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Tuesday, November 25, 2008

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TOPIC: Doorbell always uses electricity!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/3198294a289e9e57?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 7:24 pm
From: clare@snyder.on.ca

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:22:33 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

>In <40c66d71-3ccd-4ec0-9c63-d8a772443a55@x14g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
>meow2222@care2.com wrote:
>
>>Jim Redelfs wrote:
><SNIP what was already said>
>>
>>The other point worth making is that the power and cost figures for
>>standby power are routinely exaggerated.
>
> The ones I mentioned in this thread are actual measurements. I have a
>watt meter!
>
>> Those with political interest
>>in having everyone else unplug everything are either not competent in
>>the subject, or are happy to be lses than honest to try to motivate
>>others to unplug.
>>
>>And of course, biggest of all... youve only got one life, try to spend
>>the time doing something useful. Speaking of which.... later.
>
> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

I have quite an assortment of "wall warts" and other assorted power
supplies for devices that have been discarded over the years.

All of them work.
I tested 19 of them for idle current draw on a digital meter that
reeds to the closes 0.01 amp.
6 of the 19 registered no parasitic draw at all, and the rest varied
from .02 to .06 amps

Additionally:

My PC draws .05A
The charger for my Craftsman battery drill draws 0.05A

Both battery chargers for nicads / nimh batteries showed no idle
current at all.

A 200watt Variac shows no draw at all.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 7:54 pm
From: Red Green

terry <tsanford@nf.sympatico.ca> wrote in
news:832f099d-1b47-43f2-b0ff-4c2b04f18187@z1g2000yqn.googlegroups.com:

> On Nov 23, 11:40 am, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:40:02 -0800, "Bill"
>>
>> <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >This thread has seemed to hit a nerve!
>>
>> >Why are so many people getting upset that I am working to eliminate
>> >"vam
> pire
>> >loads" in my house and reduce my electric bill?
>>
>> >Anyway here are the facts about "vampire power" for those who are
>> >intere
> sted
>> >in this (can be 5% of your electric bill and 75% of the power for
>> >electr
> onic
>> >things is used while the devices are turned off!)....
>> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standby_power
>>
>> Please do not confuse Wikipedia for facts. As to that 75% number, it
>> is highly suspect.
>>
>> Again, a simple cost/benefit analysis would show the best path to
>> follow. However, simple math is beyond many people who blindly follow
>> whatever the current fad is (be it global warming, electric cars, or
>> whatever) in an attempt to appear 'on top of things', and 'all wise'.
>>
>> In the end, sure you can save a few penny's of electricity, and spend
>> dollars doing so. And perhaps you feel good doing it that way. Fine,
>> it's your house, as long as no one else gets hurt, go for it. But, if
>> you are really interested in saving money (or energy) then I'd
>> recommend thinking about what you are doing, looking at real numbers,
>> analyzing the various factors (including items such as startup
>> current) and seeing what is the real best solution.
>
> Exactly. What interested people here I think was the the fallacy and
> futility of worrying about a minuscule amount of wasted energy;
> equivalent perhaps to the home heat lost during time taken to have the
> front door open on a cold day to bring in a few bags of groceries!
>
> It's heartening though that in this day and age of wasteful and
> prodigal monster homes, jacuzzi and swimming pool styles of living,
> V8 Hummers etc. (A situation possibly being currently amended by
> 'tightening our belts'?) is that there is awareness and interest in
> WHAT IS WORTH DOING to conserve.
>
> What seems to escape many is that by spending many dollars to use
> manufactured items one only saves a few cents worth of energy. All
> manufactured items require resources and energy to manufacture. For
> example how much elctrcity is required say, to refine iron ore, make
> galvanized sheet steel and stamp out an electrical outlet box, along
> with the energy required to run the factory in which it is made,
> package it, transport it to a local retail outlet, stock the shelves,
> buy or have screws to mount, bring it home, etc. etc. ??????
>
> A neighbour (driven by a wife with virtually zero technical
> appreciation) has gone all CFLs. Even for those locations where lights
> are only used occasionally. Each CFL costs around $3 compared to the
> 25 cent el-cheapos I use and requires several manufacturing operations
> involving electronic components and a very small amount of mercury.
> But their electricity consumption has changed little.
>
> Why? Because they like most here they use electrcity for heating. So
> any waste heat from 'inefficient' old fashioned incandescent light
> bulbs does not contribute to warming the home; likewise an
> 'inefficient' fridge etc. lost heat from an electric hot water tank
> etc.
>
> One item that does waste heat energy is a clothes dryer; it just
> chucks warm damp air outside for some 20 to 30 minutes each time it is
> run. Hey must cost that out! We run ours as little as possible and
> whenver weather allows dry heavy items, blankets, towels etc. on our
> two cothes lines. See item on clothe line supports.
>
> Cheers.

I've frequently thought about how stupid it is that in the winter we heat
homes, have this box inside that takes that heated air and makes it cold
and loses that cold because of the heated air around it that used to be
cold air.

Probably cost a fortune to make refrigs that could use piped in air from
outside. And the further south you are the longer the ROI breakeven.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 8:55 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <hocli49h4tdjpafvbcn88cpa4ngaduug44@4ax.com>, Gary H wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 08:17:33 -0500, George <george@nospam.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>>But the Chi Coms need to meet our requirements if it is sold here. I
>>can't remember the last time I saw a new walwart that wasn't a much more
>>efficient switcher design instead of an inefficient transformer.
>
>The new wall-warts are smaller, but it's NOT by eliminating the
>transformer. These new ones begin with an AC-to-AC converter, that
>operates on line voltage and raises the frequency. A higher frequency
>requires a smaller transformer.
>
>"Switcher" refers to a more efficient voltage regulator, that controls
>the DC output by turning it on and off rather than by wasting power
>like a linear regulator (as in older wall warts) does. This also makes
>it smaller by reducing the need for a heat sink.

The "Switcher" can refer to not only a DC voltage regulator, but also to
circuitry operating a greatly smaller transformer that may require voltage
regulation means.

"Switcher"/"Switchmode" even applies to high frequency usage of a
miniaturized high frequency gransformer than can weigh close to or even
under 1/4 ounce, along with voltage regulation *that in more-crude form*
can be merely an analogue of a thermostat, as in there is an "output
filter capacitor" AKA "smoothing capacitor", and the switchmode circuitry
in question is "on" when the output voltage is "insufficient/low" and
"off" when the outputv voltage "exceeds target by whatever margin".

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 9:27 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <tskli41odlnh0vf0t5vk05tp02fhfva9l2@4ax.com>,
clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>On 24 Nov 2008 08:17:33 -0500, George <george@nospam.invalid> said:
>
>>clare@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> But how do you control it when 95%+ of the crap consuming the
>>> "phantom" power is made in China? They don't play by the US's rules.
>>
>>But the Chi Coms need to meet our requirements if it is sold here. I
>>can't remember the last time I saw a new walwart that wasn't a much more
>>efficient switcher design instead of an inefficient transformer.
>
>You think so, eh?
>How about the lead paint on toys, and Melamine in milk products and
>pet food?
>
>They meet our requirements, do they?

USA "customs" is supposed to enforce rules as ro what is allowed to be
imported into USA.

The "Customs and Border Protection" USA government agency is now within
the recently created "Department Of Homeland Security".

In pre-9/11 times, USA had passport checkings governed by "Department of
State", which was one of the 4 "Cabinet Level Departments" of the
"Executive Branch" of USA Federal government back when the Constitution
and the "Bill Of Rights (earlier Amendments to USA's Constitution) took
effect!
Nowadays, how many "Cabinet Level Departments" does USA have? Close to
15? I would want 8! Even that is double what existed in USA in earlier
days/years of existence of what was longer ago called the "Department Of
War"!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 10:31 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

i will take ur advise as i read there are a lot of negative effects if
we still using the doorbell..
i will be anti-doorbell..
=]

xoxo,
aineecumi

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TOPIC: If Detroit automakers sink....
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5f444322ed08bcda?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 7:26 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

i don't think so..

xoxo,
aineecumi

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 8:41 pm
From: "hallerb@aol.com"

China is waiting to buy a automaker just to get the dealer network.

they are ready to sell giga millions of cheap 8 grand econo boxes,
with 100,000 mile warranty.....

the big three will die then even if they survive the current fiancial
collapse

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TOPIC: 10 Things the Food Industry Doesn't Want You to Know
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/255b376899016709?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 7:26 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <mhhmi45idg9nl26o75uvl7qnbiheocd5a5@4ax.com>, Vic Smith wrote:
>On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 00:15:46 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
>Klipstein) wrote:
>
>>In article <ggetu3$t94$1@aioe.org>, h wrote:
>>>
>>>"tyuj" <tyuj@apam.com> wrote in message
>>>news:6p09ksF5jufhU1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>> "tyuj" appears to me to be Rod Speed.
>
>Ya think?
>Hope that's not a pig ignorant lie.
>If so Your problem.

Do you oppose exposure of tactics of Rod Speed? I suspect you know some
of that sub-troll's tactics and strategies that are merely a step or so
above tactics...

I hope you remain well above that sub-troll while saying one of the
sub-troll's favorite phrases!

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 7:30 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <ggfign$gh6$1@aioe.org>, h wrote:
>
>"Seerialmom" <seerialmom@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:b6dc861d-f083-4174-97f6-1e3597841c14@x16g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>On Nov 24, 10:21 am, "tyuj" <t...@apam.com> wrote:
>> h <tmcl...@searchmachine.com> wrote
>>
>> > SoCalMike <mikein562athotm...@hotmail.com> wrote
>> >> h wrote
>> >>> Tim Campbell <timc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>> >>>> 10 Things the Food Industry Doesn't Want You to Know
>> >>> All you really need to do is declare high fructose corn syrup unfit
>> >>> for human consumption, like most other civilized
>> >>> countries.
>> >> which countries have banned it? what are their obesity rates?
>> > Canada and I believe most Latin American countries.
>>
>> You're wrong/lying.
>>
>> > I don't know if it's completely banned in the EU, but they have strict
>> > quotas on the production of non-sugar
>> > (sucrose/cane) sweeteners,
>>
>> Pig ignorant lie.
>>
>> > so it can't be used much if at all in Europe.
>>
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>
>> > HFCS should not be consumed by humans.
>>
>> Another pig ignorant lie.
>>
>> > I can't believe anyone would eat anything with that poison in it.
>>
>> Your problem.
>>
>> > It's not like it even tastes good. Yuck.
>>
>> Your problem.
>
>>>Is this Rod Speed in disguise??
>
>Sounds like. I plonked Rod ages ago, but I seem to remember him loving the
>phrase "pig ignorant lie". Of course, that could have been some other
>plonker.

My experience is that such plonkees spouting such phrases are
embodiments of the infamous Rod Speed.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 7:51 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

we as parents must warned the affect of eating junk foods to our
children..
example like their teeth will be gone before they reach 20 or
something like that..

xoxo,
aineecumi

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TOPIC: Hello From New Member
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 7:29 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

u can just delete comment that u do not satisfy..
neway welcome pal..

xoxo,
aineecumi

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TOPIC: do you plant to lower your indoor temp this winter?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/a259dedc39c3ba0d?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 7:39 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

i switch it at 24 sometimes..
dun be shocked coz i live in MALAYSIA..
=]

xoxo,
aineecumi

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 8:48 pm
From: E Z Peaces

'nam vet. wrote:
>
> Oh, I forgot, If your feet get cold, it's so hard to sleep. we used to
> heat up a large smooth rock on the wood stove and put it at the foot of
> the bed, Soooo nice !

You may not be aware of cold hands and feet before going to bed, but
they show that the vital organs don't have heat to spare.

Your torso will lose heat in warming a cold bed. You will now feel
cold. Now you will notice your cold feet, and you'll think they're the
cause of your discomfort.

If your feet were warm before getting into bed, that would be a sign
that your torso had enough heat to warm the bed without discomfort. I
monitor my hands instead of my feet because to would be awkward to check
the temperature of my toes against my face. If my hands aren't warm I
can take action before I get chilly enough to be uncomfortable. An
insulated cushion, a vest, a warm collar, and a hat can greatly reduce
heat loss.

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TOPIC: Digital Camera & Boys Clothing - Auctions ending 11/27 - 11/29
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 8:03 pm
From: ClothesOut

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TOPIC: NFL Jerseys =20USD, MLB jerseys =18USD ,NHL hockey jerseys =35USD
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 10:36 pm
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TOPIC: In my country, there's no such thing as food allergy
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/5f96e14d255f3533?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 10:46 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

different country have different lifestyle..

xoxo,
aineecumi

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TOPIC: washable toilet paper?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/cf8d7de21aeefd01?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 10:51 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

better we use water rather we use a toilet paper..
can save the tree and earth..

xoxo,
aineecumi

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TOPIC: How you can save fuel and the environment
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/29147f37f33b890a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 11:13 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

what about rid a bicycle..
thats the best way ever to save the fuel n environment..

xoxo,
aineecumi

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TOPIC: Need a new camera
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/32f873581906831f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 11:24 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

u want it NEW or secondhand??

xoxo,
aineecumi

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TOPIC: Evading parking tickets
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/42a5ea644e061d72?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 11:32 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

i think u better pay because u will leave in scared that police will
arrested u..
good luck in paying them=]

xoxo,
aineecumi

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TOPIC: Laundry hints and tips
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/6a6dcfdf36423bda?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Nov 24 2008 11:46 pm
From: "aineecumi@gmail.com"

thanks for the information..

xoxo,
aineecumi

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