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Monday, February 1, 2010

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 8 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: TOYOTA SEZ IT HAS [another] FIX FOR PEDAL ... DO YOU BELIEVE IT?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b3778869cfbea966?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 1:33 pm
From: "hls"

"slightly horny" <lilhornie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:dd41af9d-1273-4337-8f58-16d3694a1d4c@b10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
> Time to buy another BROOM?
>
> I kinda think the problem is more technologically related than just an
> ordinary "pedal."
>
> You?
>
> ----------------------
>
I saw a blurb that the Feds had approved the fix. If that means
anything....

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 7:04 pm
From: "The Henchman"

"hls" <hls@nospam.nix> wrote in message
news:e96dneGWwqoF1frWnZ2dnUVZ_r-dnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "slightly horny" <lilhornie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:dd41af9d-1273-4337-8f58-16d3694a1d4c@b10g2000vbh.googlegroups.com...
>> Time to buy another BROOM?
>>
>> I kinda think the problem is more technologically related than just an
>> ordinary "pedal."
>>
>> You?
>>
>> ----------------------
>>
> I saw a blurb that the Feds had approved the fix. If that means
> anything....

if by "feds" you mean the HTSA they have been investigating Toyota's
acceleration problems since 2004. Those models involved dated back to
model year 2000. Throttle control was lost in reverse. In that
investigation 1 million automobiles, Toyota and lexus models, were thought
susceptible.

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TOPIC: ask Straight Dope; Cecil
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/960880feddaefd7d?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 1:47 pm
From: Al

On Feb 1, 3:18 pm, A VFW <georgesp...@toast.net> wrote:
> Dear Cecil:
>
> I have a theory that, as a nation, we could save about 10 per cent of
> our gasoline consumption by the simple expedient of making sure our
> tires are fully inflated. My questions are: (1) What is the relationship
> between underinflation and gas mileage deterioration (e.g., 20 percent
> underinflation reduces mileage 10 percent, etc.)? (2) What is the
> trade-off between tire inflation and tire life? (3) Do the auto
> manufacturers in fact specify too low an inflation level for tires in
> order to soften the ride?
>
> for the answer ; visit Straight Dope.com

Or go straight to the article at
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/225/could-we-conserve-gasoline-by-putting-more-air-in-our-tires

I keep my tires on the high side so I can carry a bigger load. There
are various strategies that can be played with tire pressure. Slight
pulling from wheel alignment can be offset with a couple pounds
difference in side to side air pressure. We have severe pot hole
problems here. If the tire pressure is too low, a tire can be ripped
off the rim. If the pressure is too high on some vehicles, the shock
of a hole can damage the suspension more easily. So drive
moderately,know your vehicle, watch for holes, and keep the pressure
on the high side

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TOPIC: BlueMountain.com complaints?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/588a64d4d4622cf7?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 1:54 pm
From: Al

On Feb 1, 1:24 pm, A VFW <georgesp...@toast.net> wrote:
> The Haggler sez/ avoid BlueMountain.com
> a scam?
>
> any feedback out in consumer land?

People who send ecards generally have more time on their hands and
less computer knowledge than a 7th grader. This makes them ripe for
harvest by fakers and sometimes the ecard site itself.. BlueMountain
has been the victim of fake cards in their name so perhaps this is the
reason for the warning. Again: don't send them and don't open them.
You'll be fine.

PS. Have an 8th grader clone your hard drive so you can fix everything
in minutes.

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TOPIC: Corporation To Run For Public Office!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/025ce6dd19c25e00?hl=en
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== 1 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 3:42 pm
From: "Mike Hunter"

You are wrong, do some homework before you chose to comment, search the
historical record, WBMA.

One can READ the Courts opinion on the net, that sites the "corporations are
People," in the majority ruling. It is also mentioned in the minority
opinion.

One thing is for sure, BO nor the New York Times Editors, apparently did NOT
read the opinion that came down from the court or he and they would not have
made that goofy assertion that FOREIGN corporations can now spend money in
US elections.

The law forbidding foreigners from participating in US elections is still in
effect. That fact is listed in the majority opinion, as well.

I just made a quick search found this, from the Law Review, in less than two
minutes:

"President Barack Obama and other critics say the court's decision to let
corporations spend their money to directly influence elections opened the
floodgates to foreign involvement. In last week's address to Congress and
the nation, Obama asserted that the court had allowed special interests,
"including foreign corporations, to spend without limit on our elections."

That was a step too far, foreign corporations may NOT spend any money in
U.S. elections under a provision of federal election law that was UNTOUCHED
by the high court.

"Mrs Irish Mike" <BeaForoni@msn.com> wrote in message
news:0c63d001-db62-4976-9b7b-7046bc6bc967@v37g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 1, 9:02 am, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com> wrote:
> You need to do a bit more research! The Supreme Court had ruled, if I
> recall correctly, way back in 1922 that "corporations are People," who can
> be sued in the courts.
>
Link or lie? I say urban legend.

== 2 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 3:48 pm
From: krw

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 18:42:26 -0500, "Mike Hunter" <Mikehunt2@lycos,com>
wrote:

>You are wrong, do some homework before you chose to comment, search the
>historical record, WBMA.
>
>One can READ the Courts opinion on the net, that sites the "corporations are
>People," in the majority ruling. It is also mentioned in the minority
>opinion.
>
>One thing is for sure, BO nor the New York Times Editors, apparently did NOT
>read the opinion that came down from the court or he and they would not have
>made that goofy assertion that FOREIGN corporations can now spend money in
>US elections.

It's even sillier than that. US corporations still cannot directly
support politicians. They can express an opinion, even if they aren't
a "news organization". Free speech for others than the media, fancy
that.

<snip>

== 3 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 4:13 pm
From: Paul

Bill wrote:
> Following the recent Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United v. Federal
> Election Commission to allow unlimited corporate funding of federal
> campaigns, Murray Hill Incorporated, a diversifying corporation in the
> Washington, D.C. area, has filed to run for U.S. Congress in the Republican
> primary in Maryland's 8th Congressional District....
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-klein/supreme-court-ruling-spur_b_437871.html

We are a government of lawyers, by lawyers, and for lawyers.

== 4 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 4:15 pm
From: "Bill"

"...the more complicated question is how, under the new ruling, to treat
U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies or American corporations that are
controlled by foreign investors..."

Above from...

High Court Allows Foreign Campaign Finance...
http://globaleconomy.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2010/01/30/high-court-allows-foreign-campaign-finance/

== 5 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 4:17 pm
From: "Bill"

>
> We are a government of lawyers, by lawyers, and for lawyers.
>

NO, no, no!

We are a government of the Exxons, by the General Motors, and for the
Duponts! (Ralph Nader)

== 6 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 4:34 pm
From: "Mike Hunter"

Ralph WHO? ;)

"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7sp99kF82kU1@mid.individual.net...
> >
>> We are a government of lawyers, by lawyers, and for lawyers.
>>
>
> NO, no, no!
>
> We are a government of the Exxons, by the General Motors, and for the
> Duponts! (Ralph Nader)
>
>

== 7 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 4:36 pm
From: Paul

Bill wrote:
>> We are a government of lawyers, by lawyers, and for lawyers.
>
> NO, no, no!
>
> We are a government of the Exxons, by the General Motors, and for the
> Duponts! (Ralph Nader)

LOL
Who runs the United States and everything in it?
Lawyers.

== 8 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 4:45 pm
From: "Mike Hunter"

Hog wash, the ruling clearly let current law stand on contribution from
FOREIGN Corporations.
I.E. A first year law student would easily discover that although Toyota
has holding companies, incorporated in various states in the US, the Toyota
CORPORATION is Japanese and thus excludes the holding companies from
supporting candidates for ANY elected office, period.

"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:7sp95qF7inU1@mid.individual.net...
> "...the more complicated question is how, under the new ruling, to treat
> U.S. subsidiaries of foreign companies or American corporations that are
> controlled by foreign investors..."
>
> Above from...
>
> High Court Allows Foreign Campaign Finance...
> http://globaleconomy.foreignpolicyblogs.com/2010/01/30/high-court-allows-foreign-campaign-finance/
>
>

== 9 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 4:46 pm
From: gordonb.zgado@burditt.org (Gordon Burditt)

>The current Court simply REAFFIRMED that ruling, thus the law banning their
>"RIGHT to political speech," was not Constitutional.

I'd like to suggest that policical campaign contributions be taxable,
by all taxes applicable to the region or any part of it voting for
that office. This would include individual income tax, corporate
income tax, sales tax (for national elections, the sales tax of all
50 states), inheritance tax, property tax, all those odd taxes you
see on your phone bill, the SEC tax on stock trading, Social Security
taxes, Obama's health care tax if and when it becomes effective,
gasoline tax, etc.

== 10 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 5:01 pm
From: "hls"

"Gordon Burditt" <gordonb.zgado@burditt.org> wrote in message
news:AuOdnTnwpOl56PrWnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@posted.internetamerica...
> >The current Court simply REAFFIRMED that ruling, thus the law banning
> >their
>>"RIGHT to political speech," was not Constitutional.
>
> I'd like to suggest that policical campaign contributions be taxable,
> by all taxes applicable to the region or any part of it voting for
> that office. This would include individual income tax, corporate
> income tax, sales tax (for national elections, the sales tax of all
> 50 states), inheritance tax, property tax, all those odd taxes you
> see on your phone bill, the SEC tax on stock trading, Social Security
> taxes, Obama's health care tax if and when it becomes effective,
> gasoline tax, etc.

The latest ruling that opens the gate for company "donations" to
political campaigns is just a way for industry (or other wealthy
interest groups) to BUY congress.

Now, surely enough, congress has pimped itself for years, but
this brings pimpdon to a holy acceptable status.

== 11 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 5:07 pm
From: krw

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 19:01:13 -0600, "hls" <hls@nospam.nix> wrote:

>
>"Gordon Burditt" <gordonb.zgado@burditt.org> wrote in message
>news:AuOdnTnwpOl56PrWnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@posted.internetamerica...
>> >The current Court simply REAFFIRMED that ruling, thus the law banning
>> >their
>>>"RIGHT to political speech," was not Constitutional.
>>
>> I'd like to suggest that policical campaign contributions be taxable,
>> by all taxes applicable to the region or any part of it voting for
>> that office. This would include individual income tax, corporate
>> income tax, sales tax (for national elections, the sales tax of all
>> 50 states), inheritance tax, property tax, all those odd taxes you
>> see on your phone bill, the SEC tax on stock trading, Social Security
>> taxes, Obama's health care tax if and when it becomes effective,
>> gasoline tax, etc.
>
>The latest ruling that opens the gate for company "donations" to
>political campaigns is just a way for industry (or other wealthy
>interest groups) to BUY congress.

Bullshit. You really should learn something before spouting such
nonsense.

>Now, surely enough, congress has pimped itself for years, but
>this brings pimpdon to a holy acceptable status.

Ditto.

== 12 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 5:22 pm
From: "Mike Hunter"

Is that YOU Obama?

== 13 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 5:23 pm
From: Canuck57

On 01/02/2010 5:36 PM, Paul wrote:
> Bill wrote:
>>> We are a government of lawyers, by lawyers, and for lawyers.
>>
>> NO, no, no!
>>
>> We are a government of the Exxons, by the General Motors, and for the
>> Duponts! (Ralph Nader)
>
> LOL
> Who runs the United States and everything in it?
> Lawyers.

Sad, but tue.

People need to learn to forget if they are repulican, democrat or
independent and vote for the one that isn't a scum bag lawyer.

== 14 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 5:24 pm
From: "Mike Hunter"

It starts in the US Senate and now includes the shark lawyer from Chicago.
;)

"Paul" <P@main.com> wrote in message
news:hk7s3b$ofl$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Bill wrote:
>>> We are a government of lawyers, by lawyers, and for lawyers.
>>
>> NO, no, no!
>>
>> We are a government of the Exxons, by the General Motors, and for the
>> Duponts! (Ralph Nader)
>
> LOL
> Who runs the United States and everything in it?
> Lawyers.

== 15 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 5:53 pm
From: "hls"

"krw" <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message
>>The latest ruling that opens the gate for company "donations" to
>>political campaigns is just a way for industry (or other wealthy
>>interest groups) to BUY congress.
>
> Bullshit. You really should learn something before spouting such
> nonsense.
>
>>Now, surely enough, congress has pimped itself for years, but
>>this brings pimpdon to a holy acceptable status.
>
> Ditto.

I dont need to learn anything about this bill, and I cant believe you
would respond in such an ignorant way. Now businesses can
donate to campaigns at essentially unregulated levels..

If you have a point, make it, but dont just spout crap.

== 16 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 5:54 pm
From: Canuck57

On 01/02/2010 6:07 PM, krw wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 19:01:13 -0600, "hls"<hls@nospam.nix> wrote:
>
>>
>> "Gordon Burditt"<gordonb.zgado@burditt.org> wrote in message
>> news:AuOdnTnwpOl56PrWnZ2dnUVZ_gGdnZ2d@posted.internetamerica...
>>>> The current Court simply REAFFIRMED that ruling, thus the law banning
>>>> their
>>>> "RIGHT to political speech," was not Constitutional.
>>>
>>> I'd like to suggest that policical campaign contributions be taxable,
>>> by all taxes applicable to the region or any part of it voting for
>>> that office. This would include individual income tax, corporate
>>> income tax, sales tax (for national elections, the sales tax of all
>>> 50 states), inheritance tax, property tax, all those odd taxes you
>>> see on your phone bill, the SEC tax on stock trading, Social Security
>>> taxes, Obama's health care tax if and when it becomes effective,
>>> gasoline tax, etc.
>>
>> The latest ruling that opens the gate for company "donations" to
>> political campaigns is just a way for industry (or other wealthy
>> interest groups) to BUY congress.
>
> Bullshit. You really should learn something before spouting such
> nonsense.
>
>> Now, surely enough, congress has pimped itself for years, but
>> this brings pimpdon to a holy acceptable status.
>
> Ditto.

You have to look at it this way.

$5000 to each of 400 representatives is only $2 million. Since
government can taint the process to one companies favor or another, well
- cheap buy.

Say I was evil ultra-mega super rich and had $10 billion in one of the
failing banks. I would gladly pay $2 million to assure my $10 billion
was safe. Now say you have "connections" or some control to 25
corporations, and it is tax deductable. 26 * 5k * 400 is a lot of bribe
moneys. Right under the radar too.

You know the $10 billion is safe. I am sure Obama has his reasons he
cares not to discuss to us why some banks got help and others did not.

== 17 of 17 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 6:46 pm
From: Canuck57

You mean with the seat that had a scandle on it when Obama left when
fellow rats pounced?

On 01/02/2010 6:24 PM, Mike Hunter wrote:
> It starts in the US Senate and now includes the shark lawyer from Chicago.
> ;)
>
>
> "Paul"<P@main.com> wrote in message
> news:hk7s3b$ofl$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Bill wrote:
>>>> We are a government of lawyers, by lawyers, and for lawyers.
>>>
>>> NO, no, no!
>>>
>>> We are a government of the Exxons, by the General Motors, and for the
>>> Duponts! (Ralph Nader)
>>
>> LOL
>> Who runs the United States and everything in it?
>> Lawyers.
>
>

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== 1 of 1 ==
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TOPIC: I finally get it: If GW is not man-made, then God is punishing us with
it
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 6:08 pm
From: TheTibetanMonkey

On Feb 1, 8:40 pm, Medusa <Medusa4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 1, 2:10 pm, TheTibetanMonkey <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It's not very easy to follow the "logic" of these Christians who are
> > quick to deny Global Warming as if it was a plot by Satan himself to
> > confuse their simple minds… Anyway, I just realized that if man is not
> > to blame for GW, then they can keep happily driving their SUVs, and—
> > and here's the thing—God is to blame for GW, which is to say he's
> > punishing us for something.
>
> Ah, but GW doesn't exist! It's a hoax cooked up by those business-
> hating liberala.
>
> Medusa

I thought God was the real hoax.

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TOPIC: Finally this works for the average guy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 6:10 pm
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TOPIC: The wasteful Christian way vs. the Tibetan Monkey Way
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Mon, Feb 1 2010 6:28 pm
From: Ron Wallenfang

On Jan 29, 11:03 am, TheTibetanMonkey <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> In one of my most celebrated quotes I say, "I can live with peanuts!"
> But the Christians say, "It's my way or the highway!" Well, they don't
> mean they are willing to share their lion's share of the road with my
> humble bike. They just mean, "Get lost of 'my' way."
>
> This young guy, a smart monkey no doubt, tells things like it is. The
> SUV is highly symbolic of the wasteful Christians, who think nothing
> of the consequences of their actions. Jesus is coming soon, right?
> "Stupid sheep are ruining the planet," says the wise Tibetan Monkey.
> And he added, "It ain't easy to survive in their jungle."
>
> So let's hear all about it...
>
> EXCESS ON WHEELS
>
> Common sense would dictate that the finite supply of oil and its
> impending exhaustion would deter people (Americans specifically) from
> using it inefficiently, but unfortunately that is not the case. There
> are a variety of ways in which Americans are wasting oil, but perhaps
> the most conspicuous is through our use of oversized vehicles.
>
> ...
>
> It is worth pondering what makes SUVs appealing to people when they
> are so wasteful. Some psychologists have argued that people drive SUVs
> because they create a sense of superiority and safety due to their
> size and height. SUVs are often even viewed by many as a status
> symbol. On the contrary, these gas-guzzlers are not cool. The only
> people who think SUVs are cool are those who are ignorant about the
> adverse consequences of wasting oil. SUVs are undesirable for a number
> of reasons other than those previously stated. They are on average
> louder than passenger cars, as if to intentionally make the driver
> come off as tough or menacing (or perhaps to run their engine, which
> must make loud sounds to move such a massive object). The size of SUVs
> also works wonders at obscuring other drivers' vision on the road.
> They are also extraordinarily dangerous.
>
> http://www.insidevandy.com/drupal/node/11456
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> "Tibetan monkeys can live on peanuts and banana, but other monkeys
> need to show they are lions"
>
> http://webspawner.com/users/BANANAREVOLUTION

In my life, I've been to Mass something on the order of 10,000 times,
celebrated by an accumulated total of many hundreds of Priests, and
I'm still waiting to hear my first sermon preaching waste or road-
hogging. I'm less familiar with what our Protestant brethren have had
to say, but limited exposure to their radio and TV evangelists over
the years makes me doubt that your shoe fits them, either.

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