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TOPIC: Did anyone catch the frugal episode of HGTV's Designstar?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 1:43 am
From: The Usual Suspect

On Aug 16, 5:11 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 16, 2:22 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> freeisbest <demeter547op...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On Aug 15, 2:18 am, The Usual Suspect <ludmillia...@hotmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> On Aug 13, 5:27 pm, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> I couldn't wait to see this episode featuring one of my favorite
> >>>>> haunts, "The .99¢ Only Store". All the designers were given $399
> >>>>> and 99 minutes to shop; the room they were decorating had 3 white
> >>>>> walls and a generic Ikea white couch/coffee table. They could
> >>>>> also spend part of the $399 on 2 paint colors of their choice.
> >>>>> The room only had to have the illusion of style; not necessarily
> >>>>> the function.
>
> >>>>> some of the designers used chili pods and pinto beans to make
> >>>>> "rugs"; others used more traditional items like the candle plates
> >>>>> and bamboo that store has a gazillion of.
>
> >>>>> Myself...I think some were very creative in "repurposing" the
> >>>>> items but others could have done more; even if only 2 paint
> >>>>> colors you could still buy the following to make colors/dyes:
>
> >>>>> Beets, teabags, mustard.
>
> >>>>> Anyway...I'm sure it'll be repeated if you're interested.
>
> >>>> I loved that episode! It was amazing, the way that those
> >>>> decorators came up with creative ways to use that junk! The
> >>>> winner went way over the top, though! He deserved to win, since
> >>>> they were told not to worry about practicality, but looked like
> >>>> they had slapped him when they told him that he was going to have
> >>>> to start doing some realistic stuff. He's got the mentality of a
> >>>> 12 year old!
>
> >>>> This season, the contestants are doing some great work!
>
> >>> > Also, I'm going to dye a stained white outfit with something
> >>> cheap and
> >>> > natural. But I hate to waste my teabags. Would coffee work?
>
> >>> Depends on the brand of coffee, some of the cheap instants
> >>> certainly stain your teeth. But think back to the last food you
> >>> stained your clothes with - if you liked the color to begin with,
> >>> there you are. For instance, if I didn't have a frontloader washer
> >>> and oxygen bleach, I would have a complete spaghetti-sauce-toned
> >>> wardrobe, with blueberry and strawberry accents.
> >> The cheapest dyes would cost a lot less than using any food.
> > Yes...but you see the idea was they had money to buy at the 99¢ Only Store...
>
> Ours have fabric dyes.
>
> > and chances are there were no fabric dyes (but they do have
> > kids watercolors in the stationery area)...but plenty of canned
> > foods/ condiments that would have dyed fabric as well.
>
> Dunno, doubt too many of those are much use as permanent dyes.

Thanks all! I just bought coffee, and yes, I'm going to spring for
some RIT dye! Coffee costs a bundle these days!

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TOPIC: PrinterAnywhere
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 2:37 am
From: Logan Shaw

Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG wrote:
> In article <46c63bb9$0$24124$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, lshaw-
> usenet@austin.rr.com says...
>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately wrote:

>>> Turn the idea around and you can share your printer with anyone. It's ideal
>>> for
>>> sending confidential docs (the file's encrypted when sent) and unlike
>>> e-mail,
>>> it can't be forwarded.

>> If, when they say, "can't be forwarded" what they mean is that it's
>> somewhat harder to forward it, then I'll agree. If they actually
>> mean "can't be forwarded", then they're nuts, and wrong.

> Like pull it out of the printer, put it in a scanner, and forward
> the image embedded in email?

That would work. I was thinking more in the digital realm. The most
obvious thing to do would be to use one of those "print to PDF" pseudo-
printer devices. Another way would be to share a Postscript printer,
then run a network protocol analyzer like Wireshark while your computer
sends the job to the printer. Since Wireshark can reconstruct a TCP
stream and save it to a file, you can just grab the document right off
the network as it goes by. Once you have a Postscript file, it's pretty
easy to convert that to a PDF.

- Logan

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== 1 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 3:01 am
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid

In article <46c7e269$0$16445$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
"ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:

> And just so we're clear, I am a LEGAL immigrant

Let's see if we can change that, eh? Go back where you came from. Get
out of my country now, or I'll write a new law that makes YOUR ass
illegal, and bars your mewling inbred grandchildren from attending ANY
school. How's that sound, you illegal jackass?

== 2 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 3:36 am
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid

In article <46c7e269$0$16445$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
"ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:

> And this has exactly *what* to do with US immigration?

Nothing in this entire thread has had anything "to do with US
immigration". It has been solely about YOU venting YOUR particular brand
of hate, and people like me responding in kind. Don't like it? Then
change the conversation. Start by acknowledging that a Mexican's
presence in this country doesn't make him an "illegal immigrant" any
more than going 5 miles over the speed limit makes you an "illegal
driver". Start by elevating your nomenclature to several degrees above
your current horizon of sub-moron.

Then, maybe. Just maybe we can have a real conversation. Otherwise,
AFAIAC you are nothing more than a swastika-swinging, mean-spirited
racist asshole who deserves every insult, every deprivation, every theft
of dignity his grandchild suffers. Have a nice day.

== 3 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 3:37 am
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid

In article <MPG.2130c652c2b56b6398a8f2@news.individual.net>,
krw <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:

> In article <bearclaw-86EE45.22341117082007@news.supernews.com>,
> bearclaw@cruller.invalid says...
> > In article <MPG.212e654dec774ff298a8e3@news.individual.net>,
> > krw <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
> >
> > > Color doesn't matter.
> >
> > Sure it doesn't. Especially if you are white.
> >
> More absolute tripe from the leftist loser.
>
> --
> Keith

More proof of my judgement of your character. Have a nice day.

== 4 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 4:33 am
From: "Chloe"

<bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message
news:bearclaw-4D467E.05364819082007@news.supernews.com...
> In article <46c7e269$0$16445$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:
>
>> And this has exactly *what* to do with US immigration?
>
> Nothing in this entire thread has had anything "to do with US
> immigration". It has been solely about YOU venting YOUR particular brand
> of hate, and people like me responding in kind. Don't like it? Then
> change the conversation. Start by acknowledging that a Mexican's
> presence in this country doesn't make him an "illegal immigrant" any
> more than going 5 miles over the speed limit makes you an "illegal
> driver". Start by elevating your nomenclature to several degrees above
> your current horizon of sub-moron.
>
> Then, maybe. Just maybe we can have a real conversation. Otherwise,
> AFAIAC you are nothing more than a swastika-swinging, mean-spirited
> racist asshole who deserves every insult, every deprivation, every theft
> of dignity his grandchild suffers. Have a nice day.

Civility usually works best for me if I'm having a discussion with someone I
disagree with. How does it work for you?

== 5 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 6:07 am
From: krw

In article <bearclaw-DD2CBA.05373119082007@news.supernews.com>,
bearclaw@cruller.invalid says...
> In article <MPG.2130c652c2b56b6398a8f2@news.individual.net>,
> krw <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
> > In article <bearclaw-86EE45.22341117082007@news.supernews.com>,
> > bearclaw@cruller.invalid says...
> > > In article <MPG.212e654dec774ff298a8e3@news.individual.net>,
> > > krw <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Color doesn't matter.
> > >
> > > Sure it doesn't. Especially if you are white.
> > >
> > More absolute tripe from the leftist loser.
> >
> > --
> > Keith
>
> More proof of my judgement of your character. Have a nice day.

You're looking in a mirror, loser.

--
Keith

== 6 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 7:52 am
From: krw

In article <46c82a84$0$24097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
justsayno@spam.com says...
> <bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message
> news:bearclaw-4D467E.05364819082007@news.supernews.com...
> > In article <46c7e269$0$16445$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> > "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:
> >
> >> And this has exactly *what* to do with US immigration?
> >
> > Nothing in this entire thread has had anything "to do with US
> > immigration". It has been solely about YOU venting YOUR particular brand
> > of hate, and people like me responding in kind. Don't like it? Then
> > change the conversation. Start by acknowledging that a Mexican's
> > presence in this country doesn't make him an "illegal immigrant" any
> > more than going 5 miles over the speed limit makes you an "illegal
> > driver". Start by elevating your nomenclature to several degrees above
> > your current horizon of sub-moron.
> >
> > Then, maybe. Just maybe we can have a real conversation. Otherwise,
> > AFAIAC you are nothing more than a swastika-swinging, mean-spirited
> > racist asshole who deserves every insult, every deprivation, every theft
> > of dignity his grandchild suffers. Have a nice day.
>
> Civility usually works best for me if I'm having a discussion with someone I
> disagree with. How does it work for you?
>
She's never tried that.

--
Keith

== 7 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 7:52 am
From: krw

In article <bearclaw-7AFBCC.05012019082007@news.supernews.com>,
bearclaw@cruller.invalid says...
> In article <46c7e269$0$16445$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:
>
> > And just so we're clear, I am a LEGAL immigrant
>
> Let's see if we can change that, eh? Go back where you came from. Get
> out of my country now, or I'll write a new law that makes YOUR ass
> illegal, and bars your mewling inbred grandchildren from attending ANY
> school. How's that sound, you illegal jackass?

Too late komrad Bear. He's here, with an invitation.

--
Keith

== 8 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 9:08 am
From: "ChairMan"

In news:46c82a84$0$24097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com,
Chloe <justsayno@spam.com>spewed forth:
> <bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message
> news:bearclaw-4D467E.05364819082007@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <46c7e269$0$16445$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And this has exactly *what* to do with US immigration?
>>
>> Nothing in this entire thread has had anything "to do with US
>> immigration". It has been solely about YOU venting YOUR particular
>> brand of hate, and people like me responding in kind. Don't like it?
>> Then change the conversation. Start by acknowledging that a Mexican's
>> presence in this country doesn't make him an "illegal immigrant" any
>> more than going 5 miles over the speed limit makes you an "illegal
>> driver". Start by elevating your nomenclature to several degrees
>> above your current horizon of sub-moron.
>>
>> Then, maybe. Just maybe we can have a real conversation. Otherwise,
>> AFAIAC you are nothing more than a swastika-swinging, mean-spirited
>> racist asshole who deserves every insult, every deprivation, every
>> theft of dignity his grandchild suffers. Have a nice day.
>
> Civility usually works best for me if I'm having a discussion with
> someone I disagree with. How does it work for you?

It doesn't.
It's obvious that unless you agree with him/her, it can't have a discussion,
just personal attacks with nothing to support its claim.
Very typical

== 9 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 9:08 am
From: "ChairMan"

In news:bearclaw-4D467E.05364819082007@news.supernews.com,
bearclaw@cruller.invalid <bearclaw@cruller.invalid>spewed forth:
> In article <46c7e269$0$16445$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:
>
>> And this has exactly *what* to do with US immigration?
>
> Nothing in this entire thread has had anything "to do with US
> immigration". It has been solely about YOU venting YOUR particular
> brand of hate, and people like me responding in kind. Don't like it?
> Then change the conversation. Start by acknowledging that a Mexican's
> presence in this country doesn't make him an "illegal immigrant" any
> more than going 5 miles over the speed limit makes you an "illegal
> driver". >
> Then, maybe. Just maybe we can have a real conversation. Otherwise,
> AFAIAC you are nothing more than a swastika-swinging, mean-spirited
> racist asshole who deserves every insult, every deprivation, every
> theft of dignity his grandchild suffers. Have a nice day.

Hey dumbass, you started this thread and I quote
"Representing those who spew hate for immigrants, other poor people,
liberals, Democrats and feminazis"
And I showed you a study that illustrates that their ILLEGAL actions create
even more POOR people along with many other facts that you can't seem to
dispute.
I find it amusing that self righteous assholes like yourself, spew the most
hate of all. And when you have nothing to defend your opinion you go
directly to the racist card. Gee, I guess I hate myself based on your stupid
opinion. I'll turn myself into INS tommorrow
*You* might not want to acknowledge the the FACT that they are illegal
immigrants, but you are the minority.
Given the fact that any gvmt office including the INS refers to them as
ILLEGAL as well as the majority of Americans, I think it's clear who's
wrong.
You want to dance around the fact and make it PC and make the illegals feel
good, then go ahead. I'll send them all to your house.
The rest of us will continue to respect the laws of this great country and
protect them from people like you that want to destroy them.
Unlike your self righteous undeserving self, I *chose* to become a legal
American and abide by the immigration laws of this country.
To bad we can't revoke citizenship from those who don't respect or
understand what a great country this is.

== 10 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 9:08 am
From: "ChairMan"

In news:bearclaw-7AFBCC.05012019082007@news.supernews.com,
bearclaw@cruller.invalid <bearclaw@cruller.invalid>spewed forth:
> In article <46c7e269$0$16445$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:
>
>> And just so we're clear, I am a LEGAL immigrant
>
> Let's see if we can change that, eh? Go back where you came from. Get
> out of my country now, or I'll write a new law that makes YOUR ass
> illegal, and bars your mewling inbred grandchildren from attending ANY
> school. How's that sound, you illegal jackass?

Can't dispute the facts can ya, so you snip them and your bigoted ass goes
for personal attacks.
Quite typical of someone that has no clue what ILLEGAL immigration can and
will do to a country.
I think it's real clear who the racist fuckwit is here. Would you like a
mirror?

== 11 of 11 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 10:06 am
From: "SpammersDie"

"Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com> wrote in message
news:46c82a84$0$24097$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> <bearclaw@cruller.invalid> wrote in message
> news:bearclaw-4D467E.05364819082007@news.supernews.com...
>> In article <46c7e269$0$16445$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com>,
>> "ChairMan" <why4@fu.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And this has exactly *what* to do with US immigration?
>>
>> Nothing in this entire thread has had anything "to do with US
>> immigration". It has been solely about YOU venting YOUR particular brand
>> of hate, and people like me responding in kind. Don't like it? Then
>> change the conversation. Start by acknowledging that a Mexican's
>> presence in this country doesn't make him an "illegal immigrant" any
>> more than going 5 miles over the speed limit makes you an "illegal
>> driver". Start by elevating your nomenclature to several degrees above
>> your current horizon of sub-moron.
>>
>> Then, maybe. Just maybe we can have a real conversation. Otherwise,
>> AFAIAC you are nothing more than a swastika-swinging, mean-spirited
>> racist asshole who deserves every insult, every deprivation, every theft
>> of dignity his grandchild suffers. Have a nice day.
>
> Civility usually works best for me if I'm having a discussion with someone
> I disagree with. How does it work for you?

"Discussion?"

More like an ongoing public tantrum.

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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 6:07 am
From: clams casino

teleflora wrote:

>"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
>news:GBMxi.14011$Zk5.5503@newsfe23.lga...
>
>
>>teleflora wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I'm addicted to their beds and pillows. And I've never stayed at a
>>>quieter hotel. Couldn't even hear doors slamming up and down the hall
>>>that I usually hear.
>>>
>>>Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Guess they've improved since I stopped staying at Hamptons - perhaps 10
>>years ago. Back then, I found them to be almost as noisy as Fairfield
>>Inns.
>>
>>
>>
>
>They have improved. I was stunned. Like you, I stopped using Hampton years
>ago. I was at a conference and that was the hotel. I was apprehensive. It
>was great. I've been staying at Hampton ever since.
>
>But I should maybe give HI Express a try. Quiet is most important to me.
>
>Cindy
>
>
>
>
Unfortunately, not all HI Expresses are created equal. Some are
outstanding with most above average, but I've stayed at a few that were
only fair. I find most, however, to be better than a typical HI.

An example of an excellent one is near Dullas airport. I've stayed
there several times - very quiet, clean and outstanding / comfortable
bedding with an above average breakfast bar.

Oddly, their rates vary quite significantly. They can be as high as
$150/ night and frequently sell out early, but I've stayed there as low
as $78 (excellent for that area) - apparently their rates depend greatly
on their occupancy rate.

If it wasn't for Paris, I might be tempted to retry a Hilton product
(they do seem to be more consistent than other chains), but it will
likely be a while.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 6:18 am
From: Goomba38

teleflora wrote:

> I hate, hate, HATE Embassy Suites on weekends. Kids running endlessly up
> and down the halls screeching all night long. A maid told us it had become
> popular to hold birthday/slumber parties as ES.
>
> I've become addicted to Hampton Inns. They are the quietest hotels I've
> stayed in.
>
> Cindy
>
But admit it- the breakfast and happy hour can't be beat, eh!?
I've got enough Hilton Honors points that the last time I stayed there
(Crystal City, VA) they put me on the Executive Floor. Very nice and
quiet as well as high up, the way I like it.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 8:22 am
From: Parallax

The Henchman wrote:
> "clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
> news:NgHxi.13986$Zk5.5053@newsfe23.lga...
>> Chloe wrote:
>>
>> On the other hand I'll never do any business with Days Inn, Sheraton,
>> Radison, GM, Firestone/Bridgestone, Bestbuy or Uniroyal due to
>> exceptionally POOR service.
>
> To take away from the HOTEL thread for a post...
>
> I've had nothing but good cars and great service from GM. I've owned 4 GM
> vehicles. A 2001 Saturn Sl1, A 1996 Pontiac Sunfire, a 1993 Chevy Cavalier
> and an 1989 Pontiac Tempest.
>
> In each case I have purchase from a GM dealer (3 year old used although the
> Sunfire might have been only 2 years old). I don't recall any of these
> dealers putting in ticky-tack fees on my invoice.
>
> Maybe I'm lucky.
>

Maybe you are. I will never buy another car from GM again. My problem
has less to with the local shops than it does with the main company. I
bought an Alero that had known problems with the rotors warping which
should have been a recall but wasn't. More importantly, I was one of
thousands of GM owners who had to have expensive work done to replace
the gaskets on the intake manifold for a problem that GM knew about
before the cars ever left their plants. Just do a Google search on
'dexcool' for the details.

Replace '???????' with 'hotmail' to e-mail me.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 10:06 am
From: "teleflora"

> If it wasn't for Paris, I might be tempted to retry a Hilton product (they
> do seem to be more consistent than other chains), but it will likely be a
> while.

I guess there's no point in saying that she's living on money her
grandfather made... about 100 years ago. The money we spend there, might be
what HER grandchildren live on and hey, maybe one of them could be a rocket
scientist.

It could happen.

Cindy

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 7:19 am
From: TwoAllBeefPatties

Sell gold now!

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 7:20 am
From: A Veteran

a white roof , a coupla Wind turbines , soffit vents. insulation
maybe a deciduous tree for shade.
We love the swamp cooler and ceiling fans.
Good luck!
I'm cool .

--
when you believe the only tool you have is a hammer.
All problems look like nails.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 8:02 am
From: "gabriele001@gmail.com"

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TOPIC: MI5 Persecution: Fitted up 26/4/96 (153)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 9:25 am
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk

Subject: Re: MI5? Please can someone explain what's going on here?
Newsgroups: uk.misc
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David Stretch (dds@leicester.ac.uk) wrote:
: In article <19960418.000817.55@hotch.hotch.demon.co.uk>,
: Iain L M Hotchkies <iain@hotch.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: >The (remote) possibility remains that 'Mike Corley' is either
: >not schizophrenic (but is 'pretending' to be so) or 'he' is
: >a product of a number of persons (?psychology students).

: Given other ways in which I have seen people exploit some of The Internet's
: capabilities to disrupt or indulge in sophistry, or to exploit a medium
: that resembles speech without the non-verbal and intonation cues, etc
: as a means of denigrating others, I question your use, albeit in quotes,
: of the word "remote". I'm not saying it isn't remote and therefore it is
: great, I'm just saying that I don't think we can easily classify it as
: remote, moderate, or great.

I think you can build up quite a good picture based on what someone says
and on their posting patterns. I don't think "The Internet" (capitals, no
less) is as opaque a medium as you make it out to be.

: It is not easy to determine the validity of all information on The
: Internet without making use of extra supplementary information.

: We do have the problem, pointed out by someone else, of the possibly
: "too perfect" textbook characteristics of what is being posted.

I explained that one, but I don't mind explaining it again (you don't
mind having it explained again to you, do you now?). The reason my
"symptoms" are such a perfect fit to the textbook is because the people
causing the campaign "fitted me up" in such a way that what they did
would resemble the symptoms of schizophrenia. Hence TV, radio, other
media, people in the streets etc. By a fortunate coincidence (for them)
these mthods of harassment are the ones which offer easiest channels of
access (for them).

It's really quite neat. All it takes is for people to start believing
that the "symptoms" aren't symptoms but reality, though, and the house of
cards collapses in a heap. And there are _lots_ of people now who knoiw
full well what has gone on.

: If harrassment by email, etc, has happened by someone out of the country,
: can a complaint be made that results in arrest or whatever upon that
: person's entry into the country? An interesting point which Mike may be
: able to inform us about, as he's said he will be in the UK in a few weeks
: time.

Picture the scene at the airport;
"I arrest you for being Mike Corley and mailbombing people"

"But my name isn't Corley. Who he? Mailbombing isn't illegal is it? You'd
have to lock up a lot of people if sending annoying email was a crime"

"Er....."

: --
: David Stretch: Greenwood Institute of Child Health, Univ. of Leicester, UK.
: dds@leicester.ac.uk Phone:+44 (0)116-254-6100 Fax:+44 (0)116-254-4127
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: context-free parts of articles, conversations and things-on-the-TV and
: assume they are meant for you. Mike, this is called paranoia.

But that's the way real abuse works, too. People interject words and
phrases into what they say which they know will have meaning for the listener.

And sometimes, they make it obvious. The very first evening of my job in
Oxford, we went for a drink with the technical director, and a couple
of other employees. The TD said in an "as-if" aside to one of the others,
"Is this the bloke who's been on TV?" (he said it directly in front of
me, and obviously meant mke to hear him saying it). The other person
replied, "Yes, I think so".

I think the subtext of what the TD said was "Why are they bothering with
him? He's so insignificant, why would they possibly want to spend the
resources going after him and putting all that expensive technology in
his home, when there must be much better targets?". The Technical
Director was given to sometimes disrespecting people, you see, and in my
case he couldn't see the point of anyone expending money on harassing me.

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Illtud Daniel (idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk) wrote:
: Probably 'cos you come across as reasoned & articulate, it's a pity
: about the other stuff :)

Veracity is so unreasonable.

: >>pps. You should still see a doc again Mike.
: >
: >Doing so. Trouble is, all this mental-illness stuff provides camouflage
: >for the harassment, which is real. It alows people who otherwise would
: >consider the harassment seriously to disregard it. It makes conversations
: >with a lawyer or police brief when otherwise it would merit discussion.

: The point is that there are two possibilities happening here-

: 1. There's a large conspiracy of people out to get you, for no
: other reason than that they have the means to do so, and that
: it involves a lot of the Media & a proportion of the public

: 2. You (who admit to having some headspace problems) are suffering
: from acute paranoid schizophrenia.

: Possibility #1 is _possible_, but would be unprecendented (OTOH,
: how would we know?), unfeasible, and many other things beginning
: with _un_ which I can't think of at the moment. Besides, if there
: was something going on, chances are some of us here would know
: about it, and I'm convinced that nobody does.

"Unprecedented" hits the nail on the head. It _is_ unprecedented, but we
have only just reached the technical stage at which it is feasible, and
we know video-spying is done to other people (NB the Diana-Hewitt
episode) and is a routine tool of security agencies.

Perhaps what is unprecedented is not the technical side, but the social
manipulation of many people by a concealed element in what other
countries would be called the secret police. The most disturbing element
is the degree to which people allow themselves to be unquestioningly
manipulated by an evil element within the state.

153

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TOPIC: MI5 Persecution: Bernard Levin 1/6/96 (1376)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 19 2007 10:07 am
From: MI5Victim@mi5.gov.uk

Subject: Re: "FANATIC'S FARE FOR THE COMMON MAN"
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Peter Ceresole (peter@cara.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <Ds0L1o.BMF.0.bloor@torfree.net>,
: bu765@torfree.net (Mike Corley) quoted a typical, overblown Bernard Levin
: piece, which sounds exactly like any number of other pieces by Levin over
: the past thirty years.

: He then goes on to draw an anguished parallel with a totally unrelated
: incident that had happened between him and a friend a few days earlier.

It is in the same style as his other pieces, but it's so close to what
actually happened a few days previously, that it's completely reasonable
to assume that someone told Levin about the meeting, hammed it up a
little bit and motivated him to write that article.

Look at the parallels;

1. "madman running loose about London"

2. it's about a meeting which took place recently

3. the police are called (he must be controlled, however much that
consumes in resources)

4. he might be violent, approach with caution, yes we're laughing but
really we're afraid of him, or is it perhaps our own propaganda that
we're letting manipulate us

5. he "bursts into tears, and swears it's all true - and it is" a very
exaggerated impression of the conclusion of that meeting

Don't worry if you don't believe me, neither my friend to whom I
explained this nor my GP believe me either (until the friend found out
otherwise!). If someone just presented this to you as I am presenting it
now then I wouldn't find it credible (most likely), so it's not until you
actually find out it's true that you can find it credible. And by then
it's too late, because they've got you in their trap and explained how
"funny" the abuse is.

1376

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