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Tuesday, February 26, 2008

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TOPIC: => Hotel puts Bounty on Lowlife Smokers <= yeeeeee haaaaaaaaaa!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/975764619312320f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 6:43 pm
From: "Reality_Check©"

"max" <betatron@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:betatron-2000D3.20171025022008@news.ftupet.com...
> In article <srhi-07B1B0.20201825022008@comcast.dca.giganews.com>,
> Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> In article <fpvkm5$vik$1@aioe.org>,
>> "Realtitty_Chick@þÜ-T®Ø££" <Smelling.Butts@my.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Troll, legal professor and cheapskate expert, shot the bull
>> > "Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> > news:srhi-1A2E0E.07320525022008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>> > > In article
>> > > <4b4e48b4-0c14-4da3-a494-b1024fcc86d3@z70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
>> > > poopfesterszen.joneznuts@yahoo.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Since stupidity like this ain't law, nobody has to pay them
>> > >> anything, in fact they may find themselves an unsatisfied guest
>> > >> and refute any charges from them.
>> > >>
>> > >> That would make it smokers stay for free.
>> > >
>> > > Wrong. If you agree to stay at a hotel, you sign a registration form
>> > > when you check in and (unless you pre-pay) the hotel has your credit
>> > > card information and your authorization to charge any additional fees
>> > > they may deem necessary such as use of the in-room telephone.
>> > >
>> > > As you smokers have said many times, private businesses should have
>> > > the
>> > > right to decide for themselves if they should allow smoking or not.
>> > > This
>> > > hotel chain has clearly decided to ban smoking in its hotels. You as
>> > > a
>> > > customer are free not to stay there, but once you sign a registration
>> > > slip and check into a room there, you agree to abide by their rules,
>> > > including not smoking in your hotel room. You also agree to pay for
>> > > any
>> > > goods and services you may use, including the hotel having to
>> > > fumigate
>> > > your room after you check out if you violate the terms of the
>> > > contract
>> > > YOU signed when you checked in.
>> > >
>> > > Violating a signed contract absolutely IS a legal issue.
>> >
>> >
>> > I am totaly amazed a cheep ass like you ain't got it figured out.
>> > is it too hard for you dumbo?
>>
>> I am not the one who's contemplating violating an agreement you freely
>> signed. It seems to me that it would be much easier to simply abide by
>> the agreement you sign when you check-in or stay elsewhere. Oh, right!
>> You smokers know nothing of self-discipline and responsibility.
>
> heh. years ago, a hotel in chicago had a science fiction convention.
> They'd taken most of the hotel non-smoking, but had a few rooms that
> allowed it. One guy got one of the mini-suites and turned it into the
> "smokers Con suite" which brought most of the smokers from a 3000 person
> convention through his room for extended smoke breaks.
>
> The hotel had to strip the room bare and shampoo every surface. oops.

Further proof that smokers are lowlife stinky maggots ...

>
> .max

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TOPIC: Do Not Call List
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4734645f2226d599?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 7:06 pm
From: The Real Bev

Al Bundy wrote:

> On Feb 25, 5:26 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Have you ever wondered what happens when you turn in one of the
>> telemarketing bastards to the feds? I asked. Here's what they said:
>>
>> ========================================================================
>> Thank you for your message.
>>
>> While the FTC does not take action based upon individual consumer
>> complaints, your complaint helps us investigate fraud, and can lead to
>> law enforcement action. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing, identity
>> theft and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer Sentinel(r), a
>> secure, online database available to hundreds of civil and criminal law
>> enforcement agencies worldwide. If you are having a particularly
>> difficult problem with telemarketers, other options include contacting
>> your State Attorney General's office, a local Better Business Bureau,
>> and/or your local telephone carrier.
>>
>> You may wish to file complaints each time that you receive a call that
>> you believe is covered. If you wish to include more information about a
>> complaint or believe you have been the victim of fraud, you can also
>> direct consumer complaints to eitherwww.ftc.govor 1-877-FTC-HELP.
>>
>> For information regarding actions the FTC has taken with regard to the
>> National Do Not Call Registry, please visit our online Media Center at
>> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/donotcall/mediacenter.html.
>> =======================================================================
>>
>> Shorter version: "Nothing."
>
> You can't expect the government to be your private attorney. If yours
> was the only complaint on the telemarketer that they received, I
> certainly hope they would do nothing and save the taxpayer's money. If
> your complaint adds up with others to something substantial, then they
> should act and your complaint will have been part of that action.

Yeah, but they don't say that. They put your complaint into a database
accessible to some number of law enforcement agencies. Period. The
only people who call me are more-or-less local home-improvement people,
the same people who hire the homeless to hang ads on your doorknob, and
I don't think the feds would be all that interested in going after them.

> In fact, you didn't even have a complaint and they told you what they
> would do and provided other direction.

I turned somebody in and then wondered if there was any point in doing
it. Apparently not. I don't want to sue the bastards, I want to see
them strung up by their privates. I don't think you can get that in
small claims court.

Probably more satisfying to just loudly berate the callers.

--
Cheers,
Bev
O_________________________________________________O
"John Wayne toilet paper -- It's rough, it's tough,
and it don't take no crap from nobody."

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 8:10 pm
From: "ChairMan"

In news:0oLwj.72$MK3.14@newsfe02.lga,
The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com>spewed forth:
> Al Bundy wrote:
>
>> On Feb 25, 5:26 pm, The Real Bev <bashley101+use...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Have you ever wondered what happens when you turn in one of the
>>> telemarketing bastards to the feds? I asked. Here's what they
>>> said:
>>> ========================================================================
>>> Thank you for your message.
>>>
>>> While the FTC does not take action based upon individual consumer
>>> complaints, your complaint helps us investigate fraud, and can lead
>>> to law enforcement action. The FTC enters Internet, telemarketing,
>>> identity theft and other fraud-related complaints into Consumer
>>> Sentinel(r), a secure, online database available to hundreds of
>>> civil and criminal law enforcement agencies worldwide. If you are
>>> having a particularly difficult problem with telemarketers, other
>>> options include contacting your State Attorney General's office, a
>>> local Better Business Bureau, and/or your local telephone carrier.
>>>
>>> You may wish to file complaints each time that you receive a call
>>> that you believe is covered. If you wish to include more
>>> information about a complaint or believe you have been the victim
>>> of fraud, you can also direct consumer complaints to
>>> eitherwww.ftc.govor 1-877-FTC-HELP. For information regarding actions
>>> the FTC has taken with regard to
>>> the National Do Not Call Registry, please visit our online Media
>>> Center at
>>> http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/donotcall/mediacenter.html.
>>> =======================================================================
>>>
>>> Shorter version: "Nothing."
>>
>> You can't expect the government to be your private attorney. If yours
>> was the only complaint on the telemarketer that they received, I
>> certainly hope they would do nothing and save the taxpayer's money.
>> If your complaint adds up with others to something substantial, then
>> they should act and your complaint will have been part of that
>> action.
>
> Yeah, but they don't say that. They put your complaint into a
> database accessible to some number of law enforcement agencies. Period.
> The only people who call me are more-or-less local
> home-improvement people, the same people who hire the homeless to
> hang ads on your doorknob, and I don't think the feds would be all
> that interested in going after them.
>> In fact, you didn't even have a complaint and they told you what they
>> would do and provided other direction.
>
> I turned somebody in and then wondered if there was any point in doing
> it. Apparently not. I don't want to sue the bastards, I want to see
> them strung up by their privates. I don't think you can get that in
> small claims court.
>
> Probably more satisfying to just loudly berate the callers.

A whistle works real well too

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 9:07 pm
From: The Real Bev

ChairMan wrote:

> The Real Bev <bashley101+usenet@gmail.com>spewed forth:
>
>> I turned somebody in and then wondered if there was any point in doing
>> it. Apparently not. I don't want to sue the bastards, I want to see
>> them strung up by their privates. I don't think you can get that in
>> small claims court.
>>
>> Probably more satisfying to just loudly berate the callers.
>
> A whistle works real well too

That's in my purse, but I always have my voice and can sound really
vicious when I want to.

--
Cheers,
Bev
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"America is at an awkward stage: it is too late to work within the
system, but it is too early to shoot the bastards." -Claire Wolfe

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TOPIC: EMBARQ DSL - is this considered a "normal" deal? Experiences with
EMBARQ DSL?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/18dfecd1b8a50883?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 7:45 pm
From: "Dave"

"Doc" <docsavage20@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1c312c4c-536c-4af2-8bce-d9421d9c9365@m23g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> I've been thinking of getting DSL. EMBARQ offers what at first glance
> seems like a decent deal 19.95/mo but looking at the "fine print" I'm
> a bit put off.
>
> -$99 "early termination fee". - So, if you decide the service stinks
> and find a better provider, you're obliged to pay them for
> approximately the equivalent of 5 months of service to get out of it.
> They don't specify what "early" means as far as earlier than what.

That's the real dealbreaker there.

>
> But...
>
> -EMBARQ may cancel services or susbstitute similar services at its
> sole discretion without notice - How the hell about that. Are they
> gonna pay me a $99 early termination fee?
>
> -No minimum level of speed is guaranteed.

(snip)

Ummmm, you are shopping for DSL. They have to state that no minimum level
of speed is guaranteed. Speed of DSL is dependent on line length and line
condition. Both are unknown quantities unless you want to pay the phone
company to run a brand new line from the CO to your computer area. (You
don't want to know what that would cost.)
Best the phone company can do is ESTIMATE line length from the CO to your
house, and then give you a rough estimate of what speed your DSL -might- be,
after line is provisioned and modem is installed. To over-simplify, shorter
wire length equals faster connection, assuming that the line condition is
OK.
This is not weasel wording by the phone company. The phone company can not
tell you what speed your connection will be until AFTER DSL is "live" at
your house. Therefore, no minimum level of speed is guaranteed. And yes,
they have to spell that out in writing, just so they won't get sued when
that ultra-reliable 800K connection was advertised as "up to 1.5M" or
something like that, and some ignorant consumer misinterpreted that as a
speed guarantee...
I'm not calling you ignorant, btw. It's just that, if you understood the
technology better, you wouldn't be worried about the phone company stating
that no minimum level of speed is guaranteed. All they are really saying is
"We don't have a crystal ball".

> -Taxes, fees and surcharges are additional, subject to change without
> notice and BASED ON NON-PROMOTIONAL, STANDARD MONTHLY RATE. - So,
> they're going to play "let's pretend" and tax you on more than you're
> paying.

No, here they are saying that they are going to jack your rates way up after
a few months. Typical, and another dealbreaker.

>
> -Additonal restrictions apply - Well, I'm sure that can only be good
> news.
>
> Oh, and they charge 14.95 to ship a modem and a $15 activation fee.

That's about right. Sometimes DSL providers will run specials where the
equipment charge and activation fee are waived. But $30 total shipped and
activated? That's actually pretty cheap.

> Is this all "normal" as far as such services? Anyone here using
> EMBARQ? Thoughts?
>
> Any providers out there that don't have all these kinds of caveats?

Based on what you wrote, I would steer clear of embarq. DSL is awesome,
MUCH more reliable than cable. Comparing DSL to cable is not really fair.
Cable can be faster, but DSL is more for people who care about CONSISTENT
connection speed. I've seen the same cable modem connection run faster than
DSL and SLOWER than DSL, in the same day. It totally depends on what your
neighbors are up to. With DSL, it's always fairly fast, and there are no
slowdowns, like right after schools let out for the day and the heavy
downloads begin. Now some moron is going to pipe up and say "but it's all
shared bandwidth". Yup, and with DSL, it is shared at a level where it
doesn't affect YOUR connection. So it's more accurate to say that cable
bandwidth is shared, whereas DSL bandwidth is more or less dedicated to YOUR
line.

If you can get DSL from a good provider without a huge early termination
fee, I'd suggest you try it. But don't expect a speed guarantee upfront,
and DO expect to be much happier with DSL than you will ever be with a cable
modem. Unfortunately, where we live, we can't get DSL, so I'm stuck with
cable modem. :( -Dave

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TOPIC: good customer service at walmart
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 8:43 pm
From: "Don K"

While visiting my wife's elderly aunt and uncle in Nevada, I got assigned the task
of "fixing" the new VCR/DVD combo they had bought.

Their old VCR broke, and all they want is to be able to record Judge Judy,
Jeopardy, etc. while they're out and then watch them later.

Looking at what they bought, I saw that it wasn't going to work because
the new VCR/DVD didn't have a built-in tuner. I called the cable company
and found that it would cost $10 per month to rent a cable box with video
output.

I checked whether BestBuy or Circuit City sold external tuners that
tuned the basic cable channels, but they didn't have anything.

So the only recourse was to return the VCR/DVD to Walmart.

The only problem was they had bought it "sometime last month", they
threw away the box, and they threw away the receipt.

So I go into Walmart, tell them I'm from out-of-town, and live 2500 miles
away, but my wife's 90-year-old aunt bought this VCR combo from them
last month, in order to tape Judge Judy, but she can't, because she didn't
know she needed a tuner, and she threw away the box, and she threw
away the receipt, and I know it's not Wal-Mart's fault at all, but would
they be willing to allow me to exchange it anyway?

Of course the customer service clerk referred me to the electronics
manager, who patiently listened to my story, and said, "hmmm, I guess
we could mark it up as 'doesn't record' ".

Anyway, they gave a full store credit refund!
A lot of people like to complain about Walmart, but IMO, they do
have very impressive customer service.

Don

P.S.
I ended up buying them a DVD recorder with tuner at a lower price.
Apparently VCR's are now antiques.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 25 2008 10:16 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

Chloe wrote:
> "Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> Almost all the Amish I knew had a one AAA Dorcy LED light. Just enough
>> light to get around and very small, but dependable.
>>
> Isn't that kind of cheating to use the technology? How is electricity
> through a battery different than electricity through wires (not
> scientifically, just on a belief system). Don't they still use
> candles or kerosene lamps?
>
> As I understand it, it's up to the local bishop to determine exactly to what
> extent use of "technology" is permissible within a given Amish community.

Although I'm no expert, it's my understanding that the Amish don't
reject technology completely. They simply believe that not all
technology is good. They choose to avoid using technology which they
feel cause more problems than it solves.

Other religions might choose to avoid smoking, gambling, alcohol or
sex with prostitutes for similar reasons. Sure, we might not be able
to get through the day without these things but are they really any
good for us?

Anthony

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14 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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