Tuesday, April 29, 2008

25 new messages in 23 topics - digest

misc.consumers.frugal-living
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living?hl=en

misc.consumers.frugal-living@googlegroups.com

Today's topics:

* www.tradertrade.com supply gucci prada timberland shoes - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e6c8d9173b63c008?hl=en
* Illegal Aliens ( breeders) come to US for free births-and anchor babies - 3
messages, 3 authors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3377e961b5983825?hl=en
* patch adams and catman cohen - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/80a9fa103262f703?hl=en
* farcry patch - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c1d880d989f1545f?hl=en
* colin mcrae 2005 crack - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4c97567e8c73c8b8?hl=en
* norton antivirus 2006 keygen - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6a77b1c193b3aea8?hl=en
* adhd patch - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/50ada5e23b9ea1d7?hl=en
* Louis Vuitton Tahitienne Bags - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/68124413d209cb63?hl=en
* Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden. - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c2b74d91aeaefb6f?hl=en
* Hi - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bebfefd8c6a265dd?hl=en
* Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/93eae1e9abcb4fb3?hl=en
* NEW PHOTO COLLECTIONS AND HUMAN ANATOMY MODELS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/aba0e211459b83c4?hl=en
* universal healthcare - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4e9396469768688b?hl=en
* Horn Blowing = Lion's Roar? - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/289bcedc5b3b7957?hl=en
* CHINA WHOLESALE CHEAP HOGAN POLO SNEAKERS - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b1b97ad1df48fd81?hl=en
* Pigs tow away motorhomes belonging to the homeless in Ontario, CA. - 1
messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ef9b2be51a1cd9c6?hl=en
* NEW ! Convert Your Car/Truck to BURN WATER - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/68b2c375dc747d85?hl=en
* new provider and newsgroups - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0682efd30a563855?hl=en
* BRAND GOODS MADE IN CHINA ,YOU LIKE? PLEASE COME IN ---.SNEAKER-OUTLET.-- -
1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e82e484df788769e?hl=en
* The Cost of Cheap Food - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6fe8980c51f3505a?hl=en
* Saturn cars- more cracked cylinder heads due to mfgr flaws - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0ef997e9c9515ba0?hl=en
* hello everybody,this is an fashion trading company . Products including
shoes,clothes,bag and digital,it is indeed honor to service for you and I
really except for your visiting. WebSite:www.xiamenb2b.com - 1 messages, 1
author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7a398cca43c5560d?hl=en
* Frugal Way to A/C House during Intense Summer Heat - 1 messages, 1 author
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/cb96aef5a659aeba?hl=en

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TOPIC: www.tradertrade.com supply gucci prada timberland shoes
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e6c8d9173b63c008?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Apr 28 2008 11:20 pm
From: nike jordan adidas airforce one shoe


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TOPIC: Illegal Aliens ( breeders) come to US for free births-and anchor babies
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3377e961b5983825?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 12:56 am
From: Eat the rich


On Apr 28, 2:28 am, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not afraid of the trailer park god of Robertson <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > HarryNadds <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> So you have no problem with people breaking our laws,walking across
> >> the border and squirting babies every 6 weeks? Can I walk into
> >> mexico,impregnate my wife and when our child is born in mexico it
> >> becomes a citizen which anchors me,my wife and 13 kids? Will Mexico
> >> let me do that and if not,why not? Are they racist against whites?
> >> Are they xenophobes? Are they all members of the mexxkin KKK? Have
> >> they built fences along their southern border? Do they attempt to
> >> keep ALL illegal immigrants out of their country?? If they do then
> >> why are we americans called racists for trying to maintain the
> >> sovereignty of our country and Mexico not?? Please go into detail
> >> and explain this to the uninformed.
> > Want to end this "problem?" Then end our trade policies with Mexico.
>
> Taint gunna happen.
>
> > Free trade is hurting Mexican farmers.
>
> But helping Mexican non farmers.

It's not helping anyone in Mexico except the twenty families that
control the bulk of the wealth in Mexico. The 40 richest people in
Mexico control 30% of the wealth!! Not 40 percent. 40 People. If we
were to change our trade policies with Mexico, this state of unfair
wealth distribution could be mitigated. But our leaders, who take
their cues from the businesses that trade with and in Mexico, have no
interest in fixing this injustice.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 1:45 am
From: "Rod Speed"


Eat the rich <goofindoo@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Not afraid of the trailer park god of Robertson <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> HarryNadds <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote

>>>> So you have no problem with people breaking our laws,walking across
>>>> the border and squirting babies every 6 weeks? Can I walk into
>>>> mexico,impregnate my wife and when our child is born in mexico it
>>>> becomes a citizen which anchors me,my wife and 13 kids? Will Mexico
>>>> let me do that and if not,why not? Are they racist against whites?
>>>> Are they xenophobes? Are they all members of the mexxkin KKK? Have
>>>> they built fences along their southern border? Do they attempt to
>>>> keep ALL illegal immigrants out of their country?? If they do then
>>>> why are we americans called racists for trying to maintain the
>>>> sovereignty of our country and Mexico not?? Please go into detail
>>>> and explain this to the uninformed.

>>> Want to end this "problem?" Then end our trade policies with Mexico.

>> Taint gunna happen.

>>> Free trade is hurting Mexican farmers.

>> But helping Mexican non farmers.

> It's not helping anyone in Mexico except the twenty
> families that control the bulk of the wealth in Mexico.

Wrong. It also helps those who need to work in the industrys that are viable due to the trade policys.

> The 40 richest people in Mexico control 30% of the wealth!! Not 40 percent. 40 People.

Irrelevant to the large number of mexicans they employ.

> If we were to change our trade policies with Mexico,
> this state of unfair wealth distribution could be mitigated.

Nope, that happened before NAFTA too.

> But our leaders, who take their cues from the businesses that
> trade with and in Mexico, have no interest in fixing this injustice.

Nothing the US does will have any effect no that.


== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 8:54 am
From: "Seth Hammond"

"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
news:tp5d14l4kvgv0m7da6kdaovsgs1l7rjjrt@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:17:01 -0700, "Seth Hammond"
> <lesliesethhammond@yahoo.com> mumbled:
>
>>
>>"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
>>news:g1rc14177ofat14an6ros3jano1sg5kqoc@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 15:25:45 -0700, "Seth Hammond"
>>> <lesliesethhammond@yahoo.com> mumbled:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Klete Kasper" <coug@wa.zu> wrote in message
>>>>news:vblc14t4dhj3jgcq6kego535jompq32emn@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 05:54:46 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Larry in AZ <usenet2@DE.LETE.THISljvideo.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sure, but even if the land borders were completely sealed,
>>>>>>>> those that currently show up using scheduled commercial
>>>>>>>> aircraft flights would still do that. Those are the absolute
>>>>>>>> vast bulk of the more than half that dont currently get caught.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cites for that claim..?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The hordes of illegal overstayers on tourist visas.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Use a factual url, or SHADDUP!
>>>>
>>>>The 9-11 terrorists all came here legally.
>>>
>>> Since then?
>>
>>You tell me
>
> Seen any attacks?

Several have been interrupted. Then there's all those forest fires....


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TOPIC: patch adams and catman cohen
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/80a9fa103262f703?hl=en
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Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 1:47 am
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TOPIC: farcry patch
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Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 1:48 am
From: briceno.angi@gmail.com


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TOPIC: colin mcrae 2005 crack
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Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 1:49 am
From: briceno.angi@gmail.com


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TOPIC: norton antivirus 2006 keygen
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 1:50 am
From: briceno.angi@gmail.com


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TOPIC: adhd patch
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 1:51 am
From: briceno.angi@gmail.com


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TOPIC: Louis Vuitton Tahitienne Bags
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/68124413d209cb63?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 2:05 am
From: tom7418@gmail.com


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am loving most? Louis Vuitton! From the Watercolor Speedy to the Louis
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approach on their spring bags. I've caught the LV bug. The Louis
Vuitton Tahitienne Bags are hard not to love. They are monogram, but
not overly splattered monogram. In fact, while the logo is large, it
is still hard to decipher for many that do not know the new items from
the brand. The bag is designed with woven cotton canvas and a monogram
print with a hand painted effect inspired by a 1924 LV catalog cover.
The inside only brings more fun, with smaller Tahitienne print. The
shape is perfect for me and the feel is perfect for resort and summer.
Actually, I look at this bag and picture myself with my bikini on
headed to the beach or out for a day on the boat (or even better on an
exotic island vacation!). The rich, vibrant colors are inspired by
Paul Gauguin, a Post-Impressionist painter who is known for his bold
use of color. Another perk is the adjustable leather shoulder straps
and interior strap that can be adjusted to change the shape and
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TOPIC: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 2:39 am
From: ppnerkDELETETHIS@yahoo.com (Phred)


In article <slrng1cjr2.f0e.don@manx.misty.com>, don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein) wrote:
>In article <67mk2qF2pf7sbU1@mid.individual.net>, Rod Speed wrote:
>>Cindy Hamilton <angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>> There's no magic about a low-carb diet, except that it reduces
>>> swings in blood sugar that makes it difficult to control one's intake.
>>
>>Its a bit more complicated than JUST that. The Atkins particularly
>>does exploit more than just that blood sugar effect.
>>
>>> Low-carb diets don't enable one to violate laws of physics.
>>
>>But they do see less of the calories that go into your mouth end up
>>being stored as fat, because of the calories used to digest the food.
>
> Calories expended to digest food become heat, which offsets need of the
>body to burn calories to produce heat.

Pity the body doesn't have some sort of reverse cycle system -- we
could do with more coolth during the day here. :-) Hmm... maybe I
need to tan more -- black-body radiation and all that stuff. ;-)

Cheers, Phred.

--
ppnerkDELETE@THISyahoo.com.INVALID


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TOPIC: Hi
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 3:01 am
From: lilvaps1@live.com


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TOPIC: Incandescent that avoids upcoming ban
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 3:17 am
From: Jeff


Dennis M wrote:
> In article <slrng1ac02.shr.don@manx.misty.com>, don@manx.misty.com (Don
> Klipstein) wrote:
>
>> In article <UfadnfG0m7wCgIjVnZ2dnUVZ_vednZ2d@giganews.com>, S. Barker wrote:
>>
>>> What's this bs about a ban? I've not kept up with the messages.
>> A recently enacted piece of USA Federal legislation bans manufacture,
>> sale and importation of certain incandescent lamps, starting in 2012.
>
> Some (Republican) congresswoman introduced a bill last week to scale back
> on that legislation and force Uncle Sam to keep its big nose out of
> people's lightbulbs. I hope it goes through.


Why don't you just buy a couple cases of incandescants and keep them
with your 8 tracks. You seem to have missed the spiraling energy costs
and don't seem to care about waste. Well, it's been a great 7 1/2 years
for you hasn't it?

Jeff


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TOPIC: NEW PHOTO COLLECTIONS AND HUMAN ANATOMY MODELS
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/aba0e211459b83c4?hl=en
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Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 3:36 am
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TOPIC: universal healthcare
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 5:41 am
From: "OhioGuy"


>It would only be implemented as Universal HEALTH >INSURANCE. Health
>insurance has absolutely nothing >to do with keeping you healthy.

I agree. Government mandated health insurance is nothing more than yet
another tool to assert government control over our daily lives. It's also
another level of red tape that I don't want any part of.



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TOPIC: Horn Blowing = Lion's Roar?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/289bcedc5b3b7957?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 5:30 am
From: ComandanteBanana


On Apr 28, 6:20 pm, Gunner Asch <gun...@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote:

> I wonder how that translates to bicycle bells?
>
> Chuckle


Bicycle bells vs. car's horn amount to this: The lion roars and the
bicycle answers back...meaow.

It's a kind of behavior signalling submission. "Ding, ding, ding"...


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TOPIC: CHINA WHOLESALE CHEAP HOGAN POLO SNEAKERS
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Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 5:37 am
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TOPIC: Pigs tow away motorhomes belonging to the homeless in Ontario, CA.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 6:10 am
From: clams_casino


ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote:

> Who the fuck told them to grab 100,000s of
>acers?
>
>


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TOPIC: NEW ! Convert Your Car/Truck to BURN WATER
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Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 6:22 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"


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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 6:25 am
From: "Stormin Mormon"


Google for "newsgroup provider". I used Teranews for a while. Easynews, and
a couple others are out there. They provide you a log on name and pass word
to enter into your OE news group properties.

--
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Learn more about Jesus

www.lds.org
.


"johngood_____" <void@voidacious.net> wrote in message
news:SrIOj.93844$5i5.30234@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
In looking around for another ISP, I've found one that I think that I might
sign up with. But they tell me that they do not provide access to Newsgroup
via Outlook Express.

Since I want to regularly access Newsgroups and don't want the inconvenience
of accessing Newsgroups through Google; is there a reasonably priced and
easy way for me to get to the Newsgroups using this new provider please. I
phoned up the technical line and they said to use RSS feeds, I did a search
on this but it doesn't seem to me to connect in any way with Newsgroups as
far as I can see. Thanks for any advice.



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TOPIC: BRAND GOODS MADE IN CHINA ,YOU LIKE? PLEASE COME IN ---.SNEAKER-OUTLET.-
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 7:05 am
From: chinagood098@yahoo.cn


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TOPIC: The Cost of Cheap Food
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 8:00 am
From:
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"Al Bundy" <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in message news:13c99e6b-6934->
>Dollar Tree has recently been selling fruit from China mostly in glass
> jars. When I saw where it came from I put it back on the shelf. I just
> don't trust food from China. Some nutritionists have said the best
> thing to do is eat locally grown products. That can't be done easily,
> but at least we can buy mostly from this country. My local fruit
> market has stock all year long. Out of season locally items come from
> Florida, Mexico or South America.
> I need to homestead a farm.

Agreed. We don't eat any sort of packaged, pre-made foods. We try to only
eat locally grown produce dairy, and meat, which is difficult in upstate NY
with such a short growing season. Since we don't eat grains that's not an
issue, but all our fruit and veg comes from the local farm stand, and you
can see them picking the stuff outside. I buy lots when it's in season, then
freeze it, can it, etc. for the winter. All the meat comes from the abattoir
that gets the animals from a local farm (same place as the dairy), and the
gigantic chicken breasts at the local market come straight from the poultry
farm 10 miles away. The weird thing is that while the produce costs a bit
more than the stuff at Wal-Mart, the meat and poultry is MUCH less than they
charge. I can get a whole side of ribeye cut into 2" thick steaks for
$4.98lb and boneless, skinless chicken breasts (the size of pterodactyls)
for $1.98lb. Pork is about the same as the chains. The pigs are raised about
50 miles away, so that probably accounts for the higher price. The sheep
farm (they mostly sell wool but have lambs available once a year) is about a
half hour drive and you can buy a whole lamb already dressed and wrapped.
The chains around here don't even carry lamb except for a week at Easter.

We've always eaten locally grown stuff, but we used to use commercial cat
food. Both my cats were poisoned last March, but after a week at the vet and
$3,000 they both recovered. I make their food now. I won't buy anything
ingestible that's made in China.



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TOPIC: Saturn cars- more cracked cylinder heads due to mfgr flaws
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0ef997e9c9515ba0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 8:08 am
From: rnisterfactLIES@yahoo.com


On Apr 12, 2:28 pm, misterfact <misterf...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Saturn (GM) STANDARD OPERATING PROCEEDURE
>
> When we at GM discover an epidemic costly flaw in our cars (like
> casting flaws in our cylinder heads that will cause the head to
> eventually CRACK); and before we become aware of the problem, tens of
> thousands of cars with the flaw have gone off the assembly line to
> dealers and customers
>
> We withold that information (sending out a service notice) for as
> long
> as we can- so as to get as many of those cars affected, OVER the
> warranty period. That way, we are not liable to cover the cost of the
> repair or replacement and we are able to cut our loses!
>
> Also: If a new car customer who has been taking his car to the dealer
> for regular scheduled maintainance, CHANGES ADDRESS, and the dealer
> fails to notify the company of the new address and because of this
> dealer failure- we send out a service notice to the old address and
> thus the notice never reaches the customer:
>
> When the service notice is returned to us as "undeliverable"; we will
> NOT make any attempt to reach the customer at his new address and
> notify him of the service notice. We are not liable for our dealer's
> failure nor will we take any action against our dealer for this
> failure
> in an attempt to compensate the customer,should he have been unaware
> of
> the notice and suffers a costly repair bill after his warranty has
> run
> out!
>
> Anyone who doubts the above policy can contact (among many others):
> Grand Rapids (Michigan) Saturn.
>
> (That is; if anyone there admits his knowledge of and has the COURAGE
> to verify the above policy)
> signed.
>
> Michael Cohrman
> misterf...@yahoo.com
>
> The above policy is known by many but I have never seen it posted
> anywhere. If you want to verify or deny the above policy from your
> own
> experience- please do!
>
> Want specific examples of GM witholding costly information on their
> cars? Contact: misterf...@yahoo.com
>
> Patricia of Bath ME (9/15/03):
> Cylinder head cracked, Saturn is aware there is a problem but their
> position is, if it didn't happen in 6 years or 100,000 miles
> (whichever
> came first) I'm out of luck. Of course the local dealer will fix it
> for
> $1,800. I own a 1994 Saturn SW1 with 94,502 miles. The service
> bullentin came out in 1999. I believe that they knew it to be a
> defect
> in the parts they used and it should be fixed no matter what the age
> of
> the car.
>
> Of couse they would like the public to think that after their
> timeframe
> the car will never have the problem or by magic it will repair
> itself.
> If the only humans worked this way after 6 years all birth defects
> would just disappear. What a wonderful world it would be. All I have
> to
> say is -- dream on, Saturn. I can't wait to get the car fixed and
> trade
> it in for another car.
>
> Re: GM standard operating proceedure [ To: misterfact | Post
> 296013896, reply to 296013865 ] (Score: 2)
>
> Cylinder head cracked, Saturn is aware there is a problem but their
> position is, if it didn't happen in 6 years or 100,000 miles
> (whichever came first) I'm out of luck.
>
> (think I'm going to buy a Toyota pickup. I've always been a Dodge
> man,
> and I'd love to have a new Cummins, but I think I'm done with
> American
> auto companies.
>
> I think I want a Toyota or a Nissan, club cab, full size. Something
> my
> dogs can ride in with me.
>
> .
>
> misterfact
> (nonconformist)
>
> Saturn recalls
>
> http://www.internetautoguide.com/auto-recalls/03-int/saturn/l-series/...
>
> misterfact
> (nonconformist)
> 01/18/08 09:54 AM
> Re: GM standard operating proceedure [ To: Jhoffa_ | Post
> 296013960, reply to 296013929 ] (Score: 1)
>
> Saturn has made over 100,000 cars with casting flaws in their
> cylinder
> heads. The flaw causes the head to crack- usually after the warranty
> expires.
>
> This figure was given to me by a Saturn "insider".
>
> http://www.carreview.com/mfr/saturn/midsize-compact/PRD_15473_1531crx...
>
> Summary:
> We were very happy with our Saturn until the warranty ran out. As far
> as I am concerned these lemons have built in flaws.With only 56000
> miles and a dedicated maintanance regime we now face a $4000.00
> repair
> cost for replacing something on just about everything. Speed sensor,
> transmission valve and a computer overhaul. We thought we had made a
> good choice when we bought this car 6 years ago. My wife loved it. We
> were treated great by all the staff at Saturn and it seemed to us
> that
> we were getting a fine automobile......Then the warranty ran out and
> so did all the friendlyness. We now face a bill almost 1/4 the size
> of
> what we paid for it originaly. We are going to do the minimum to get
> it running and dump this turkey. We have started looking around for a
> minivan and believe me, it won't be a Saturn. They should be ashamed
> of themselves for foisting an inferior product on trusting people.
> (But I doubt they are.)
>
> Weaknesses:
> Constant problems with the air conditioning.I bet you've read that
> one
> before. Things start falling apart after the warranty expires. too
> many built in flaws in my opinion.


I work for Saturn. I hate to see people lie about a great company!
Saturn makes great cars.I'de love to beat some sense into misterfact
(Mike Korman), but since I'm too stupid and lazy to refute anything he
says with facts; and I'm too cowardly to go over to his house and re-
arrange his brain-I decided to go to a lot of expence and waste my
precious tim to find out who he is, where he lives and his phone
number-then plaster it all over the internet..

That way someone else might go over to his house and do the job for
me, or else call him up in the middle of the night.

I guess I could sue him for defaming the company, but that means
I'de have to face him in court and document all his lies, which again,
I don't know how to do or am to lazy to do.


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Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 8:42 am
From: xmfengyi2003@gmail.com


hello everybody,this is an fashion trading company . Products
including shoes,clothes,bag and digital,it is indeed honor to service
for you and I really except for your visiting. WebSite:
www.xiamenb2b.com


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Date: Tues, Apr 29 2008 8:51 am
From: mwmiller314@gmail.com


Is there an esp frugal way to efficiently a/c a house during
potentially really intense summer heat?

Any helpful input appreciated,
Matt

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