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TOPIC: Best frugal technology deal you've gotten
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/432b1da46fece658?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 2:49 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Jan 4, 7:36 am, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> What's the best technology deal you've gotten in the past couple of
> months?
>
> For me, it was the PNY 2 GB USB flash drive I picked up at Staples for
> $8.48 using a competitor's $15 off coupon. I actually got two of them, to
> replace the old 512 MB ones my wife and I were using.

Nothing...

There are needs and there are wants.

Almost everything we desire are wants...optional purchases.

The best technology deal is when you don't buy it.

Technology items depreciate incrediably quickly.

I am typing this on a computer that seven years old and it is far more
than is needed for this application.

I used to be at the leading/bleeding edge of technology
acquisition...after a few cycles I determined that it was NOT the best
place for optimization of my resources of time and money.

TMT

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 6:48 pm
From: me@privacy.net

Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Nothing...
>
>There are needs and there are wants.
>
>Almost everything we desire are wants...optional purchases.
>
>The best technology deal is when you don't buy it.
>
>Technology items depreciate incrediably quickly.
>
>I am typing this on a computer that seven years old and it is far more
>than is needed for this application.
>
>I used to be at the leading/bleeding edge of technology
>acquisition...after a few cycles I determined that it was NOT the best
>place for optimization of my resources of time and money.

Boy do I ever agree with the above!!!
I was same kind of person also!!

Question tho.... what IS the best place for
optimization of YOUR resources of time and money NOW?

Just curious what you do now

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TOPIC: Where Do You Shop For The BEST Value?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/2f38214f19f930c2?hl=en
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 2:57 pm
From: clams_casino

Too_Many_Tools wrote:

>On Feb 23, 1:37 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?
>>
>>TMT
>>
>>
>
>Anyone else?
>
>Considering that this IS the misc.consumers.frugal-living group I
>would expect this discussion to be one of the most active.
>
>Or does everyone look for WORST value when you have to purchase
>something?
>
>TMT
>
>

I buy all my cheap crappy shoes, designer bags and replica watches on line.

== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 3:40 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Feb 27, 2:07 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 23, 1:37 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?
>
> > TMT
>
> Anyone else?
>
> Considering that this IS the misc.consumers.frugal-living group I
> would expect this discussion to be one of the most active.
>
> Or does everyone look for WORST value when you have to purchase
> something?
>
> TMT

No...you see it's like this. We're all "frugal" so that means for the
most part we don't spend our money. Being extra frugal we can find
these quality items at garage sales, Craigslist or other non-
traditional outlets like Big Lots and Dollar Tree. Worst value would
be buying the latest 50 inch plasma TV at full retail price regardless
of what store sells it. There's not much return on the investment
(unless you're an extreme hedonist and value your pleasure over
everything else in life...and big TV's are your personal Nirvana).
But paying $3 for a Sunbeam radiant heat toaster at a garage
sale...now that's a great value because that thing will last another
20 years.

== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 4:07 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote

>> When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?

Depends entirely on what it is that needs to be bought.

> Anyone else?

> Considering that this IS the misc.consumers.frugal-living group
> I would expect this discussion to be one of the most active.

> Or does everyone look for WORST value when you have to purchase something?

Or they dont see any point in discussing where they get the best value.

== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 4:59 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 27, 5:40 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 27, 2:07 pm, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 23, 1:37 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?
>
> > > TMT
>
> > Anyone else?
>
> > Considering that this IS the misc.consumers.frugal-living group I
> > would expect this discussion to be one of the most active.
>
> > Or does everyone look for WORST value when you have to purchase
> > something?
>
> > TMT
>
> No...you see it's like this. We're all "frugal" so that means for the
> most part we don't spend our money. Being extra frugal we can find
> these quality items at garage sales, Craigslist or other non-
> traditional outlets like Big Lots and Dollar Tree. Worst value would
> be buying the latest 50 inch plasma TV at full retail price regardless
> of what store sells it. There's not much return on the investment
> (unless you're an extreme hedonist and value your pleasure over
> everything else in life...and big TV's are your personal Nirvana).
> But paying $3 for a Sunbeam radiant heat toaster at a garage
> sale...now that's a great value because that thing will last another
> 20 years.

I agree...that is what I am thinking when I say "great value". ;<)

TMT

== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 5:01 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 27, 6:07 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?
>
> Depends entirely on what it is that needs to be bought.
>
> > Anyone else?
> > Considering that this IS the misc.consumers.frugal-living group
> > I would expect this discussion to be one of the most active.
> > Or does everyone look for WORST value when you have to purchase something?
>
> Or they dont see any point in discussing where they get the best value.

Valid points.

Actually I would think that fugal buyers would want to discuss where
the bargains are....aren't we all looking for fugal buys when we have
to spend our hard earned money.

When I started the discussion, I was not looking for a list of store
names....fugal is where you find it.

TMT

== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 6:20 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Too_Many_Tools <too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote

>>>> When it comes to buying something, where do you find the best value?

>> Depends entirely on what it is that needs to be bought.

>>> Anyone else?
>>> Considering that this IS the misc.consumers.frugal-living group
>>> I would expect this discussion to be one of the most active.
>>> Or does everyone look for WORST value when you have to purchase something?

>> Or they dont see any point in discussing where they get the best value.

> Valid points.

> Actually I would think that fugal buyers would want to discuss where the bargains are....

Or maybe they feel that anyone reading here would already be aware of
the obvious places like ebay and craigslist and garage sales etc etc etc.

> aren't we all looking for fugal buys when we have to spend our hard earned money.

Sure, but I doubt that anyone can tell me about a place where I can do
that that I'm not already aware of with the vast bulk of the stuff I buy.

> When I started the discussion, I was not looking for a list of store names....fugal is where you find it.

Sure, but again, the obvious places like ebay and craigslist and the salvos etc
should be know to those who want to get the best value for what they buy.

I just bought an SD card reader from hongkong using ebay, for just $1, with free shipping
and am about to buy another because the first one works fine and its such excellent value.

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TOPIC: what do you all do when the battery in your battery back-up dies for
good?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/16424498e7324bb1?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 3:26 pm
From: "Bob F"

"http://www.ActorsNYC.us" <ray.normandeau@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:40f03ab7-d7e5-45c2-9028-576cd038f77e@j28g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 27, 1:39 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 26, 8:51 pm, Rick <ricka...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >www.Queensbridge.uswrote:
>
> > > I have a
> > > Conext and an Energizer that both died after a few years.
> > > Do you find a local source for cheap replacement batteries.
> > > It cost too much for shipping for mail-order.
>
> > > I bought last week a APC complete replacement unit for $20.00 AR at
> > > Staples.
> > > Is that the only way you would go, buy complete on sale
>
> > > Most mail order places want more then that when you add in shipping.
>
> > > please reply in NG or to
> > > batteries
> > > ....@7183921.Info
> > > which will close as soon as spam comes in
>
> >www.batteries.com
>
> > Low prices on batteries more than offset the shipping fees. I paid
> > $15.00 for an Energizer replacement battery there that Eveready wanted
> > $49.99 for. YMMV depending on the battery model you need, but thankfully
> > UPS batteries are usually limited to less than a half dozen standard
> > models.
>
> > The only "local source" that used to carry them in store was Radio
> > Schlock. (You didn't say where you are located so it's kind of hard to
> > define "local"...) But sealed lead acid batteries are now a web order
> > only item. Last I looked they only carried one or two SLA batteries in
> > stores for alarm systems. And Radio Shack store prices were a lot more
> > expensive than mail order with shipping fees.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I would check with an alarm company.
>
> Or check out Sears that sells sealed lead acid batteries for
> wheelchairs.
>
> OR watch out for specials for new UPSs...which will likely be cheaper
> than buying a new battery.
>

>well ... so far the last suggestions appears to be the most
>economical.

>when I mentioned local, what I meant was do people look for local
>sources wherever they are,
>medium to large cities.

There are a number of stores around my town that sell nothing but batteries of
many types. Could be worth check such places out.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 5:21 pm
From: Too_Many_Tools

On Feb 27, 5:26 pm, "Bob F" <bobnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "http://www.ActorsNYC.us" <ray.normand...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:40f03ab7-d7e5-45c2-9028-576cd038f77e@j28g2000hsj.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 27, 1:39 am, Too_Many_Tools <too_many_to...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26, 8:51 pm, Rick <ricka...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> > >www.Queensbridge.uswrote:
>
> > > > I have a
> > > > Conext and an Energizer that both died after a few years.
> > > > Do you find a local source for cheap replacement batteries.
> > > > It cost too much for shipping for mail-order.
>
> > > > I bought last week a APC complete replacement unit for $20.00 AR at
> > > > Staples.
> > > > Is that the only way you would go, buy complete on sale
>
> > > > Most mail order places want more then that when you add in shipping.
>
> > > > please reply in NG or to
> > > > batteries
> > > > ....@7183921.Info
> > > > which will close as soon as spam comes in
>
> > >www.batteries.com
>
> > > Low prices on batteries more than offset the shipping fees. I paid
> > > $15.00 for an Energizer replacement battery there that Eveready wanted
> > > $49.99 for. YMMV depending on the battery model you need, but thankfully
> > > UPS batteries are usually limited to less than a half dozen standard
> > > models.
>
> > > The only "local source" that used to carry them in store was Radio
> > > Schlock. (You didn't say where you are located so it's kind of hard to
> > > define "local"...) But sealed lead acid batteries are now a web order
> > > only item. Last I looked they only carried one or two SLA batteries in
> > > stores for alarm systems. And Radio Shack store prices were a lot more
> > > expensive than mail order with shipping fees.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I would check with an alarm company.
>
> > Or check out Sears that sells sealed lead acid batteries for
> > wheelchairs.
>
> > OR watch out for specials for new UPSs...which will likely be cheaper
> > than buying a new battery.
>
> >well ... so far the last suggestions appears to be the most
> >economical.
> >when I mentioned local, what I meant was do people look for local
> >sources wherever they are,
> >medium to large cities.
>
> There are a number of stores around my town that sell nothing but batteries of
> many types. Could be worth check such places out.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

True...but in my experience their pricing tends to be rather
expensive.

Again price a new USP with rebates before springing for a new
battery..sad but true.

TMT

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TOPIC: Forget oil, short the stock market
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f319c22ae17e49be?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 3:58 pm
From: "Bob F"

"George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
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> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
>> news:HgDvj.8660$5K1.6973@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
>>> RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious wrote:
>>>> Anyone can play this game I am seeing. It is a casino at this point.
>>>> Try utilizing QID, SDS,DOG, PSQ,SH,DXD among other exchange traded
>>>> funds to go short on the major US market indexes. That EWA is holding
>>>> on fine there RodSpeed. Either the big money desk traders are trying
>>>> to take the market down incrementally because positions are so screwed
>>>> up or else they are baiting the shorts to get stuck in short holdings
>>>> that will get squeezed.
>>>>
>>>> I am of the opinion that everything is market-based now. Thanks to
>>>> modern society, I can see gasoline go up in price daily, fluctuating
>>>> on oil prices. Real estate is market based, no firm prices there.
>>>> Health care? That is the next big thing that will be irking peoples of
>>>> the USA. Forget about jobs that go anywhere. We are looking at
>>>> massive containment of people for health benefits.
>>> Keep in mind that when but buy a stock your losses are limited to your
>>> investment but when you go short the losses have no limit.
>>
>> and there's never any guarantee that you can sell.
>>
>>
> I went short on a stock once. This was before the internet and I was
> checking the price on the phone hourly. After I few days I realized I did not
> have the stomach for this and cashed out.

You could have put in a protective order to close out the position if the stock
went up to much.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 4:37 pm
From: George Grapman

Bob F wrote:
> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
> news:AEEvj.7364$Ru4.1796@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>> "George Grapman" <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in message
>>> news:HgDvj.8660$5K1.6973@newssvr12.news.prodigy.net...
>>>> RodSpeed,_dividends_and_cash_flow_are_bubblicious wrote:
>>>>> Anyone can play this game I am seeing. It is a casino at this point.
>>>>> Try utilizing QID, SDS,DOG, PSQ,SH,DXD among other exchange traded
>>>>> funds to go short on the major US market indexes. That EWA is holding
>>>>> on fine there RodSpeed. Either the big money desk traders are trying
>>>>> to take the market down incrementally because positions are so screwed
>>>>> up or else they are baiting the shorts to get stuck in short holdings
>>>>> that will get squeezed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am of the opinion that everything is market-based now. Thanks to
>>>>> modern society, I can see gasoline go up in price daily, fluctuating
>>>>> on oil prices. Real estate is market based, no firm prices there.
>>>>> Health care? That is the next big thing that will be irking peoples of
>>>>> the USA. Forget about jobs that go anywhere. We are looking at
>>>>> massive containment of people for health benefits.
>>>> Keep in mind that when but buy a stock your losses are limited to your
>>>> investment but when you go short the losses have no limit.
>>> and there's never any guarantee that you can sell.
>>>
>>>
>> I went short on a stock once. This was before the internet and I was
>> checking the price on the phone hourly. After I few days I realized I did not
>> have the stomach for this and cashed out.
>
> You could have put in a protective order to close out the position if the stock
> went up to much.
>
>
True but let me add two points. This is in the pre-internet days
when it was harder to follow prices and then,as now, the broker assumes
no liability if the sorder is not followed,.

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TOPIC: How many therms (natural gas) do you use per day (per month)?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/99d004d38152f87d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 4:18 pm
From: "Bob F"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:WOYtj.1823$0M3.1385@newsfe17.lga...
> Donna Ohl, Grady Volunteer Coordinator wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:14:46 -0800, Anthony Matonak wrote:
>>
>>>I'm only one person but I average about 5 therms a month.
>>>
>>
>>Wow. 5 therms a month is extremely low, it seems to me.
>>
>>The US Department of Energy assumes the "average" houshold uses a bit less
>>than 1/2 a therm a day *just* for the water heater alone!
>>43,302 kJ/day = 41,045 Btu/day = 0.4105 therm/day
>>
>>That would be 15 therms a month just for hot water for the average
>>household in America. I wonder if Europe uses the same amount?
>>
>>
>
>
> We used 30 therms in both July / Aug (hot water & furnace pilot) - US.

When I had a furnace with a pilot light, I always shut it off except during the
heating season.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 4:23 pm
From: "Bob F"

"Rick Blaine" <dont@bother.com> wrote in message
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> CJT <abujlehc@prodigy.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>Do they ever actually meter therms, or measure ccf and convert?
>>It seems to me to actually measure the therms, they'd need to
>>continuously monitor the heating value of the gas being delivered,
>>and that seems quite difficult compared with just measuring cf.
>>Of course, assuming they've stripped the gas down to nearly pure
>>methane, the conversion is easy, but natural gas can vary according
>>to ethane and higher content.
>
>
> They do here... Meter reading is by CCF, then a conversion factor applied to
> get
> therm, multiplied by the rate per therm. The factor changes slightly every
> month...

Based upon the "heating value" of that month's gas, I assume.

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TOPIC: China's war against "white pollution"
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/36ce63b7a3878793?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 5:39 pm
From: PaPaPeng

China's biggest plastic bag maker closes after ban
Jonathan Watts in Beijing
The Guardian,
Wednesday February 27 2008

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/feb/27/china.plasticbags

China's war against "white pollution" has claimed its first
large-scale victim with the closure of the country's biggest plastic
bag manufacturer.

The shutdown of Suiping Huaqiang Plastic, which employs 20,000 people,
highlighted the social costs of a government drive to clean up one of
the world's most polluted environments.

It comes less than two months after the state banned production of
ultra-thin bags and ordered supermarkets to stop giving away free
carriers from June 1.

That surprise move - which went further than anything done by the US,
the UK and many other developed nations - was hailed by Greenpeace,
Earthwatch and other green groups as a sign of growing environmental
awareness in China.

But it was a disaster for the company, which earned most of its 2.2bn
yuan (£155m) income from the annual production of 250,000 tonnes of
bags.

The firm ceased production in mid-January, after the government
announced the new ban on bags under 0.025mm thick.

"Over 90% of our products are on the limit list, so the only way
forward for the factory is closure," a management official told the
Xinhua news agency. The closure is unlikely to be the last. Judging
from their speeches, Chinese leaders are increasingly anxious about
foul air, filthy water and unhealthy levels of pollutants. The
crackdown on plastic bags is part of a campaign against "white
pollution" - the term used to describe the visual eyesores caused by
Styrofoam trays and carrier bags, which snag on trees and get blown
far and wide by the wind.

Supermarkets give out 1bn plastic bags every day, while shops and
restaurants use double that amount. Plastic packaging accounts for an
estimated 5m tonnes of crude oil each year.

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TOPIC: Japan side 'to blame' for tainted foodstuffs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4bbbe8e2630a66bc?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 5:42 pm
From: PaPaPeng

Japan side 'to blame' for tainted foodstuffs
By Zhu Zhe (China Daily)
Updated: 2008-02-23 09:10
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2008-02/23/content_6478489.htm

The alleged contamination of Chinese-made frozen stuffed buns and
fried pork rolls exported to Japan was likely to have been caused by
loopholes at two Japanese wholly funded producers, China's top quality
watchdog said on Friday.

Japanese media reported on Tuesday that methamidophos, a pesticide,
was detected in two batches of frozen steamed stuffed buns from China.
Another pesticide, phorate, was also found in a batch of Chinese-made
fried pork rolls.

However, investigations found the two firms involved - Shandong Nicky
Foods Company and Qingqing Nicky Foods Company - are both wholly owned
subsidiaries of Nicky Foods Company in Osaka, Japan, the General
Administration of Quality Supervision, Inspection and Quarantine
(AQSIQ) said in a statement.

The administration said the companies followed Japanese production
procedures and standards, and were supervised by Japanese staff.

"The contamination is likely to have been caused by loopholes in the
producers' purchase of raw materials such as vegetables," it said,
indicating the companies might have bought from suppliers other than
designated export-oriented farms.

Meanwhile, another AQSIQ statement released on Friday said China had
suspended all exports from the Shandong-based Wangyu Aquatic Food
Company, whose mackerel products exported to Japan were allegedly
contaminated with dichlorvos.

However, it said the mackerel were originally caught in Denmark and
all flavorings except salt were provided by the Japanese importer.

Local quality authorities in Shandong also tested 18 samples from the
factory, including all raw materials and packages, but found no traces
of pesticide, according to AQSIQ.

These alleged contamination incidents, along with a food poisoning
case claimed to have been caused by unsafe frozen dumplings from China
two weeks ago, have sparked safety scares in Japan over Chinese-made
food products.

Both nations have pledged to cooperate in investigating these cases to
avoid damaging diplomatic relations.

AQSIQ said on Friday that a team of senior Chinese police officers,
including top criminal investigator Wu Guoqing and toxicologist Wang
Guiqiang, had arrived in Japan on Wednesday to help investigate the
dumpling case.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 27 2008 6:14 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

PaPaPeng <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Japan side 'to blame' for tainted foodstuffs
> By Zhu Zhe (China Daily)

Wota stunningly impeccible source for a claim like that...

> Updated: 2008-02-23 09:10
> http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/bizchina/2008-02/23/content_6478489.htm

> The alleged contamination of Chinese-made frozen
> stuffed buns and fried pork rolls exported to Japan

Nothing 'alleged' about it, it was real.

> was likely to have been caused by loopholes
> at two Japanese wholly funded producers,
> China's top quality watchdog said on Friday.

Wota stunningly impeccible source for a claim like that...

> Japanese media reported on Tuesday that methamidophos, a pesticide,
> was detected in two batches of frozen steamed stuffed buns from China.

Wota surprise.

> Another pesticide, phorate, was also found in a batch of Chinese-made fried pork rolls.

Wota surprise.

> However, investigations found the two firms involved - Shandong Nicky
> Foods Company and Qingqing Nicky Foods Company - are both wholly
> owned subsidiaries of Nicky Foods Company in Osaka, Japan,

Who got the ingredients from china, fuckwit.

> the General Administration of Quality Supervision,
> Inspection and Quarantine (AQSIQ) said in a statement.

As it desperately attempted to blame anyone but china for the problem.

> The administration said the companies followed Japanese production
> procedures and standards, and were supervised by Japanese staff.

And which clearly used ingredients sourced in china.

> "The contamination is likely to have been caused by loopholes in the
> producers' purchase of raw materials such as vegetables," it said,

As it desperately attempted to blame anyone but china for the problem.

> indicating the companies might have bought from
> suppliers other than designated export-oriented farms.

Or it might not have too.

> Meanwhile, another AQSIQ statement released on Friday said
> China had suspended all exports from the Shandong-based
> Wangyu Aquatic Food Company, whose mackerel products
> exported to Japan were allegedly contaminated with dichlorvos.

Funny that.

> However, it said the mackerel were originally caught in Denmark and
> all flavorings except salt were provided by the Japanese importer.

That aint a flavoring, fuckwit.

> Local quality authorities in Shandong also tested 18 samples
> from the factory, including all raw materials and packages,
> but found no traces of pesticide, according to AQSIQ.

As it desperately attempted to blame anyone but china for the problem.

> These alleged contamination incidents, along with a food poisoning case claimed
> to have been caused by unsafe frozen dumplings from China two weeks ago,

Which might just explain why whats currently in the factory isnt contaminated, fool.

> have sparked safety scares in Japan over Chinese-made food products.

Wota surprise.

> Both nations have pledged to cooperate in investigating
> these cases to avoid damaging diplomatic relations.

Fat lot of good that will do, they're damaged already, fool.

> AQSIQ said on Friday that a team of senior Chinese police officers, including
> top criminal investigator Wu Guoqing and toxicologist Wang Guiqiang, had
> arrived in Japan on Wednesday to help investigate the dumpling case.

And to blame anyone but china.

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