through famines,
plagues, wars, natural disaster that wiped out millions and even tens
of millions per episode. Anywhere else that would have wiped out a
whole country and even civilization. Damn. Nothing changed and the
numbers come back more than before. Double damn. Chinese are sure
hard to kill.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 8:06 pm
From: "dfr"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:19:13 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>> By the way you won't ever come across Chinese fresh grown
>>>> veggies in your grocery stores or canned ones either.
>>
>> Thats just plain wrong with seafood particularly.

> You don't know your science.

Fraid so.

> The fish and shrimp compalints refer to farm raised fresh water
> stock in polluted water and too much antibiotics in the feed.

Both you dont see when they come from the first world.

> Seafood is exactly the same stuff your fishermen catch.

No it isnt. Farm raised is nothing like wild.

> They are much too valued for local consumption
> in the China market for them to be exported.

Have fun explaining the chinese exports that have just recently
been banned in the US and other countrys like Australia.

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 8:15 pm
From: "dfr"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:10:36 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
>
>> PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 06:43:27 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But the mindset is completely different, most obviously with
>>>> the use of human shit on vegetables for human consumption,
>>>> something that just doesnt happen in the first world anymore.
>>
>>> It will take too much effort to go into the whole economic history
>>> of Chinese agriculture. Here something for you to chew on.
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>>> On 7 per cent of the world's agricultural land China supports
>>> 20 per cent of the world's population. This is possible only
>>> because the Chinese have evolved methods (in its over 5000
>>> year history) to farm the land to provide maximum output yet
>>> without ruining the land. That is quite an accomplishment.
>>
>> Nope, the first world has done much better than that food production
>> wise.

> Its based on cheap oil for the farm machinery and to produce the fertilizers, etc.

Its much more than that, most obviously with plant breeding.

> Its obvious you have never met a tree hugger, a Greens or an eco-terrorist

Wrong again.

> who can wise you up on the unsustainability
> of your style of industrialized agroculture.

Just as sustainable as anything the chinese get up to.

>> AND managed to leave the chinese for dead with modern medicine too.

> Modern medicine? The West truly has the world's
> unreserved gratitude for this technology. No contest.

>>> By the way you won't ever come across Chinese fresh grown
>>> veggies in your grocery stores or canned ones either.

>> But you may well get stuck with them if you visit china.

> Been there. Done it. Love it. Will do it again any time.

Irrelevant to that silly claim you made.

>>> Don't worry your pretty little head what stuff trhe Chinese eat in
>>> their homes any more they worry about what you eat in yours.

>> No one cares what they eat themselves except when they
>> insist on raping the world's eco systems for exotic food.

> I am totally with you on this issue. Wildlife in their natural environment
> has too much beauty and wonder to be harvested for food.
> There is no need to exploit wildlife for food or for pets.

And medicine in spades when no one has ever been able to show that
any of the stupid chinese crap like rhino horn etc does a damned thing etc.

>> The first world worked out LONG ago the down side of using
>> untreated human shit when growing food for human consumption.

>> And its no coincidence that SARS etc came out of china either.

> Again your science is wanting.

Nope.

> SARS has nothing to do with eating shit.

Never said it did. Everything to do with how the chinese produce food tho.

> Its processing wildlife for food (see above) and coming in contact
> with the animal's raw body fluids passes on the virus to humans.

That aint what produced SARS.

> By the way raw human shit has to be processed before it can
> be used as fertilizer. The raw form will burn and kill the crops.
> Treating it (I don't know how) kills the pathogens.

No it doesnt. And it aint treated in that sense, just left to rot before its used.

> Its too bad the Chinese aid workers haven't managed
> to persuade Africans to use human waste as fertilizer.

That would only make the HIV/AIDS problem much worse.

> I came across several reports that it is a common practice
> in African shanty towns for people to shit into a plastic bag
> and toss it over the fence.

The west worked out the downsides with what the chinese do centurys ago now.

> Thus there are bags and bags of human excrement in the
> open next to human habitation and into their open sewers
> for flies and all manner of noxious germs to breed. This of
> course becomes a public health hazard. That shit in a plastic
> bag scene at the exclusive dinner club in Borat ain't funny at all.

Neither is what the chinese get up to either.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 8:19 pm
From: "dfr"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Aug 2007 11:14:46 +1000, "dfr" <dfr@dfr.com> wrote:
>
>>> Do Chinese have better smarts and iron constitutions
>>> as compared to delicate Westerners? Probably.
>>
>> Nope, they died like flys before the west eliminated smallpox.

> And what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.

Fantasy with smoking most obviously.

> Look at the population curve for China throughout 4000 years of history.

Mao always maintained that the reason for that is that the chinese
had nothing better to do in the evenings than fuck. He's likely right.

> Through famines, plagues, wars, natural disaster that wiped out
> millions and even tens of millions per episode. Anywhere else
> that would have wiped out a whole country and even civilization.

Fantasy. Bet you cant list even a single country or civilisation that disappeared that way.

> Damn. Nothing changed and the numbers come back more
> than before. Double damn. Chinese are sure hard to kill.

Have fun explaining why they died like flys before the west eliminated smallpox.

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TOPIC: used car
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4bc91883e5c3df2a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 7:58 pm
From: Gordon

gheston@hiwaay.net (Gary Heston) wrote in
news:13bc2o4amlcvh3e@corp.supernews.com:

> In article <1186302293.715367.140610@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> <bob@coolgroups.com> wrote:
>>I was just wondering if there's a good way to ensure that a car hasn't
>>been smoked in when buying a used car. Sometimes it's hard to tell at
>>the dealership.
>
> Check the ashtray for signs of recent use.
>
>
> Gary
>

Best advice yet. Also check the lighter (if it has one)
and check for use.

Another idea: Check for yellow nicotine residue in some hard to
reach places. Look carefully around the edges of the windshield.
No mater how well they detail a car, they always leave a small
strip of yellow residue along there somewhere.
You might also get some alcahol wipes and swab some hard to reach
areas under the dash. (or the back of the rear view mirror,
underside of the steering collumn, Intake for the heater core).

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TOPIC: Excuse me!!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8dc27f26c48c008d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 8:12 pm
From: "Tockk"

<z.m.adel@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186441025.643634.76710@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> Excuse me!! Would you stop for a moment?!
> Have you seen a design which hasn't a designer ?!

Hmmm . . . have you seen a designer that did not have a designer himself?

And have you ever seen a designer's designer that did not have a designer
himself?

And have you ever seen a designer's designer's designer that did not have a
designer himself?

And have you ever seen a designer's designer's designer's designer that did
not have a designer himself?

Do you know where God came from? Why should we bother worshipping God (or,
in your case, Allah) when there are bigger Gods than Him that are more
deserving of our attention?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 8:24 pm
From: clams casino

z.m.adel@gmail.com wrote:

>Excuse me!!
>

Sorry, but there is no excusing a slimy, low-life spammer.

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TOPIC: Hand wash???
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 8:41 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
paper towels before use?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 9:19 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
> We grabbed some new dishtowels from Kmart on a recent shopping trip,
> Martha Stewfart approved if that matters. Washed them and they came
> out incredibly wrinkled. Looked on the label... Made in India, 100%
> cotton. HAND WASH in cold water. Right, we'll get mammy to do that
> next time. WTF??? HAND WASH dish towels??? Gee, what next, ironing
> paper towels before use?

It's that 100% cotton that is the wrinkle magnet. I don't know about
hand washing them but you probably want to line dry and iron. :)

Anthony

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 9:25 pm
From: Stuart

I want to change my ISP and need your input.
Tell me what you use, how fast are downloads, and how much it costs.
Thank you all,
S2

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Aug 6 2007 9:53 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Stuart wrote:
> I want to change my ISP and need your input.
> Tell me what you use, how fast are downloads, and how much it costs.

Perhaps you might want to limit replies to people living in the
same country as yourself? Maybe even the same State or City?

What I want is FIOS, 30Mbps to start and Gigabit for a little more.

I could turn blue, die, decompose and come back as Elvis before
they'll install it though. Why sell real broadband where there
is plenty of DSL to go around?

<Sigh>

Anthony

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