Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 17 topics

Saturday, December 8, 2007

25 new messages in 17 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living?hl=en

misc.consumers.frugal-living@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Warning about Veterinarians
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9ad7a1a303e4c055?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 12:58 am
From: Stan Brown

Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:33:31 +0000 (UTC) from me <me@me.org>:
> Being in Tucson I find the vets main concern here is PROFIT above and
> beyone animal welfare.

If you're trying to convince anybody of anything, the way to do it is
not by making broad generalizations like this.

Tucson is a big place; it's awfully hard to believe you know the main
concern" of every vet in the area. So we're left to assume you've had
a bad experience with one or two, and are tarring all the rest with
the same brush. That reflects on you, not them.

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA

http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"If there's one thing I know, it's men. I ought to: it's
been my life work." -- Marie Dressler, in /Dinner at Eight/

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 6:09 am
From: "cybercat"

"Stan Brown" <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:MPG.21c426c89e2acb4798b297@news.individual.net...
> Fri, 7 Dec 2007 19:33:31 +0000 (UTC) from me <me@me.org>:
>> Being in Tucson I find the vets main concern here is PROFIT above and
>> beyone animal welfare.
>
> If you're trying to convince anybody of anything, the way to do it is
> not by making broad generalizations like this.
>

Argue with idiots much, Stan?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 8:25 am
From: "Bill"

> For a discussion of the money grubbing tactics
> of tucson veterinarians...
>

Same thing these days with dentists, doctors, air conditioning/heating
repair people, etc.

This is why I research and learn about things on the internet first. Then I
know if someone is giving me a line of whooey...

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Reverse Hiring Bonus: Legal?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/01bee59f170fec8b?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 12:21 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <RQF5j.30598$Pv2.25553@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
sfgeorge@paccbell.net says...
> pepita@prodigy.net wrote:
> > On Dec 5, 10:00 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> i'm not sure it's legal to work for free (off the clock), even voluntarily,
> >> at a regular type company.

> > Sure there is, it is called an Internship.

> And,by law, an intern can not be performing work that would normally
> be done by a paid employee.In addition the work must be of educational
> value to the intern.

Must... restrain... self...

Must... NOT... mention... Monica... Lewinsky...

--
Want Privacy?
http://www.MinistryOfPrivacy.com/

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 12:48 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <RRH5j.29018$lD6.10460@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net>,
sfgeorge@paccbell.net says...
> Lou wrote:
> > "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:1Mz5j.79375$Um6.7977@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
> >> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
> >>> "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:srhi-4B6395.22011404122007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> >>>> In article
> >>> snip

> >>>> I understand that you are desparate for a job, but I doubt this idea
> >>>> would pan out. Hiring someone is a major commitment. I seriously doubt
> >>>> $300 would make all that big a difference to a company who could afford
> >>>> to hire you. What might be better is to offer to work for free for a
> >>>> week at a place where they might be tempted to hire you, but aren't
> >>>> ready to make the commitment. Another option to consider is to move to
> >>>> an area where jobs are available.

> >>> i'm not sure it's legal to work for free (off the clock), even
> >>> voluntarily, at a regular type company.

> >> There are exceptions such as a commission only job. For many years
> >> those jobs took out out no payroll deductions. The companies liked it
> >> because they avoided Social Security, unemployment,etc while some worker
> >> likes the idea of no withholding and they simply ignored the yearly 1099.
> >> In the 90's the IRS ruled that if the company provides you with a
> >> place to work along with needed tools you are a commissioned employee
> >> and are subject to withholding.

> > Even in commission only jobs, the employer must pay you a minimum wage if
> > you don't earn that much in commissions. It's usually done as a draw
> > against commission, and you pay the employer back when your earn commissions
> > in excess of minimum wage.

> Correct, but independent contractors are exempted. Sometime in, I
> think, the early 90's the definition of independent contractor was
> changed to meet the criteria that I mentioned in my earlier post.

I know someone who worked on commission in the US in the
early-mid 90s. At more than one employer. And there was never
any mention of any minimum wage floor. Just straight commission.

The hours weren't really counted, since there was a required
latest-starting and earliest-stopping window, but, in practice,
there was work going on before and after.

Interestingly, the employers also screwed around with the taxes,
and issued both a W-2 employee form, AND a 1099 independent
contractor form, with the worker's pay split between the two. I
think their excuse was related to the worker's vehicle expense
deductions. Some time after one of those jobs, an issue arose
where the state tax authoriTAH gave an official confirmation
basically stating, "You were an employee for all of your
earnings, and NOT a contractor."

On those jobs, the total amount earned was OK, because, if the
worker was productive, then the commissions would add up to more
than minimum wage times the basic required schedule. But there
was never any provision for any "guaranteed" minimum paycheque if
the worker's productivity was lower than that threshold.

Do you have a cite for that requirement? Perhaps it depends on
the particular state?

--
Earn Money With Your Web Site
http://www.WebSponsorZone.Net
Web Site Advertising Directory

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 12:54 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <efb432f6-888e-40b8-a522-
158de3da8260@b15g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, skarkada@gmail.com
says...
> For the original poster:
> You have three choices.
> (1) Acquire a skill that is in demand in your area
> (2) Move to an area where there is demand for your skills
> (3) Suffer

> For Mr. Grapman:
> I like your way of filtering resumes and candidates. But, I know a few
> hiring managers that are easily impressed by a long resume and by a
> number of buzz words like "interfaced" "liaison" "paradigm"
> "strategic", etc. It is generally hard to impress everyone with one
> resume. It also matters as to what kind of job you are looking for. A
> lathe operator (turner) has no business putting buzz words in the
> resume.

I propose a synergistic relationship with your organisation, in
which we mutually leverage solutions.

I flip the burgers, and you pay me five bucks an hour.

--
Earn Money With Your Web Site
http://www.WebSponsorZone.Net
Web Site Advertising Directory

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 7:10 am
From: Jon v Leipzig

jdrews88@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello. I have a question that I hope I can receive some feedback on.
>
> I'm thinking of perhaps offering a potential employer an amount of
> money so that I can get a job.
>
> I'm talking about maybe $300.00 or so. This would be a kind of
> "reverse hiring bonus" I guess.
>
> This is not a plan to offer some human resource person a "bribe" to
> pick me over the other candidates. I would be offering this money to
> the company itself (or small business).
>
> What do you guys think? This is a serious post and I'm open to all
> comments.
>
I think that's a dumb idea. Very sad, you think your strongest point is
cash in your hand. Any HR person can sense you think you have little
else to offer the company, so why should they hire you??

Try this:
Get a pen and paper, find a quiet place where you can concentrate.

Make a list of at least a half dozen reasons why they should hire you.
examples; "I'm good at...."" "I have x amount of experience in...""

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 7:45 am
From: "Chloe"

"Jon v Leipzig" <JVL@myday.com> wrote in message
news:475AB3D1.1060001@myday.com...
> jdrews88@yahoo.com wrote:

> I think that's a dumb idea. Very sad, you think your strongest point is
> cash in your hand. Any HR person can sense you think you have little else
> to offer the company, so why should they hire you??
>
> Try this:
> Get a pen and paper, find a quiet place where you can concentrate.
>
> Make a list of at least a half dozen reasons why they should hire you.
> examples; "I'm good at...."" "I have x amount of experience in...""

I'm not sure the OP was implying his strongest point was cash. I think he
was looking more for an angle that would distinguish him from other
job-seekers and provide him some kind of relatively unique advantage. Your
advice, while solid, hardly fits that category. Anyone who's had a single
successful job interview in their lives knows to apply the general principle
of what you suggest.

I think the offer to work for free was the best advice I'd seen on the
thread.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: cell phones
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/49bd2738762ff58b?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 1:07 am
From: abx

Can anyone tell me whether there is a dealer or seller or manufacturer
of a cell phone that will sell me a cell phone and let me pay for only
the calls that I make (even though it would be at a relatively high
price)? Thank you very much.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: My Online SPame
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1d7d598894edfb3b?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 2:00 am
From: "catseyes99@gmail.com"

On Nov 29, 2:16 pm, clams casino <PeterGrif...@drunkin-clam.com>
wrote:
> catseye...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Hello everyone,
>
> >Thank you,
> >Jan
> >www.spamreasures99.com
>
> Hopefully with enough complaints to ab...@qwest.net, your spam will be
> halted.

I don't really understand your message. I'm new in this thing called
blogs and was told to introduce myself and to ask if anyone was
interested in talking about the problems they have with online
businesses. I have no clue to what a usenet is or what type of stuff
you talk about. That's what I'm trying to learn. So I don't care what
you think, I'm not spamming, just trying to figure out how this darn
thing works and was following the advise of google in trying to find
the right blogs to go to.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 2:06 am
From: "catseyes99@gmail.com"

On Nov 29, 3:13 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Always trust a poster from gmail with a web site that has no contact
> information.

I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you giving advise to trust
posters with gmail and no contact information or are you saying that I
don't have any contact information? I'm completely new at this and
find it confusing. I'm trying to find blogs that talk about their
online businesses and their problems with them. If you have a problem
with it, that's fine. I'm just trying to find a blog that fits my
interests and was told to introduce myself and get my feet wet.
I also don't understand what you mean about no contact information? My
gmail address is listed. Is there suppose to be more than that. I
didn't see any on your profile when I clicked on your name. Is there
somewhere else that I should go to for placing my contact information.
I really don't want to give out more than what is needed though.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 2:54 am
From: Anthony Matonak

>> catseye...@gmail.com wrote: <spam, spam, spam, wonderful spam>
>
> I don't really understand your message. I'm new in this thing called
> blogs and was told to introduce myself and to ask if anyone was
> interested in talking about the problems they have with online
> businesses. I have no clue to what a usenet is or what type of stuff
> you talk about. That's what I'm trying to learn. So I don't care what
> you think, I'm not spamming, just trying to figure out how this darn
> thing works and was following the advise of google in trying to find
> the right blogs to go to.

A good suggestion is to try to learn before you put your foot in it.

Try using www.google.com to find out what usenet is first.
Here, I will help and give you a link.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=usenet+faq&btnG=Google+Search

Usenet is not a blog. Ironically, one of the major problems with
online businesses is their wanton pollution of usenet with their
spam, just like what you did.

I don't care what you think, you were spamming. If you really are
just ignorant about usenet then you can learn and never make such
a mess in public again.

Anthony

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Ways to make money online / Earn $ 10000 per Month
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/915482e1a7f40b06?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 2:30 am
From: eliza2cool@gmail.com

Ways to make money online with a computer. Money making opportunities
Make Money Online with Home Business Opportunities. Make Money at Home
on your
Computer.

For More Details Check the Links Below:

http://topmoneymakingprograms-martina.blogspot.com/

http://solutionformakingmoneyonline.blogspot.com/

http://accessmoneyonline.blogspot.com/

P.S - The Key To Making Money Online Is Knowing How And Where To
Start.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: cheapest wholesale Air JORDAN MAX CHANEL LV PARDA GUCCI( www.shoes-ec.
com)
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a3796e4b837a826a?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 3:07 am
From: yifeng01@gmail.com

hello ! ! !welcome to visit our website:

http://www.shoes-ec.com
Our main products : shoes Hoodies T-Shirt Jeans Jacket bags
Electronic and so on

we can supply many popular shoes model,bag,clothes ,bikini,sunglass
and watch and so on. We can give you products with good quality and
reasonable price! We are looking forward to do business with you. Do
not hesitate and contact with us!

our website:

http://www.shoes-ec.com
e have so many good quality and funny products.
we accept paypal,honest suppliers also will save your charges.
LOOKing for some partners,sell products together,you receive
payment,pay us by paypal,we ship to your customers

Our main products are:

Shoes

Nike shoes,such as air Jordan,air force one,Tn,air max
90/93/95/97/2003/2005/2006,shox TL,R4,NZ,Turbo,james lebron,Nike air
rift.

Prada,Adidas,Puma,Timberland,Bapesta,G-unit,Ice Cream

Bags
Chanel bags,Louis Vuitton bags,Gucci bags,Hermes bags,Coach bags

Clothes
Lacoste,Seven,Evisu,Levi's,Bape,Red Monkey and so on.

Hoody Jacket Jeans Coat

Watches such as Chael,Rolex...

Suglasses like Chanel,Gucci,Dior...

first : drop ship business
MOQ : one pair up
model Sizes:US8--13 with true sizes.
Package: box+Retro Cards
Shipment: DHL, EMS, TNT, UPS, etc.
Shipping time: in 5 business days
Service:Door to door directly to your clients with guaranteed
Shipping.
profit : save the shipping fee and trouble of you to ship the
items to your clients
Payment:paypal or western untion
second: bulk business
MOQ : 10 pair up
model Sizes:US8--13 with true sizes.
Package: box+Retro Cards
Shipment: DHL, EMS, TNT, UPS, etc.
Shipping time: in 5 or 6 business days
Service:Door to door directly to your with guaranteed
Shipping.
profit : you can get more shoes for you to keep in your
store or stock with a little

our website:

http://www.shoes-ec.com
MAILER-shoesec@gmail.com
shoesec@yahoo.com.cn products 100% authentic
MSN: shoes-ec@hotmail.com

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Who is Jesus?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d4bb018b9e404ec8?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 3:24 am
From: aassime abdellatif

Who is Jesus?

Without a doubt, you have often heard the claim that Jesus is God, the
second person in the "Holy trinity." However, the very Bible which is
used as a basis for knowledge about Jesus and as the basis for
doctrine within Christianity clearly belies this claim. We urge you to
consult your own Bible and verify that the following conclusions are
not drawn out of context:

1. God is All Knowing.....but Jesus was not
When speaking of the day of judgment, Jesus clearly gave evidence of a
limitation on his knowledge when he said, "but of that day and hour
knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in Heaven, neither the
son, but the Father." Mark 13:32, and Matt 24:36. But God knows all.
His knowledge is without any limitations. That Jesus, of his own
admission, did not know when the day of judgment would be, is clear
proof that Jesus is not all-knowing, and that Jesus is therefore not
God.

2. God is All Powerful.....but Jesus was not
While Jesus performed many miracles, he himself admitted that the
power he had was not his own but was derived from God when he said,
"Verily, verily I say unto you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but
what he seeth the Father do..." St. John 5:19. Again he said, "I can
of mine own self do nothing: as I hear I judge: and my judgment is
just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father
which hath sent me." St. John 5:30. But God is not only all-powerful,
He is also the source of all power and authority. That Jesus, of his
own admission, could do nothing on his own is clear proof that Jesus
is not all-powerful, and that therefore Jesus is not God.

3. God does not have a God.....but Jesus did have a God.
God is the ultimate judge and refuge for all, and He does not call
upon nor pray to any others. But Jesus acknowledged that there was one
whom he worshipped and to whom he prayed when he said, "l ascend unto
my Father and your Father, and to my God and your God." St. John
20:17. He is also reported to have cried out while on the cross, "My
God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Matt 27:46. If Jesus were God,
then couldn't this be read, "Myself, myself why hast thou forsaken
me?" Would that not be pure nonsense? When Jesus prayed the Lord's
prayer (Luke 11:2-4), was he praying to himself? When in the garden of
Gethsemane he prayed, "O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup
pass from me: Nevertheless not as I will but as thou wilt." Matt
26:36-39. Was Jesus praying to himself? That Jesus, of his own
admission and by his own actions, acknowledged, worshipped, and prayed
to another being as God is clear proof that Jesus himself is not God.

4. God is an invisible spirit.....but Jesus was flesh and blood
While thousands saw Jesus and heard his voice, Jesus himself said that
this could not be done with God when he said. "No man hath seen God at
any time." St. John 1:18. '"Ye have neither heard His voice at any
time nor seen His shape." St. John 5:37. He also said in St. John
4:24. "God is a spirit and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit and in truth." That Jesus would say that no one had seen or
heard God at any time, while his followers both saw and heard him, is
clear proof that Jesus was not God.

5. No one is greater than God and no one can direct Him but Jesus
acknowledged someone greater than himself whose will was distinct from
his own.
Perhaps the clearest indication we have that Jesus and God are not
equal, and therefore not one and the same, come again from the mouth
of Jesus himself who said in St. John 14:28, "My Father is greater
than I." When someone referred to him as good master in Matt 19:17,
Jesus responded, "Why callest thou me good? There is none good but
one, that is God..." Furthermore, Jesus drew clear distinctions
between himself and God when he said, "I proceeded forth and came from
God, neither came I of myself but He sent me." St. John 8:42. Jesus
gave clear evidence of his subordination to God, rather than his
equality with God,when he said in Luke 22:42, "not my will but thine
be done" and in St. John 5:30, "I seek not mine own will but the will
of the Father which hath sent me." That Jesus would admit that he did
not come into the world on his own initiative but was directed to do
so, that he would acknowledge another being as greater than himself,
and that he would negate his own will in deference to affirming the
will of another, give clear proof that Jesus is not the Supreme One
and therefore Jesus is not God.

Conclusion
The Church recognizes the Bible as the primary source of knowledge
about God and Jesus. But since the Bible makes it clear that Jesus is
not the Supreme Being and the Supreme Being is not Jesus, upon what
basis have you come to believe otherwise?

My brother or sister, the belief that the Supreme Being is a Trinity
is false and completely inconsistent with the words of Jesus as
presented in the Bible. God is one, not three. He is a perfect unity.

If you are interested in the truth about God and your relationship to
Him, we invite you to investigate the religion of Islam.

What is the word of God about Jesus:

A. Regarding Sonship of Jesus:
That is Jesus, son of Mary, in word of truth, concerning which they
are doubting. It is not for God to take a son unto Him. Glory be to
Him! When He decrees a thing he but says to it "Be", and it is.
(Qur'an 19:34,35).

And they say, 'The All-merciful has taken unto Himself a son.' You
have indeed advanced something hideous. The heavens are well nigh rent
of it and the earth split asunder, and the mountains well nigh fall
down crashing for that they have attributed to the All-Merciful a son;
and it behoves not the All-Merciful to take a son. None is there in
the heavens and earth but comes to the All-Merciful as a servant
(Qur'an 19:88-93).

Truly the likeness of Jesus, in God's sight, is as Adam's likeness; He
created him of dust, then said He unto him, "Be", and he was. (Qur'an
3:59).

People of the Book, go not beyond the bounds in your religion, and say
not as to God but the Truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only
the Messenger of God, and His Word that He committed to Mary, and a
spirit from Him. So believe in God and His Messengers. and say not,
'Three', Refrain, better is it for you. God is only One God. Glory be
on Him - that He should have a son! To Him belongs that which is in
the heavens and on the earth, God suffices for a guardian. (Qur'an
4:171)

B. Regarding Jesus being God:
And when God said. 'O Jesus son of Mary,did you say unto men, "Take me
and my mother as gods, apart from God?" He Said, 'To You be Glory! It
is not mine to say what I have no right to. If I indeed said it, You
knew it, knowing what is within my soul, and I do not know what is
within Your soul; You know the things unseen. I only said to them what
You did command me: "Serve God, my Lord and your Lord." And I was a
witness over them, while I remained among them; but when You did take
me to Yourself the Watcher over them; You are the witness of
everything. (Quran 5:116,117)

C. Regarding Crucifiction of Jesus:
And for their unbelief, and their uttering against Mary a mighty
calumny, and for their saying, 'We slew the Messiah, Jesus son of
Mary, the Messenger of God'...yet they did not slay him, neither
crucified him, only a likeness of that was shown to them. Those who
are at variance concerning him surely are in doubt regarding him, they
have no knowledge of him, except the following of surmise; and they
did not slay him of certainty... no indeed, God raised him up to Him;
God is Almighty, All-Wise. There is not one of the people of the Book
but will assuredly believe in him before his death, and on the
Resurrection Day he will be a witness against them. (Qur'an
4:156-159)

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Online Porn
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/937c0e672388f6f0?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 5:03 am
From: egfryew9

Good site that featured some interesting issues and viewpoints.Very
entertaining and tons of free adult entertainment!Lisa--24 Hours Of
Porn--http://www.24hoursofporn.com

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Free Hat for Plasma User Survey
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/81299eea06fbcdeb?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 5:47 am
From: "TheBestFreebies.com"

Please take a minute to complete our plasma user survey.
For your time, we'll send you a free m3plasma hat.

--
The Best Freebies

All free products are available at http://TheBestFreebies.com/ and
are intended for families, businesses, and individuals residing in
the United States, Canada, and the United Kingdom.

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Milenko Kindl eij
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/48cdbeb28634912c?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 6:20 am
From: Milenko Kindl

OMAHA, Neb. - With extra security on hand and holiday shoppers waiting
at the doors, the Westroads Mall reopened Saturday morning, three days
after a gunman killed eight people and himself at the mall's Von Maur
store.
ADVERTISEMENT

The store, however, remained closed. A spokeswoman said there is no
timetable for its reopening, but the company hopes it will be soon.

Yellow holiday lights brightened Von Maur's exterior, but its main
entryway remained dark.

Outside the mall, two Red Cross vans and a Salvation Army unit were
set up near the food court entrance.

Early shoppers faced wind-chill temperatures of only two degrees above
zero before trickling into the food court or the mall proper, even
before most of the retailers had raised their security gates.

Mall security videotape released Friday shows Robert Hawkins entering
the Von Maur department store Wednesday, leaving, then returning about
six minutes later, clutching his midsection as if hiding something and
stalking toward the elevators.

Police did not release video from the third floor where Hawkins fired
the gun. But a still image taken from the videotape shows Hawkins with
his sleeves rolled up, aiming his AK-47.

Milenko Kindl
Banja Luka
Bajaluka

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Get rid of your financial headaches in 2008
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/56470b01b80333ff?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 6:54 am
From: hylux777

Hi Everyone

If like me, you're sick and tired of living from paycheck to
paycheck,
and stressing about money...then its time to change this!

No one can do this for you. Only you can make a change today that
will
impact the rest of your life and beyond. So give this a try and see
what happens!

The best online income opportunity. Operate your own ebusiness.
http://www.fastdata cash.com/ in.php?ix= 777

GOOD LUCK!

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Christmas big ritual
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8a825f9d9265bea7?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 7:00 am
From: cheapeshopcn1@gmail.com

The celebration Christmas day soon arrival, the company promotes
thegrand expense,

so long as the customer spend 99usd, may select andpurchase a coat in
the shop, pair of pants, with a pair of shoe, leteach person's
Christmas all are such joy
A:1shoes+1cloth+1jeans=99usd
B:1shoes+1cloth+1jeans+1handbag=119usd
C:12product(shoes,cloth,jeans)=319 usd
you can visit www.cheapeshop.cn

==============================================================================
TOPIC: I think I'll keep him!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fe8f58d5585f2ecd?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 7:40 am
From: "Gwyneð Bennetdottir"

My husband is full of surprises. The other day he actually fixed the
most wonderful meatloaf I've ever tasted. Then he fed me, hat a
romantic!! I didn't think he had it in him!! Anyway I had to brag a
little and post a photo. Ladies, there IS hope! :-)

http://tinyurl.com/2eeywt

==============================================================================
TOPIC: Thanks Paulson, you can have it all in real estate
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8fd79ad4b8916c75?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 8:05 am
From: Quality_is_job_one

"I just wanted to give a little DC insight on the bail out
announcement from this week. Now I am hardly a DC insider, but I can
see politics affect things at work on occasion.

"Oddly enough, the immediate pressure of politics doesn't usually
change much of the substance of what happens (remember I am not in the
legislative branch - that may be much different). When a scandal broke
in the papers about something that my office regulates, we didn't
completely shift gears. We went back to see if what we already had in
the pipeline would help. We documented how it would help. And believe
me, a bit of what we were planning got into some higher level speeches
than it otherwise would have.

"You have to look at what was announced in this light. There was
already pressure on the lenders/investors to allow modification of
loans to prevent some foreclosures. It was a little political and a
lot public opinion. They needed to do at least a little so they would
have something to announce to the public to not look like complete
bastards. And they needed to do something to keep a law from being
passed. Even a law being written up and proposed would have cost them
a small fortune in lobbying fees to kill, so cutting this off at the
pass was important.

"I am sure the administration wanted to keep anything from happening
in Congress too. Proposing a small compromise and declaring it a
solution to a big problem is something this administration has done
before (think stem cell research) and it worked for them. Also, this
president is a little obsessed with symbols of leadership.

"So, you have private companies planning to allow a few workouts on a
piecemeal basis anyway, an administration that wants to "lead" but
also wants to cut off the chance of a really big proposal from
Congress.

"Enter Secretary Paulson.

"He puts together a coalition of lenders and tells them to hash out
the standards they would be willing to implement for stalling on ARM
resets. Exactly what they would have been doing on their own anyway,
but all together so no one gets dinged for not doing as much as the
next guy. They hash it out a bit quicker than they otherwise would
have. And Paulson gets the credit. The president makes the official
announcement, but he is really very distanced from this. It has all
been sold as Paulson's doing. I'm sure it was. But if it was something
that everyone loved, the president would have been seen as closer to
it.

"Because they all had to agree to it, I bet this is a little less
generous to the FBs than some of them would have come up with
themselves (more generous than others), though it is probably
happening more quickly than they would have managed. I don't see this
as the start of some avalanche of more and more help for FBs. This is
about all they are going to get under this administration. A
democratic president and congress might have tried to do more, but
they would have found it very difficult to pull it off - pay as you go
being the biggest block and they are very fond of that since it
distances them from the current administration.

"And the negative reaction that a lot of the media is reporting isn't
going to inspire any more big efforts.

"Just trying to calm down some of the frazzled nerves around here."

-from

www.thehousingbubbleblog.com -

==============================================================================
TOPIC: 5 Best Tips to Earn online
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d460f3165bdb9e75?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 9:12 am
From: Maria_Stylish

http://www.dmDigitalMusic.com/money

Pls visit the site and post ur comments thanks

==============================================================================
TOPIC: 5 Best Tips to Earn online with Goooooooooooooooooogle A.d.s.e.n.s.e
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ce51855e8703839f?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 9:17 am
From: Maria_Stylish

http://www.dmDigitalMusic.com/money

Pls visit the site and post ur comments thanks

==============================================================================
TOPIC: change
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/dada351212be093e?hl=en
==============================================================================

== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Dec 8 2007 9:45 am
From: bob@coolgroups.com

Let's say you have amassed a large collection of change (pennies,
dimes, nickels).

What is the smartest way to deal with it quickly?

==============================================================================

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "misc.consumers.frugal-living"
group.

To post to this group, visit http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living?hl=en

To unsubscribe from this group, send email to misc.consumers.frugal-living-unsubscribe@googlegroups.com

To change the way you get mail from this group, visit:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/subscribe?hl=en

To report abuse, send email explaining the problem to abuse@googlegroups.com

==============================================================================
Google Groups: http://groups.google.com?hl=en

Frugal Living

Blog Archive

Saturday, December 8, 2007

25 new messages in 17 topics - digest

No comments: