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TOPIC: Sleazy Wall Steet/Chamber of Commerce bloats tout offshore drilling.
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 10:52 am
From: Video61@tcq.net

On Jun 19, 12:38 pm, singularity <r...@kurtz.wheel> wrote:
> retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:22:15 -0700, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:25:13 -0700, "Clave"
> >> <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> There are no Chinese rigs drilling on the Cuba side of the Florida
> >>>>> Strait according people in our government. But there is some truth
> >>>>> to your MIMBY prosecution.
> >>>> You believe our government? There's your problem right there
> >>>> "The U.S. Congress has voted consistently to keep 85% of America's
> >>>> offshore oil and gas off-limits, while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from
> >>>> Key West, Fla. The U.S. Minerals Management Service says that the
> >>>> restricted areas contain 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic
> >>>> feet of natural gas."
>
> >>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20080609/bs_ibd_ibd/20080609issues01
> >>> That's an unsourced op-ed, and it's full of shit.
>
> >>>http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40776.html
>
> >> Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's
> >> shoreline. The China-Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said
> >> Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off
> >> the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR.
>
> >> "China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period," said
> >> Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy
> >> at the University of Miami and an expert in oil exploration in the
> >> Gulf of Mexico. Martinez cited Pinon's research when he took to the
> >> Senate floor Wednesday to set the record straight.
>
> >> Even so, the Chinese-drilling-in-Cuba legend has gained momentum and
> >> has been swept up in Republican arguments to open up more U.S.
> >> territory to domestic production.
>
> >> Vice President Dick Cheney, in a speech Wednesday to the U.S. Chamber
> >> of Commerce, picked up the refrain. Cheney quoted a column by George
> >> Will, who wrote last week that "drilling is under way 60 miles off
> >> Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with
> >> Cuba, which is drilling closer to South Florida than U.S. companies
> >> are."
>
> >> I think Congress should haul Cheney's but in front of a committee and
> >> roast him for lying again. These grandiose lies serve as a great
> >> entre to hold up how much he personally is liable for lying us into
> >> Iraq. he repeatedly told lies on the Sunday talking heads programs
> >> even after the intelligence agencies told him thy were lies.
>
> > LOL. Seems Cheney realized his liability and "corrected" it.
>
> http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html
>
> The Chinese have forged a deal with Cuban leader Fidel Castro to explore
> and tap into massive oil reserves almost within sight of Key West,
> Florida. At the same time, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who
> controls the largest oil reserves in the Western Hemisphere, is making
> deals to sell his country?s oil to China, oil that is currently coming
> to the United States.
>
> Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized
> the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United
> States.
>
> SLANT DRILLING
>
> There are new reports out circulating that Chinese firms are planning to
> slant drill off the Cuban coast near the Florida Straits, tapping into
> U.S. oil reserves that are estimated at 4.6 billion to 9.3 billion barrels.
>
> China is eager to tap into oil reserves in the Florida Straits and then
> make a deal with Castro to control it. The Chinese have already reopened
> an abandoned Russian oil refinery in Cuba. Much of the gas refined there
> is believed to be destined for Freeport in the Bahamas, where the
> Chinese, through front company Hutchison-Whampoa, has developed a
> massive port facility and airfield.
>
> With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of
> Castro.
>
> Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) has introduced legislation to ease U.S.
> restrictions that prevent dealing with Cuba to drill in the Florida
> Straits. It is hoped that Florida regulations that prevent U.S. oil
> drilling off the state?s coasts could also be eased.

now there is a name that you can count on to be truthful, the toilet
queen! ROTFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 11:00 am
From: singularity

Video61@tcq.net wrote:
> On Jun 19, 12:38 pm, singularity <r...@kurtz.wheel> wrote:
>> Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
>>> On Jun 18, 12:39 pm, "ChairMan" <w...@fu.com> wrote:
>>>> <billimmel...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:b8cfc506-6cc7-4f78-aceb-a89fb8257331@79g2000hsk.googlegroups.com
>>>>> On Jun 18, 3:22 am, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>>> The time is ripe for America to use existing technology to get those
>>>>>> electric cars rolling down the assembly lines. But the usual
>>>>>> suspects, the same bastards who love illegal aliens and other cheap
>>>>>> labor sources, opt for what they think is the easy solution. Fuck
>>>>>> 'em all!
>>>>>> ted
>>>>>> "They trundle into the fast food outlet, fat asses leaving the SUV
>>>>>> full of plump wives and noisy children. Behind their vehicle is a
>>>>>> trailer bearing two ATV's. This family is doing it's outdoor thing".
>>>>> The hacks always look for a quick cheap fix. I will bet that American
>>>>> industry can produce a solar-boosted electric car faster then the
>>>>> first
>>>>> drilling rig can be placed.
>>>>> bill
>>>> There are already rigs off the coast of Florida, they're just not ours.
>>>> Why is it that all you anti oil people dont have a problem with us drilling
>>>> in other countries and fuckin' up their enviroment?
>>>> Just don't do it my backyard, huh?
>>>> You're the same people that complain about how bad Bush has made us look to
>>>> the rest of the world, but don't take any personal responsiblity of your own
>>>> for your views.
>>>> The word hypocrite comes to mind.
>>>> BTW: WTF are we saving "OUR" oil for?
>>> there are 1000's of capped wells in the u.s.a. right now, just
>>> sitting.
>> Those are known as non-producing or test wells, you idiot!
>>
>>> there are many untold leases that were issued to the oil
>>> companies, and they are just sitting.
>> Because the seismic surveys came up poorly, fool.
>>
>>> the cons and their corporate
>>> masters just want to tie up more reserves in their portfolios for
>>> future gauging.
>> I can gauge your stupidity and paranoia quite well, you vermin.
>>
>>> they will leak the oil out slowly, whilst
>> Oh stfu, you damned lying whiner!
>
> i see reality is not one of your stronger suits is it. name calling
> will not change reality. i see no evidence provided by you that
> refutes what i am saying.

You whining ignorant fuckwit - you come in spewing paranoia with NO
CITES and ask me to refute your simple-minded delusions?!?!????

WTF is wrong with your damned useless head????

No matter - read the FACTS and welcome to REALITY, you stuttering moron!

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/analysispaper/congr/

The Energy Information Administration (EIA) collects1 and reports2 total
U.S. crude oil and natural gas reserves. Moreover, the Form EIA-23
survey requires participants to report nonproducing reserves, which can
be used to infer producing reserves, by subtracting nonproducing
reserves from total reserves.

Crude Oil Reserve Trends

nonproducing crude oil reserves grew steadily from 1985 through 2004
rather than growing within a relatively limited time frame like natural
gas. Total nonproducing crude oil reserves grew from 2.6 billion
barrels at year-end 1985 to 5.6 billion barrels at year-end 2004. At
year-end 1985, U.S. nonproducing crude oil reserves were 10 percent of
total crude oil reserves; by year-end 2004, they were 26 percent of
total crude oil reserves.

Offshore Crude Oil Reserves

The Offshore Gulf of Mexico is the only region to post an increase in
total crude oil reserves, although much of this increase was due to the
growth in nonproducing crude oil reserves. Offshore Gulf of Mexico
nonproducing crude oil reserves grew from 0.8 billion barrels at
year-end 1985 to 2.9 billion barrels at year-end 2004. The Offshore
Gulf of Mexico's increase in nonproducing reserves largely offset the
growth in this region's total crude oil reserves so that Offshore Gulf
of Mexico producing crude oil reserves increased only slightly from 1.5
billion barrels at year-end 1985 to 1.7 billion barrels at year-end 2004.

A more detailed examination of Offshore Gulf of Mexico nonproducing
crude oil reserves indicates that this region's increase in nonproducing
crude oil reserves is largely a Louisiana-Federal Offshore phenomenon
(Figure 5).9 At year-end 2004, the Louisiana-Federal Offshore region
accounted for 2.7 billion barrels of out of the 5.6 billion barrels of
U.S. nonproducing crude oil reserves, which was 48 percent of the U.S.
nonproducing crude oil reserves.

Onshore Crude Oil Reserves

Nonproducing crude oil reserves increased in most onshore regions. The
largest increase in onshore nonproducing crude oil reserves occurred in
the Southwest, which increased by 580 million barrels, going from 140
million barrels at year-end 1985 to 720 million barrels at year-end
2004. The Southwest region is also notable for posting the largest
volumetric drop in onshore producing crude oil reserves, which declined
from 5.7 billion barrels at year-end 1985 to 3.7 billion barrels at
year-end 2004. The Rocky Mountain region posted the next largest
increase in onshore lower 48 nonproducing crude oil reserves, by
increasing 300 million barrels from year-end 1985 through year-end 2004.

Potential Causes for the Growth in Nonproducing Crude Oil and Natural
Gas Reserves

Onshore, the growth in nonproducing crude oil and natural gas reserves
could reflect the development constraints caused by environmental
regulations and litigation. Some of this litigation is by parties
wishing to stop drilling and production on State and Federal lands.
Some of this litigation is by surface owners who do not own the crude
oil and natural gas mineral rights, and therefore have no direct
financial incentive to permit crude oil and natural gas drilling and
infrastructure on their land. Instead, the surface owners have a
financial incentive to litigate the drilling and production of crude oil
and natural gas in order to extract as large a rent concession from the
mineral producer as possible.

Offshore, the growth in nonproducing crude oil and natural gas reserves
could reflect an increase in the time required to bring an offshore
project into production, as the crude oil and natural gas industry
progresses from the shallow-water Gulf of Mexico into the deep-water
Gulf. The dramatic rise in Louisiana-Federal Offshore nonproducing
crude oil reserves is consistent with this hypothesis; because most of
the Gulf's deep-water crude oil and natural gas development is occurring
in this region.

Another potential cause for the growing proportion of nonproducing crude
oil and natural gas reserves could be that the crude oil and natural gas
industry might have increasingly relied on improvements in the
collection, processing, and interpretation of seismic data to delineate
the dimensions of newly discovered fields as a substitute for drilling
field delineation wells.10 If new crude oil and natural gas reserves
were increasingly being determined by seismic data rather than by the
existence of producing wells, then this would increase the proportion of
nonproducing crude oil and natural gas reserves relative to total
reserves. There is, however, no direct evidence to confirm whether this
is the case.

Conclusions

The Form EIA-23 survey's collection of nonproducing reserves data
permits an evaluation of those crude oil and natural gas reserves which
are available to the crude oil and natural gas markets, and those crude
oil and natural gas reserves which are not available to the markets, but
which are expected to be available sometime in the future. In this
context, the EIA producing and nonproducing reserve concepts are similar
to, but not equivalent to the SEC definitions of proved developed
reserves and proved undeveloped reserves.

The growth in nonproducing reserves is a phenomenon common to both crude
oil and natural gas from year-end 1985 through year-end 2004 and is
apparent in all the major domestic crude oil and natural gas basins.
There are, however, some significant differences in this phenomenon as
it pertains to crude oil and natural gas.

The increase in nonproducing natural gas reserves occurred over a
relatively short 7 year period (i.e., from year-end 1997 through
year-end 2004), and accounted for 80 percent of the new incremental
growth in total natural gas reserves during this period. In contrast,
the growth in nonproducing crude oil reserves has occurred at a
relatively consistent pace over the 1985 through 2004 period.
The rise in nonproducing crude oil reserves is largely a
Louisiana-Federal Offshore region phenomenon, while the growth in
nonproducing natural gas reserves is largely an onshore lower 48 phenomenon.
The growing proportion of nonproducing crude oil reserves relative to
total crude oil reserves has accelerated the decline in producing crude
oil reserves, whereas the growth in nonproducing natural gas reserves
has served more to limit the growth in producing natural gas reserves.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 11:01 am
From: singularity

Video61@tcq.net wrote:
> On Jun 19, 12:38 pm, singularity <r...@kurtz.wheel> wrote:
>> retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:22:15 -0700, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:25:13 -0700, "Clave"
>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> There are no Chinese rigs drilling on the Cuba side of the Florida
>>>>>>> Strait according people in our government. But there is some truth
>>>>>>> to your MIMBY prosecution.
>>>>>> You believe our government? There's your problem right there
>>>>>> "The U.S. Congress has voted consistently to keep 85% of America's
>>>>>> offshore oil and gas off-limits, while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from
>>>>>> Key West, Fla. The U.S. Minerals Management Service says that the
>>>>>> restricted areas contain 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic
>>>>>> feet of natural gas."
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20080609/bs_ibd_ibd/20080609issues01
>>>>> That's an unsourced op-ed, and it's full of shit.
>>>>> http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40776.html
>>>> Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's
>>>> shoreline. The China-Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said
>>>> Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off
>>>> the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR.
>>>> "China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period," said
>>>> Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy
>>>> at the University of Miami and an expert in oil exploration in the
>>>> Gulf of Mexico. Martinez cited Pinon's research when he took to the
>>>> Senate floor Wednesday to set the record straight.
>>>> Even so, the Chinese-drilling-in-Cuba legend has gained momentum and
>>>> has been swept up in Republican arguments to open up more U.S.
>>>> territory to domestic production.
>>>> Vice President Dick Cheney, in a speech Wednesday to the U.S. Chamber
>>>> of Commerce, picked up the refrain. Cheney quoted a column by George
>>>> Will, who wrote last week that "drilling is under way 60 miles off
>>>> Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with
>>>> Cuba, which is drilling closer to South Florida than U.S. companies
>>>> are."
>>>> I think Congress should haul Cheney's but in front of a committee and
>>>> roast him for lying again. These grandiose lies serve as a great
>>>> entre to hold up how much he personally is liable for lying us into
>>>> Iraq. he repeatedly told lies on the Sunday talking heads programs
>>>> even after the intelligence agencies told him thy were lies.
>>> LOL. Seems Cheney realized his liability and "corrected" it.
>> http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html
>>
>> The Chinese have forged a deal with Cuban leader Fidel Castro to explore
>> and tap into massive oil reserves almost within sight of Key West,
>> Florida. At the same time, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who
>> controls the largest oil reserves in the Western Hemisphere, is making
>> deals to sell his country?s oil to China, oil that is currently coming
>> to the United States.
>>
>> Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized
>> the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United
>> States.
>>
>> SLANT DRILLING
>>
>> There are new reports out circulating that Chinese firms are planning to
>> slant drill off the Cuban coast near the Florida Straits, tapping into
>> U.S. oil reserves that are estimated at 4.6 billion to 9.3 billion barrels.
>>
>> China is eager to tap into oil reserves in the Florida Straits and then
>> make a deal with Castro to control it. The Chinese have already reopened
>> an abandoned Russian oil refinery in Cuba. Much of the gas refined there
>> is believed to be destined for Freeport in the Bahamas, where the
>> Chinese, through front company Hutchison-Whampoa, has developed a
>> massive port facility and airfield.
>>
>> With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of
>> Castro.
>>
>> Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) has introduced legislation to ease U.S.
>> restrictions that prevent dealing with Cuba to drill in the Florida
>> Straits. It is hoped that Florida regulations that prevent U.S. oil
>> drilling off the state?s coasts could also be eased.
>
> now there is a name that you can count on to be truthful,

No factual rebuttal, thanks for taking the bait- hook,line and sinker.

You stupid piece of shit.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 12:01 pm
From: ztc

On Jun 19, 2:01 pm, singularity <r...@kurtz.wheel> wrote:

> >> Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) has introduced legislation to ease U.S.
> >> restrictions that prevent dealing with Cuba to drill in the Florida
> >> Straits. It is hoped that Florida regulations that prevent U.S. oil
> >> drilling off the state?s coasts could also be eased.
>
> > now there is a name that you can count on to be truthful,
>
> No factual rebuttal, thanks for taking the bait- hook,line and sinker.

Larry Craig must have drilled into your ass for you to be whoring for
this BS. Of course it won't ever bring the price of a gallon of gas
down but it will make a few greedy @$$holes even richer if they can
scam enough people.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 3:02 pm
From: Video61@tcq.net

On Jun 19, 1:00 pm, singularity <r...@kurtz.wheel> wrote:
there are literally 1000's of stripper wells that were capped in
america in the late 1970's because it was cheaper to import the oil,
and they are all over america, and they remain capped.
there is no way that they can make up for the shortfall, and i never
said they would. what i said is that they should exploit what they
have first, before coming to the government hat in hand. of course you
knew this, you are a paid oil company shill.
then there are the whole fields that are capped like gull island. so,
i do not need to call you names, except shill.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 3:14 pm
From: Video61@tcq.net

On Jun 19, 1:01 pm, singularity <r...@kurtz.wheel> wrote:
> Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
> > On Jun 19, 12:38 pm, singularity <r...@kurtz.wheel> wrote:
> >> retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:22:15 -0700, retrogro...@comcast.net wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:25:13 -0700, "Clave"
> >>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> There are no Chinese rigs drilling on the Cuba side of the Florida
> >>>>>>> Strait according people in our government. But there is some truth
> >>>>>>> to your MIMBY prosecution.
> >>>>>> You believe our government? There's your problem right there
> >>>>>> "The U.S. Congress has voted consistently to keep 85% of America's
> >>>>>> offshore oil and gas off-limits, while China and Cuba drill 60 miles from
> >>>>>> Key West, Fla. The U.S. Minerals Management Service says that the
> >>>>>> restricted areas contain 86 billion barrels of oil and 420 trillion cubic
> >>>>>> feet of natural gas."
> >>>>>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ibd/20080609/bs_ibd_ibd/20080609issues01
> >>>>> That's an unsourced op-ed, and it's full of shit.
> >>>>>http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/40776.html
> >>>> Yet no one can prove that the Chinese are drilling anywhere off Cuba's
> >>>> shoreline. The China-Cuba connection is "akin to urban legend," said
> >>>> Sen. Mel Martinez, a Republican from Florida who opposes drilling off
> >>>> the coast of his state but who backs exploration in ANWR.
> >>>> "China is not drilling in Cuba's Gulf of Mexico waters, period," said
> >>>> Jorge Pinon, an energy fellow with the Center for Hemispheric Policy
> >>>> at the University of Miami and an expert in oil exploration in the
> >>>> Gulf of Mexico. Martinez cited Pinon's research when he took to the
> >>>> Senate floor Wednesday to set the record straight.
> >>>> Even so, the Chinese-drilling-in-Cuba legend has gained momentum and
> >>>> has been swept up in Republican arguments to open up more U.S.
> >>>> territory to domestic production.
> >>>> Vice President Dick Cheney, in a speech Wednesday to the U.S. Chamber
> >>>> of Commerce, picked up the refrain. Cheney quoted a column by George
> >>>> Will, who wrote last week that "drilling is under way 60 miles off
> >>>> Florida. The drilling is being done by China, in cooperation with
> >>>> Cuba, which is drilling closer to South Florida than U.S. companies
> >>>> are."
> >>>> I think Congress should haul Cheney's but in front of a committee and
> >>>> roast him for lying again. These grandiose lies serve as a great
> >>>> entre to hold up how much he personally is liable for lying us into
> >>>> Iraq. he repeatedly told lies on the Sunday talking heads programs
> >>>> even after the intelligence agencies told him thy were lies.
> >>> LOL. Seems Cheney realized his liability and "corrected" it.
> >>http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/china_starts_oil_drilling.html
>
> >> The Chinese have forged a deal with Cuban leader Fidel Castro to explore
> >> and tap into massive oil reserves almost within sight of Key West,
> >> Florida. At the same time, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, who
> >> controls the largest oil reserves in the Western Hemisphere, is making
> >> deals to sell his country?s oil to China, oil that is currently coming
> >> to the United States.
>
> >> Meanwhile, a new left-wing populist regime in Bolivia has nationalized
> >> the natural gas industry, threatening to cut off supplies to the United
> >> States.
>
> >> SLANT DRILLING
>
> >> There are new reports out circulating that Chinese firms are planning to
> >> slant drill off the Cuban coast near the Florida Straits, tapping into
> >> U.S. oil reserves that are estimated at 4.6 billion to 9.3 billion barrels.
>
> >> China is eager to tap into oil reserves in the Florida Straits and then
> >> make a deal with Castro to control it. The Chinese have already reopened
> >> an abandoned Russian oil refinery in Cuba. Much of the gas refined there
> >> is believed to be destined for Freeport in the Bahamas, where the
> >> Chinese, through front company Hutchison-Whampoa, has developed a
> >> massive port facility and airfield.
>
> >> With the refinery reopened and expanded it will also meet the needs of
> >> Castro.
>
> >> Sen. Larry Craig (R-Idaho) has introduced legislation to ease U.S.
> >> restrictions that prevent dealing with Cuba to drill in the Florida
> >> Straits. It is hoped that Florida regulations that prevent U.S. oil
> >> drilling off the state?s coasts could also be eased.
>
> > now there is a name that you can count on to be truthful,
>
> No factual rebuttal, thanks for taking the bait- hook,line and sinker.
>
> You stupid piece of shit.

http://www.boiseweekly.com/gyrobase/Content?oid=oid%3A156914

Lifetime achievement

This year's Lifetime Achievement Dud goes to part-time senator/full-
time special interest shill Larry Craig, who has collected so many
duds over the years, we figure he must be renting a wall in a FEMA
operations center somewhere on which to hang them all.

This year, even after an exhausting 25 years feeding at the public
trough, Craig managed to hit a three-dudder. First, he introduced
legislation granting immunity to gun manufacturers for any liability
on damage, death and destruction their products might bring about--a
pre-emptive strike on those whiny survivors who lose a loved one to
the pandemic of gun violence. Then, on the principle that no
information is the best information when it comes to protecting the
interests of his powerful patrons, he de-funded the Fish Passage
Center--an agency that keeps track of how many salmon and steelhead
return to the Northwest every year.

But the most flamboyant display of Craigish insensitivity was when he
offended the entire nation by suggesting it would be best if New
Orleans was never rebuilt, seeing as how the town is so rife with
corruption and pay-offs. (And if anyone from Idaho knows a thing or
two about pay-offs, it has to be Larry Craig.)

With this level of arrogance, we here at BW have come to the opinion
that Craig has earned the distinction of being the first inductee into
Idaho's Hall of Dud-dom. We will even spring for a life-sized bronze
bust of Senator Larry in his prime--should he ever get there.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 3:24 pm
From: singularity

Video61@tcq.net wrote:
> On Jun 19, 1:00 pm, singularity <r...@kurtz.wheel> wrote:
> there are literally 1000's of stripper wells that were capped in
> america in the late 1970's because it was cheaper to import the oil,
> and they are all over america, and they remain capped.

Didn't like the EIA analysis fool?

Right back at ya!

No matter - read the FACTS and welcome to REALITY, you stuttering moron!

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/analysispaper/congr/

Crude Oil Reserve Trends

Offshore Crude Oil Reserves

Onshore Crude Oil Reserves

Potential Causes for the Growth in Nonproducing Crude Oil and Natural
Gas Reserves

Onshore, the growth in nonproducing crude oil and natural gas reserves
could reflect the development constraints caused by environmental
regulations and litigation. Some of this litigation is by parties
wishing to stop drilling and production on State and Federal lands. Some
of this litigation is by surface owners who do not own the crude oil and
natural gas mineral rights, and therefore have no direct financial
incentive to permit crude oil and natural gas drilling and
infrastructure on their land. Instead, the surface owners have a
financial incentive to litigate the drilling and production of crude oil
and natural gas in order to extract as large a rent concession from the
mineral producer as possible.

Conclusions

> there is no way that they can make up for the shortfall, and i never
> said they would. what i said is that they should exploit what they
> have first,

They already are:

http://www.rigzone.com/store/product.asp?p_id=408

Primer of Oilwell Service, Workover, and Completion
Author: Kate Van Dyke
Format: Paperback
Pages: 172
ISBN: 0-88698-175-1
Publisher: PETEX
Year Published: 1996
Item Number: 100-408

Availability: In Stock $52.00

From the Book:
Conclusion
The tens of thousands of well producing all over the world cannot begin
to produce or continue to do so efficiently without the efforts of
completion, well servicing, and workover personnel. Using sophisticated
techniques and equipment, these people start and keep oil and gas
flowing, from tiny 10-barrel-a-day "stripper wells" to giant gas wells
producing millions of cubic feet (cubic metres) of gas each day.

Whether using a simple truck-mounted swabbing unit or a complicated
jackup offshore unit, well service and workover companies the world over
keep one our most vital resources - petroleum - available to us when and
where we need it.

> before coming to the government hat in hand. of course you
> knew this, you are a paid oil company shill.

LOL!

Oh I do wish I had that gig, but sorry, fool, you guessed wrong again!

> then there are the whole fields that are capped like gull island. so,
> i do not need to call you names, except shill.

Oh, a conspiracy buff eh?

Ya, this is real credible stuff:

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=48672

Alaska's Gull Island Oil Fields Could Power U.S. for 200 Years

By Mark Anderson

"Crude oil is the real 'currency' of the world," said Lindsey Williams
at a gathering of the Midwest Concerned Citizens group in Kansas City on
July 22. But Americans will never hear about huge oil and gas reserves
in the United States, which, if ever tapped, would bring today's fuel
prices at least as low as $1.50 per gallon and make America more energy
independent.

As a Baptist missionary in the 1970s, Williams said he rubbed elbows
with members of the world's power elite—who boasted of detailed 30-year
and 50-year plans to control the flow of oil and information.

A huge quantity of crude oil and natural gas exists under Gull Island,
located in the waters of Prudhoe Bay in Alaska, says Williams. He cited
key British Petroleum memoranda and related the statements of upper
echelon oil officials who told him that Gull Island would be kept under
wraps, limiting domestic supplies so Americans would someday see prices
hit up to $10 a gallon at the pump.

"Every issue in the world today relates to crude oil," said Williams.
The U.S. occupation of Iraq and the saber rattling about attacking Iran
fit into the crude oil matrix.

...

The big event in that three-year period was in 1977 when an Atlantic
Richfield oil executive told him, "We have just drilled into the largest
pool of oil in North America—[and] in the world!"

That pool was Gull Island. It was said that there was enough natural gas
to supply America for 200 years. But to this day, "not one drop" of that
oil has been released to American refineries, Williams said.

Williams said the executive had warned him that the Gull Island find was
highly classified. Do not repeat any of this, he was told. Obviously,
that warning did not stop him.

http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...sland_oil.html

You're being lied to and manipulated:

View THIS:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...67011147&hl=en

These are the FACTS!

Lindsey Williams talks about his first hand knowledge of Alaskan oil
reserves larger than any on earth. Gas less than $1.50 a gallon! Imagine
that!

Here's another one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CC61X78-OI0 (A few years later, it's
still true. Truth doesn't change!)

So who is this Lindsey Williams ?

Lindsey Williams, who has been an ordained Baptist minister for 28
years, went to Alaska in 1971 as a missionary. The Transalaska oil
pipeline began its construction phase in 1974, and because of Mr.
Williams' love for his country and concern for the spiritual welfare of
the "pipeliners," he volunteered to serve as Chaplain on the pipeline,
with the subsequent full support of the Alyeska Pipeline Company.

Because of the executive status accorded to him as Chaplain, he was
given access to the information that is documented in this book.

After numerous public speaking engagements in the western states,
certain government officials and concerned individuals urged Mr.
Williams to put into print what he saw and heard, stating that they felt
this information was vital to national security. Mr. Williams firmly
believes that whoever controls energy controls the economy. Thus, The
Energy Non-Crisis.

Because of the outstanding public response that has been generated by
this book, Lindsey Williams is in great demand for speaking engagements,
radio, and TV shows.

More here:

http://www.reformation.org/energy-non-crisis.html

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TOPIC: Would you tip this person?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1737a3480cc643dc?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 11:03 am
From: Peter Bruells

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> writes:

> If they go to a hotel the people at the hotel will take the
> luggage. Driver tells them they are bad tippers. Guests wonder why
> room service is so slow.

Because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy?

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 11:35 am
From: George Grapman

Peter Bruells wrote:
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> writes:
>
>> If they go to a hotel the people at the hotel will take the
>> luggage. Driver tells them they are bad tippers. Guests wonder why
>> room service is so slow.
>
> Because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy?

What happened was the doorman and the bellhops let word get out that
the people in 1528 are bad tippers. In the morning room service id
backed up with orders. Guess which room goes on the bottom of the list.
All I ever did was refuse to handle their luggage. There were drivers
who,knowing their fares would not tip, took the scenic route to the airport.

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 11:49 am
From: Peter Bruells

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> writes:

> Peter Bruells wrote:
>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> writes:
>>
>>> If they go to a hotel the people at the hotel will take the
>>> luggage. Driver tells them they are bad tippers. Guests wonder why
>>> room service is so slow.
>>
>> Because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy?
>
>
> What happened was the doorman and the bellhops let word get out
> that the people in 1528 are bad tippers. In the morning room service
> id backed up with orders. Guess which room goes on the bottom of the
> list.

Those *believed* to be bad tippers.

> All I ever did was refuse to handle their luggage. There were
> drivers who, knowing their fares would not tip, took the scenic route
> to the airport.

Now, how much trust do you put into the words of such fraudulent
cheats?

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 12:05 pm
From:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"James" <jlinn@idirect.com> wrote in message
news:676bb742-2ca9-43dd-b0f5-f58c0a2c3ec3@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...

>I often take airport shuttles to budget car parks. I often wondered if
>I should tip. Judging from others actions, people don't generally.
>However I have made an exception when they get out of their seat and
>help me with my bags. A couple of bucks would be sufficient for a
>couple fo bags.

I generally tip $1 per bag, but only if the guy loads and unloads the bags.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 12:00 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Jun 19, 7:41 am, NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I took my car in to the dealer for maintenance. They have a free
> shuttle that will take you anywhere (like to your job), and then pick
> you up when they are done with the maintenance. Should the driver be
> tipped? If so, how much?

I never have...and I didn't see anyone else do it, either. I suppose
where I work we figure he's getting a union paycheck so why would we?
From what I can tell it's just one of the service advisers, they
rotate the van driving.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 1:23 pm
From: George Grapman

Peter Bruells wrote:
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> writes:
>
>> Peter Bruells wrote:
>>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> writes:
>>>
>>>> If they go to a hotel the people at the hotel will take the
>>>> luggage. Driver tells them they are bad tippers. Guests wonder why
>>>> room service is so slow.
>>> Because it's a self-fulfilling prophecy?
>>
>> What happened was the doorman and the bellhops let word get out
>> that the people in 1528 are bad tippers. In the morning room service
>> id backed up with orders. Guess which room goes on the bottom of the
>> list.
>
> Those *believed* to be bad tippers.

When a skycap or a doorman loaded luggage into my cab and told me the
customers were cheap I had no reason not to believe them.
>
>> All I ever did was refuse to handle their luggage. There were
>> drivers who, knowing their fares would not tip, took the scenic route
>> to the airport.
>
> Now, how much trust do you put into the words of such fraudulent
> cheats?

Enough to know that there used to be a free weekly marketed to cab
drivers which carried reports of disciplinary actions taken against
drivers by the police bureau that regulated taxis. They would read
something like this:

William H.-License suspended three days for overcharging customer on
fare from JFK to mid-town. Complaint noted that driver too the Belt Parkway.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 1:24 pm
From: George Grapman

Seerialmom wrote:
> On Jun 19, 7:41 am, NB <nobuy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I took my car in to the dealer for maintenance. They have a free
>> shuttle that will take you anywhere (like to your job), and then pick
>> you up when they are done with the maintenance. Should the driver be
>> tipped? If so, how much?
>
> I never have...and I didn't see anyone else do it, either. I suppose
> where I work we figure he's getting a union paycheck so why would we?
> From what I can tell it's just one of the service advisers, they
> rotate the van driving.
In that case I would agree. The driver is already getting a decent
salary.

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TOPIC: KFC coupon
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d5b38ea89ca1d198?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 11:24 am
From: Cheapo Groovo

http://www.kfc-la.com/print-coupon-value-menu.html

Hopefully someone likes KFC out there!

http://www.cheapogroovo.com

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 12:56 pm
From: clams_casino

Cheapo Groovo wrote:

>
>Hopefully someone likes KFC out there!
>
>
>
>

Almost as much as I like Olive Garden for authenic Itlaian and Red
Lobster for the freshest seafood.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 1:26 pm
From: George Grapman

clams_casino wrote:
> Cheapo Groovo wrote:
>
>>
>> Hopefully someone likes KFC out there!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Almost as much as I like Olive Garden for authenic Itlaian and Red
> Lobster for the freshest seafood.
Interestingly enough those two share the same parent company.
Anyone remember when KFC was Kentucky Fried Chicken and it was edible?

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TOPIC: Storm door handle REPAIR?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/aebfc140ea462d22?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 12:02 pm
From:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Jeff" <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote in message
news:rb6dnVAKy-DM58fVnZ2dnUVZ_o_inZ2d@earthlink.com...
> turtlelover wrote:
>> h wrote:
>>> "turtlelover" <turtlelover@DONOTenter.net> wrote in message
>>> news:48587878$0$18957$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net...
>>>
>>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> turtlelover <turtlelover@DONOTenter.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:48580e80$0$18913$cd3e3bf6@news.enter.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that I can purchase new handles for my storm doors, but I
>>>>>> wonder if anyone has successfully repaired the latching mechanism.
>>>>
>>>> <description snipped>
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Frugalites.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Take the thing off the door (only three screws). The spring will
>>>>> be quite evident. Take it to a good hardware store and get a
>>>>> replacement spring. Note: Springs are not a commonly stocked item.
>>>>> You might have to
>>>>> try an auto parts store. Once you find a store that stocks a good
>>>>> source of springs; remember it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You can also get the right wire and make your own springs. You just need
>>> the right size metal core with a hole in one end. For really large
>>> springs or heavy wire, insert the core in your drill and slowly wind the
>>> wire around the core. That's the easiest way to make chain mail,
>>> although you wind that a lot tighter than a spring.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Even cheaper yet! Now, off to find the wire.
>
> Buy the spring! It's not a bad idea to find a good hardware store, all of
> them will have some drawers with misc hardware, including spring.
>
> Not every wire will make a good spring, most won't. If you have some
> piano wire (the name is a bit of a misnomer as it's not for pianos), you
> can wind one. Otherwise you'll have springs that will come unsprung!
>
> Jeff
>
Agreed. If you can buy them, it's a lot easier. I was forced to make my own
spring for a repair to a 200+ year old door latch, because I couldn't find a
new latch to fit (door is 4 inches thick). I took the broken spring
everywhere, and no one had anything similar. The really old guy (the 90 year
old, not his 70 year old son!) at the hardware store grabbed a piece of wire
and wrapped it around a metal dowel and made the spring for me in about 30
seconds and only charged me 50 cents! That's what gave me the idea for
winding chain mail rings with my drill, and I've also made some springs for
my fiskars scissors. I've since discovered that Fiskars will send you the
springs for free if you email them, so I haven't had to make a spring in
ages.

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TOPIC: Our Troubled Country - Importing Poverty ( Frosty Wooldridge )
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/47ef53144fdedf82?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 1:00 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

RM v2.0 <Blah@spam.sucks> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Marcus Aurelius <alexander26a@hotmail.com> wrote

>>> A nation that, through it's Constitution and Declaration of Independence, is founded on virtue,

>> Been having those pathetic little drug crazed fantasys long ?

>>> can not last when immigrants, both legal and illegal, are admitted to the USA in willful disrespect for this basic
>>> principle.

>> How odd that its the immigrants that turned the place from somewhere
>> where savages killed each other enthusiastically into what it is today.

> Different group and a different time. This current crop is reversing
> that and turning back into a savage area.

So did those involved in the wild west.

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TOPIC: run yo car on Water?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a2d4d2dcf22b0d4a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 1:23 pm
From: "Ian S. Salisbury"

Derald wrote:
> JonL <JonL@Mayday.com> wrote:
>
>> It works in Japan:
> No, it doesn't.

Yes, it does :)
But it works less efficiently than tossing the fuel cell and using the
same amount of electricity to charge up a couple batteries.

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TOPIC: How to re-program car remotes
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6dcc4ba7e27a87b5?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 1:33 pm
From: Kompu Kid

On Jun 19, 9:12 am, Bebe <BbN...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 18, 1:52 pm, Kompu Kid <deg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello All:
>
> > I am about to purchase a Chevrolet remote for the doors to replace my
> > broken one.
>
> > How do I program it to work with my door? Do I go to the dealer? Can a
> > lock smith do it?
>
> > Thanks
>
> > Deguza
>
> Where are you purchasing it?
> Bebe

From a friend. His truck is totaled so he has a unit he does not need
any more.

Deguza

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 2:08 pm
From: Bebe

On Jun 19, 3:33 pm, Kompu Kid <deg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 19, 9:12 am, Bebe <BbN...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 18, 1:52 pm, Kompu Kid <deg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Hello All:
>
> > > I am about to purchase a Chevrolet remote for the doors to replace my
> > > broken one.
>
> > > How do I program it to work with my door? Do I go to the dealer? Can a
> > > lock smith do it?
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > > Deguza
>
> > Where are you purchasing it?
> > Bebe
>
> From a friend. His truck is totaled so he has a unit he does not need
> any more.
>
> Deguza- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Well, when mine stopped working, I took it to the dealership where I
bought the truck. They fixed it for me for free. I would suggest
calling a local Chevy dealer and inquiring about getting one
programmed for your vehicle. Good Luck!

Bebe

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TOPIC: How to win love back win love back
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5ab114fc34ac997f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 1:55 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Jun 17, 12:27 am, RABBIT <getex...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How to win love back win love back
> YES! You can win back your true love. Even if you feel hopeless… Even
> if your lover is resistant… Even if you have been apart for a long
> time!
>
> A secret breakthrough formula has just been released and is literally
> taking the world by storm. Lovers everywhere are getting back together
> and it's all down to this simple, step-by-step program called 'Win
> Back Love'.
>
I love football, I love beer. Let's not cheapen the meaning of the
word.

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TOPIC: I figured if living frugally already, why not also try this?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/9ad4146af2a051b9?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 1:59 pm
From: Al Bundy

cashbee...@gmail.com wrote:
> ( I actually know this lady and it�s all true
> RE: her story and what she went through. )
>
> The name of the new google group is BECOME AN INTERNET MILLIONAIRE.
>
> I finally talked her into writing her story down on paper. I begged
> her permission for 3 years before she would allow me to create a
> Google group so that other people could learn more about how to climb
> back from the abyss financially.

If you're begging your women, you're doing it wrong. Talk to Tom
Leikas.

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TOPIC: Senate Housing Bill Requires eBay, Amazon, Google, and All Credit Card
Companies to Report Transactions to the Government
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/995e66793c4ef4b6?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Jun 19 2008 2:58 pm
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

http://www.freedomworks.org/newsroom/press_template.php?press_id=2571

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cannot sleep forever."--Thomas Jefferson

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide
everything." -- Josef V. Stalin

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some surprises.

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