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TOPIC: frugal used battery
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 4:31 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:31:57 -0700 (PDT), Al Bundy
<MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:

> Tom and Ray, the Car Talk radio show guys, told a story of how
>thieves would steal a battery and then come back and steal the new
>replacement. So when it happened to one of them, he cleaned up a dead
>battery from the shop so it looked new and put it in the car on the
>street. The dead battery was then stolen. I don't know if it's a true
>story. Seems like it might invite vandalism anyway.
>PS. I don't know what you did to stop the latch from opening, but I
>guarantee I could be under that hood in seconds with way more damage
>that you want happening over a battery.

So when the alarm goes off before you even start wrenching the
hold-down how many seconds does it take you to get out of sight?

--Vic

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 4:55 pm
From:

>
> Stolen. I found the hood ajar and the battery missing.
>

Check your insurance policy, it may cover thief with no deductible.

Years ago I'd used a chain and padlock to lock up the hood. The pucks in my
inner city area were not able to got into my engine compartment and got so
pissed that they broke my windshield. As a student, I couldn't afford
comprehensive insurance and learn how to replace the windshield myself
purchased from a junk yard.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 9:34 pm
From: Jeff

Al Bundy wrote:
>
> Jeff wrote:
>> Shawn Hirn wrote:
>>> In article <U_CdnUiwZ-iofQ7VnZ2dnUVZ_h3inZ2d@earthlink.com>,
>>> Jeff <jeff@spam_me_not.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My car battery died a couple weeks back and I bought a new battery.
>>>> This morning I found out that I no longer had a car battery.
>>>>
>>>> I've acquired a used battery that looks like it's been overfilled and
>>>> is not holding a charge for long. Aren't there some tricks to
>>>> rejuvinating used car batteries?
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>>> Maybe its a matter of personal preference, but I get in my car and start
>>> it, the last thing I want is for the battery to die. Considering that
>>> car batteries rarely have to be replaced and they are not very
>>> expensive, I prefer to buy a new one when the time comes and not worry
>>> about if the old battery will continue to work. If starting your car is
>>> important to you, don't bother with a used battery.
>>>
>>> By the way, I don't understand your first paragraph. If you bought a new
>>> car battery, what happened to it?
>> Stolen. I found the hood ajar and the battery missing.
>>
>> I'm unsure how the hood was raised since it has an inside hood
>> release. There is an unobvious way of bypassing that and that may have
>> been the thief's method. I've cut off the shortcut.
>>
>> I'd rather not go through a string of new batteries, batteries are
>> still $60+ a pop. As the leader of the free world put it: "Fool me
>> once, shame on- shame you. Fool me- you can't get fooled again." -
>> George W. Bush
>>
>> Jeff
> Tom and Ray, the Car Talk radio show guys, told a story of how
> thieves would steal a battery and then come back and steal the new
> replacement. So when it happened to one of them, he cleaned up a dead
> battery from the shop so it looked new and put it in the car on the
> street. The dead battery was then stolen. I don't know if it's a true
> story. Seems like it might invite vandalism anyway.
> PS. I don't know what you did to stop the latch from opening, but I
> guarantee I could be under that hood in seconds with way more damage
> that you want happening over a battery.

There's a misconception about thieves. They steal because it is easy.
I say that as someone whose car (the same car) has been stolen once and
attempted to have been stolen twice. 88 New Yorkers are apparently easy.

There's a cable that releases the latch, on the opposite side of the
cable attachment is the other end of the lever and you can slip a
screwdriver into a slot in this lever and pop the hood. I cut this end off.

At this point I don't care about the appearance of the car as the
front end was already clipped by an out of control SUV on XMAS eve. For
the moment, necessary frugality prevents me from replacing the car.

Jeff

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TOPIC: how to survive the heat and cold on a low budget
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ada7c54e5466e89d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 4:41 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:20:30 -0400, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>Derald wrote:
>
>> Dunno anything about air conditioning; never had it in the home or
>>motor vehicle. I put it into the same category as cable teevee: Don't
>>need it; don't know anyone who does.
>>
>>
>
>When we moved to RI, I resisted putting in air while trying a portable
>unit. We finally put in central air a few years ago, thinking the
>installation cost would mostly be recovered in a sales price.
>
>I was concerned about the running cost. Just got our bill for last
>month - even with the country's highest electricity costs ($16.5/KWHr
>and soon to go up another 20%), the cost of central air from 6/26 - 7/28
>was only about $75 (over the typically cost for lights, etc). That
>was half what we spent several summers ago for the single unit & July
>was one of the highest monthly average temperature on record for RI.
>
>That $75 was well worth every penny. We tend to keep the living areas
>about 74-75F (80F in alternate area), using programmable thermostats to
>separately control up (night) / down stair (day) areas.

I like central air. Put in a new furnace anyway when I bought the
house, so it wasn't much more to add the air.
Really opened up the light too, getting rid of a couple big window
units.
We keep it at 80F and sometimes drop it to 78-79 if we feel
uncomfortable. Ceilings fan make that work for us.
It really doesn't cost much to take the heat edge off.
Also good to know the outside temps and open the windows when
it's right.
Bricks hold the daytime heat and opening windows when the evening
temps drop enough sometimes cools the house faster than the A/C.

--Vic

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TOPIC: Part of frugal living may be spotting the next mess before it blind
sides you.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/82578bd2c1b6f6f9?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 5:42 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:6fmoo4Fcdgv9U1
@mid.individual.net:

> Hell of a lot easier said than done tho.
>
> I dont recall anyone predicting the sub prime fiasco before it happened.

You weren't listening to the right voices.
I heard plenty of people predicting the fiasco.
But no body was listening to them. Or worst, they
were being called all kinds of bad names by the
people who were making all the sub prime loans.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 7:24 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> Hell of a lot easier said than done tho.

>> I dont recall anyone predicting the sub prime fiasco before it happened.

> You weren't listening to the right voices.

Wrong.

> I heard plenty of people predicting the fiasco.

Bet you cant actually provide even a single cite on that.

> But no body was listening to them.

There wasnt anyone predicting it to listen to.

> Or worst, they were being called all kinds of bad names
> by the people who were making all the sub prime loans.

Another lie.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 7:36 pm
From: phil scott

On Aug 3, 7:24 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Hell of a lot easier said than done tho.
> >> I dont recall anyone predicting the sub prime fiasco before it happened.
> > You weren't listening to the right voices.
>
> Wrong.
>
> > I heard plenty of people predicting the fiasco.
>
> Bet you cant actually provide even a single cite on that.
>
> > But no body was listening to them.
>
> There wasnt anyone predicting it to listen to.
>
> > Or worst, they were being called all kinds of bad names
> > by the people who were making all the sub prime loans.
>
> Another lie.

the world famous erwin schiff, George soros, Senator Ron Paul...
several dozen others
just search youtube for their video's under 'economics'....

your insults and bluster to not suffice bud... and no, not many of
cater to idiots who refuse to
do their own research...if we provide it these types just keep on
trashing.

its not impressive... Ive met a few face to face.... drooling
toothless idiots in most cases, drunks with body odor who think its
cute to post such ignorant rebuttals

Phil scott

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 9:18 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

phil scott <phil@philscott.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
>> Gordon <go...@alltomyself.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Hell of a lot easier said than done tho.

>>>> I dont recall anyone predicting the sub prime fiasco before it happened.

>>> You weren't listening to the right voices.

>> Wrong.

>>> I heard plenty of people predicting the fiasco.

>> Bet you cant actually provide even a single cite on that.

>>> But no body was listening to them.

>> There wasnt anyone predicting it to listen to.

>>> Or worst, they were being called all kinds of bad names
>>> by the people who were making all the sub prime loans.

>> Another lie.

> the world famous erwin schiff, George soros, Senator Ron Paul...

Not one of those ever predicted the sub prime fiasco before it happened.

> several dozen others

Another lie.

> just search youtube for their video's under 'economics'....

Not one of which predicted the sub prime fiasco before it happened.

Cite even just one, you cant, it doesnt exist.

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TOPIC: To juice or not.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bb065ec0061ab7cd?hl=en
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== 1 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 5:45 pm
From: Pan

On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:13:45 -0400, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>>You mean that You did better under the higher taxes?
>
>Unless you are in the top 1% (<$250k/ yr), it's highly unlikely you are
>better off today vs. 10 years ago.

I'm hardly in the top 1% and yes I am better off.
My stocks made money up until this year. And the market will recover.

> Improved international
>relations can play a significant factor. Pissing off allies has not
>been effective.

They will become friendly again as soon as they need money, or
protection.

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 5:57 pm
From: Pan

On Sat, 2 Aug 2008 18:47:53 -0700 (PDT), tmclone@searchmachine.com
wrote:

>NO. My taxes were lower under Clinton.
How did you do that? Bushes tax cuts reduced all tax levels.

> Two "quartets"? Did you mean
>"quarters"? Moron. And no, there were NO quarters of negative growth

Ah the sign of intelligence, go right for the personal attack.

>The gubmint had a SURPLUS!
You mean the he had eliminated all of the national debt, and had money
left over? That he did not raise money from a one time sale.
>
>Any yes, I KNOW the Democrats can spend INFINITELY more
>wisely than the Repugnants
But can they spend your money more wisely then you can.

>libertanrians take responsibility for their own lives.
But you think that Dems will interfere less in your life then the GOP?

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 6:07 pm
From: Pan

On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:23:11 -0400, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>>Just where do you get this information.
>>The poor with the section 8 housing, free health care, welfare
>>payments,child credits & rebates pay a negative percentage of their
>>income.
>>
>>
>
>which is a very small portion of the total, essentially balanced out by
>the relatively few wealthy who pay little no no income taxes.
And this has what to do with what we were talking about?
>
>
>Personally, I get much more welfare than those you are describing
>through the significant subsidies I (and many others) enjoy through
>generous deductions of mortgage interest, property taxes and a very
>generous, essentially tax free medical coverage. I do pay a
>significant amount of taxes, but without these generous subsidies, I'd
>never have been able to afford my more-than-adequate home which has
>appreciated significantly in value over the years (in site of the recent
>crash), where the proceeds are .... tax free.

Let me try to explain again, do you pay taxes?
The people getting welfare, get more money from the govt. then they
pay in taxes. there fore they have a negative tax burden.

And the proceeds from the appreciation on your home is tax free ?
Wait until you sell. The appreciation is not tax free, it is tax
deferred.
>

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 6:19 pm
From: Pan

On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:04:50 -0400, clams_casino
<PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote:

>Huh? From what I recall, the 2001 recession started when business &
>investors flocked to bonds & CDs while reducing business expansion upon
>his election - fear of GW leadership.
You go to bonds and CDs after you see indications of a depression.
Not because of election.
>
>and 9/11 because of Clinton
>
>>not taking Osoma when offered.

>
>What did that have to do with the Iraq invasion?
Who was talking about the Iraq war? That started more then a year into
Bush's term.

>>The stock market grew for five of those six years
>>Unemployment dropped, due to tax cuts.

>
>Hello - the stock market indices are essentially where they were when GW
>was appointed office. Hoe's your Roth? Making any profits?
Yes I took money out before the housing crash, and am now waiting for
the market to rebound.
>
>>>It was widely shown that GW's initial tax rebates
>>>(which primarily went to the wealthy) ended up primarily for paying down
>>>debt - NOT business expansion / investment..

>>Widely known? I haven't heard that, where did you get your
>>information. Cite please.
>
>http://www.nber.org/papers/w8672 is one of many.

You better read that again, that is about the new 10% bracket. mainly
poor people. And they got a rebate.
>>
>>
>>>GW has been all about providing
>>>welfare for the rich - at the expense of the majority.
All tax levels received a tax cut under Bush's tax cuts. Yes the
wealthy got bigger cut, (not percentage wise) because they paid more
tax's.

>>The tax cuts to the wealthy created jobs, so the poor didn't need
>>welfare.
>>
>>
>>
>
>What jobs? The housing industry was the most significant part of the
>job growth over the past six years and that had more to do with the Fed
>lowering borrowing rates in a desperate attempt to bail out GW's poor
>leadership.
>
>>
>>
>>>So the bottom line ends up that if you feel the president has nothing to
>>>do with the economy,
>>>
>>>
>>He has very little with the economy. And that is widely known!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>
>Huh? The president has everything to due with the economy. He sets
>the stage - business & investors react accordingly. Granted, it's
>mostly perception, but when the outlook looks poor, savvy investors
>invest less, individuals spend less, business es don't expand. Under
>Clinton, most thought the party would never end - the economy grew
>accordingly. Under GW, it's been doom & gloom - poor expectations, etc.
>
>
>>>If nothing else, you really need to consider the upcoming Supreme
>>>Court appointments. Actually, that's really the most critical aspect of
>>>the next election.
>>>
>>>
>>And that is why I'm for Mc Cain.
>>
>>
>
>If more government intervention is your hope (reduced freedoms, women as
>chattel, etc), a continuing declining dollar / inflation and more
>international isolation is desired, I can see where McBush is your man..
>
>
>
>
>
>

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 6:22 pm
From: Pan

On Sat, 02 Aug 2008 18:58:24 -0500, max <betatron@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>*You* *People* didn't believe for one microsecond that Osama was a
>threat and you lost forever the moral right to criticize when you first
>uttered the words "wag the dog".
>
>.max

Well Max I don't know who "you people" are but, wag the dog, had
nothing to do with Osama.

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 6:22 pm
From: "cybercat"

"Pan" <ohco@hotmail.com> wrote

> All tax levels received a tax cut under Bush's tax cuts. Yes the
> wealthy got bigger cut, (not percentage wise) because they paid more
> tax's.

Aww, isn't that sweet. Pan attended the G. W. Bush School of punctuation.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 8:00 pm
From: Marsha

cybercat wrote:
> Aww, isn't that sweet. Pan attended the G. W. Bush School of punctuation.
>

That's the best you can come up with? Your credibility just dropped to -50.

Marsha/Ohio

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 9:05 pm
From: "cybercat"

"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:g75rbp$6ab$1@news.datemas.de...
> cybercat wrote:
>> Aww, isn't that sweet. Pan attended the G. W. Bush School of punctuation.
>
> That's the best you can come up with? Your credibility just dropped
> to -50.
>
> Marsha/Ohio
>

And coming from you, that really shatters me.

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TOPIC: Miss Manners on preventing freeloading from neighbors
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/98e75ec641c30745?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 6:50 pm
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

http://www.mercurynews.com/entertainmentheadlines/ci_10070090?nclick_check=1

DEAR MISS MANNERS: We live in a fairly affluent neighborhood in a
woodsy suburb of a major city. At least a couple times per year, trees
fall during storms, causing a power outage, some of which last an
extended period of time.

Like a few other residents of this neighborhood, we purchased a backup
generator, which automatically supplies power when there is an outage.

A neighbor with whom we are cordial but do not socialize began
appearing at our door during these outages requesting to use our
refrigerator, our bathroom to apply makeup for a night out on the
town, and other such requests. The last time she brought an extension
cord and suggested that we let her run it to her house.

We feel a bit like the Little Red Hen: We've taken the initiative to
prepare for these outages, yet this woman just wants to rely on
us.........

(end of excerpt)

I like the way she answers it.

Lenona.

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TOPIC: jordan shoes ,nike shoes,adidas
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/299888e387331340?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 9:26 pm
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TOPIC: Fowl Math
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 10:56 pm
From: The Real Bev

Terri wrote:

> Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> While you're at it, maybe you can also figure out if a chicken and a
>> half can lay an egg and a half in a day in a half, how long will it
>> take a grasshopper with a wooden leg to kick all the seeds out of a
>> dill pickle?
>> ;-)
> Hah! I'd forgotten just how evil you really are!
>
> Maybe I'll just go shoot and eat the neighbor's noisy peacocks.

Report back, possibly with recipes. I'm sure the people in Arcadia
(wild free-range PROTECTED peacocks, but I doubt anybody would tattle).
Damn things poop green glue.

--
Cheers, Bev
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"If your mechanic claims that he stands behind his brake jobs, keep
looking. You want to find one willing to stand in front of them."

-- B. Ward

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TOPIC: Say goodbye to all two wheeler probelms - two wheeler association
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 3 2008 11:41 pm
From: swamy9346227098@gmail.com

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