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Friday, November 9, 2007

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TOPIC: What to do when the city ruins your sidewalk?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fff69264218978cf?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:09 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Gary Heston <gheston@hiwaay.net> wrote:
> In article <fh246c$rqh$2@aioe.org>, OhioGuy <none@none.net> wrote:
>> Yesterday was the day when the trash truck came. (I call it the
>> trash truck because garbage is fruit and vegetable waste, and we
>> compost ours, but we do put trash out) Sometime during the day, it
>> appears that a very, very heavy and large truck drove up onto our
>> sidewalk where the front sidewalk becomes the side sidewalk.
>
>> So basically, they missed the turn and drove up onto our yard. The
>> weight of the truck pushed a section of the sidewalk that is about 7
>> feet long sideways about 4 inches, and one end is now up in the air
>> about 5 inches. I am unable to move it by hand.

> Have you filed a police report regarding the vandalism to
> your property? You should do so. If it can be characterized
> as a motor vehicle accident, then the perpetrators can be
> prosecuted for leaving the scene--which is usually a felony.

Not if they didnt notice that that happened.

And the cops cant do anything about it with no ID of the vehicle involved anyway.

> Also, check with your neighbors--one of them may have
> seen the truck in your yard. If there are any tracks, do
> plaster casts of them as further documentation.

No point in doing that unless the vehicle can be identified.

> You might see if a tow truck can pull the section back into position.

Unlikely, nothing to get a grip on.

Might be feasible to jack it back to where it came from.

> If they can, it'll be cheaper than breaking out the
> original sidewalk and having a new one poured.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:36 pm
From: "Don K"

"OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in message news:fh246b$rqh$1@aioe.org...
> Yesterday was the day when the trash truck came. (I call it the trash truck because
> garbage is fruit and vegetable waste, and we compost ours, but we do put trash out)
> Sometime during the day, it appears that a very, very heavy and large truck drove up
> onto our sidewalk where the front sidewalk becomes the side sidewalk.
>
> So basically, they missed the turn and drove up onto our yard. The weight of the truck
> pushed a section of the sidewalk that is about 7 feet long sideways about 4 inches, and
> one end is now up in the air about 5 inches. I am unable to move it by hand.

> How should we proceed? I really doubt that the city would volunteer to pay for the
> repairs if I call them and send them the pictures I took. However, now I have a
> liability that needs addressed. The mailman walks through there every day, and if he or
> someone else slips on that, it could be a real problem. I would estimate that it would
> cost $800 to $1,400 to have the section removed and a new one poured thick enough to
> resist further problems like this.

I'd contact them anyway and give it a try. Do it all by mail or email so
there is a written record. Tell them your sidewalk got damaged on pickup
day when one of the garbage trucks apparently made a wide turn and
now the sidewalk is a hazardous. You might have to work thru a couple
layers of bureaucracy before you find anyone with authority to authorize anything.

I went thru a similar exercise this spring when a asphalt ramp to my driveway
was removed when the county repaved the road. I went from the foreman of the
work crew, then to the county road dept, the road inspector, his supervisor,
and finally to the head of County Roads. Initially everyone kept saying that
they don't allow ramps on county roads. I said, fine then raise the road instead
if they'd rather. When I got the head road guy to come out and look at it, he
said that it was the worst driveway access he'd seen. Two weeks later he
sent out work crews with jackhammers, several trucks, a roller, a concrete
mixer truck, an asphalt truck, and they recontoured the road and raised
its level. It must have cost a few thousand bucks. :-)

Don

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 8:10 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Chloe wrote:
...
> Life isn't fair. Owning a home costs money. Fix the sidewalk. You could
> check into getting some of those sharp spikes to protect it in the future,
> but I think there may be liability issues with those, too.

You don't put up sharp spikes. You put up lamp posts, decorative
concrete, small boulders, trees... stuff like that. Anything that
a truck won't be able to drive over but doesn't look like it'll
kill stray pedestrians.

Anthony

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TOPIC: Replica Chanel lambskin classic flap bag
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2d01aedbb979398d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:09 pm
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TOPIC: Frugal Home Remedy Questions / Thoughts
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f16d94d5b7304c70?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:10 pm
From: "Joe"

Okay... This feels like the most "troll-like" post I've ever posted here,
but I assure you, the question is legitimate and comes from me recently
reading the "US Army Survival Manual" I bought at a book sale this summer.

On page 26 of section 3, it says you can use the following remedies to treat
an intestinal problem caused by parasites:

1.) Saltwater. Mix 4 tablespoons of salt in 1 quart of water and drink.
Do not repeat this treatment

Thoughts: Okay... This I can understand sorta... Makes a solution that is
absorbed by the parasites I suppose.

2.) Tobacco. Eat 1 to 1.5 cigarettes. The nicotine in the cigarette will
kill or stun the worms long enough for your system to pass them. If the
infestation is severe, repeat the treatment in 24-48 hours, but not sooner.

Thoughts: I can see this working. Having swallowed a cigarette once when I
was 16 or 17, I'd say this is probably really uncomfortable... But I guess
the parasitic infection is too.

3.) Hot peppers. Peppers are effective only if they are a steady part of
your diet. You can eat them raw or put them in soups or rice and meat
dishes.

Thoughts: Jalapeno good enough or do I have to take it to the Habanero or
even beyond to the Naga level hot peppers?

4.) Kerosene. Drink 2 tablespoons of kerosene but no more. If necessary,
you can repeat this treatment in 24-48 hours but no sooner.

Thoughts: Wow. Siphoning gasoline tastes bad when you mess up. I can't
imagine what kerosene tastes like... I also can't imagine that doing this
often is very good for you or your kidneys, liver, intestines, stomach,
tongue, throat, or arse.

Who tests this stuff?!?

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 8:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Joe <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:

> Okay... This feels like the most "troll-like" post I've ever posted here, but I assure you, the question is
> legitimate and comes from me recently reading the "US Army Survival Manual" I bought at a book sale this summer.

Corse you would say that if you were trolling...

> On page 26 of section 3, it says you can use the following remedies to treat an intestinal problem caused by
> parasites:

> 1.) Saltwater. Mix 4 tablespoons of salt in 1 quart of water and drink. Do not repeat this treatment

Pointless using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.

> Thoughts: Okay... This I can understand sorta... Makes a solution that is absorbed by the parasites I suppose.

Or kills them in theory, anyway.

> 2.) Tobacco. Eat 1 to 1.5 cigarettes. The nicotine in the cigarette will kill or stun the worms long enough for
> your system to pass them. If the infestation is severe, repeat the treatment in 24-48 hours, but not sooner.

Stupid using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.

> Thoughts: I can see this working. Having swallowed a cigarette once
> when I was 16 or 17, I'd say this is probably really uncomfortable...
> But I guess the parasitic infection is too.

Not necessarily, some are symptom free.

> 3.) Hot peppers. Peppers are effective only if they are a steady part of your diet. You can eat them raw or put them
> in soups or rice and meat dishes.

Mindlessly silly.

> Thoughts: Jalapeno good enough or do I have to take it to the Habanero or even beyond to the Naga level hot peppers?

> 4.) Kerosene. Drink 2 tablespoons of kerosene but no more. If
> necessary, you can repeat this treatment in 24-48 hours but no sooner.

Even more stupid using this approach when more effective ways of
dealing with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.

> Thoughts: Wow. Siphoning gasoline tastes bad when you mess up. I can't imagine what kerosene tastes like...

Not as bad, its not as volatile.

> I also can't imagine that doing this often is very good for you or your kidneys, liver, intestines, stomach, tongue,
> throat, or arse.

Yeah, its a stupid approach if the usual treatment for intestinal
parasites is available, and it always is except in the situation
that manual was written for, even in third world countrys.

And it makes a hell of a lot more sense to avoid getting intestinal parasites
in the first place by using any of the obvious ways to ensure that.

> Who tests this stuff?!?

Presumably that crap was tested at vast expense to the US taxpayer using
suckers that didnt have any real choice as far as being victims was concerned.

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TOPIC: Replica Chanel Hobo
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f51ecb1ca8dfd327?hl=en
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Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:14 pm
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TOPIC: action against Argos on faulty goods
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0c66ea2e96d149d7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:15 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

martin_pentreath@hotmail.com wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>> You should look up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Directive#Direct_Effect

> Hello again Rod,

> Thanks for that, but I don't think you've understood it.

Corse I did. And it specifically mentions individuals, not just the state too.

> You're quite right that there's no doubt that directives have direct
> effect. The problem for anyone wishing to enforce them against
> Argos or any other private body is that they only have effect
> "vertically" (against the state), not horizontally.

It aint that black and white with your only claim.

> Read the rest of the article,

I did that, long before you ever showed up thanks.

> or any of the many links you will find if you type in "horizontal direct
> effect". The only claim available then is based on the Francovich
> principle against the member state which has failed to implement.

Wrong.

> This is not a practical remedy for a £10 battery charger.

Wrong. All you'd likely need to do is rub Argos nose
in that EU directive to see them cave in on the claim.

Or use the small claims system if they dont.

>>> Non- implemented directives are not effective against private
>>> individuals or companies, only against the state itself.
>>> I don't have long to explain, but twenty seconds in google found
>>> this in Wikipedia which mentions the "emanation of the state"
>>> doctrine (which itself comes from a case called British Gas):
>>> "Unlike Treaty provisions and regulations, directives cannot have
>>> horizontal effect (against another private individual or company),
>>> as this is adjudged contrary to the principles of equality (see
>>> Marshall v Southampton and South West Hampshire AHA (1986)).
>>> As such, Directives are currently only vertically directly effective
>>> (i.e. against the state, a concept interpreted broadly by the ECJ,
>>> including state schools and other "emanations of the state")."
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_effect

>> Irrelevant to the original sweeping claim which is, as I said, just plain wrong.

>>> There are plenty of other references on Google if you're interested.

>> Dont need them, the original sweeping claim is just plain wrong, like I said.

> Hmmmmm, well! I've just taken a glance at some of your other
> posts in the Google archive. I must apologise to you. I seem to
> be dealing with one of the sharpest legal minds on the internet.
> I can see I'm outclassed and I wish you all the best, a glittering
> career at the European Court of Justice is yours for the asking.

Never ever could bullshit its way out of a wet paper bag.

Thats sort of consumer claim aint about the European Court of Justice,
its about rubbing Argos nose in the directive and seeing them cave in.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 6:50 pm
From: "Don K"

"Bill Rider" <please@nospa.mnet> wrote in message
news:DSMYi.50$qv5.17@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> Chloe wrote:

> The above link shows how it works. Savitz studied 138,905 utility workers, exposed to
> high levels of EMFs up on power poles. 151 died of brain cancer. Savitz and Dana
> Loomis published a paper saying this meant utility workers were 2.6 times more likely
> than the general population to die of brain cancer.
>
> Researcher Philip Cole said hold on, from a control group of 138,905 from general
> population, one would have expected more, 159, to die of brain cancer. Savitz said
> utility workers are so much healthier than the general population that he would have
> expected only 58 to die of brain cancer.

In other words, apply whatever fudge factor is needed to get the answer you want.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 9 2007 8:46 pm
From: "Captain AMYrica"

"Jamie" <jannghi@ihollister.net> wrote in message
news:1194562152.284304.43380@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 8, 2:38 pm, Steven <thisjukeboxplays33...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 8, 2:54 pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Nov 8, 1:18 pm, Jamie <jann...@ihollister.net> wrote:
>>
>> > >http://tinyurl.com/ywn4xt
>>
>> > > Notice something?
>>
>> > Yeah. The first line is a couple syllables short and it's throwing off
>> > the whole thing, which would still be fairly lame even if the meter
>> > was correct.
>>
>> WTF's an FMA
> GMIIK! (see below)
>
>
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>

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