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Tuesday, September 4, 2007

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TOPIC: real humor
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c651cdd108532075?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 3:39 pm
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid

Dear Abby,

I am a crack dealer in Beaumont, Texas who has recently been diagnosed
as a carrier of HIV virus. My parents live in Fort Worth and one of my
sisters, who lives in Pflugerville, is married to a transvestite.

My father and mother have recently been arrested for growing and selling
marijuana. They are financially dependent on my other two sisters, who
are prostitutes in Dallas.

I have two brothers, one is currently serving a life sentence at
Huntsville for the murder of a teenage boy in 1994. My other brother is
currently in jail awaiting charges of sexual misconduct with his three
children.

I have recently become engaged to marry a former prostitute who lives in
Longview, She is a part time "working girl."

All things considered, my problem is this. I love my fiancé and look
forward to bringing her into the family. I certainly want to be totally
open and honest with her. Should I tell her about my cousin who supports
Hillary Clinton for President?

Signed,
Worried About My Reputation

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TOPIC: revenge, and a reminder of why some wars are worth fighting
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/115388a4e87eeb4b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 3:40 pm
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid

by George Orwell:

<http://www.netcharles.com/orwell/essays/revengesour.htm>

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TOPIC: Trees, forests and EARTH
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e4403ca74613b6be?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 4:00 pm
From: "radojunior@gmail.com"

HI! I know, that this group isn't about nature, but click on this
link, plise!

http://astrogha.act4trees.com

Mather Earth is ill. Some organizations wants to help her. This site
is one of them.
Thanks!

Good luck!

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TOPIC: "10 things you should never buy used"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2e741d8c5dc391bb?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 4:34 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <1188830846.675235.166630@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
throwitout wrote in part:

>I'm using "first three years" because that's typically how long they
>sell warranties for.
>
>As far as obsolete, obsolete would suggest it's useless. Compared to
>computers of yore, computers these days don't become useless so
>quickly.My desktop machine is probably 6 years old. It's no good for
>the latest games or 3D apps, but it's more than fine for web surfing,
>word processing, loading digital pictures onto, light duty image
>editing, watching movies, burning DVDs / CDs, etc. Since that
>constitutes most of my computer use, to me this computer isn't
>obsolete.

Heck, I did heavy duty image editing in 1997-1998 or so with a 400 MHz
Pentium II running Windows 3.1, hacked a bit by using the extended memory
manager from Windows 95 to allow Windows 3.1 to access roughly 128 meg as
opposed to roughly 64 meg of RAM.
If I stayed with 64 meg, that merely limited image size more than a 128
meg RAM limit imposed. Since I then used an older photo editor that
appeared to need at least 3 copies in memory and I also had the "temporary
directory" in a RAM drive and also used RAM for a disk cache that needed
to be big enough to hold the image being processed, that became a good
argument to just use Windows 95 in whole as soon as I wanted more
than 128 meg of RAM - and to use a more efficient photo editor that I got
with a flatbed scanner around 1998.

The 400 MHz Pentium II came out in April 1994.

Meanwhile, I now see only slight slowness using my model number "3.2"
AMD Athlon (technology a good 3 years old) with even heavy-duty editing of
pictures from my 10 megapixel camera. I believe that the "1.33+" Athlon
"Thunderbird" that became available at least 4.5-5 years ago is still
reasonably usable for this, though my current camera has USB 2 and I
suspect that might be a little newer than the "1.33" Athlon "Thunderbird".

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: Made In China boycott
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e2e3acda9b278afa?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 5:21 pm
From: val189

We passed up three nonessential items at Home Depot today, all being
made in China and the better half is on a personal boycott. Not even a
drop in the ocean, but made him feel better. Appealed to my frugal
bone too.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 6:46 pm
From: Bernardo Gui

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 17:21:58 -0700, val189 <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>We passed up three nonessential items at Home Depot today, all being
>made in China and the better half is on a personal boycott. Not even a
>drop in the ocean, but made him feel better. Appealed to my frugal
>bone too.

Be careful. PaPaPeng is watching you. The defender of all corrupted
Chinese products will not take kindly to your boycott.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 8:42 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

val189 <gwehrenb@bellsouth.net> wrote:

> We passed up three nonessential items at Home Depot today, all
> being made in China and the better half is on a personal boycott.

That cant last for long.

> Not even a drop in the ocean, but made him feel better.

More fool him.

> Appealed to my frugal bone too.

More fool you.

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TOPIC: 71% of American Jews want the US to attack Iran for Israel, and Hillary
Clinton is sold out to the Israeli lobby!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2c6cae1bfea71c7e?hl=en
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Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 5:22 pm
From: greg3347

On Sep 3, 4:52 pm, "inkybla...@yahoo.com" <inkybla...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/860903.html
>
> Poll: 71% of Israelis want U.S. to strike Iran if talks fail
> By Aluf Benn, Haaretz Correspondent
>
> Fully 71 percent of Israelis believe that the United States should
> launch a military attack on Iran if diplomatic efforts fail to halt
> Tehran's nuclear program, according to a new poll.
>
> The survey, commissioned by Bar-Ilan University's BESA Center and the
> Anti-Defamation League, found that 59 percent of Israelis still
> believe the war in Iraq was justified, while 36 percent take the
> opposite view.
>
> Some 65 percent believe that the United States is a loyal ally of
> Israel, with only 11 percent saying the opposite. A slightly higher
> proportion, 73 percent, described U.S. President George W. Bush as
> friendly. Forty-eight percent attributed U.S. support for Israel to
> strategic considerations, while 30 percent credited American Jewry and
> 17 percent cited shared values and a shared democratic tradition.
>
> Regarding America's importance to Israel, there was near consensus: 91
> percent said that close relations with the U.S. are vital to Israel's
> security. Some 51 percent of respondents predicted that the U.S. will
> ultimately impose an agreement on Israel and the Palestinians, while
> 43 percent disagreed.
>
> In addition, 52 percent of respondents described American Jewish
> support of Israel as "sufficient," while 33 percent did not. About
> half of all Israelis believe that American Jewry is in danger of
> disappearing due to assimilation, the poll found.

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TOPIC: STURDY Backpack Recommendation, please
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8fd08fd65ef0938b?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 5:28 pm
From: Dennis

On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 09:41:50 -0700, Bianca <ldancausse@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Every September, for the past few years, I have had to buy new
>backpacks for my two girls, as one school-year is, apparently, the
>maximum life-expectancy of any school backpack (even those so-called
>"high-end" ones such as Roots or Swiss Gear).
>
>Growing up, my brothers and I went through exactly 3 (leather) school
>bags each: one for elementary and middle school (which was actually
>passed down from one child to the next), one for high-school and one
>for university. Of course, then, planned obsolescence had not taken
>over America.
>
>Can someone recommend a backpack that would last AT LEAST a couple of
>years?

I bought my kids Columbia backpacks last year. They are still in good
shape for use again this year. IIRC, I even found them on sale at an
online retailer for what seemed like a really good price.

Dennis (evil)
--
The honest man is the one who realizes that he cannot
consume more, in his lifetime, than he produces.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 7:05 pm
From: "Gini"

"Bianca" wrote
> Every September, for the past few years, I have had to buy new
> backpacks for my two girls, as one school-year is, apparently, the
> maximum life-expectancy of any school backpack (even those so-called
> "high-end" ones such as Roots or Swiss Gear).
>
> Growing up, my brothers and I went through exactly 3 (leather) school
> bags each: one for elementary and middle school (which was actually
> passed down from one child to the next), one for high-school and one
> for university. Of course, then, planned obsolescence had not taken
> over America.
>
> Can someone recommend a backpack that would last AT LEAST a couple of
> years?
==
Columbia

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TOPIC: Cost of Pierogies?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c0e499071a18aa12?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 5:56 pm
From: "Don K"

"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
news:laqdnZ-AC9X2-UHbnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@comcast.com...
> They aren't difficult or expensive to make. Once you have had real ones you likely won't
> even touch those big box versions.

Yes, a Mrs T is to pierogie as Big Mac is to filet mignon.

> There are quite a few permutations depending on the Slavic region they come from.
> Fillings could be potato, onion, sauerkraut, cheese or mushrooms.

IIRC the pierogies my mother made were filled with cottage cheese
and onion. One of these days I've got to get out her recipe and
cook up a batch.

Don

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 6:32 pm
From: barbie gee

On Mon, 3 Sep 2007, watcher@moog.netaxs.com wrote:

> In article <fbhkcq$2jb$1@aioe.org>, OhioGuy wrote:
>> Some of you out there may not know what a pierogie is. It is essentially
>> a mashed potato with cheese inside of a dumpling. They were popular in
>> Eastern Europe. Evidently lots of Eastern Europeans moved up into that
>> area, because it is a mining town.
>>
>> When we drove up into Canada this summer, we bought pierogies from a
>> grocery store, (some sort of chain with a green maple leaf as their symbol)
>> and got a 2 pound bag (yes, some things are still labelled in pounds up
>> there, as well as metric) for $1.30 Canadian. I think that's about $1.20
>> U.S.
>>
>> Anyway, when I got back down here, I remembered getting that deal, and
>> that it was an everyday price. I looked around, and the best price I seem
>> to be able to find is $1.20 for a 1 pound box at Save-A-Lot. A chain called
>> "Deal$" used to have a 2 pound box around here for $1 or $1.50, but they no
>> longer carry it.
>>
>> Around here, we have Meijer, Kroger, Wal-Mart, Super K-Mart, Target, Cub
>> Foods, Save-A-Lot, Aldi's, and the independent IGA grocery stores.
>>
>> I'd like to ask folks to do me a favor, please, and next time you're in
>> the grocery store, please look and see how much pierogies are, ok? (they are
>> in the frozen food section) Then post the price (and size) here. I'm
>> wondering if I can get a deal somewhere down here similar to what we found
>> up in Canada.
>>
>> Thanks!
>
> Depending on where you are in Ohio, you may be near several Polish and
> Ukrainian parishes. If so, the chances are good that at least one of them
> will have home-made pierogies for sale on various days of the week. I can
> guarantee that they will be infinitely superior to anything you can buy at a
> supermarket.

and potato cheese ones maybe tasty, but they're really not the best
example of pierogi at their best..

meat filled, kraut, kraut and mushroom are really good. And, summer ones
filled with fruit are a special treat. Just had some strawberry filled
ones this weekend, the blueberry ones are to die for, especially with a
little drizzle of sourcream w/ sugar and cinnamon.

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TOPIC: political humor/World History
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2686503af2b40a0a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 9:08 pm
From: "ChairMan"

In news:3nHCi.5540$tB2.5000@trndny05,
AllEmailDeletedImmediately <derjda@hotmail.com>spewed forth:
> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote in message
> news:46db3834$0$32372$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
>> In news:MLKdnZvjiOHagEbbnZ2dnUVZ_u6rnZ2d@comcast.com,
>> Bob F <bobnospam@gmail.com>spewed forth:
>>> plonk!
>>
>> what, no sense of humor?
>> must be a democrat<g>
>
> must be. guess you'll be next. be sure to reply to
> this so he has to read me again :)

maybe this will help<eg>

World History

Humans originally existed as members of small bands of nomadic
hunters/gatherers. They lived on deer in the mountains during the summer
and would go to the coast and live on fish and lobster in the winter.

The two most important events in all of history were the invention of
beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to
the beer. These were the foundation of modern civilization and together
were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups:

1. Liberals
2. Conservatives

Once beer was discovered, it required grain and that was the beginning of
agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet,
so while our early humans were sitting around waiting for the m to be
invented, they just stayed close to the brewery. That's how villages were
formed.

Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to B-B-Q at night
while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as
the Conservation movement.

Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off
the conservatives by showing up for the nightly B-B-Q's and doing the
sewing, fetching, and hair dressing. This was the beginning of the Liberal
movement.

Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became
known as girlie-men.

Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats,
the invention of group therapy, group hugs, and the concept of Democratic
voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives
provided.

Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most
powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the
jackass.

Modern liberals like imported beer (with lime added), but prefer white
wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well
done. Sushi, tofu, and French food are standard liberal fare.

Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women have
higher testosterone levels than their men. Most social workers, attorneys,
journalists, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals.
Liberals invented the designated hitter rule because it wasn't fair to make
the pitcher also bat.

Conservatives drink domestic beer. They eat red meat and still provide
for their women. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys,
lumberjacks, construction workers, firemen, medical doctors, police
officers, corporate executives, athletes, Marines, sailors, airmen,
soldiers, and generally anyone who works productively. Conservatives who
own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.

Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to govern the producers
and decide what to do with the production. Liberals believe Europeans are
more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained
in Europe when conservatives were coming to America . They crept in after
the Wild West was tamed and created a business of trying to get more for
nothing.

Here ends today's lesson in world history:

It should be noted that a Liberal may have a momentary urge to angrily
respond to the above before forwarding it.

A Conservative will simply laugh and be so convinced of the absolute truth
of this history that it will be forwarded immediately to other true
believers and to more liberals just to tick them off

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TOPIC: Loan Calculator A Must Look!!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Sep 3 2007 11:13 pm
From: "david.boon77@gmail.com"

Excellent resource on Loan calculation:

http://cash-experts.com/LC.asp

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TOPIC: Now www.ebaynt.com is as close as your keyboard!
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