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Saturday, November 17, 2007

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* 11% inflation - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/305989c06e5c1309?hl=en
* MI5 Persecution: Ravenscourt Park 20/3/99 (4692) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ea26bdc86ff6397d?hl=en
* wholesale Nike Sneakers, Jordan Sport Shoes, Discount Gucci Purses - 1
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* ~ ¥Â _(^_^)_ SEX STILL~ FREE VIDEO~ FREE DOWNLOAD~ GIRLS SEX
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* MI5 Persecution: Battersea Library 29/3/99 (6867) - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b2f50f5b63ca04a6?hl=en
* The sale of super brand packet - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1c901fc1c3c67245?hl=en
* Auto Related - Gas Saving Tips - 2 messages, 2 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/815dabf997589ba7?hl=en
* Gift Cards in Ads - 2 messages, 2 authors
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TOPIC: 11% inflation
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 12:42 am
From: "231" <231@alok.com>

Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> timeOday wrote:
>> <http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN1532573220071115>
>>
>> WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. consumers will pay 11 percent more for
>> the traditional Thanksgiving meal this year, due in part to higher
>> energy costs, the American Farm Bureau Federation said on Thursday.
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> How do the official inflation figures stay so low? Food, gas, health
>> care, travel, all shooting up in price.
>
> These are statistics. Statistics can be manipulated.
> In short, they cheat.

Utterly mindless conspiracy theory.

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TOPIC: MI5 Persecution: Ravenscourt Park 20/3/99 (4692)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ea26bdc86ff6397d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 16 2007 8:57 pm
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk

Ravenscourt Park 20/3/99

Certainty level: 70%

On Saturday I went to Hammersmith, specifically Ravenscourt Park. There
had recently been a resurgence of persecution activity, following the
Capital spams. I went to the cafe in the park and had a cup of coffee
outside, with my mother. As I went inside the cafe to return the cups,
a woman shouted a sexual obscenity (not present on this audio file -
don't ask), and she said loudly "something's wrong with him". You can just
about hear it in the audio file; listen very carefully, several times; it
is distinguishable.

Much less subtle is the male voice shouting "take care he's a nutter"
immediately after the woman's voice. As on the other recordings there's
a lot of noise, but what the people say can be clearly heard.

Given that I take medication and look and behave quite sanely, and that
there had been increased abuse over the last couple of weeks, it seems
pretty unlikely that this incident was just spontaneous.... of course,
you couldn't prove otherwise, but then that's the way MI5 mean their
abuse to look.

4692

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TOPIC: MI5 Persecution: Battersea Library 29/3/99 (6867)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Nov 16 2007 10:36 pm
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk

Battersea Library 29/3/99

Certainty level: 60%

This one is quite dull. During the month of March 1999, MI5 made another
determined attempt to "get" me, substantially through radio programmes,
through Jon Snow on Channel Four News, and through abuse in public, of
which this is one example.

Recorded on my minidisc-walkman on Monday 29 March 1999, this audio file
consists of two girls talking. One says to the other, "he's got something
wrong with him." The usual words. How many millions a year do the Security
Service waste on this? But they've denied it - how silly of me to forget.
And they're not liars either, are they?

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TOPIC: Auto Related - Gas Saving Tips
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 3:43 am
From: Just A User

Bill Rider wrote:
> Just A User wrote:
>
>>>
>> cleaning the throttle body will help, but more importantly put a FI
>> cleaner in your tank every two or three fill ups.
>>
>> If you don't drive on the highway, make it a point to drive 30 or 40
>> miles a month on the highway to help keep injectors clear and
>> combustion chambers clean.
>
> Last year an injector cleaner additive worked wonders for my 22-year-old
> car. I used only a fraction of the bottle. I've read that it can cause
> deterioration of parts in the fuel system, so I won't use it again if
> the engine runs smoothly.
>
> Decades ago, when engines ran dirty at low speeds, they often ran better
> after a highway trip. I haven't noticed that lately.
>
> Injector varnish can form each time the engine is turned off. I don't
> think driving more miles reduces the problem, but cleaners included in
> gasoline can. They're cheap, but some refiners add a lot less than
> engine manufacturers may recommend. How does the consumer know what
> he's getting?

well those things I suggested are things that I have noticed make a
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And I keep accurate fuel consumption records.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 6:11 am
From: "Joe"

>>>> I actually wear ear plugs in my CAR when I drive with the windows
>>>> open...
>>>
>>> You would get a ticket in California, legal if you ware only one.
>>
>> Did it in California this August... And NJ, PA, OH, IL, NE, WY, AZ, MN,
>> SD... Just didn't get caught. I believe the law says they can't be
>> used unless they are prescription or something like that...
>
> I guess it's not illegal unless you get caught? No one gets tickets
> (or arrested) for anything unless they get caught.

I wasn't arguing their legality... I was simply pointing out that I had
worn them. I didn't have a clue what state where they were illegal.

I think it is one of those laws that is only enforced rarely - like when
there is an accident and then it is determined that one driver had them in,
etc. Otherwise, a LOT of motorcyclists who are trying to avoid wind noise
would be ticketed when they removed their helmets...

> That said, the earplugs laws don't really make much sense. They allow
> both deaf people and those playing very loud music to drive so they
> can't claim that being able to hear is a requirement to drive.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 4:36 am
From: Mark Leeper

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--Mark

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 6:42 am
From: "Chloe"

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 1:01 am
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk

Royal Festival Hall 15/4/99

Certainty level: 100%

Another "day in the life of", this one. January and February were quiet;
in March it all started again; by the middle of April the resurgence of
abuse had been going on for over a month. And this, with 100% certainty,
is one manifestation of the abuse.

On Thursday 15 April 1999, 1pm lunchtime, I was at the booking office at
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for a friend. A woman was at the counter next to me. She said;

"it would kill it, you know, it would just be overkill...
.. they can't stop can they"

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 6:02 am
From: Marsha

Charles Quinn wrote:

> "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote in news:fhkmfb$4uv$1@aioe.org:
>
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>>
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>
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Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 2:29 am
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk

Balham - LT bus (8/July/1999)

Certainty level: 90%

I am very sure about this one. I got back from holidays on Wednesday.
There were two incidents, both on the tube, on the way back from the
airport. There was a further incident the following day, Thursday, on
the bus (the 155 I think) in Balham, where two girls started spouting
abuse about "crazy", etc. Naturally I had my minidisc with me and was
able to record their words.

The cynical reader might think my demeanour or behaviour had given rise
to the taunts of "crazy" recorded above. But I assure you my behaviour
on the bus would not have made anyone think I was ill; and the taunts
the previous day were the same sexual words as previously; so I'm quite
sure that these incidents are either deliberately staged, or indicative
of an overall high level of awareness among the London public,
particularly in the part of London where I live.

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Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 3:55 am
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk

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In February 2000, MI5's hate campaign against me was in full swing. They
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On Thursday 17 February 2000, I had just left my home, en route for Croydon,
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 17 2007 9:09 am
From: Jim Nason

On 2007-10-31 11:47:10 -0400, Allen <allen@nothere.net> said:

> Joseph Meehan wrote:
>> Get real, it is about hate, and it is coming from someone who's
>> ancestors likely came to America under conditions that would have made
>> them illegal today. They don't have a clue, but they do have a lot of
>> irrational hate and fear.
>>
>> "greg3347" <theodoric3@lycos.com> wrote in message
>> news:1193832145.399546.56880@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Oct 30, 8:36 pm, gringogirl <sumarli...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> This is not about race, it's about security and the financial well-
>>>> being of the United States.
> Thank you, John. My ancestors started arriving here in the 1630s, and
> they were certainly illegal immigrants as far as the people who had
> been here for more centuries than anyone can be sure of of. My
> ancestors, though, were not quite as considerate as the recent
> immigrants; they just killed the ones who were here first. I might add
> that the immigrants that so many are concerned about have racial ties
> to those my ancestors killed. I would be in favor of decent immigration
> laws that would allow anyone without a criminal record to come here,
> work, and go through the citizenship process, but PLEASE! no walls, no
> fences, no prosecution of humanitarians to provide food, water and
> medical care to those in trouble in the desert Southwest. I would much
> rather import people than import so many necessities for life from
> other countries. Our great seal says "E Pluribus Unum", not "Mine, All
> Mine". I'm sure this post will put me in dozens of killfiles; no need
> to tell me, as I expect it.
>
> Allen

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