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Friday, January 16, 2009

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TOPIC: classic Mobile Home q.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Jan 15 2009 11:50 pm
From: Gordon

doc marten <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in news:georgewkspam-
FA8011.21154608012009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:

> we have a '59 Rex Mobile home and we love it. but I was curious.
> why does it have complete running lights , two permanent axles , electric
> brakes and hitch . It is 45 x 10 ?
> No ones going traveling with this monster. It's a long , long long
> trailer. It features a lot on built ins. like cabinets and a full
> kitchen not the construction office type.

Probably put there to satisfy some local or federal regulation
at the time. It was probably classified as a trailer. After all,
it was towed to it's site.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 8:21 am
From: doc marten

In article <Xns9B94F27655FE9greederxprtnet@85.214.105.209>,
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:

> doc marten <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote in news:georgewkspam-
> FA8011.21154608012009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net:
>
> > we have a '59 Rex Mobile home and we love it. but I was curious.
> > why does it have complete running lights , two permanent axles , electric
> > brakes and hitch . It is 45 x 10 ?
> > No ones going traveling with this monster. It's a long , long long
> > trailer. It features a lot on built ins. like cabinets and a full
> > kitchen not the construction office type.
>
> Probably put there to satisfy some local or federal regulation
> at the time. It was probably classified as a trailer. After all,
> it was towed to it's site.

Or;; maybe they left the suspension to support the carcass if an
Earthquake knocks it off the blocks.
leaf springs to the rescue. I'll have to check what condition the shocks
are in. 50 yrs. may have taken a toll. No?
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 1:15 am
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TOPIC: Pharmacie pas cher !!!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 3:21 am
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TOPIC: Achat medicament - online.meds4u.eu !!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 3:23 am
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TOPIC: Bernie Madoff's Jewishness
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 4:23 am
From: hpope@lycos.com

http://www.wvwnews.net/printer.php?id=6437

An interesting look at Tribal mentality.

mitch

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TOPIC: Need help quick
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 6:38 am
From: "MarieD"

"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:gkot3h$aas$1@news.datemas.de...
> It's 8 below. Are you serious about the brandy? I assumed that freezing
> paw pads were painful and, since she has some arthritis in her spine, I
> don't want her any more uncomfortable than necessary. She doesn't have
> the ice or snow clumps in between her toes, so that's not the problem. So
> far, I think the sock/rubber band idea might work temporarily.

You can try having a warm towel ready at the door for her to walk on. I keep
a towel at the back door on the floor for my dogs to walk across as they
come in the door so most of the water gets off their feet. If you put a
towel in the dryer, it would be very warm for her to stand on when she comes
in.
Marie

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 9:46 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:57:52 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

>hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 20:16:00 -0500, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>
>>> It's been really cold here, below zero, and we have about a foot of snow
>>> on the ground. Our 12-year-lab was just outside for less than one
>>> minute and she started limping from the cold. We bought booties for her
>>> a couple years ago, because she had the same problem, but they started
>>> leaking and we threw them out. We also thought, in retrospect, that the
>>> problem was salt on her paws, so we didn't replace the booties. We now
>>> know it wasn't a salt problem. I plan on getting new booties tomorrow
>>> after work, but that doesn't help now. Anyone have any quick solutions
>>> to keep her paws from freezing when she has to go out?
>>>
>>> Thanks a bunch.
>>> Marsha
>>
>> I have the same problem...
>>
>> How cold was it? I saw a dog stuck to a fire hydrant...
>>
>> One minute isn't going to be an issue. Put a tablespoon of brandy in
>> her water and warm her up when she comes in.
>
>It's 8 below. Are you serious about the brandy? I assumed that
>freezing paw pads were painful and, since she has some arthritis in her
>spine, I don't want her any more uncomfortable than necessary. She
>doesn't have the ice or snow clumps in between her toes, so that's not
>the problem. So far, I think the sock/rubber band idea might work
>temporarily.
>Thanks,
>Marsha

If she is only out for a minute or less, then her pads shouldn't
freeze. If you want her to be out longer, then socks make sense.
Alcohol dialates blood vessels, which is why you shouldn't drink
before going out, but can warm up faster with a nip after coming in.
I'm pretty sure the mechanisms in dogs are similar, but getting a dog
to drink might be a problem. That small amount would just take the
curse off.

I'm thinking the closed cell blue foam sold for mats under sleeping
bags would make great booties for a dog. Just cut n hot glue them to
shape.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 12:18 pm
From: "h"

<hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> I'm thinking the closed cell blue foam sold for mats under sleeping
> bags would make great booties for a dog. Just cut n hot glue them to
> shape.

Ok, you mean hot gluing the foam to the bottom of SOCKS, right? Not the
dog's feet?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 4:18 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Fri, 16 Jan 2009 15:18:36 -0500, "h" <tmclone@searchmachine.com>
wrote:

>
><hchickpea@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> I'm thinking the closed cell blue foam sold for mats under sleeping
>> bags would make great booties for a dog. Just cut n hot glue them to
>> shape.
>
>Ok, you mean hot gluing the foam to the bottom of SOCKS, right? Not the
>dog's feet?
>
Yeah, into socks. Unless you had a blue tack hound. :-)

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TOPIC: Frugal changes that save more than $100 per month
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 7:11 am
From: "h"

"JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote in message
news:496fa240$0$2832$38cefb40@news.westelcom.com...
>I made my own spread sheets. Expenditurs, income, propane usage - and
> separate for medical records (changes) and food intake (calories, fiber,
> sodium).
>
> Spreadsheets are fun - but thats just me.
>
> But I do my own taxes as well. Have to use that Accounting degree for
> something.
>
I make my own spreadsheets for my business and personal finance tracking as
well. I have a local CPA do my taxes, but that's because of the business. He
runs the numbers through a bunch of different options to see which saves me
the most. He only charges me $75 to do all the schedules, and he's saved me
a ton over what the "tax professionals" (H&R Block, etc.) told me I owed. My
taxes are still outrageous, but $75 a year to save a few thousand is
definitely worth it.

Side note - how on earth did our tax code get so screwed up that it's even
possible to come out with different amounts of tax owed based on how you
process the same amount of deductions?

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 11:22 am
From: "JonquilJan"

<tmclone@searchmachine.com> wrote in message
news:gkq830$30m2$1@adenine.netfront.net...
>
> "JonquilJan" <ward39@imcnet.net> wrote in message
> news:496fa240$0$2832$38cefb40@news.westelcom.com...
> >I made my own spread sheets. Expenditurs, income, propane usage - and
> > separate for medical records (changes) and food intake (calories, fiber,
> > sodium).
> >
> > Spreadsheets are fun - but thats just me.
> >
> > But I do my own taxes as well. Have to use that Accounting degree for
> > something.
> >
> I make my own spreadsheets for my business and personal finance tracking
as
> well. I have a local CPA do my taxes, but that's because of the business.
He
> runs the numbers through a bunch of different options to see which saves
me
> the most. He only charges me $75 to do all the schedules, and he's saved
me
> a ton over what the "tax professionals" (H&R Block, etc.) told me I owed.
My
> taxes are still outrageous, but $75 a year to save a few thousand is
> definitely worth it.
>
> Side note - how on earth did our tax code get so screwed up that it's even
> possible to come out with different amounts of tax owed based on how you
> process the same amount of deductions?
>
Tax code is a sore issue with almost everyone. I think some people stay up
late figuring out how to confuse the rest of the people. Luckily my taxes
are very simple, a small work income and Social Security (SS not taxable in
my situation). But even I am surprised at some things. Such as Earned
Income Credit not being applicable when I got to be 65. For those who
continue to work after age 65 - because they need to financially - that EIC
would be handy.

Only once have I ever had someone else do my taxes - and it wasn't worth the
time. I saw what was done and realized it could have easily done it myself.

JonquilJan

Learn something new every day
As long as you are learning, you are living
When you stop learning, you start dying

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TOPIC: Click n Clack say, don't buy a new car.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/787b95b7a56331ff?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 7:21 am
From: "Lou"

"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
news:hHRbl.34931$4M4.13472@newsfe02.iad...
> Lou wrote:
>
>>"clams_casino" <PeterGriffin@DrunkinClam.com> wrote in message
>>news:8ZQbl.53964$3_4.45492@newsfe10.iad...
(snipped)
>>
>>Again, it depends. My wife and I are way past the point where we'd have a
>>child to pass a car to, we've been empty nesters for over 20 years. We
>>each
>>need a car for commuting to work - my commute alone is around 20,000 miles
>>a
>>year, and my wife's is around 30,000. The best thing I can think of to do
>>with an older, miles getting up there car is trade it in, either as a
>>straight trade or sell it and use the money for a down payment. The last
>>thing the two of us need is a third car. And neither of us wants to be
>>caught 40+ miles from home in a car that suddenly isn't working (happened
>>once, that was plenty).
>>
>>
>>
> So when would you trade? What are you considering as "getting up there"?
>
> I passed on my 2000 Accord to family member at 150k who is approaching
> 200k with negligible problems.
> Agree that one really doesn't want to break down 40+ miles from home,
> especially at night. Did that once (belt broke on my Chrysler). Now I
> carry a cell phone when away from the local area.

"Getting up there" is anything over 100k miles or so. Also, if it's not
paid off, then it's too soon regardless of the mileage. On the other hand,
I had one car were the monthly repair bills were higher than the payments on
a new car - mileage in that case was irrelevant.

The anomaly I find in discussions of this sort is that, if everyone bought
only used cars and no one bought new cars, there wouldn't be any cars after
some number of years. If you look at the big picture, the advice to buy
only used is ultimately nonsense. Buy what you need, with an admixture of
what you want, tempered by a hefty dose of what you can afford.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 7:44 am
From: clams_casino

Lou wrote:

>
>
>"Getting up there" is anything over 100k miles or so. Also, if it's not
>paid off, then it's too soon regardless of the mileage. On the other hand,
>I had one car were the monthly repair bills were higher than the payments on
>a new car - mileage in that case was irrelevant.
>
>The anomaly I find in discussions of this sort is that, if everyone bought
>only used cars and no one bought new cars, there wouldn't be any cars after
>some number of years. If you look at the big picture, the advice to buy
>only used is ultimately nonsense. Buy what you need, with an admixture of
>what you want, tempered by a hefty dose of what you can afford.
>
>
>
>
My 05 Pilot is now at 100k for which I have no concerns driving it
anywhere, although I may start looking around after 150k, assuming it
holds up as expected. Hopefully it'll be several years as we hope to
continue greatly reduced driving. We were averaging about 30k / yr, but
were able to drop that to 20k in 07 and 15k in 08.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 8:56 am
From: doc marten

In article
<georgewkspam-ECA0E1.11113215012009@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
doc marten <georgewkspam@humboldt1.com> wrote:

> Yes, they said it in their latest column.
> That it's Never cheaper even in the long run to buy a New Car.
> and it you want proof.
> get their book "How to buy a great used car",, you might find it on'
> www.cartalk.com

I heard of a guy who bought two new Mercedes and put one on blocks in
some kind of storage and just drove the other until after maybe 20
yrs. he got the old/new one out and kept the first for parts.
I'm not suggesting this to anyone, Just a true story.
I've heard Obama's old Chrysler is getting bids over $110,000
that's re-sale value.
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 2:47 pm
From: SMS

clams_casino wrote:
> High
> mileage drivers (perhaps 25k/yr ore more) tend to do best with new
> vehicles, either trading them at perhaps 100k or using them as a second
> car after 100k while driving them into the ground..

100K? You're just getting started at 100K with most Toyotas or Hondas.
Driving them into the ground starts at around 250K.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 2:52 pm
From: SMS

Daniel T. wrote:

> Why did you choose to buy a car, rather than keep the one you had?

It was purchased when my wife was single and was too small when child
unit #2 arrived. Also, a two door coupe was much more difficult to deal
with in terms of putting kids into child car seats.

Since we've now had that Camry for 13 years, I don't feel that it was an
extravagant purchase.

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TOPIC: real estate
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 9:01 am
From: doc marten

In article
<316b2f04-c24f-4e3f-8d2e-a675740ccaa8@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com>,
im.1.maxaluminum@xoxy.net wrote:

> Steve Daniels wrote:
> > On Mon, 12 Jan 2009 18:02:38 -0800 (PST), against all advice,
> > something compelled thackere@gmail.com, to say:
> >
> > > why would a judge tell 1 lady, you can't take a mans inheritence, and
> > > tell the sistern in law you can take everything he owns?
> >
> >
> > The sister in law gives better blowjobs.
> >
> >
> >
> Like the bad girl said to the good girl, "Is it hard to be good?"
> She answered, "It has to be hard to be good."

the paraphrase;
"A hard man is good to find."
--
When the Power of Love,replaces the Love of Power.
that's Evolution.

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TOPIC: Made Cheese Curds Last Night
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 9:35 am
From: Rick

Hello all,

We made homemade cheese curds last night. They turned out very
squeaky, the way I like them. The cheese was bright white unlike most
of the store bought varieties I've eatan. It was nice to know what
actually went into the cheese.

Has anyone ever tried making cheese with sheep's milk?

Regards,

Rick Boesen
Olivet, MI
www.FiberArtFest.com
www.QuesoCabezaFarm.com

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TOPIC: Tempur-pedic mattresses
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 10:43 am
From: "l.l.lipshitz"

On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:38:50 -0500, Evelyn <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com>
wrote in <gkjtq8$um1$1@news.motzarella.org>:
|
|
|
| "Goomba" <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote in message
| news:6t57n3F944daU2@mid.individual.net...
| > JR Weiss wrote:
| >
| >> I've had one for about 3 years now. My wife & I both like it a lot.
| >> Motion is not transmitted across the mattress like with innerspring
| >> types, and it remains very comfortable with no sign of sagging.
| >>
| >> I don't know the current pricing. More regular and discount mattress
| >> stores are carrying them now, so you should be able to get some good
| >> deals. Of the 3 price levels of the Tempurpedic that were available when
| >> we bought, the middle one suited us best.
| >>
| >> Don't know about your interpretation of the warranty... I don't recall
| >> anything like that.
| >>
| > I've had mine about five years and my back feels much better since! I also
| > have the feature that allows you to adjust its positions, which is nice
| > like now-sitting in bed with the laptop while watching TV. Mine is a king
| > sized, and cost just under 5K.
|
|
| I have had mine for 8 years and love it. It is excellent in several ways.
| It is hypo-allergenic, impervious to water, insects (like mites) or sagging.
| It is as flat today as the day I got it. The adjustable feature is
| wonderful, and I can tilt the back or knees to any position I find
| comfortable. Mine is a queen size and I paid $2500. Considering what I
| paid for other mattresses in the past and how saggy they got in a short
| time, this was actually a very frugal choice.

how is it temperature-wise? i've heard that they
can be hot to sleep on....

--
-elle
--------=[ l.l.lipshitz * elkube(at)lycos(dot)com ]=--------
people are not only innately stupid,
they are ambitiously so. -kk

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 11:06 am
From: "JR Weiss"

"l.l.lipshitz" <elkube@seesig.invalid> wrote:
>
> how is it temperature-wise? i've heard that they
> can be hot to sleep on....

I haven't noticed it.

The biggest known "problem" is that when they're cold, they get stiff. If you
have an unheated bedroom, it will take a while for your body heat to warm the
foam enough so it is responsive. I keep my bedroom about 65 F, and that temp is
no problem.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 2:42 pm
From: "Evelyn"

"l.l.lipshitz" <elkube@seesig.invalid> wrote in message
news:slrngn1lat.jq.elkube@02-180.155.popsite.net...
> On Wed, 14 Jan 2009 00:38:50 -0500, Evelyn <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com>
> wrote in <gkjtq8$um1$1@news.motzarella.org>:
> |
> |
> |
> | "Goomba" <Goomba38@comcast.net> wrote in message
> | news:6t57n3F944daU2@mid.individual.net...
> | > JR Weiss wrote:
> | >
> | >> I've had one for about 3 years now. My wife & I both like it a lot.
> | >> Motion is not transmitted across the mattress like with innerspring
> | >> types, and it remains very comfortable with no sign of sagging.
> | >>
> | >> I don't know the current pricing. More regular and discount mattress
> | >> stores are carrying them now, so you should be able to get some good
> | >> deals. Of the 3 price levels of the Tempurpedic that were available
> when
> | >> we bought, the middle one suited us best.
> | >>
> | >> Don't know about your interpretation of the warranty... I don't
> recall
> | >> anything like that.
> | >>
> | > I've had mine about five years and my back feels much better since! I
> also
> | > have the feature that allows you to adjust its positions, which is
> nice
> | > like now-sitting in bed with the laptop while watching TV. Mine is a
> king
> | > sized, and cost just under 5K.
> |
> |
> | I have had mine for 8 years and love it. It is excellent in several
> ways.
> | It is hypo-allergenic, impervious to water, insects (like mites) or
> sagging.
> | It is as flat today as the day I got it. The adjustable feature is
> | wonderful, and I can tilt the back or knees to any position I find
> | comfortable. Mine is a queen size and I paid $2500. Considering
> what I
> | paid for other mattresses in the past and how saggy they got in a short
> | time, this was actually a very frugal choice.
>
> how is it temperature-wise? i've heard that they
> can be hot to sleep on....

I have heard that story about them being hot too. I keep a quilted
mattress pad on it, and it probably provides a bit of breathing space which
could prevent it from being too hot. I have never slept on it without the
mattress pad, so you should consider my experience with that in mind.

My daughter lives in Texas and you know it gets really hot there. Her
Tempurpedic isn't too hot for her either. The foam is dense and firm when
you first lay down, but it gets softer as you lay on it and the body heat
helps it to form to your shape. Both my son and stepson own memory foam
mattresses and feel the same way as I do, though stepson bought a CLONE of
the tempurpedic in Sam's club for only $500 and he loves it just the same.

I absolutely love mine, and when you consider how many mattresses I have
owned over the years that are all in the dump, having gotten sagged in the
middle or just plain old and funky..... this is definitely a good buy and a
frugal choice in the big picture. I would not only do it again, I would
have done it a lot sooner!
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Best Regards,
Evelyn

Rest in a sky-like mind.
Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
Breathe like the wind circling the world

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 2:43 pm
From: "Evelyn"

"JR Weiss" <jrweiss@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:gkqls1$dv5$1@news.motzarella.org...
> "l.l.lipshitz" <elkube@seesig.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> how is it temperature-wise? i've heard that they
>> can be hot to sleep on....
>
> I haven't noticed it.
>
> The biggest known "problem" is that when they're cold, they get stiff. If
> you have an unheated bedroom, it will take a while for your body heat to
> warm the foam enough so it is responsive. I keep my bedroom about 65 F,
> and that temp is no problem.

Yes, but once it warms to your body it is amazingly comfortable!
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Best Regards,
Evelyn

Rest in a sky-like mind.
Sit like a mountain floating on the earth.
Breathe like the wind circling the world

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 11:17 am
From: Curly Surmudgeon

On Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:04:28 -0700, Winston_Smith wrote:

> On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 16:20:06 -0800, Winston <Winston@bigbrother.net>
> wrote:
>
>>EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com wrote:
>>> In misc.survivalism Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon@live.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I wonder if it's possible to simultaneously suffer both deflation and
>>>> inflation?
>>>
>>> Winston says Yes.
>>
>>Who?
>>
>>--Winston
>
> I post in misc.survivalism (with cross posts) with a net name of Winston
> Smith.
>
> Wired has a hard on to tell me I'm all wrong about criticizing Bush's
> economy. He seems to like it. Mostly he misquotes me and makes up his
> own definitions when he is backed in a corner with the standard ones.

Once you disprove his assertions EskWIRED will snip your rebuttal and
make the same assertions endlessly.

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Regards, Curly
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Jan 16 2009 12:27 pm
From: F. George McDuffee

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:51:38 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
<too_many_tools@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Has the devaluation cycle begun?
>
>And if you can buy goods for a few cents on the dollar, why won't your
>boss expect the same deal when it comes to labor costs?
>
>And will you see the degree of discounting in what you want to buy?
>
>Finally...is this a sign of where housing and transportation are
>headed..75% discounts and more?
>
>TMT
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Something seems to be occurring, however I am not sure that the
correct word is devaluation, as much as it is honest valuation.

We seem to be in the classical situation where the little kid
observes in a typically loud, bratty voice "the Emperor has no
clothes on," and every one is shocked shocked.

I just finished reading the Jan15 Thursday WSJ [I get by mail and
am always a day behind] and hidden in the back on page C10 was
the squib that the latest data shows that CitiBank has a 47:1
tangable assets:tangable common equity ratio. To put this in
context Lehman Btothers was castigated for having a 30:1 leverage
when they went b/k. That paragon of financial planning
Goldman-Sachs currently has a 21:1 ratio.

Information on exactly how much Citi has received so far [and is
about to receive] and the terms is unknown.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ateqSx54M49w
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aPe0BmS_BI_w

Unka' George [George McDuffee]
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He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

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