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Wednesday, February 23, 2011

misc.consumers.frugal-living - 25 new messages in 10 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: I want to get rid of my landline but...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/321423bed679947e?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Tues, Feb 22 2011 9:29 pm
From: Gordon

JimSo <jimsocal@hotmail.com> wrote in news:e1ae0835-68cc-4621-a172-
0024d7a32ec0@8g2000prb.googlegroups.com:

> ATT just keeps raising my landline cost to the point where I am now
> paying $35 just for the landline itself, and all I use it for are
> local calls and to access my cheap long distance via onesuite.com. Oh,
> and as I understand it I have to have GTC Telecom as my ld carrier, so
> that's another $4 or so per month.
>
> So.. I want to get rid of my landline if for no other reason than to
> say FU to ATT for charging so much for it.
>
> So what I need is a cell phone service that :
> Is reliable
> Has unlimited "free" minutes for long distance
> Costs less than $40/month
>
> I don't need internet or texting etc. in fact I'd like to use it with
> a very cheap cell phone; I just need good reception and reliability
> not the internet, texting, etc. ; though if it has texting I might
> eventually use it...
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> I do use pagepluscellular on one old cell phone I use for emergencies
> and I use Tracfone for the other but both are too expensive for "daily
> home use" because my wife sometimes like to talk on the phone for
> hours to her sister in Pennsylvania.
>

Page Plus is about as cheap as you are going to get for a cell.

Do you have a decent internet connection? Consider getting
a VoIP phone service. Magic Jack is pretty cheap at $20.00
per year. Vonage is not as cheap as they would like you to think.
Phone Power is half the price of Vonage and has better service
and features. I've been with Phone Power for almost a year and
have no complaints.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 6:44 am
From: "rtandems@yahoo.com"

T-Mobile has a $40 plan that include 500 minutes a month. If you can
get your wife to call on weekends, the minutes are free.

Also consider what her sister is using for a phone. I added my Mom to
my plan for an additional $10/mo and we can talk anytime, as mobile to
mobile calls within the family are always free.

-Brian

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TOPIC: HD car radio - looking for analog control, ease of use model
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/d0a2fb1083cd1c4c?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 2:45 am
From: Ohioguy

For some time I've been searching for a new HD radio to put in our
car. My wife drives nearly an hour commuting every day, and has said
she would like HD radio in the car, in order to have a better selection
of music. I told her to just keep using the 8 track player for now.
<joking>

I can see where she is coming from. I had actually installed an HD
radio in our previous car. What I liked about it was the large number
of preset buttons on the face. What I didn't like was that the display
regularly did not show artist and other info, and at times the radio
would keep switching back and forth between HD and standard, making it
annoying to listen to. Evidently my wife misses some of the HD stations
she used to be able to listen to.

I am looking for a model with ease of use. The fewer hidden "menus",
the better.

Front USB would be good as well - then she could listen to podcasts
during her drive.

Do any "chains" or other places offer an installed price? (or a
"everything included" price for radio installation)

Thanks!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 8:34 am
From: me@privacy.net

Ohioguy <none@none.net> wrote:

> I am looking for a model with ease of use. The fewer hidden "menus",
>the better.

Have no advice or help

Juts hope when you do find something to give us a
review as I'm looking at same thing myself

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TOPIC: OT: ODBII PC scanners
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/1a443f6921fe7c39?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 3:41 am
From: Jeff Thies

I've been trying to get the girlfriends car ready for the emission
check and would like to look at the engine live data. There appear to be
a number of PC interfaces for the ODB connection. Here is one:

http://www.autotap.com/product.asp

Has anyone used any of these and any recommendation. On the frugal end
of the price scale would be preferable.

Jeff

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 7:26 am
From: Tony Hwang

Jeff Thies wrote:
> I've been trying to get the girlfriends car ready for the emission
> check and would like to look at the engine live data. There appear to be
> a number of PC interfaces for the ODB connection. Here is one:
>
> http://www.autotap.com/product.asp
>
> Has anyone used any of these and any recommendation. On the frugal end
> of the price scale would be preferable.
>
> Jeff
Hi,
I've been using it long time. I use free shareware and laptop thru USB
hook up. I assembled interface in a small metal enclosure using a kit.
All my family car is Japanese so the coneector is ISO spec. Domestic
ones may have different connector.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 7:29 am
From: Tony Hwang

Jeff Thies wrote:
> I've been trying to get the girlfriends car ready for the emission
> check and would like to look at the engine live data. There appear to be
> a number of PC interfaces for the ODB connection. Here is one:
>
> http://www.autotap.com/product.asp
>
> Has anyone used any of these and any recommendation. On the frugal end
> of the price scale would be preferable.
>
> Jeff
Hi,
They are very useful. Try free shareare first. And domestic cars may have
different connector.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 8:36 am
From: Tony Hwang

Jeff Thies wrote:
> I've been trying to get the girlfriends car ready for the emission
> check and would like to look at the engine live data. There appear to be
> a number of PC interfaces for the ODB connection. Here is one:
>
> http://www.autotap.com/product.asp
>
> Has anyone used any of these and any recommendation. On the frugal end
> of the price scale would be preferable.
>
> Jeff
Hi,
They are very useful. Try free shareare first. And domestic cars may have
different connector.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 10:03 am
From: Vic Smith

On Wed, 23 Feb 2011 06:41:05 -0500, Jeff Thies <jeff_thies@att.net>
wrote:

> I've been trying to get the girlfriends car ready for the emission
>check and would like to look at the engine live data. There appear to be
>a number of PC interfaces for the ODB connection. Here is one:
>
>http://www.autotap.com/product.asp
>
>Has anyone used any of these and any recommendation. On the frugal end
>of the price scale would be preferable.
>

I haven't used them so don't have a recommendation on which would fit
your needs.
I don't know how your state checks emissions, but here in Illinois
they don't even put a sensor in the exhaust anymore for the later
ODBII cars. '96 and later I think. Just use their ODBII scanner.
The key to a scanner here is that it can clear codes.
You don't want to go to emissions testing with a stored intermittent
code.
Just did the test here last month and had my son check it with his
scanner a couple days before I went.
He cleared an intermittent EGR code.
That would have flunked me I think.
We have an older ODBII reader that would only read the code, but he's
got one that can clear them.
It's a "pricey" Snap-On, but he's a mech.
I'd talk to some pro mechs before I'd put any heavy money into
scanning equipment.
There's a lot of stuff on the "net" too.
There are also real "gotchas" with some older model ODBII cars
regarding the interfaces.
But I think the newer cars are pretty consistent.

--Vic

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TOPIC: A filter to use in MCFL
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/65410f680296ef88?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 5:37 am
From: Derald

Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:

>I have no idea what these jokers are even talking about.
>Absolutely no idea.
>It's a very nice feeling.
>But if filters work for others, that's fine.
Oh, I forgot: I twit-list top-posters forever on first offense.
>
>POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!
RIGHT ON!!!! Shoot, I remember when people actually said that....
--
Derald

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TOPIC: Are traffic and public transportation examples of socialism?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ad6decd549bbdaee?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 5:53 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

On Feb 22, 11:30 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 10:41 pm, Ron Peterson <r...@shell.core.com> wrote:
>
> > On Feb 21, 9:23 am, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, aka Comandante
>
> > Banana" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Our failure is to grasp that bullet trains or bikes can alleviate our
> > > congested traffic ...
>
> > Bullet trains aren't energy efficient. Monorails are a better
> > solution.
>
> > Many in China are complaining about the high cost of bullet trains.
>
> > --
> > Ron
>
> The bullet trains are a small part of rail traffic. We convert our
> rail beds into bike paths! We just float along like spoiled children
> spouting slogans.

Wait, we travel in one of these...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7c/Indian_railways_hand_cart_1978.jpg

Notice there's no unions or public officials sucking up contracts.

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TOPIC: Nice fellows we support when we waste gas
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/b942d41d8c524660?hl=en
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 6:10 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

On Feb 23, 4:51 am, boltar2...@boltar.world wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:22:01 -0800 (PST)
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit Campaign" <
>
>
>
> comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Nice fellows we are supporting when we waste gas...
>
> >HAVANA, Cuba =96 The bloody upheaval in Libya is creating an
> >uncomfortable challenge for Moammar Gadhafi's leftist Latin American
> >allies, with some keeping their distance and others rushing to the
> >defense of a leader they have long embraced as a fellow fighter
> >against U.S. influence in the world.
>
> >Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro said Tuesday that the unrest may be a
> >pretext for a NATO invasion of Libya, while Nicaraguan President
> >Daniel Ortega offered support for Gadhafi, saying he had telephoned to
> >express solidarity.
>
> >Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, on the other hand, has stayed mute. Bolivia
> >came closest to criticizing the government in Tripoli, issuing a
> >statement expressing concern over "the regrettable loss of many lives"
> >and urging both sides to find a peaceful solution.
>
> Can you keep all your stateside BS off the UK groups please. They're utterly
> irrelevant and we frankly don't give a shit about your tedious political
> rantings. If you're so desperate for an audience go write a blog , or better
> still see a psychiatrist.
>
> B2003

Hey comrade, some revolutionary pep talk doesn't hurt when the
revolutions for the planet are happening. I was awaken with fresh news
that the guy is going down. The bourgeoisie is worried about their
SUVs, but we must celebrate.

I'm doing my revolutionary bike today. Call me when there's a
revolution.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 6:14 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

On Feb 22, 11:37 pm, edspyhill01 <edspyhil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 22, 8:23 pm, "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, aka Comandante
>
>
>
> Banana" <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Nice fellows we are supporting when we waste gas...
>
> > HAVANA, Cuba – The bloody upheaval in Libya is creating an
> > uncomfortable challenge for Moammar Gadhafi's leftist Latin American
> > allies, with some keeping their distance and others rushing to the
> > defense of a leader they have long embraced as a fellow fighter
> > against U.S. influence in the world.
>
> > Former Cuban leader Fidel Castro said Tuesday that the unrest may be a
> > pretext for a NATO invasion of Libya, while Nicaraguan President
> > Daniel Ortega offered support for Gadhafi, saying he had telephoned to
> > express solidarity.
>
> > Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, on the other hand, has stayed mute. Bolivia
> > came closest to criticizing the government in Tripoli, issuing a
> > statement expressing concern over "the regrettable loss of many lives"
> > and urging both sides to find a peaceful solution.
>
> > ***
>
> > Once upon a time there was some morality in the world and you felt
> > like every effort counted:
>
> >http://jonceco.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/ride_with_hitler.jpg?w=360...
>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >http://webspawner.com/users/BIKEFORPEACE
>
> Not really. We've always supported dictators for cheaper oil and
> other raw materials.
>
> We will see $5.00 a gallon gas, maybe even $8.00 a gallon gas. It was
> inevitable that our military might could not keep these countries in
> the hands of our hand-picked dictators.
>
> Don't bother complaining. UK and EU drivers have been paying high
> prices for gas for decades. They laugh at the petulent, immature
> Americans.

Yeah, but the UK has been getting fat (second after Americans) and the
rest of Europeans too. And then they are heavy smokers. The only hope
are the Dutch and the Revolution...

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 8:33 am
From: me@privacy.net

"His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop
the Bullshit Campaign" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Hey comrade, some revolutionary pep talk doesn't hurt when the
>revolutions for the planet are happening. I was awaken with fresh news
>that the guy is going down. The bourgeoisie is worried about their
>SUVs, but we must celebrate.

agree...its a good thing!

hope gas goes up to its true COST

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 10:38 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

On Feb 23, 11:33 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop
> the Bullshit Campaign" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hey comrade, some revolutionary pep talk doesn't hurt when the
> >revolutions for the planet are happening. I was awaken with fresh news
> >that the guy is going down. The bourgeoisie is worried about their
> >SUVs, but we must celebrate.
>
> agree...its a good thing!
>
> hope gas goes up to its true COST

Thanks! I feel redeemed now. ;)

I pedaled a lot today so I'm ready.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 6:47 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

Oh comrade, you'd be begging for this revolution when the time comes
because this is about MODERATION & TRANSPORTATION (notice they rhyme).
We don't know if the other revolutions are going to turn right or
wrong, but we have a clear idea about the solutions. Don't forget the
monkey with the beach cruiser is taking part in it (life's beach),
enlightening the world with reality. Remember, NO MORE BULLSHIT. And
if you hate public transportation, you can ride a bike like I do.

Sometimes I hate public transportation the way it is --noisy and
unreliable-- but together with the bike is OK. We must be ready for
the high gas prices and welcome the next step in evolution. Come what
may.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 11:03 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

<me@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:tldam6p2qq093cn0tctd7c4jvmjt0ccgcr@4ax.com...
> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop
> the Bullshit Campaign" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Hey comrade, some revolutionary pep talk doesn't hurt when the
>>revolutions for the planet are happening. I was awaken with fresh news
>>that the guy is going down. The bourgeoisie is worried about their
>>SUVs, but we must celebrate.
>
> agree...its a good thing!
>
> hope gas goes up to its true COST

I hope gas goes up your dumb ass and blows your fucking stupid head off, you
god damn shithead-asshole! Afraid to use your real name? Or even your usual
moniker? Of course you are, you god damn dumb stupid son of a bitch.

Fuck You,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 11:17 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

On Feb 23, 2:03 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@iw.net> wrote:
> <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
>
> news:tldam6p2qq093cn0tctd7c4jvmjt0ccgcr@4ax.com...
>
> > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop
> > the Bullshit Campaign" <nolionnoprob...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>Hey comrade, some revolutionary pep talk doesn't hurt when the
> >>revolutions for the planet are happening. I was awaken with fresh news
> >>that the guy is going down. The bourgeoisie is worried about their
> >>SUVs, but we must celebrate.
>
> > agree...its a good thing!
>
> > hope gas goes up to its true COST
>
> I hope gas goes up your dumb ass and blows your fucking stupid head off, you
> god damn shithead-asshole! Afraid to use your real name? Or even your usual
> moniker? Of course you are, you god damn dumb stupid son of a bitch.

I've suddenly realized that people wasting gas are pro Gadhafi and pro
terrorists everywhere. One of his top diplomats that defected
confirmed he blew up the airplane over Scotland as if we needed more
evidence.

You still have time to change your mind and ride a bike or public
transportation though.

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TOPIC: How about $5 gas?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/2e474f26d56708bd?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 7:36 am
From: Charmin

On Feb 22, 11:02 pm, Lamumba <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> certainly good for the environment
> --
> Karma, What a concept!

You sure are one lonely SOB cramming for your finals.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 9:19 am
From: Lamumba

In article
<2965743b-4ade-4ab6-915e-0eabf321ed50@r19g2000prm.googlegroups.com>,
Charmin <charmin@mailinator.com> wrote:

> On Feb 22, 11:02�pm, Lamumba <george...@toast.net> wrote:
> > certainly good for the environment
> > --
> > Karma, What a concept!
>
> You sure are one lonely SOB cramming for your finals.

are you squeezable ?
--
Karma, What a concept!

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TOPIC: question about 'revolving accounts'
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/ee228f3f89c08370?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 8:08 am
From: SMS

On 1/31/2011 10:03 AM, BigDog811 wrote:
> On Jan 31, 8:32 am, Ohioguy<n...@none.net> wrote:
>> I guess my real question is this: Is the American Express card
>> somehow weighing negatively on our credit history? I thought it was
>> actually a positive, since that is the only credit card I have in my
>> name. (even though I don't use it)
>
> It's less a matter of the number of cards you hold (though the fewer
> the better) as it is the total amount of unsecured credit you have
> access to. It's a question of your potential unsecured debt to income
> ratio combined with your existing debt (mortgage, car loan, etc.)

The lower the debt to available credit ratio the better. So having
higher unsecured credit limits is a positive.

Ironically, having a higher secured credit limit is a negative, i.e. if
you try to refinance your mortgage loan and have a HELOC with a high
limit, it doesn't matter that you have not used the HELOC, they treat it
as if you are paying the monthly payment on the entire credit limit.

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TOPIC: Should America Euthanize the Old People and Homeless?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/8db50c56e106a028?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 5:47 am
From: Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net">

On 2/22/2011 6:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
> <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
> news:l5n7m69jbei3705c3u2uhhmlrhu1iadavi@4ax.com...
>> "Edward Dolan"<edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Let us hope that someone will invent a boat someday, stupid.
>>
>> do buy one and sale off fuckwit
>
> How about I [sail] one up your ass instead.

The "wind" blows the wrong direction for that.

--
Tºm Shermªn - 42.435731,-83.985007
I am a vehicular cyclist.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 10:49 am
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

On Feb 23, 8:47 am, Tºm Shermªn™ °_° <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI
$southslope.net"> wrote:
> On 2/22/2011 6:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>
> > <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
> >news:l5n7m69jbei3705c3u2uhhmlrhu1iadavi@4ax.com...
> >> "Edward Dolan"<edo...@iw.net> wrote:
>
> >>> Let us hope that someone will invent a boat someday, stupid.
>
> >> do buy one and sale off fuckwit
>
> > How about I [sail] one up your ass instead.
>
> The "wind" blows the wrong direction for that.

Have you thought of putting all that wind to work?

http://webspawner.com/users/FARTFORPEACE

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 11:17 am
From: "Edward Dolan"

"T�m Sherm�nT �_�" <""twshermanREMOVE\"@THI$southslope.net"> wrote in
message news:ik335n$8i4$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> On 2/22/2011 6:01 PM, Edward Dolan wrote:
>> <me@privacy.net> wrote in message
>> news:l5n7m69jbei3705c3u2uhhmlrhu1iadavi@4ax.com...
>>> "Edward Dolan"<edolan@iw.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Let us hope that someone will invent a boat someday, stupid.
>>>
>>> do buy one and sale off fuckwit
>>
>> How about I [sail] one up your ass instead.
>
> The "wind" blows the wrong direction for that.

I do not take pains with asshole-shitheads like RS. The dumber I am, the
more I get on their level.

You take the high road with low brows at your peril. Scum must always be
treated like scum. I would kill them if I could. Your mistake, like that of
all liberals, is that you think scum can be saved from themselves. They
can't. It is why you cut Ed Gin so much slack. Poor Jim McNamara did not
know how to deal with him either. I can spot asshole-shitheads like RS and
Ed Gin from a mile away. Too bad you can't.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: Freedom in the West means Freedom from Oil
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/t/4ae8f49de232dcc3?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Feb 23 2011 12:01 pm
From: "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the Stop the Bullshit
Campaign"

Sure, we are "free" in the West. We can talk all we want and nobody
cares since they --the voters-- are busy themselves trying to survive
in the Darwinist jungle. Make ends meet and go shopping are part of
the balancing act that makes you "happy." Never mind public
transportation is a disgrace and there's no place for bikes. They only
care about the bottom line: CHEAP OIL.

Well, the bubble is about to burst and things will definitely change.
I don't want empty slogans about democracy. I WANT FREEDOM FROM OIL. I
DON'T WANT TO SUPPORT TERRORISTS AND TYRANTS. Give me room on the road
for my bike and you can go on with your democratic mind game.

Remember, do not tease the monkey!

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