Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Saturday, August 4, 2007

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TOPIC: Woman is content living in 84-sq. ft. tiny dream home.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/911886124117ed11?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 1:17 am
From: "Robert Miller"

I've lived in a 28ft. motor home for 2 years now. I went to work in
Mississippi after hurricane katrina. I have all the comforts I need.
Currently I'm parked on
my mother's property. I have no rent, and no mortgage. My power
phone/internet and propane bill run about $150 a month. Which is half what
my car payment is.
I live alone, but in Mississippi there were often 5 or 6 people living in a
FEMA
trailer no bigger than my RV. There are some very good deals out there. A
friend sold me this one for $6,000, he also let my pay $300 a month. It's
an 85 with low mileage, but I've seen other deals better than mine. It's
nice to travel
a bit and not have to worry about a hotel room. I can also go to a bar and
not
have to worry about driving home :-) I've done that a few times. I seldom
drink
very much, but when you can walk out into the parking lot and not need to
drive anywhere, you can have a better time at the bar and drink more than
you
might if you had to drive. There is no open container law in an RV in any
State
I've asked an officer. I can have a liquer cabinet with a dozen bottles
opened
and not fear the law as long as nobody is drinking while the RV is moving.

Robert

"Useful Info" <useful_inf@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184534993.066577.321830@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> Electricity from solar.
> Propane from a small container.
> $10k for the entire house.
> No mortgage...
>
> Wait... no debt? Isn't that un-American? Aren't we all supposed to be
> enslaved to the banks?
>
> See the video at http://Muvy.org
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 8:23 am
From: "Paul Thomas, CPA"

"Robert Miller" <rober999@windstream.net> wrote
> Currently I'm parked on my mother's property.

> I live alone

Damn. Not a facts I'd put on the internet.

--
If electricity comes from electrons, does morality come from morons?
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Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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TOPIC: The Made in China Bogeyman
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6b5476492d573449?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 5:12 am
From: "The Henchman"

"PaPaPeng" <PaPaPeng@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>

> Nothing is scarier than the China scare
> By Debasish Roy Chowdhury
> August 4, 2007
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China_Business/IH04Cb01.html
>

Good article with a different perspective. Thank you for providing it.

I work for a tool manufacturing firm in Canada. We are small, 7 people, and
our customers resell our products to both construction and manufacturing
businesses.

We have stuck by our American steel imports at my firm but because we have
no idea when these American firms will outsource (two of them have to Turkey
and India) we have approached several Chinese firms to see what they would
offer. Why import from the USA if it's just rebadged.

Also American firms in our industry have no problem going after our own
customers. Because we provided technical help and support most of our
customers will stay with us. My employer is from Wisconsin himself but it's
his opinion to stop importing raw product from any American firm unless they
will ensure us they do not sell behind our back in our immediate market.
American firms set up shell companies to get the customers themselves. The
Chinese wanted to give us an exclusive geographic area in exchange for
paying upon delivery.

We deal with alloy steel. The Chinese firms and our reps we talked two
cannot provided the specific alloys we need but I will say they listened and
tried gain our business and listened to and considered what our customers
would need and want and what concerns they would have. Maybe in another 5
years we will revisit these Chinese firms and see how their steel alloy
development has advanced.

So for me the Chinese had great customer service and the Americans had empty
promises. Currently we are now getting about 70% of our steel from Western
European sources. It's expensive but the quality is great and we know the
Europeans won't attempt to take our customers away unlike the Americans and
we know the Europeans will not comprimise on quality on their tool industry.
It used to be 80% of our steel was from American sources.

But we are just one firm.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 6:33 am
From: "Don K"

"The Henchman" <dontsellmestuff@iampoor.net> wrote in message
news:23_si.3192$tb2.1824@fe02.news.easynews.com...
>
> I work for a tool manufacturing firm in Canada. We are small, 7 people, and our
> customers resell our products to both construction and manufacturing businesses.
>
> We have stuck by our American steel imports at my firm but because we have no idea when
> these American firms will outsource (two of them have to Turkey and India) we have
> approached several Chinese firms to see what they would offer. Why import from the USA
> if it's just rebadged.

To save the bother of doing it yourself, the same reason for buying anything.

> Also American firms in our industry have no problem going after our own customers.
> Because we provided technical help and support most of our customers will stay with us.
> My employer is from Wisconsin himself but it's his opinion to stop importing raw product
> from any American firm unless they will ensure us they do not sell behind our back in
> our immediate market. American firms set up shell companies to get the customers
> themselves.

That's called competition and is generally a good thing.

> The Chinese wanted to give us an exclusive geographic area in exchange for paying upon
> delivery.

People will do such things to break into a market. Things could change
with them too, once they establish themselves.

> We deal with alloy steel. The Chinese firms and our reps we talked two cannot provided
> the specific alloys we need but I will say they listened and tried gain our business and
> listened to and considered what our customers would need and want and what concerns they
> would have. Maybe in another 5 years we will revisit these Chinese firms and see how
> their steel alloy development has advanced.

Don't be overly impressed. Any sales rep whose company doesn't yet have
a required capability will politely listen and try to convince you that they
will be seriously considering your needs as they strive to develop their
future products.

> So for me the Chinese had great customer service and the Americans had empty promises.

What tangible customer service did you received?
It's like the old joke about the store selling an item for $2.
The customer complains that they're only $1 at another store.
Then, why don't you buy it there?
They're out of them.
When we're out of them, we sell them for $1 too.

Don

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 9:59 am
From: PaPaPeng

On Fri, 03 Aug 2007 22:42:35 -0700, jtnospam@yahoo.com wrote:

>
>Quoting from your article:
>
>"Yet, while aiming to publicize its actions on safety controls,
>Beijing
>has also tried to limit future PR fallout. Newspapers in the capital
>have been warned against running negative news on food safety, even
>negative articles reprinted from newspapers in other regions,
>reported
>the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post this week."
>
>It helps prove my point. Rather than address the problems directly,
>the government is punishing the messengers.
>Unless there is an independent civil judicial system in which private
>companies and individuals (including foreigners who do business
>in China) can get fair and equal treatment for their complaints before
>an impartial judge, economic participants do business in China at
>their peril.

The two articles I cited should be enough to cover all I can possibily
say on the issue. All that remains is to wait to see how real people
handle the situation. Will China modify its processes to meet
customer demands? Yes because its relatively painless, cheap and easy
to do so. Will US consumers stop buying Made in China goods? It
never even happened in the first place because the benefits and
utility far outweigh the anti-China hype. Other than the occasional
attack the anti-China hype has already passed from the headlines.
You now have a major infrastructure breakdown crisis, a Congress that
can't get anything passed and a government that is dead in the water
to keep the headlines screaming.

>There is also a systemic cultural bias against outsiders, who
>>are still considered "foreign devils".-Jitney

Reminds me of a published joke.

A US Frontier Calvary captain was trying to make nice to an Indian
chief, peace pipe and all, in an attempt to stop Indian raids. After
a much hot air from the captian the chief said nothing but gave the
capt. the familiar middle finger sign. Our capt. says, "The middle
finger stabbing upwards I get. But what is this stabbing sideways
too?" After much puffing on the peace pipe the chief says, "I don't
like your horse either."

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 10:12 am
From: PaPaPeng

On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 09:33:30 -0400, "Don K" <dk@dont_bother_me.com>
wrote:

>Don't be overly impressed. Any sales rep whose company doesn't yet have
>a required capability will politely listen and try to convince you that they
>will be seriously considering your needs as they strive to develop their
>future products.

The big problem here is that as soon as a product is successful
several more producers jump in make exactly the same thing. Read the
June '07 article on China's Boomtown in the June National Geographic
http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0706/feature4/

to get a good
idea of the kind of cutthroat competition Chinese manufacturers face
in their home territory. But that kind of competition is what gets
you the take no prisoners "China Price".

Ted Fishman's book "China*Inc" give an even more detailed treatment of
the "China Price."
http://www.alibris.com/search/books/qwork/8704138/used/China,%20Inc.:%20How%20the%20Rise%20of%20the%20Next%20Superpower%20Challenges%20America%20and%20the%20World

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TOPIC: FREE Satellite TV on your PC

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8d38a030e53650d2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 6:11 am
From: M Lopez

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TOPIC: isps offering free trials
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/20b9602388ddd7c4?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 7:51 am
From: mwmiller314@gmail.com

Does anyone know of isps that offer free trials of isp service for
high speed connection? aol perhaps? I didn't research the point
earlier because I only had dial-up.

Any help appreciated,

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TOPIC: wholesale sport shoes,clothing,electronics in china www.shopbb.com
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/e231aa744271d717?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 8:42 am
From: shopbb.001@hotmail.com

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== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 8:43 am
From: shopbb.001@hotmail.com

this is our website http://www.shopbb.com

we are wholesase sport shoes and wear online

we offer best service and good price.

we are welcome you come in our website.

our service email is shopbb@hotmail.com

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 8:44 am
From: imitatetrade.003@hotmail.com

this is our website http://www.shopbb.com

we are wholesase sport shoes and wear online

we offer best service and good price.

we are welcome you come in our website.

our service email is shopbb@hotmail.com

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 8:58 am
From: George Grapman

Yes , and if there is a problem they have a hotmail contact.

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TOPIC: Frugal Productive Use of Time
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 9:51 am
From: mwmiller314@gmail.com

I was trying to find audio book versions of some of the classics of
fiction from across recent and past recent decades/centuries, but had
trouble. Can anyone direct me to where these might be found?

Any helpful feedback appreciated,

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 10:53 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

<mwmiller314@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1186246318.996637.152150@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I was trying to find audio book versions of some of the classics of
> fiction from across recent and past recent decades/centuries, but had
> trouble. Can anyone direct me to where these might be found?
>
> Any helpful feedback appreciated,

do a search for free audio books. you can download them. some do exist.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 11:01 am
From: Anthony Matonak

mwmiller314@gmail.com wrote:
> I was trying to find audio book versions of some of the classics of
> fiction from across recent and past recent decades/centuries, but had
> trouble. Can anyone direct me to where these might be found?
>
> Any helpful feedback appreciated,

While it may not be entirely legal (depending on the copyrights) you
might try one of the binary newsgroups...
alt.binaries.audiobooks
alt.binaries.mp3.audiobooks
alt.binaries.mp3.audiobooks.highspeed
alt.binaries.mp3.audiobooks.repost
alt.binaries.sound.audiobooks
alt.binaries.sounds.audiobooks
alt.binaries.sounds.audiobooks.repost
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.audiobooks

You can use a free binaries downloader like the one from here...
http://www.shemes.com/

Most audiobooks, when encoded as mp3, use fairly low bitrates.
This mean they don't take up as much memory in an mp3 player
as most music files.

There is also the internet archive.
http://www.archive.org/details/audio
http://www.archive.org/details/audio_bookspoetry

You can get a fairly good MP3 player for around $20 these days.

Anthony

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 11:24 am
From: "Rod Speed"

There's plenty using a decent torrent site. Likely most arent legal.
http://www.demonoid.com/files/

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TOPIC: Frugal Research of Retirement Planning Options
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/b7f781cf9bb53eb1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 9:54 am
From: mwmiller314@gmail.com

Can anyone direct me to good reading or other resources for
researching the availability of annuity or other retirement saving
options available in the U.S. for someone with still a number of
decades to go before retirement age? I wanted to research the topic
more fully and get off to a better start with more research rather
than leave things loose past when good planning could have helped.

Any helpful feedback appreciated,

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TOPIC: the way how to write ultimate job resume...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ae3f4a5130f4d132?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 10:45 am
From: kaash

If you want to apply for job than you should write good jobs resume.
In today's competitive job market, a well-written resume is the most
significant issue in getting your desired job. Here's the way how to
write ultimate job resume...
http://jobupdates.blogspot.com/2007/07/how-to-write-job-resume.html

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 11:40 am
From: clams casino

kaash wrote:

>If you want to apply for job
>
>
>
Uhh - who really wants a job in Pakistan?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 12:13 pm
From: Logan Shaw

kaash wrote:
> If you want to apply for job than you should write good jobs resume.

Step one: avoid awkward, redundant-sounding phrases like "jobs resume".

- Logan

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TOPIC: foot pump valve sticking, how to save it?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1702c3cbbef5ffc1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 10:49 am
From: beerismygas

hi there,

when inflating using my foot pump, the pump sometimes resists
movement
& the gauge reaches 80psi. something appears to be getting stuck. any
idea what it could be?

i know i can buy another pump for $4 from Herbor Fright, but this was
a quality pump & i would like to try to dismantle and clean it if
possible.

thx

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TOPIC: I quit my job and now I'm making roughly 150 dollars a day! haha
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4f629748379b826d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 11:52 am
From: newagejobs1@yahoo.com

About a month ago I quit my job at Hollister. I didn't quit it because
I didn't like it there I quit because I was making about 150-200
dollars a day filling out opinion surveys for Nike. I mean seriously
that's close to four times what I was making at Hollister. There are
still job openings if anyone is interested at www.newagejobs.net. It
was one of the best decisions of my life. Later guys

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 12:06 pm
From: clams casino

newagejobs1@yahoo.com wrote:

>About a month ago I quit my job at Hollister.
>
>

It's so thoughtful of you to notify numerous newsgroups of your decision.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 12:17 pm
From: Wayne Sallee

It would be funny if someone could truthfully
respond to the spammer's post with

"I quit my job too because I make more money by
suing spammers"

:-)

Wayne Sallee
Webmaster@LeesburgNazarene.org

clams casino wrote on 8/4/2007 3:06 PM:
> newagejobs1@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> About a month ago I quit my job at Hollister.
>>
>
> It's so thoughtful of you to notify numerous newsgroups of your decision.

--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

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TOPIC: OT: My Trip With My Son
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8d4791fd1b0e73c2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 4 2007 12:27 pm
From: Dawn

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 01:07:20 GMT, "Joe"
<really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:

>My trip with my son kicks off tomorrow... The one I kept asking advice on
>here... Remember? Great places to visit while driving across the country?
>Frugal car rental ideas? Just thought some of you might want to follow
>along on the journey...
>
>The blog (log?) has been created and will be updated daily...
>
>http://www.yunx.com is the place to see it.
>
>Nothing fancy there yet, but give me a few days. :)
>
>Any tips for the blog or the trip? Let me know. I'll be checking e-mail
>and the newsgroup(s) as often as I can.
>
>Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R
>
>Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
>http://yunx.com/valk.htm
>
>Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ?
>http://tinyurl.com/5apkg
>
Hey Joe,
I am enjoying your blog and pics. It looks like
you and your son are having a great time.
Dawn, who used to make road trips a long time ago.

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