Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 11 topics

Thursday, August 16, 2007

25 new messages in 11 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: "Ask Amy" on hosts who try to shake you down
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/bda94bb107c98041?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 11:24 am
From: lenona321@yahoo.com

Enjoy - for what it's worth.
Lenona.

http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/chi-0816askamyaug16,0,1353428.column

Dear Amy: Yesterday we went to the home of a friend for dinner. There
were 25 guests.

My wife and I brought a moderately priced bottle of wine.

Following dinner and before dessert, an announcement was made by the
host that a collection of money was being made to defray the costs. My
wife and I were appalled by this as the host is by no means in need of
money.

We have invited this person to our home several times in the past and
would never think of assessing our guests for anything. Should we have
contributed? How would one politely refuse? We have decided never to
attend any future functions by this host. Your thoughts?

-- Stunned by the Host

Dear Stunned: I would have thought this unbelievable, but a similar
thing happened to me recently. Now I wonder if this is an unfortunate
trend.

I don't think that there is a polite way to refuse to contribute in
this situation, though one could say, "I'm so sorry, I didn't bring
any cash with me; do you take Visa?"

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 11:33 am
From: "Bob's Backfire Burrito"

<lenona321@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1187288674.428296.148500@b79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Enjoy - for what it's worth.
> Lenona.
>
>
> http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/chi-0816askamyaug16,0,1353428.column
>
> Dear Amy: Yesterday we went to the home of a friend for dinner. There
> were 25 guests.
>
> My wife and I brought a moderately priced bottle of wine.
>
> Following dinner and before dessert, an announcement was made by the
> host that a collection of money was being made to defray the costs. My
> wife and I were appalled by this as the host is by no means in need of
> money.
>
> We have invited this person to our home several times in the past and
> would never think of assessing our guests for anything. Should we have
> contributed? How would one politely refuse? We have decided never to
> attend any future functions by this host. Your thoughts?
>
> -- Stunned by the Host
>
> Dear Stunned: I would have thought this unbelievable, but a similar
> thing happened to me recently. Now I wonder if this is an unfortunate
> trend.
>
> I don't think that there is a polite way to refuse to contribute in
> this situation, though one could say, "I'm so sorry, I didn't bring
> any cash with me; do you take Visa?"
>

HAHAHA!!
First I would do an "Upperdeck" in the bathroom. For people not familiar
with the term or practice, it's taking a shit in the TANK of the toilet. It
works great!
Give them $5 and leave. NEVER return!
Real friends do things for each other without thinking of a "Return" on
their actions. The people that did this are shitbags.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 1:18 pm
From: "Winston Smith, American Patriot"

lenona321@yahoo.com wrote in misc.consumers.frugal-living:

> Enjoy - for what it's worth.
> Lenona.
>
>
> http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/chi-0816askamyaug16,0,1353428.co
> lumn
>
> Dear Amy: Yesterday we went to the home of a friend for dinner. There
> were 25 guests.
>
> My wife and I brought a moderately priced bottle of wine.
>
> Following dinner and before dessert, an announcement was made by the
> host that a collection of money was being made to defray the costs. My
> wife and I were appalled by this as the host is by no means in need of
> money.
>
> We have invited this person to our home several times in the past and
> would never think of assessing our guests for anything. Should we have
> contributed? How would one politely refuse? We have decided never to
> attend any future functions by this host. Your thoughts?
>
> -- Stunned by the Host
>
> Dear Stunned: I would have thought this unbelievable, but a similar
> thing happened to me recently. Now I wonder if this is an unfortunate
> trend.
>
> I don't think that there is a polite way to refuse to contribute in
> this situation, though one could say, "I'm so sorry, I didn't bring
> any cash with me; do you take Visa?"
>

It would have been acceptable if an announcement had been made in the
invitation that contributions to defray costs would be requested.

But to spring it on the guests like that is completely beyond the bounds
of even bad etiquette.

I just returned to the United States after more than a dozen years abroad,
living in a place where there are still Old World manners. Absolutely NO
person in his right mind would have asked for a dime from me.

In fact, I even invited people to lunch, and when it was time for me to
pay, they insisted on paying for the both of us, saying that I was a
"guest" because I was a foreigner. I finally convinced them that it was
right for me to pay, and largely on the reason that I was no longer a
"guest" there after several years of living there, but the generosity of
these people are astounding.

Now that I am back in the U.S., I am singularly unimpressed with the
changes I have seen here. Aside from the complete decline in the quality
of products and of customer service of many businesses, I see a kind of
rude self-centeredness in this Generation X---or is it Generation W?----
that is certainly appalling. People you thought you knew well turn out to
disappoint you deeply. There is a total indifference to personal or
professional responsibility, and I wonder if it doesn't reflect a person's
decision that if the people who lead this government can be completely
unaccountable for their actions and indifferent to their own
responsibilities, then why should the common man?

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 1:41 pm
From: freeisbest

On Aug 16, 4:18 pm, "Winston Smith, American Patriot"
<FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
> lenona...@yahoo.com wrote in misc.consumers.frugal-living:
>
> > Enjoy - for what it's worth.
> > Lenona.
>
> >http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/chi-0816askamyaug16,0,1353428.co
> > lumn
>
> > Dear Amy: Yesterday we went to the home of a friend for dinner. There
> > were 25 guests.
>
> > My wife and I brought a moderately priced bottle of wine.
>
> > Following dinner and before dessert, an announcement was made by the
> > host that a collection of money was being made to defray the costs. My
> > wife and I were appalled by this as the host is by no means in need of
> > money.
>
> > We have invited this person to our home several times in the past and
> > would never think of assessing our guests for anything. Should we have
> > contributed? How would one politely refuse? We have decided never to
> > attend any future functions by this host. Your thoughts?
>
> > -- Stunned by the Host
>
> > Dear Stunned: I would have thought this unbelievable, but a similar
> > thing happened to me recently. Now I wonder if this is an unfortunate
> > trend.
>
> > I don't think that there is a polite way to refuse to contribute in
> > this situation, though one could say, "I'm so sorry, I didn't bring
> > any cash with me; do you take Visa?"
>
> It would have been acceptable if an announcement had been made in the
> invitation that contributions to defray costs would be requested.
>
> But to spring it on the guests like that is completely beyond the bounds
> of even bad etiquette.
>
> I just returned to the United States after more than a dozen years abroad,
> living in a place where there are still Old World manners. Absolutely NO
> person in his right mind would have asked for a dime from me.
>
> In fact, I even invited people to lunch, and when it was time for me to
> pay, they insisted on paying for the both of us, saying that I was a
> "guest" because I was a foreigner. I finally convinced them that it was
> right for me to pay, and largely on the reason that I was no longer a
> "guest" there after several years of living there, but the generosity of
> these people are astounding.
>
> Now that I am back in the U.S., I am singularly unimpressed with the
> changes I have seen here. Aside from the complete decline in the quality
> of products and of customer service of many businesses, I see a kind of
> rude self-centeredness in this Generation X---or is it Generation W?----
> that is certainly appalling. People you thought you knew well turn out to
> disappoint you deeply. There is a total indifference to personal or
> professional responsibility, and I wonder if it doesn't reflect a person's
> decision that if the people who lead this government can be completely
> unaccountable for their actions and indifferent to their own
> responsibilities, then why should the common man?

I'm sorry to have to agree with you. Even a couple of weeks in
any of the European nations is enough to shows that this country has
been Walmartized.
The mannerless arrogance that is starting to be our most
noticeable national trait, does suggest that young people think our
Nuculer president is a strong argument against real work, sobriety,
willingness to defend this country in time of war, willingness to
defend the Constitution, and mental effort.
As for the people who treated dinner guests as if they were
customers in a restaurant... the best way to deal with them is to
simply to tell this story to one other person in that social group.
Not gossip, or complaint, mind you. Just a simple statement should
make it clear to other prospective guests what the terms of their
invitation are likely to be.

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TOPIC: Nesessities Versus Luxuries...
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/087b5c644b866e74?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 11:33 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Anthony Matonak <anthonym40@nothing.like.socal.rr.com> wrote:
> Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG wrote:
>> http://pewresearch.org/pubs/323/luxury-or-necessity
> ...
>> As Americans navigate increasingly crowded lives, the number of
>> things they say they can't live without has multiplied in the
>> past decade, according to a new Pew Research Center survey that
>> asks whether a broad array of everyday consumer products are
>> luxuries or necessities.
> ...
>>
>> My ideas...
>>
>> With the age/entertainment stats... Older people may view a
>> television set as being a "necessity" because they are retired,
>> and feel a "need" to kill time.
>
> I don't know about the killing time thing. I think it's more
> likely a lifestyle issue and folks can see TV and newspapers
> as means to keep informed.
>
> For instance, TV is one method to learn if more earthquakes are
> expected in your area or if you need to evacuate. They'll often
> broadcast if something bad is headed your way, fires, floods,
> hurricanes, mudslides, tornadoes or white ford broncos.
>
>> Also, the age skew is to be expected. If you were forty years
>> old before something was available to you, then it may look like
>> a "luxury." OTOH, if that product/service was available since
>> you were a kid, that makes it look more basic - like a "need."
>
> Again, probably a lifestyle thing. If you are retired and stay
> at home then you might not need a car but if you work and there
> is no public transit then you do.
>
> Cell phones used to be a luxury but with the demise of pay phones
> it's become much more of a necessity.
>
>> And, there can be some other, general snobbery. Like someone
>> (even a poor person) saying, "I am really high-class, because I
>> appreciate the finer things in life. Thus, my dishwasher, etc,
>> is a necessity for a high-class person like me." Just to pump
>> him/herself up.
>
> Modern appliances often save time. If you are a working stiff
> then time is not something you have to waste. The higher your
> income, the more time means more than money and the more saving
> time becomes a necessity.

Those arent necessitys, they're a convenience.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 12:11 pm
From: rick++

Isnt it a luxury f it costs a noticeable amount of money?
You can get a serviceable color TV for less than $100,
a microwave for $30.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 12:55 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

rick++ <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Isnt it a luxury f it costs a noticeable amount of money?

Nope.

> You can get a serviceable color TV for less than $100,
> a microwave for $30.

Doesnt mean that either is a necessity.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 1:37 pm
From: ranck@vt.edu

In misc.consumers.frugal-living Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> rick++ <rick303@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > Isnt it a luxury f it costs a noticeable amount of money?

> Nope.

> > You can get a serviceable color TV for less than $100,
> > a microwave for $30.

> Doesnt mean that either is a necessity.

It's a false dichotomy. Some things might be neither
a necessity nor a luxury. A radio or TV is hardly a
necessity, but they really aren't luxuries if you buy
the inexpensive sort. That is not to imply expensive
is the defining character of luxury, though it's easy to
make that mistake.

Bill Ranck
Blacksburg, Va.

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TOPIC: Rod Speed
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 11:38 am
From: "Rod Speed"

TwoAllBeefPatties <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Get gold now!

I dont panic like that.

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TOPIC: 13 BILLION to Egypt, 30 BILLION to Israel
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1430e1216ce44f5a?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 11:41 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Bill <bill190nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is OUR money they are giving away folks!
>
> The U.S. is giving Egypt 13 BILLION dollars and Israel 30 BILLION
> dollars in aid!
>
> And how much more to all the other foreign countries?
>
> What is the total?
>
> Why don't we stop giving OUR money away to other countries and use it
> here where it is needed?

> Our bridges are falling apart

Just because someone fucked up, not due to what was spend on aid.

> and people are losing their homes.

Only the fools that borrowed stupidly.

> (But "THEY" apparently do not see this as being very important???)

Or they realise that stopping that aid wont change those two.

> Charity begins at HOME!

Usual mindless line.

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 11:51 am
From: z

On Aug 16, 7:51 am, "Bill" <bill190nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> This is OUR money they are giving away folks!
>
> The U.S. is giving Egypt 13 BILLION dollars and Israel 30 BILLION dollars in
> aid!
>
> And how much more to all the other foreign countries?
>
> What is the total?
>
> Why don't we stop giving OUR money away to other countries and use it here
> where it is needed?
>
> Our bridges are falling apart and people are losing their homes. (But "THEY"
> apparently do not see this as being very important???)
>
> Charity begins at HOME!
>
> Your elected representatives....http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
>
> Story...www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3431704,00.html

Yeah, the only thing stopping us from living in Heaven on Earth is
that we are spending 0.1% of our GDP (http://www.commondreams.org/
views/100100-102.htm) on foreign aid, pretty much the lowest
percentage of any first world nation. Odd that the countries who give
higher percentages than we do still manage not to have bridges
falling apart and homeless people on the street, despite having lower
GDP per capita to begin with. Couldn't be that that damn socialism of
theirs which leads them to value people's lives more than dollars even
extends to lives of foreign people, could it?

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 12:25 pm
From: Dennis

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:51:55 -0700, z <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote:

>On Aug 16, 7:51 am, "Bill" <bill190nos...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> This is OUR money they are giving away folks!
>>
>> The U.S. is giving Egypt 13 BILLION dollars and Israel 30 BILLION dollars in
>> aid!
>>
>> And how much more to all the other foreign countries?
>>
>> What is the total?
>>
>> Why don't we stop giving OUR money away to other countries and use it here
>> where it is needed?
>>
>> Our bridges are falling apart and people are losing their homes. (But "THEY"
>> apparently do not see this as being very important???)
>>
>> Charity begins at HOME!
>>
>> Your elected representatives....http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
>>
>> Story...www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3431704,00.html
>
>Yeah, the only thing stopping us from living in Heaven on Earth is
>that we are spending 0.1% of our GDP (http://www.commondreams.org/
>views/100100-102.htm) on foreign aid, pretty much the lowest
>percentage of any first world nation. Odd that the countries who give
>higher percentages than we do still manage not to have bridges
>falling apart and homeless people on the street, despite having lower
>GDP per capita to begin with. Couldn't be that that damn socialism of
>theirs which leads them to value people's lives more than dollars even
>extends to lives of foreign people, could it?

So please tell me: why does Israel, a modern first world democracy,
with a reasonably prosperous and diverse economy, and their own modern
military which includes a cache of nukes, need 30 billion dollars a
year in US aid?

Dennis (evil)
--
What the government gives, it must first take.

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TOPIC: hi my frind
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 11:42 am
From:

Hi
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TOPIC: A apartment to rent, Huaqingjiayuan( )-Tsinghua Universty,
Beijing
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 11:47 am
From: "wu.philo@gmail.com"

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TOPIC: Woman is content living in 84-sq. ft. tiny dream home.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 11:58 am
From: z

On Jul 15, 5:29 pm, Useful Info <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Electricity from solar.
> Propane from a small container.
> $10k for the entire house.
> No mortgage...
>
> Wait... no debt? Isn't that un-American? Aren't we all supposed to be
> enslaved to the banks?
>
> See the video athttp://Muvy.org

Ha, she has it soft. When I was kid, we lived 15 people and goats and
sheep and chickens and cows in a 1 square room house with no roof and
no walls and a dirt floor, and we were grateful, I tell you. Our
neighbors had less. And the people down the road lived in a house
where the area was a negative number.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 12:43 pm
From: "Tim Barr"

"z" <gzuckier@snail-mail.net> wrote in message
news:1187290716.925867.104960@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 15, 5:29 pm, Useful Info <useful_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Electricity from solar.
>> Propane from a small container.
>> $10k for the entire house.
>> No mortgage...
>>
>> Wait... no debt? Isn't that un-American? Aren't we all supposed to be
>> enslaved to the banks?
>>
>> See the video athttp://Muvy.org
>
> Ha, she has it soft. When I was kid, we lived 15 people and goats and
> sheep and chickens and cows in a 1 square room house with no roof and
> no walls and a dirt floor, and we were grateful, I tell you. Our
> neighbors had less. And the people down the road lived in a house
> where the area was a negative number.
>
Luxury

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsWd5QC7K5E

Cheers.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 1:20 pm
From: freeisbest

On Aug 12, 7:03 pm, "Paul Thomas" <paulthomas...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "CanopyCo" <Junk74...@aol.com> wrote
>
> > The idea that a person cannot live in less then 1000 sq. ft is funny
>
> Yeah, especially since she can't take a shower.........
>
> As I remember, there's no running water.......
>
> 'splain that one to your girlfriend's mother over dinner.
>
> And I was under the impression that rednecks lived only in the
south.

No, they're everywhere. The south just has the ones who are
*good* at it.
North Carolina, frinstance.

> --
> Paul A. Thomas, CPA
> Athens, Georgia

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 1:50 pm
From: "Paul Thomas, CPA"

"freeisbest" <demeter547opine@yahoo.com> wrote
> On Aug 12, 7:03 pm, "Paul Thomas" <paulthomas...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> "CanopyCo" <Junk74...@aol.com> wrote
>>
>> > The idea that a person cannot live in less then 1000 sq. ft is funny
>>
>> Yeah, especially since she can't take a shower.........
>>
>> As I remember, there's no running water.......
>>
>> 'splain that one to your girlfriend's mother over dinner.
>>
> > And I was under the impression that rednecks lived only in the
> south.
>
> No, they're everywhere. The south just has the ones who are
> *good* at it.
> North Carolina, frinstance.

I hear ya. Why build a building in the first place when their couch is much
softer.

--
Two Reasons Why It's So Hard To Solve A Redneck Murder:
1. All the DNA is the same.
2. There are no dental records.
--------------------------
Paul A. Thomas, CPA
Athens, Georgia

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TOPIC: How often do you take the family out to dinner?
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 12:11 pm
From: skarkada@gmail.com

Frugality aside, for health benefits sake, we eat out about once a
week. We don't cook at home everyday, but may be twice a week. We
still have to do dishes everyday... it is really lot more work than
eating out.

Let us just estimate the cost of eating out every day. Let us say it
costs about $25 (including the tip) to eat out every night for a
family of four. That is $9,125 per year. If you reduce the number of
trips by half, you would save about $4k. For a busy family (both
working with little children), that is probably a worthy expense in
return of a peaceful evening (especially if the couple doesn't share
the work).

What about the health consequences of eating out everyday? Also,
people that eat out every night are highly likely to eat out lunch
also. I don't think that is good for the health.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 1:04 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

skarkada@gmail.com wrote:

> Frugality aside, for health benefits sake, we eat out about once a week.

That health benefits claim is completely silly.

> We don't cook at home everyday, but may be twice a week. We still
> have to do dishes everyday... it is really lot more work than eating out.

Much cheaper ways of fixing the amount of work involved than eating out.

> Let us just estimate the cost of eating out every day. Let us
> say it costs about $25 (including the tip) to eat out every night
> for a family of four. That is $9,125 per year. If you reduce the
> number of trips by half, you would save about $4k.

And you would say much more than that if you dont eat out at all.

> For a busy family (both working with little children), that is probably a worthy expense
> in return of a peaceful evening (especially if the couple doesn't share the work).

Mindlessly silly. There are much cheaper ways of fixing that problem than eating out.

> What about the health consequences of eating out everyday?

Depends on what you choose to eat out.

> Also, people that eat out every night

Hardly frugal.

> are highly likely to eat out lunch also.

Not necessarily, I dont bother with lunch myself.

> I don't think that is good for the health.

Again, depends entirely on what you choose to eat out.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 1:32 pm
From: "Winston Smith, American Patriot"

skarkada@gmail.com wrote in misc.consumers.frugal-living:

> Frugality aside, for health benefits sake, we eat out about once a
> week. We don't cook at home everyday, but may be twice a week. We
> still have to do dishes everyday... it is really lot more work than
> eating out.
>
> Let us just estimate the cost of eating out every day. Let us say it
> costs about $25 (including the tip) to eat out every night for a
> family of four. That is $9,125 per year. If you reduce the number of
> trips by half, you would save about $4k. For a busy family (both
> working with little children), that is probably a worthy expense in
> return of a peaceful evening (especially if the couple doesn't share
> the work).
>
> What about the health consequences of eating out everyday? Also,
> people that eat out every night are highly likely to eat out lunch
> also. I don't think that is good for the health.

The problem is less of /where/ you eat than /what/ and /when/ you eat.

If you are talking about obesity-is-now-a-crisis U.S.A., then the American
diet is beyond poor. I just repatriated after years abroad in a culture
and society where fresh fruit and vegetables are the main staple, and I
have never felt healthier in my life. It is a well-known fact that
components of fruit and vegetables inhibit metabolic processes (such as
the action of liver cytochrome P450 enzymes) which actually modify
ingested substances to make them more mutagenic/carcinogenic. Americans
do not even begin to eat the amount of fresh fruit and vegetables they
need to. If you go out to eat, and they don't allow you to fill your
plate with uncooked fruit and vegetables, cross that place off your list.
And hold the ranch/french/roquefort: if you need to dress up the taste of
a vegetable mix, the squeeze lemon and pour on a little olive oil, like
the rest of the planet does.

As to when you should eat, if you are over the age of 40, it should be
apparent to you that your biggest meals should be in the morning and just
past mid-afternoon. The evening "meal" should not even come close to
filling your plate unless it is mostly fresh fruit and vegetables, and it
certainly should not be the biggest meal of the day. If you get up from
the table with a I'm-stuffed-to-the-point-of-sickness-or-not-being-able-
to-get-up feeling, you have violated every rule in the healthy eating
book. You should instead feel just-this-side-of-sated feeling, and some
would say you should push away from the table with a slight appetite. Our
mammalian ancestors ate---what? once every 3 or 4 days? No reason for
us to moan about needing 3 loaded meals a day.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 1:50 pm
From: skarkada@gmail.com

Rod and Winston,

I agree with both of you that one could eat at home and still eat
unhealthy. However, I still believe it is hard to influence a child
into what (s)he should order at a restaurant.

Rod, could you please elaborate on your "much cheaper ways?"

Joe, I didn't really mean to hijack your thread and lead into a
discussion of a different topic. Hopefully more people will answer
your particular question.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 1:15 pm
From: Anthony Matonak

ChairMan wrote:
> bearclaw@cruller.invalid <bearclaw@cruller.invalid>spewed forth:
>> In article <1187246044.835640.295640@q4g2000prc.googlegroups.com>,
>> Robert <writer7777@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Not many people hate immigrants.
>> Right.
>> Most just hate the brown and black ones who don't submit.
>
> NO...just the ones that are ILLEGAL regardless of color
> A simple concept you obviously don't understand.

To be fair, the people aren't illegal. They are just law breakers
(criminals) and are in the country illegally.

These days some laws are more socially acceptable to break than
others. Working in another country illegally is commonly about as
acceptable as driving drunk or selling drugs. Everyone seems to
do it and no one seems to care very much.

Anthony

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 1:46 pm
From: freeisbest

On Aug 15, 2:18 am, The Usual Suspect <ludmillia...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Aug 13, 5:27 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I couldn't wait to see this episode featuring one of my favorite
> > haunts, "The .99¢ Only Store". All the designers were given $399 and
> > 99 minutes to shop; the room they were decorating had 3 white walls
> > and a generic Ikea white couch/coffee table. They could also spend
> > part of the $399 on 2 paint colors of their choice. The room only had
> > to have the illusion of style; not necessarily the function.
>
> > some of the designers used chili pods and pinto beans to make "rugs";
> > others used more traditional items like the candle plates and bamboo
> > that store has a gazillion of.
>
> > Myself...I think some were very creative in "repurposing" the items
> > but others could have done more; even if only 2 paint colors you could
> > still buy the following to make colors/dyes:
>
> > Beets, teabags, mustard.
>
> > Anyway...I'm sure it'll be repeated if you're interested.
>
> I loved that episode! It was amazing, the way that those decorators
> came up with creative ways to use that junk! The winner went way over
> the top, though! He deserved to win, since they were told not to
> worry about practicality, but looked like they had slapped him when
> they told him that he was going to have to start doing some realistic
> stuff. He's got the mentality of a 12 year old!
>
> This season, the contestants are doing some great work!
>
> Also, I'm going to dye a stained white outfit with something cheap
and
> natural. But I hate to waste my teabags. Would coffee work?

Depends on the brand of coffee, some of the cheap instants
certainly stain your teeth. But think back to the last food you
stained your clothes with - if you liked the color to begin with,
there you are. For instance, if I didn't have a frontloader washer
and oxygen bleach, I would have a complete spaghetti-sauce-toned
wardrobe, with blueberry and strawberry accents.

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