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Wednesday, July 2, 2008

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TOPIC: 8g^N' Rich or Stupid? 8g^N'kT
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Jul 1 2008 10:18 pm
From: "BLAZON"

Must Read Book:

"Will The Next Liar Please Stand Up"

http://www.SoupNaziSecrets.com/ng2.html

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TOPIC: Companies packaging cleansers, other deadly chemicals in bottles that
look like beverage containers
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 2:14 am
From: balanco01@yahoo.com

http://consumerist.com/tag/poison-control/?i=5021330&t=dont-drink-lamp-oil-or-youll-die

Don't Drink Lamp Oil Or You'll Die

Just saw this on the TV, lamp oil manufacturers have issued a new
warning: don't drink lamp oil. It seems someone died after doing so.
Not sure what the story is, but like other household products, it's
important to keep them in their proper containers. For instance, some
colored lamp oils can look like cranberry juice. Here are some other
poisons and the foods they can look like.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 6:11 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com

On Jul 2, 5:14 am, balanc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://consumerist.com/tag/poison-control/?i=5021330&t=dont-drink-lam...
>
> Don't Drink Lamp Oil Or You'll Die
>
> Just saw this on the TV, lamp oil manufacturers have issued a new
> warning: don't drink lamp oil. It seems someone died after doing so.
> Not sure what the story is, but like other household products, it's
> important to keep them in their proper containers. For instance, some
> colored lamp oils can look like cranberry juice. Here are some other
> poisons and the foods they can look like.

And in other news, water is wet. I'm so sick of this "foam pad the
world"
mentality. Some moronic mistakes should be fatal, preferably before
the
deceased has had a chance to add more "stupid" to the gene pool. We
have
enough of that already.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 7:43 am
From: Vandy Terre

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 06:11:23 -0700 (PDT), tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:

>On Jul 2, 5:14 am, balanc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> http://consumerist.com/tag/poison-control/?i=5021330&t=dont-drink-lam...
>>
>> Don't Drink Lamp Oil Or You'll Die
>>
>> Just saw this on the TV, lamp oil manufacturers have issued a new
>> warning: don't drink lamp oil. It seems someone died after doing so.
>> Not sure what the story is, but like other household products, it's
>> important to keep them in their proper containers. For instance, some
>> colored lamp oils can look like cranberry juice. Here are some other
>> poisons and the foods they can look like.
>
>And in other news, water is wet. I'm so sick of this "foam pad the
>world"
>mentality. Some moronic mistakes should be fatal, preferably before
>the
>deceased has had a chance to add more "stupid" to the gene pool. We
>have
>enough of that already.

Okay, I agree this 'foam pad the world mentality' is getting old. But maybe it
is needed.

No longer do multiple generations live in one home and pass information to each
other.

No longer do small families only have a half dozen children, with the older
children helping with the care of the younger and the younger in turn helping
with the offspring of older siblings.

No longer do poisonous/ toxic substances come in textured bottles so that at a
touch a person knows to be cautious. I am not event sure the old 'skull and
crossbones' poison warning is on all the products it really should be. I know
my children did not have the symbol drilled into them as a warning of danger in
public school. I taught it to them, but it is not on all it should be.

With the advent of birth control devices being readily available, family size
has decreased. Many children are strongly encouraged to move out at age
eighteen or before. The nuclear family is now a rare thing. Safety measures
that were once taught by living in a large, multi-generation family are
forgotten. Social pressure on families that try to keep multi-generations
together is near unbearable.

Manufacturers have developed the means to attract customers with pretty
containers and no longer understand that pretty can be deadly. Income is the
driving force, not customer safety. Legally, the manufacturer can label a
product and/ or container as dangerous so as to avoid responsibility.

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TOPIC: giving in & buying Microsoft Works for an end to nagging
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 5:34 am
From: Samantha Hill - remove TRASH to reply

Lou wrote:
>
> I haven't tried Google apps or Star Office, but someone else mentioned Open
> Office, and I have tried that. It's compatible with Microsoft Word - sorta.
>
> It seems that it'll open Word files OK, and for the most part display them
> they way you'd expect and if you produce a document using this software,
> Word opens it and usually displays what you want. The catch is in that "for
> the most part" and "usually". Depending on how sophisticated the document
> is, there are things that don't port between the two packages correctly.

Okay, here's my secret -- save your OO files in Word 6.0 format, not the
latest Word format. It should convert fine.

Whatever you do, DON'T save it in RTF format -- it doesn't convert well
for some reason.

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TOPIC: Surviving high heating oil prices
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/a184bef53e828bc7?hl=en
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== 1 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 6:15 am
From: "Bill"

It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
into one house. Then each pays half.

Might want to start making friends with that mother-in-law...

== 2 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 6:27 am
From: "Dave"

"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6d1dc7FbbjqU1@mid.individual.net...
> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
>
> For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
> into one house. Then each pays half.

How would that help? You'd still need the other house heated to at least
55F. So you might be saving about 20%, but what's the point?

That is, unless you are going to shut off the water in the other
ouse. -Dave

== 3 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 6:45 am
From: "Bill"

"Dave" wrote in message
>
> "Bill" wrote in message
>> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
>>
>> For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
>> into one house. Then each pays half.
>
> How would that help? You'd still need the other house heated to at least
> 55F. So you might be saving about 20%, but what's the point?
>
> That is, unless you are going to shut off the water in the other
> use. -Dave
>

Yes, turn off the water in the other house and "winterize" it.

Winterizing a house...
http://www.alpharubicon.com/prepinfo/winterizefireman.htm

== 4 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 6:58 am
From: "h"

"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:g4fvng$b8m$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
> "Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6d1dc7FbbjqU1@mid.individual.net...
>> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
>>
>> For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
>> into one house. Then each pays half.
>
> How would that help? You'd still need the other house heated to at least
> 55F. So you might be saving about 20%, but what's the point?
>

Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

== 5 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 7:23 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <6d1dc7FbbjqU1@mid.individual.net>, "Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
>
>For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
>into one house. Then each pays half.
>
>Might want to start making friends with that mother-in-law...

My brother started using electric last year. I know the electric prices will also be going up shortly.
At least electric enables you to heat the area its needed.

greg

== 6 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 8:35 am
From: "Dave"

>>
>
> Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?

Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can die
of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

== 7 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 8:47 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <g4g76q$lf1$1@registered.motzarella.org>, "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>
>> Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?
>
>Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can die
>of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave
>
I really don't like it below 70 unless I'm sleeping. Sometimes thats even
hard for older folks. If I'm home watching TV after dinner, its got to be at least 73.

I go camping outside in the 40's. It's usually in the summer on those extra cold nights when you least expect it.

I have plenty of trees in the back yard. i do plan on putting the wood/coal stove back
in the garage. I do have an extra stove brick chimney attached to the house but
its in a poor location. Someday I will have to connect up a stove.

greg

== 8 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 8:21 am
From: Ann

On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 06:45:10 -0700, Bill wrote:

> "Dave" wrote in message
>>
>> "Bill" wrote in message
>>> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
>>>
>>> For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two
>>> families into one house. Then each pays half.
>>
>> How would that help? You'd still need the other house heated to at
>> least 55F. So you might be saving about 20%, but what's the point?
>>
>> That is, unless you are going to shut off the water in the other use.
>> -Dave
>>
>>
> Yes, turn off the water in the other house and "winterize" it.
>
> Winterizing a house...
> http://www.alpharubicon.com/prepinfo/winterizefireman.htm

Another thing to consider for an unheated house is ventilation. I know
people who decided to save money by turning off the heat while they
were away during the winter. They did fine protecting both the supply
and drainage lines, but closed he house up tight. They came back to a very
musty house, including inside the outer walls.

== 9 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 9:45 am
From: clams_casino

Dave wrote:

>
>
>>>
>>
>> Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?
>
>
> Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you
> can die of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

h is the same guy who claims he hasn't seen a doctor in 30 years because
they don't know anything. He also believes there is no difference in
taste between Frozen vs. fresh food & believers a 350 cholesterol count
is no problem.

He's either the newest roll to the group or the dumbest poster yet
(beating even Rod).

== 10 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 9:49 am
From: clams_casino

GregS wrote:

>In article <g4g76q$lf1$1@registered.motzarella.org>, "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>
>>>Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?
>>>
>>>
>>Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can die
>>of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave
>>
>>
>>
>I really don't like it below 70 unless I'm sleeping. Sometimes thats even
>hard for older folks. If I'm home watching TV after dinner, its got to be at least 73.
>
>I go camping outside in the 40's. It's usually in the summer on those extra cold nights when you least expect it.
>
>I have plenty of trees in the back yard. i do plan on putting the wood/coal stove back
>in the garage. I do have an extra stove brick chimney attached to the house but
>its in a poor location. Someday I will have to connect up a stove.
>
>greg
>
>

67 during the day & 62 at night are our preferred winter settings

It was 68 this morning & thought I was going to die during my early
morning walk.

Up to 80 right now & hate the thought of going outside later today.

Our current summer settings are 73 at night & 75 during the day.

How does anyone stand 90? 80 is bad enough.

== 11 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 11:44 am
From: zekfrivo@zekfrivolous.com (GregS)

In article <3kOak.6929$3q7.4543@newsfe15.lga>, clams_casino <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:
>GregS wrote:
>
>>In article <g4g76q$lf1$1@registered.motzarella.org>, "Dave" <noway@nohow.not>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can die
>>>of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I really don't like it below 70 unless I'm sleeping. Sometimes thats even
>>hard for older folks. If I'm home watching TV after dinner, its got to be at
> least 73.
>>
>>I go camping outside in the 40's. It's usually in the summer on those extra
> cold nights when you least expect it.
>>
>>I have plenty of trees in the back yard. i do plan on putting the wood/coal
> stove back
>>in the garage. I do have an extra stove brick chimney attached to the house
> but
>>its in a poor location. Someday I will have to connect up a stove.
>>
>>greg
>>
>>
>
>
>67 during the day & 62 at night are our preferred winter settings
>
>It was 68 this morning & thought I was going to die during my early
>morning walk.
>
>Up to 80 right now & hate the thought of going outside later today.
>
>Our current summer settings are 73 at night & 75 during the day.
>
>How does anyone stand 90? 80 is bad enough.

I started to sweat just thinking about it. I just hate hunidity. If I'm working 70 is too hot
with high humidity. I built my deck last summer and ther were many 95 days.
I remember the day it hit 117 in Barstow and I went 20 feet from the house to the car
and just made it.

greg

== 12 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 11:45 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Bill <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote

> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!

Anyone with a clue stopped using oil for house heating LONG ago, fool.

> For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families into one house. Then each pays half.

Makes much more sense to just hang yourself instead.

> Might want to start making friends with that mother-in-law...

Makes much more sense to just hang yourself instead.

Dont make a mess of the carpet.

== 13 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 12:01 pm
From: "Brad Naylor"

"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:g4g76q$lf1$1@registered.motzarella.org...
>
>
>>>
>>
>> Who heats their house to more than 55F-60F now?
>
> Anybody who doesn't want to freeze to death. You are aware that you can
> die of exposure at 55F, right? -Dave

Generations of Eskimos make you wonder about that.

== 14 of 14 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 1:40 pm
From: Jeff

Bill wrote:
> It seems heating oil prices for next winter are going through the roof!
>
> For those who can't pay, one way to survive this is to move two families
> into one house. Then each pays half.

Since you will have half as much space, why not just live in half the
space you have now? Close off and don't heat rooms that aren't
essential. Block off unneeded windows, even a good window is a thermal
disaster.

The best way to save is insulating, weatherizing and only heating
what is needed.

I'm not too worried myself. I was a third solar last year and I
should be a third or so more this winter. Fusion power at it's best!

Jeff

>
> Might want to start making friends with that mother-in-law...
>
>

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TOPIC: rfpFAQ Availability
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 6:19 am
From: SCUBApix

The rec.food.preserving FAQ is available at http://rfpfaq.jaclu.com/rfpFAQ.htm.
There have been no changes since the last announcement. See the
difference file for details. We are now at Version 4.2.11 (last
updated 8/5/07).

A detailed, chronological ordering of changes to the FAQ can be found
at http://rfpfaq.jaclu.com/differences.htm .

This is the monthly posting of the availablility of the FAQ.

You may also download a single text file of the FAQ. Just start at the
above place (rfpFAQ.htm) and you will see a link for download where it
talks about the 'differences' file. The new text file opens in your
browser and then you just click 'file' and 'save as' and you should
have it.

Let me know if there are any difficulties

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TOPIC: )6P'$ Get-Rich-Quick Cons BEWARE )6P'$yy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 5:13 am
From: "Miller"

Must Read Book:

"Will The Next Liar Please Stand Up"

http://www.SoupNaziSecrets.com/ng2.html

HMuKM]hJ4x\Wpi9

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TOPIC: O.T. protect your pets from fireworks
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 7:27 am
From: "Mr.SmartyPants"

yes, many pets run off around the 4th of July, some never to return.
Protect them from the noise!
--
If guns are out-lawed. Only the Out-laws & politicians will have guns.

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TOPIC: Donating blood
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 10:31 am
From: val189

On Jun 30, 9:37 am, "h" <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote:
> "Craig" <w...@invalid.us> wrote in message
>
> news:CoV9k.162923$SV4.7770@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> > Greetings,
>
> > I just donated pint #84 today. In addition to getting a free ticket to
> > the top of the Flagstaff AZ's San Francisco Peaks on the ski lift this
> > summer and being entered into a contest to win a car (plus the usual check
> > to make sure I'm not anemic, I don't have HIV or any STD, etc.), I see
> > that my blood bank also now measures donated blood for total cholesterol
> > and will let me check my results online in a few days.
>
> > Do we have any blood bank people around? I wonder if the total
> > cholesterol measurement serves some purpose to the blood banking folks or
> > if it's just a service being offered to the donor. Anyone know? From what
> > I read, they'll send donors a notice by mail if their total cholesterol is
> > 300+ while anything under 300 requires the donor to take the initiative to
> > check the BB's web site to check--with a suggestion that donors check with
> > their family doc if their test results are over 200.
>
> > Craig
>
> Worrying about cholesterol is a total croc. When I was a vegan my
> cholesterol was over 350. At the time, I ate nothing on the list my doc gave
> me to "cut out" of my diet. Once I went back to a sane diet of almost no
> carbs and mostly protein and fat (virtually everything on the "cut out "
> list), my cholesterol dropped to 165, with no other changes in lifestyle.
> Frankly, I couldn't care less what my cholesterol level is and I have no
> idea since I haven't seen adoctorsince my 20s, some30yearsago. Doctors
> don't know anything.

Ever thought about your psa score?

Let me remind you of a friend who also boasted that he hadn't been to
a doctor in 25 years - and died in bed one night - coronary - widow
still angry that he might have prevented his untimely death.

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TOPIC: Women love it.Women want it.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 11:45 am
From: David

Women love it.Women want it.
http://www.rare-diamonds-gallery.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: &T>j; Rich or Stupid? &T>j;,6
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Jul 2 2008 12:10 pm
From: "Kolar"

Must Read Book:

"Will The Next Liar Please Stand Up"

http://www.SoupNaziSecrets.com/ng2.html

.w>>K8/EHFl0]@i

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