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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 7:20 am
From: SMS

George wrote:

> That wouldn't be the case within say 200 miles of me. Also Sprint is
> stuck on 1,900 MHz which has less building penetration and range. I am
> sure you can produce a cite from the "Navas Group" which will claim that
> well known phenomena isn't true.

Sprint's native network is very limited in geographic coverage and is,
as you state, at the less desirable 1900 MHz. Postpaid Sprint users have
the benefit of being able to roam, at no extra cost, on other CDMA
networks. Many Sprint phones can be forced to roam, so even in areas
with Sprint native coverage you can force it onto Verizon which is often
useful because the 800 MHz network is much better.

The problem with Sprint prepaid (Boost CDMA, Virgin CDMA) is that they
limit you to Sprint's native network. If you look at the Sprint coverage
map at "http://coverage.sprint.com/IMPACT.jsp?language=EN" all the gray
areas are roaming and are not available to prepaid users. EIYJN.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 7:53 am
From: SMS

George wrote:

When selecting a prepaid carrier, if coverage outside of major urban
areas is a concern, then choose one that allows roaming onto any
available (technology-compatible) carrier, even if it costs extra for
that roaming.

Some Tracfone models allow roaming at 2x the regular rate. PagePlus
offers roaming at 59¢/minute. Verizon InPulse offers roaming at
20¢/minute. None of the Sprint prepaid carriers allow roaming. T-Mobile
does allow more and more roaming on prepaid (they used to only allow
roaming onto other 1900 MHz carriers). AT&T limits roaming severely
(compare their coverage maps for postpaid and prepaid).

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 9:08 am
From: SMS

George wrote:

LOL, actually he's claimed that the "phenomena" isn't true many times in
the past, with no cite at all, not even citing himself as he likes to do.

However since in the past week AT&T themselves have stated that 850MHz
has better in-building coverage and range, I don't think he'll be
issuing this claim again.

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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 7:23 am
From: "Bill"

"The Real Bev" wrote in message
> This was a good group. Looks like the recent spate of political crap has
> even discouraged Rod from posting.
>

It's like pornography when searching for something on the internet. Search
for any topic and some porno site will show up in the search (They do this
by sticking every word in the dictionary on their pages). I know where that
stuff is if I choose to look at it, but when I'm searching for car repair,
home repair, whatever, I would like to find those topics.

Same with politics. I know where the political groups are if I choose to
read that. I don't post frugal topics in the political groups.

Ignore them and they will go away. Also you can respond and delete the
misc.consumers.frugal-living cross post (leave the others). That will help
to get them to go away.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 9:26 am
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:26:57 -0700, The Real Bev
<bashley101+et@gmail.com> wrote:

>This was a good group. Looks like the recent spate of political crap has even
>discouraged Rod from posting.
>
>It's a fucking shame that people are as stupid as they are.

There is not a smidgen of doubt in my mind that when that famous
internet search engine bought out deja, there was every intention of
killing usenet. There is no profit to be made with it, there is
little control, and as far as providers, the RIAA and music industry,
the government, and so on, it is something that all of them wish would
just go away.

If someone told me that Rod was getting a supplemental check for
services rendered, it wouldn't surprise me. If the shoe spam was
somehow sanctioned, it wouldn't surprise me. If the cross-posting was
done with malicious intent, it wouldn't surprise me. Not saying that
any of those are absolutely happening, but I am saying that there is a
HUGE amount of money that does not want unfettered, unmoderated, free
speech and sharing. Welcome to the 21st century. Sig Heil and
newspeak!

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TOPIC: Opposition to Obama's destruction of the health care sector is not
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 7:25 am
From: Wilson Woods

Robert of St Louis wrote:
> Yeah I'm with you..."Keep the federal government out of my Medicare"

End Medicare.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 8:36 am
From: Lisa Lisa

On Oct 13, 10:25 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Robert of St Louis wrote:
>
> > Yeah I'm with you..."Keep the federal government out of my Medicare"
>
> End Medicare.

And I'm sure that most Pugs would want to do just that. All that
caterwauling about Obama wanting to throw Grandma in front of a bus
was just a Pug smokescreen for their real intention.

I'm going to steal a page from Joe Wilson, and shout out to all you
Pugs: "YOU LIE!"

Lisa

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 9:01 am
From: "Exposer"

<.... tHe_PC_JelLlLy BeAn!! .! !!! .> wrote in message
news:36tq5c.hh.17.1@news.alt.net...
>
> "Wilson Woods" <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:HMmdndq9N4R0Qk7XnZ2dnUVZ_rednZ2d@earthlink.com...

Wilson Woods is;
Rudy Canoza is one of the biggest Usenet trolls of all times. He's a
guy with a huge inferiority complex. At 155 pounds and 70 years old,
he's also one of the biggest littlest bully-cowards in the newsgroups.
He's a anarchist purist-Libertarian who believes government serves no
purpose. All that know him know this: Rudy Canoza
has quite a long list of alias names -- and forged posts, illegal alien from
Argentina, arrested for stalking, stealing ladies lingerie, stalking radio
stations, Rudy is a glutton for attention like Sarah Palin.

Hey Rudy, go stalk her. See what happens when her militia hoodsters skin you
alive and use you as chili sauce on their next moose burrito,

Following is
an (incomplete) list of bogus names:

Jonathan Balll
R W Emerson
Citizen
Benfez
Wilson Woods
Radical Moderate
Bingo
Edward
George
Bill
Fred
Mystery Poster
Merlin the dog
Bob the dog
sil @ onairos.com
elvira
Dieter
"Dieter d.Schmidt
prickerbush
Abner Hale
Roger Whitaker
Fucktard
Apoo
Ted Bell
notgen @ yahoo.com
Jay Santos
mortons.steakho
Rudy Canoza
Trappist
sb29
Leif Erikson
S. Maizlich
SlipperySlope
Eden
Sylvia Stevens
dh@
chico chupacabra

newest: Will
----
Wilson Woods has infected this group with at least 3000 different nyms. His
real name is

Jonathan Ball of 2030 Jefferson Drive Pasadena CA91104. You
want proof that he's a racist?

Jonathan Ball

Stupid little wog; go back where you came
from. You don't belong in a civilized place.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian/msg/cabaf41717694bf5

You lose. So sorry, little wog. You go now, little wog, chop chop;
make much study, come back, six seven month, yes, sit exam, yes, maybe
you finish schoolee. Hee hee hee!
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.animals/msg/d15bda57bae2ae15

Wilson Woods

Whatever, GregGeorge, you greasy little wog. Go back to your
village (if the Yanks haven't bulldozed it yet...)
http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.animals/msg/dd1b540bda0ce11b

Rudy Canoza

>>>>> By the way, Rudy, when I call you a racist because you called someone
>>>>> a "filthy paki wog" and speculated that they were plotting terrorist
>>>>> attacks, I'm
>>>>
>>>> You're just swearing at me. It doesn't mean anything
>>>> else. There was no meaningful content in your cursing.
>>>
>>> So using racial slurs is acceptable,
>>
>> You were simply swearing, rupie, according to the
>> tenets of your religion.
>
> What would you call calling someone a "filthy paki wog"?

GregGeorge *is* a filthy paki wog.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.activism/msg/f5e5a5fd96cca3dd

>>FUCK OFF, GregGeorge. Just FUCK OFF back to your dusty
>>open sewer village and leave the civilized people alone.
>
> It's "PEOPLE" you illiterate fuck head.

FUCK OFF, GregGeorge, you foot-stamping ignorant
IMPOTENT little wog. Fuck off back to your shithole of
a village in Krumblingstan. You little piece of
mongoose shit.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.animals.ethics.vegetarian/msg/0e55ab46e1e5e722

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 9:29 am
From: Wilson Woods

Lisa Lisa, a looter, wrote:
> On Oct 13, 10:25 am, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Robert of St Louis wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah I'm with you..."Keep the federal government out of my Medicare"
>> End Medicare.
>
> And I'm sure that most Pugs would want to do just that.

Probably not, looter, but it's what should be done.

You still haven't answered why you started bullshitting about race.
Like all other leftists, you find race to be /crucially/ important. You
were lying when you said you're not interested in "multiculturalism" -
you're *obsessed* with it, and with the entire left-wing race obsession.
Why did you lie?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 9:44 am
From: freeisbest

On Oct 12, 10:03 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> It's about preventing the government from wrecking health care and
> access to it that satisfies most people. Idiot leftist looters who say
> it's about race know they've lost the debate.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you get paid for this kind of flat lie? Is it piece work, or
do you get a weekly check working for BigMed Inc. in one of those
little cubicles? I ask because no ordinary citizen would be stupid
enough to ignore the entire First World - all of those prosperous
countries which give universal health care to ALL their citizens - and
bleat about the future as if you actually knew something. You don't.
Tell your boss that people who've lost their house because of BigMed's
profits, those who lost a job because Bush exported their jobs, those
who have seen a relative die early because s/he can't "afford" medical
care - those people aren't falling for BigMed's b.s. any more.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 9:11 am
From: Balvenieman

In an article (mistakenly referring to the WWW as "the Internet")
referencing a report compiled by Arbor Networks, the University of
Michigan and the nonprofit Merit Network assaying the continuing
concentration of traffic through a decreasing number of content
providers, is this quote from Vince Vittore of the Yankee Group, an
independent technology research group: "The consolidation of content
ownership among a relatively small group is the most striking finding.
It goes against the entire concept of what the Internet was going to be
— a wide-open landscape where anyone could be a content producer and
provider."
Well, damn, who'da thought it? Surprise, surprise, surprise!
Remember back in the dark ages when the geezers who were warning about
such an eventuality were being called everything but racists?
You may read the whole article here, I think. Have your Adblock
Plus at the ready....
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=508823
--
the Balvenieman
Running on single malt in U.S.A.
USDA zone 9b

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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 8:26 am
From: me@privacy.net

Lisa Lisa <harryharry52@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Woods would appear to have the abundance mentality.
>
>He likes high premiums coupled with shitty coverage, so he can make
>UnitedHealthCare's shareholders and CEO rich.
>
>If that isn't generous, then what is?

Agree

His like are dinosaurs.... and they know it. Dinosaurs
just like the men who bellowed and hollered when women
were trying to get the vote... or blacks equal
rights...... or clean water when companies dumping
toxic waste into the supply.... or smokers bitching and
posturing abt smoking laws

Things they are a changing....... and high time they
are!

I've never seen ANY good come for the world from his
mind set.... none

=========================================================
Try to make me, fuckwit - I'll shoot you dead, and laugh about it over a
beer later. Then I'll stub a cigar butt out on your orphan child's head.-Wilson Woods

== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 8:27 am
From: me@privacy.net

Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:

>> He likes high premiums coupled with shitty coverage,
>
>No, that's wrong, you racist looter.

Prove it baby killing Nazi

== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 8:30 am
From: Lisa Lisa

On Oct 9, 12:17 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
> In fact, no one has a "right" to any material good or service. Someone
> might choose to provide some goods and services to deadbeats, but that
> doesn't imply a right to them; and the provider may subsequently decide
> to stop providing them.
>
> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big screen
> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You don't have a
> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and services, you must
> pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to you
> voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak, you'll fare poorly.
>
> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.

You have no "right" to health care, but you do have a right to pay
premiums, have your claims denied, and make the CEO and shareholders
of Aetna very rich. You also have an unlimited personal right to guns
under the Second because it's going to take heavy firepower to bring
down a duly elected black president.

This is what America has come to. No wonder we're no longer a model
for the rest of the world.

Lisa

== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 8:59 am
From: Wilson Woods

me@privacy.net, a looter and not a tough guy, wrote:
> Lisa Lisa, a looter, wrote:
>
>> Woods would appear to have the abundance mentality.
>>
>> He likes high premiums coupled with shitty coverage, so he can make
>> UnitedHealthCare's shareholders and CEO rich.
>>
>> If that isn't generous, then what is?
>
> Agree

Two looters in agreement - what a surprise.

== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 8:59 am
From: Wilson Woods

me@privacy.net, a looter, wrote:
> Wilson Woods <banmilk@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> He likes high premiums coupled with shitty coverage,
>> No, that's wrong, you racist looter.
>
> Prove it baby killing Nazi

More swearing from a lowbrow looter.

== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 9:06 am
From: Wilson Woods

Lisa Lisa, a looter, wrote:
> On Oct 9, 12:17 pm, K <Kvisi...@live.con> wrote:
>> In fact, no one has a "right" to any material good or service. Someone
>> might choose to provide some goods and services to deadbeats, but that
>> doesn't imply a right to them; and the provider may subsequently decide
>> to stop providing them.
>>
>> You have no more "right" to health care than you have to a big screen
>> TV, Hawaiian holidays, a car, or a lobster dinner. You don't have a
>> "right" to goods or services. If you want goods and services, you must
>> pay for them, or you must persuade someone to give them to you
>> voluntarily. If your powers of persuasion are weak, you'll fare poorly.
>>
>> That's simply how it is, and it's good and just.
>
> You have no "right" to health care, but you do have a right to pay
> premiums, have your claims denied, and make the CEO and shareholders
> of Aetna very rich.

That isn't what happens, looter.

== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 9:18 am
From: Michael Coburn

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:28:25 -0700, John Galt wrote:

> Lisa Lisa wrote:
>> On Oct 12, 6:04 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Lisa Lisa wrote:
>>>> On Oct 12, 3:54 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Lisa Lisa wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 12, 2:01 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>> No, America is not obsessed race.
>>>>>> Sure it is.
>>>>> No, you and your fellow leftists are.
>>>>>>> Leftists who control the media and
>>>>>>> too much of the national agenda are obsessed with race, and won't
>>>>>>> let those who wish to move beyond race do so.
>>>>>> Yeah, like the teabaggers and townhallers are going to ever move
>>>>>> beyond race.
>>>>> Most of them never mentioned race. You see, you are merely mouthing
>>>>> your own bigotry here.
>>>>>>>>> It's my opinion that resistance to a more rational system is
>>>>>>>>> mostly rooted in racial attitudes.
>>>>>>>>> You have no evidence or good reason to hold that opinion,
>>>>>>>>> /other/ than your obsession with race, like all leftists.
>>>>>>>> Why are you so hellbent on directing scarce resource toward
>>>>>>>> paperwork and administrative costs rather than the actual
>>>>>>>> delivery of the care itself?
>>>>>>> non sequitur
>>>>>> It's the nub of the issue.
>>>>> It isn't. Right now, in this part of the thread, the issue is your
>>>>> unsubstantiated and bigoted claim that opposition to Obama's plan to
>>>>> redistribute medical care is based on race.
>>>> Check out the animals in this video. What the hell are they so
>>>> worked up over? The fine points of the bill...or something else?
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Bpshk5nX0&NR=1
>>>>>>> The issue is your racist contention.
>>>>>> You're resistant to reasonable and beneficial change because you're
>>>>>> a damned racist, and you know it.
>>>>> No, that's merely your race-obsessed supposition. As a
>>>>> race-obsessed racist, you *need* to believe that.
>>>> Here's your crowd in action:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtIYpBGlv1U
>>>>>>>>>> I've touched a sensitive area; I just know it.
>>>>>>>>> You've revealed yourself to be a racist.-
>>>>>> I'm just calling you out.
>>>>> No, you're not. You're fabricating a truly shitty straw man.
>>>>>>>> It isn't me who's bent out of shape about Obama being president.
>>>>>>> I'm not bent out of shape over it, either. I do oppose him. I
>>>>>>> oppose him because of his noxious policies.
>>>> Here's your crowd:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-
Pd9St6ro&feature=PlayList&p=E0B825B...
>>>>>> If you're so concerned about noxiousness, then you should have been
>>>>>> up to your neck in teabags over Bush's listening in on American
>>>>>> citizens making calls overseas.
>>>>> I was.
>>>> I doubt it.
>>>>>> You can't name one noxious Obama policy.
>>>>> Yes, I can: health care "reform", for starters.
>>>> You have lots of company. Listen to this woman screaming "no
>>>> socialism" toward the end of the video:
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2tON2RkTqM Do you think she's really
>>>> afraid of socialism...or something else?
>>> I don't think a lot of speculation is necessary. People on the left
>>> (or pragmatic moderates) simply don't understand the visceral reaction
>>> the right has to government intrusions into their lives, particularly
>>> since the economic downturn was caused by 70 years of economic
>>> intrusions by both parties.
>>
>> This downturn has been going on for 70 years? Who the hell are you
>> kidding?
>
> Are you seriously suggesting that conditions in the past can't cause
> downturns on the future?

Of course not, Weasel. The more alert among us know how to measure
prosperity and what metrics to employ in that measurement. We also know
what policies increase that prosperity and which do not. The destruction
of the middle class began with the Kennedy tax cuts and the dual wars of
Johnson. BOTH WERE DEMOCRATS. But there has been a lot of water under
the bridge since then and the American people have been mislead by their
"leaders"; made to believe in Libertarian tripe and perversion starting
in the mid 70's.

> If your answer is YES, please say so, so we can remove you from the list
> of serious contributors.
>>
>>
>>> So, since they don't understand it, they go looking for other
>>> explanations (like race).
>>
>> Yah, tell us all about this downturn going on for 70 years.
>>
>>> Obama won Iowa, a rural state that is 98% white. It's not obviously
>>> not race.
>>
>> Obviously, the people in the videos didn't vote for Obama.
>
> How do you statistically measure that?

Ah, yes.... The rightarded demand proof of the wetness of water while
offering nothing to support their wholly religious positions other then
anecdotal cherry picked garbage. The videos are seen by the rightarded as
just the same as the cherry picking rightarded crap. Yet the videos in
evidence reflect the views of the rightared as a group, and they seem to
be quite proud of those views.

>>
>>>>>>> You're still shying away from addressing your race obsession. I
>>>>>>> observed, correctly, that you had no valid basis for your
>>>>>>> preposterous comment about race driving the health care debate.
>>>>>>> That comment demonstrates your racism. You tried to change the
>>>>>>> subject. Stick to the topic. Why are you obsessed with race, and
>>>>>>> why do you insist everyone be so obsessed?
>>>> The topic is health care, and the imbeciles who are resisting
>>>> beneficial and necessary change because they're bigoted, thank you
>>>> very much.
>>> See above.
>>
>> Galt is another schmuck
>
> OK, we'll remove you from the list of serious contributors. Thanks for
> making that evident.

Gee, Galt. Pretty soon you will have everyone who doesn't accept your
religious position killfiled. Then you can continue to send out your
garbage without any descent and feel as though you have found the golden
fleece. Somewhat like jerking off.

>
> who want to pay higher premiums and get crap
>> in the way of coverage. You're getting your wish, retard; I understand
>> another company is raising their rates. They're probably cutting back
>> on coverage to keep their shareholders happy.
>>
>> That's what you get when you run health care like any other enterprise.
>> You get rising premiums, happy shareholders, rich CEOs, and crappy
>> coverage. That means that you and the other racist dopes who
>> desperately need brain transplants won't be getting them.
>>
>>>>>> You know damned well that race is driving this argument
>>>>> No, and *you* don't know any such thing, either. You merely have a
>>>>> deeply ingrained and conditioned reflex to think that. As a racist
>>>>> and race-obsessed leftist looter, you can't think any other way.
>>>> Listen to these two-legged turds calling Obama a socialist Nazi,
>>>> yakking about a "takeover,"
>>>> and wanting to "take down this government." What are they going to
>>>> do, rise up and assassinate Democrats?
>>> Possibly. There are no shortage of people who would rather see
>>> revolution than further devolution into socialized institutions.
>>>
>>> JG
>>
>> If you want to pay higher and higher premiums and get zip in return,
>> that's your business, retard. Most of us want the kind of health care
>> that the Swiss have.
>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKBa9K_vAm8- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> Those dopes in the video make me ashamed to be white. Everyone knows
>> that all this sturm und drang business isn't really about healthcare or
>> government intrustion----it's about race, race, race.
>>
>>
>> Lisa
>>
>>
>>

Actually, Lisa Lisa, most of us want health care like the Canadians
have. But we will settle for health care OTHER THAN what we currently
have. There isn't much you could do to make the current system worse.
And if you do make it worse then the American people will actually pay
attention, revolt, and get if fixed. There is no social or economic
reason why health insurance should be profitable. The health care
providers need a watchdog. But that function is best performed by
government.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 9:34 am
From: freeisbest

On Oct 13, 12:18 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:28:25 -0700, John Galt wrote:
> > Lisa Lisa wrote:
> >> On Oct 12, 6:04 pm, John Galt <kady...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Lisa Lisa wrote:
> >>>> On Oct 12, 3:54 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Lisa Lisa wrote:
> >>>>>> On Oct 12, 2:01 pm, Wilson Woods <banm...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>> No, America is not obsessed race.
> >>>>>> Sure it is.
> >>>>> No, you and your fellow leftists are.
> >>>>>>> Leftists who control the media and
> >>>>>>> too much of the national agenda are obsessed with race, and won't
> >>>>>>> let those who wish to move beyond race do so.
> >>>>>> Yeah, like the teabaggers and townhallers are going to ever move
> >>>>>> beyond race.
> >>>>> Most of them never mentioned race. You see, you are merely mouthing
> >>>>> your own bigotry here.
> >>>>>>>>> It's my opinion that resistance to a more rational system is
> >>>>>>>>> mostly rooted in racial attitudes.
> >>>>>>>>> You have no evidence or good reason to hold that opinion,
> >>>>>>>>> /other/ than your obsession with race, like all leftists.
> >>>>>>>> Why are you so hellbent on directing scarce resource toward
> >>>>>>>> paperwork and administrative costs rather than the actual
> >>>>>>>> delivery of the care itself?
> >>>>>>> non sequitur
> >>>>>> It's the nub of the issue.
> >>>>> It isn't. Right now, in this part of the thread, the issue is your
> >>>>> unsubstantiated and bigoted claim that opposition to Obama's plan to
> >>>>> redistribute medical care is based on race.
> >>>> Check out the animals in this video. What the hell are they so
> >>>> worked up over? The fine points of the bill...or something else?
> >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-Bpshk5nX0&NR=1
> >>>>>>> The issue is your racist contention.
> >>>>>> You're resistant to reasonable and beneficial change because you're
> >>>>>> a damned racist, and you know it.
> >>>>> No, that's merely your race-obsessed supposition. As a
> >>>>> race-obsessed racist, you *need* to believe that.
> >>>> Here's your crowd in action:
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtIYpBGlv1U
> >>>>>>>>>> I've touched a sensitive area; I just know it.
> >>>>>>>>> You've revealed yourself to be a racist.-
> >>>>>> I'm just calling you out.
> >>>>> No, you're not. You're fabricating a truly shitty straw man.
> >>>>>>>> It isn't me who's bent out of shape about Obama being president.
> >>>>>>> I'm not bent out of shape over it, either. I do oppose him. I
> >>>>>>> oppose him because of his noxious policies.
> >>>> Here's your crowd:
> >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-
>
> Pd9St6ro&feature=PlayList&p=E0B825B...
>
>
>
> >>>>>> If you're so concerned about noxiousness, then you should have been
> >>>>>> up to your neck in teabags over Bush's listening in on American
> >>>>>> citizens making calls overseas.
> >>>>> I was.
> >>>> I doubt it.
> >>>>>> You can't name one noxious Obama policy.
> >>>>> Yes, I can: health care "reform", for starters.
> >>>> You have lots of company. Listen to this woman screaming "no
> >>>> socialism" toward the end of the video:
> >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2tON2RkTqMDo you think she's really
> >>>> afraid of socialism...or something else?
> >>> I don't think a lot of speculation is necessary. People on the left
> >>> (or pragmatic moderates) simply don't understand the visceral reaction
> >>> the right has to government intrusions into their lives, particularly
> >>> since the economic downturn was caused by 70 years of economic
> >>> intrusions by both parties.
>
> >> This downturn has been going on for 70 years? Who the hell are you
> >> kidding?
>
> > Are you seriously suggesting that conditions in the past can't cause
> > downturns on the future?
>
> Of course not, Weasel. The more alert among us know how to measure
> prosperity and what metrics to employ in that measurement. We also know
> what policies increase that prosperity and which do not. The destruction
> of the middle class began with the Kennedy tax cuts and the dual wars of
> Johnson. BOTH WERE DEMOCRATS. But there has been a lot of water under
> the bridge since then and the American people have been mislead by their
> "leaders"; made to believe in Libertarian tripe and perversion starting
> in the mid 70's.
>
> > If your answer is YES, please say so, so we can remove you from the list
> > of serious contributors.
>
> >>> So, since they don't understand it, they go looking for other
> >>> explanations (like race).
>
> >> Yah, tell us all about this downturn going on for 70 years.
>
> >>> Obama won Iowa, a rural state that is 98% white. It's not obviously
> >>> not race.
>
> >> Obviously, the people in the videos didn't vote for Obama.
>
> > How do you statistically measure that?
>
> Ah, yes.... The rightarded demand proof of the wetness of water while
> offering nothing to support their wholly religious positions other then
> anecdotal cherry picked garbage. The videos are seen by the rightarded as
> just the same as the cherry picking rightarded crap. Yet the videos in
> evidence reflect the views of the rightared as a group, and they seem to
> be quite proud of those views.
>
>
>
>
>
> >>>>>>> You're still shying away from addressing your race obsession. I
> >>>>>>> observed, correctly, that you had no valid basis for your
> >>>>>>> preposterous comment about race driving the health care debate.
> >>>>>>> That comment demonstrates your racism. You tried to change the
> >>>>>>> subject. Stick to the topic. Why are you obsessed with race, and
> >>>>>>> why do you insist everyone be so obsessed?
> >>>> The topic is health care, and the imbeciles who are resisting
> >>>> beneficial and necessary change because they're bigoted, thank you
> >>>> very much.
> >>> See above.
>
> >> Galt is another schmuck
>
> > OK, we'll remove you from the list of serious contributors. Thanks for
> > making that evident.
>
> Gee, Galt. Pretty soon you will have everyone who doesn't accept your
> religious position killfiled. Then you can continue to send out your
> garbage without any descent and feel as though you have found the golden
> fleece. Somewhat like jerking off.
>
>
>
>
>
> > who want to pay higher premiums and get crap
> >> in the way of coverage. You're getting your wish, retard; I understand
> >> another company is raising their rates. They're probably cutting back
> >> on coverage to keep their shareholders happy.
>
> >> That's what you get when you run health care like any other enterprise.
> >> You get rising premiums, happy shareholders, rich CEOs, and crappy
> >> coverage. That means that you and the other racist dopes who
> >> desperately need brain transplants won't be getting them.
>
> >>>>>> You know damned well that race is driving this argument
> >>>>> No, and *you* don't know any such thing, either. You merely have a
> >>>>> deeply ingrained and conditioned reflex to think that. As a racist
> >>>>> and race-obsessed leftist looter, you can't think any other way.
> >>>> Listen to these two-legged turds calling Obama a socialist Nazi,
> >>>> yakking about a "takeover,"
> >>>> and wanting to "take down this government." What are they going to
> >>>> do, rise up and assassinate Democrats?
> >>> Possibly. There are no shortage of people who would rather see
> >>> revolution than further devolution into socialized institutions.
>
> >>> JG
>
> >> If you want to pay higher and higher premiums and get zip in return,
> >> that's your business, retard. Most of us want the kind of health care
> >> that the Swiss have.
> >>>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKBa9K_vAm8-Hide quoted text -
>
> >> Those dopes in the video make me ashamed to be white.
> >> Everyone knows that all this sturm und drang business isn't
> >> really about healthcare or government intrustion----it's about
> >> race, race, race. Lisa
>
> Actually, Lisa Lisa, most of us want health care like the Canadians
> have. But we will settle for health care OTHER THAN what we currently
> have. There isn't much you could do to make the current system worse.
> And if you do make it worse then the American people will actually pay
> attention, revolt, and get if fixed. There is no social or economic
> reason why health insurance should be profitable. The health care
> providers need a watchdog. But that function is best performed by
> government.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thank you for your temperate and reasonable reply to "Lisa". You
have saved me the trouble.
If I had been forced to reply to him/her, I would have been
tempted to point out that instead of convincing us that his/her
personal information-acquisition department has been seriously
underfunded, he/she has convinced us that he/she is a deliberate liar.
Which would be rude. Almost as rude as smirking that desperately
ill, suffering people need to be ignored while we all run around
looking for racists... and let the medical-profits industry grow.

== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Oct 13 2009 10:01 am
From: Michael Coburn

On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 03:28:07 -0700, tmclone wrote:

> On Oct 12, 1:14 pm, Michael Coburn <mik...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:23:44 -0700, tmclone wrote:
>> > What a moron. I'm a female homeowner in my 50s and I own my own
>> > business. I'm a self-employed, life-long democrat. I have lots of
>> > assests, but I still can't afford health insurance. It's more than my
>> > mortgage payment with a deductible I could never meet. You lose.
>>
>> https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/individual-health-insurance
>>
>> Says it will cost you $106 per month. So unless you don't have a
>> mortgage you are jerking us around. As to "meeting" your deductible,
>> that is irrelevant. Insurance is to protect assets. In that view the
>> poor don't actually need insurance because they get care in the
>> emergency rooms and they have no assets.
>>
>> http://www.ehealthlink.com/Washington/IndivRates.asp
>>
>> In Washington state if you are uninsurable it will cost you $400 a
>> month and again you would need to have a very small mortgage indeed.
>>
>>
> The cheapest insurance I can find (NY) is $500 a month. I bought my
> house in 1985, and yes, that's more than my mortgage payment. A LOT more
> than my mortgage payment. If NY wasn't such a nanny state requiring all
> insurance to be "full-boat" HMO-style, I could just buy catastrophic
> coverage for things like a heart attack or cancer. I couldn't care less
> about "well-care" or regular check-ups because I don't do that stuff. I
> didn't waste my time on that even when I did have insurance 10 years
> ago. I don't believe in seeing a doctor unless something is actually
> wrong, like a broken bone, uncontrolled bleeding, etc. Of course, YMMV
> if you don't have good genes. In my family, on both sides, we die in our
> beds in our late early 90s. One great-grandfather died of lung cancer in
> his 50s, but he smoked, so that doesn't count.

As far as I can determine you are selling a load of horse crap. I simply
do not believe any personal claims. If you want to cite some reputable
rate tables or such then do so. Your health insurance in the State of
Massachusetts, which is another "socialized" insurance state,
would be $288 a month. I live in Washington state. But most insurance
information is on line in every state. Please provide a rate table for
New York for healthy people like yourself. I will also say that if you
are a low income person than both states provide a very good rate less
than the $288.

The current bill before the Congress does this in the same way. Lower
income people (less than $40k) are going to be subsidized by people who's
incomes exceed $250k per year.

--
"Those are my opinions and you can't have em" -- Bart Simpson

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