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TOPIC: Un-insulated water heater tank by woodstove!
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 6:59 am
From: "Bill"

As you may know, an electric water heater can be 30% of your electric
bill...

Well I got to thinking... I have this nice woodstove which puts out a lot of
heat and it is always 80 to 100 degrees (F) next to the woodstove.

Is there some way I can use this heat to "pre-heat" the water going into my
hot water heater????

Well I came up with an idea and tried it out. It works!

I got a used 50 gallon water heater at a recycling center. Then removed the
sheet metal cover and removed the insulation. So now I had just a bare metal
50 gallon tank. I painted it black as in theory black absorbs heat better.

Then I placed this tank next to my woodstove. Then disconnected the cold
water going to my hot water heater and ran that to the bottom (drain)
connection on the tank by the woodstove. Then ran a pipe going out the top
of the tank by the woodstove to the cold water inlet of my electric hot
water heater. (Cold into the bottom, warm out the top.)

Note: My electric water heater is located on the other side of the wall next
to my woodstove.

After just a few hours, the water coming out of the top of the tank by the
wood stove was about 70 degrees. (The water from the city going into the
tank is 40 degrees F.) At this point the bottom of the tank felt cold and
the top was not cold.

The next morning, the entire tank was slightly warm.

Anyway I am now "pre-heating" the water going to my hot water heater. So
instead of my water heater having to heat up 40 degree water, it will only
need to heat up water which will be from 70-80 degrees. Perhaps warmer if I
have the woodstove going full blast and have not used any hot water for a
while. So should save some $$ on my electric bill.

Building code note: Now that I see this idea works, I'm going to install the
tank next to my woodstove to "code"* like a water heater tank would be. That
is drip pan, T&P valve, and strapped to wall for earthquakes. *I don't
suppose code covers anything like this? I also installed a valve and pipe to
outside for draining the tank.

Temperature and "steam" note: The temperature next to my woodstove never
gets above 115 degrees F. and water boils at 212 degrees. So no possibility
of steam being created.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 7:17 am
From: Lawrence

On Mar 28, 8:59 am, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As you may know, an electric water heater can be 30% of your electric
> bill...
>
> Well I got to thinking... I have this nice woodstove which puts out a lot of
> heat and it is always 80 to 100 degrees (F) next to the woodstove.
>
> Is there some way I can use this heat to "pre-heat" the water going into my
> hot water heater????
>
> Well I came up with an idea and tried it out. It works!
>
> I got a used 50 gallon water heater at a recycling center. Then removed the
> sheet metal cover and removed the insulation. So now I had just a bare metal
> 50 gallon tank. I painted it black as in theory black absorbs heat better.
>
> Then I placed this tank next to my woodstove. Then disconnected the cold
> water going to my hot water heater and ran that to the bottom (drain)
> connection on the tank by the woodstove. Then ran a pipe going out the top
> of the tank by the woodstove to the cold water inlet of my electric hot
> water heater. (Cold into the bottom, warm out the top.)
>
> Note: My electric water heater is located on the other side of the wall next
> to my woodstove.
>
> After just a few hours, the water coming out of the top of the tank by the
> wood stove was about 70 degrees. (The water from the city going into the
> tank is 40 degrees F.) At this point the bottom of the tank felt cold and
> the top was not cold.
>
> The next morning, the entire tank was slightly warm.
>
> Anyway I am now "pre-heating" the water going to my hot water heater. So
> instead of my water heater having to heat up 40 degree water, it will only
> need to heat up water which will be from 70-80 degrees. Perhaps warmer if I
> have the woodstove going full blast and have not used any hot water for a
> while. So should save some $$ on my electric bill.
>
> Building code note: Now that I see this idea works, I'm going to install the
> tank next to my woodstove to "code"* like a water heater tank would be. That
> is drip pan, T&P valve, and strapped to wall for earthquakes. *I don't
> suppose code covers anything like this? I also installed a valve and pipe to
> outside for draining the tank.
>
> Temperature and "steam" note: The temperature next to my woodstove never
> gets above 115 degrees F. and water boils at 212 degrees. So no possibility
> of steam being created.

that sound like its working and and I see no question here. One
application that I have seen is to use a wood boiler to heat all of
your hot water with a heat exchanger. It can also be used to heat the
entire house in several different ways.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 8:16 am
From: "Lee K"

"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:654bunF2e2n0aU1@mid.individual.net...

> my > hot water heater????
>

Just curious: why is it that you want to heat hot water?

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 8:51 am
From: ransley

Get gas if you can, my electric water heater was 50% of my electric
bill or 35$ a month, my gas tankless costs me now 6$ a month. I kept
the tank to preheat water also.

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 9:34 am
From: "TKM"

"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:654bunF2e2n0aU1@mid.individual.net...
> As you may know, an electric water heater can be 30% of your electric
> bill...
>
> Well I got to thinking... I have this nice woodstove which puts out a lot
> of heat and it is always 80 to 100 degrees (F) next to the woodstove.
>
> Is there some way I can use this heat to "pre-heat" the water going into
> my hot water heater????
>
> Well I came up with an idea and tried it out. It works!
>
> I got a used 50 gallon water heater at a recycling center. Then removed
> the sheet metal cover and removed the insulation. So now I had just a bare
> metal 50 gallon tank. I painted it black as in theory black absorbs heat
> better.
>
> Then I placed this tank next to my woodstove. Then disconnected the cold
> water going to my hot water heater and ran that to the bottom (drain)
> connection on the tank by the woodstove. Then ran a pipe going out the top
> of the tank by the woodstove to the cold water inlet of my electric hot
> water heater. (Cold into the bottom, warm out the top.)
>
> Note: My electric water heater is located on the other side of the wall
> next to my woodstove.
>
> After just a few hours, the water coming out of the top of the tank by the
> wood stove was about 70 degrees. (The water from the city going into the
> tank is 40 degrees F.) At this point the bottom of the tank felt cold and
> the top was not cold.
>
> The next morning, the entire tank was slightly warm.
>
> Anyway I am now "pre-heating" the water going to my hot water heater. So
> instead of my water heater having to heat up 40 degree water, it will only
> need to heat up water which will be from 70-80 degrees. Perhaps warmer if
> I have the woodstove going full blast and have not used any hot water for
> a while. So should save some $$ on my electric bill.
>
> Building code note: Now that I see this idea works, I'm going to install
> the tank next to my woodstove to "code"* like a water heater tank would
> be. That is drip pan, T&P valve, and strapped to wall for earthquakes. *I
> don't suppose code covers anything like this? I also installed a valve and
> pipe to outside for draining the tank.
>
> Temperature and "steam" note: The temperature next to my woodstove never
> gets above 115 degrees F. and water boils at 212 degrees. So no
> possibility of steam being created.
>
Sounds like a great idea to me. That tank of warm water (I think such a
thing is also called a "tempering tank") also radiates heat back into your
space when the stove fire goes down and so the room should hold a more even
temperature. It's also an emergency water supply -- assuming you can get
the water in the tank out with no watter pressure if, for some reason the
main water supply fails.

Living on a farm many years ago, we had a similar arrangement. The
uninsulated hot water tank was placed next to the coal furnance to soak up
radiant heat and a loop of steel pipe went from the tank through the fire
box in the furnace to speed up the process. There was an auxiliary kerosene
heater also connected to the tank for heating water in the summertime.

TKM

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 9:38 am
From: ransley

If you have the time get another tank, put it outside with bypass
valves, when nightime temps are above incomming water temp let the
tank fill, the sun will heat it fast

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 9:55 am
From: Elmo

Bill said (on or about) 03/28/2008 09:59:
> As you may know, an electric water heater can be 30% of your electric
> bill...
>
> Well I got to thinking... I have this nice woodstove which puts out a lot of
> heat and it is always 80 to 100 degrees (F) next to the woodstove.
>
> Is there some way I can use this heat to "pre-heat" the water going into my
> hot water heater????
>
> Well I came up with an idea and tried it out. It works!
>
> I got a used 50 gallon water heater at a recycling center. Then removed the
> sheet metal cover and removed the insulation. So now I had just a bare metal
> 50 gallon tank. I painted it black as in theory black absorbs heat better.
>
> Then I placed this tank next to my woodstove. Then disconnected the cold
> water going to my hot water heater and ran that to the bottom (drain)
> connection on the tank by the woodstove. Then ran a pipe going out the top
> of the tank by the woodstove to the cold water inlet of my electric hot
> water heater. (Cold into the bottom, warm out the top.)
>
> Note: My electric water heater is located on the other side of the wall next
> to my woodstove.
>
> After just a few hours, the water coming out of the top of the tank by the
> wood stove was about 70 degrees. (The water from the city going into the
> tank is 40 degrees F.) At this point the bottom of the tank felt cold and
> the top was not cold.
>
> The next morning, the entire tank was slightly warm.
>
> Anyway I am now "pre-heating" the water going to my hot water heater. So
> instead of my water heater having to heat up 40 degree water, it will only
> need to heat up water which will be from 70-80 degrees. Perhaps warmer if I
> have the woodstove going full blast and have not used any hot water for a
> while. So should save some $$ on my electric bill.
>
> Building code note: Now that I see this idea works, I'm going to install the
> tank next to my woodstove to "code"* like a water heater tank would be. That
> is drip pan, T&P valve, and strapped to wall for earthquakes. *I don't
> suppose code covers anything like this? I also installed a valve and pipe to
> outside for draining the tank.
>
> Temperature and "steam" note: The temperature next to my woodstove never
> gets above 115 degrees F. and water boils at 212 degrees. So no possibility
> of steam being created.
>
>

A friend decided to run the inlet water for his water heater past the
wood stove. Rather than having a tank there, he just ran a loop from
just before the heater inlet to the wood stove, created a
back-and-forth arrangement of copper pipe and elbows to fit the back
side of the stove and then back to the water heater. In the winter,
when the stove is running, the water gets pre-heated. In the summer,
it absorbs a little ambient temperature.

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 11:38 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 15:16:55 GMT, "Lee K" <lee_keedick@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:654bunF2e2n0aU1@mid.individual.net...
>
>> my > hot water heater????
>>
>
>Just curious: why is it that you want to heat hot water?
>
Because water that doesn't contain heat is ice.

Besides, he said: "Anyway I am now "pre-heating" the water going to my
hot water heater."

If it is pre-heated, then the water heater IS a hot water heater,
smartass.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 7:23 am
From: max

In article <47ec3816$0$6138$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote:

> I bet he's not listening. He's also spammed a bunch of other groups, and
> I've lampooned him there, too. He's never replied to me.

I guess mormons aren't big on Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness.
Perhaps the 10 commandments only apply between fellow mormons? How very
islamofacist of you.

You are credit to your faith, and an example to us all.

.max

>
> --
> Christopher A. Young
> Learn more about Jesus
>

www.lds.org

--
This signature can be appended to your outgoing mesages. Many people include in
their signatures contact information, and perhaps a joke or quotation.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 7:43 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"

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b. He is God (John 1:1). Explain that when we speak of God, we usually
refer to Heavenly Father. However, "the personage known as Jehovah in Old
Testament times . is the Son, known as Jesus Christ, . who is also a God.
Jesus works under the direction of the Father. . Many of the things that the
scripture says were done by God were actually done by . Jesus" (Bible
Dictionary, "God," 681).

--
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Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org
.

"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:OM5Hj.3471$EJ2.1009@trndny03...

john 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was God.

not A god, just God. same entity; different manifestation.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 7:41 am
From: "mart2306@hotmail.com"

On 28 Mar, 13:50, "Gazz" <n...@m.ta> wrote:
> "Sal_55" <zaman_2...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:119fc276-0fe7-4985-b09b-681627718563@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
> Sorry for sounding so damn lazy,but what I'd really like is to have
> some pharmaceuticals injected into me, and then in 5 weeks time, I can
> go to the Clinical research companies headquarters and have the
> necessary blood tests, and be paid.
>
> ------------
>
> Maybe try this the other way round... get a stock of 'pharmaceuticals'
> delivered to your house, then invite people in to have them injected into
> them for money?.
>
> the bloke next door to me seems to make a good living doing this (allegedly)
>
> that seems like the only home business that makes lots of money fast
> nowadays :(

Or for those with a webcam, performing on some of the adult sites or
creating movies for those sites.......

Martin <><

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 10:21 am
From: Anthony Matonak

mart2306@hotmail.com wrote:
> On 28 Mar, 13:50, "Gazz" <n...@m.ta> wrote:
...
>> Maybe try this the other way round... get a stock of 'pharmaceuticals'
>> delivered to your house, then invite people in to have them injected into
>> them for money?.
...
>> that seems like the only home business that makes lots of money fast
>> nowadays :(
>
> Or for those with a webcam, performing on some of the adult sites or
> creating movies for those sites.......

There are plenty of illegal businesses one can run from home.
Growing plants, prostitution, making copies of movies and music,
cloning cell phones, printing false documents and IDs and so on.

Anthony

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 7:58 am
From: The Master

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008, Why fatties are insane wrote:

> There isn't room for fatties in the justice system. All fatty felons
> should be put to work in chain gangs picking up trash, mowing highway
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:46:43 -0700 (PDT), "One Varadero....theres only
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>On 28 Mar, 16:45, "susi40...@googlemail.com"
><susi40...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 9:24 am
From: Dennis

On Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:32:32 GMT, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"
<derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>"Logan Shaw" <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:47ec7ec5$0$17354$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:
>>> dh says there may be a problem with ntsc boxes. something about being
>>> able to record only the show you're watching.
>>
>> First of all, I assume you are talking about a digital television
>> tuner box. These are actually digital to analog converters, not
>> the other way around, and they have a tuner in them as well.
>>
>> Second, it is likely that the box will only be able to tune in one
>> program at a time, especially since as far as I know, all the boxes
>> have only one output of each type.
>>
>> This doesn't mean you'll only be able to record the show you're
>> watching. You just need a tuner for every program you want to
>> tune in at a single time. If you're going to tune in one program
>> to watch it and another program to record it, you'll naturally
>> need two tuners. I don't think I'd call that a problem, though;
>> it's just what the boxes are: tuners that tune in one program
>> at a time.
>
>so if you have one of those converter boxes and an analog tv set,
>what can you record? just the station you're watching, right? 'cause
>you won't have the ability to tune in another one?
>

If you have one of those converter boxes and an analog tv set, you
can't record anything. You also need a recording device. If the
recording device has its own ATSC (digital) tuner, you can tune and
record a different program. If the recording device has ony an NTSC
(analog) tuner, yes, you would need another converter box to tune a
different station/program than you are watchng live.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Mar 28 2008 10:38 am
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