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TOPIC: "Me" generation marriages..
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 12:14 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article
<1187203380.943838.114740@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
demeter547opine@yahoo.com says...
> On Aug 15, 11:11 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> > "Bill" <bill190nos...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> -snip-
> > > When I was that age, it was "our" money. "We" paid for this that and the
> > > other thing. One checking account in "our" names. "We" would decide to buy
> > > or not buy something for "us".

> > > My parents were the same way as well as all the other families I knew
> > > growing up.

> Yes, that's the way it's done in an actual marriage.

> > i'm 50, married almost 31yrs. it's always been "our" money. i
> think that
> > the no fault divorce laws may be at the root of it. who wants to get
> > financially tangled up when the spouse can say "bye" anytime? women
> > especially. i think if i should ever remarry, that may be the way
> i'd go, as well.

> I like it, 31 years, at the age of 50! We did that too - got
> married then grew up together. :)
> We're 67, married 41 years. It has always been 'our' money.
> During the difficult early years, knowing that we were in it together
> always helped, when dread and dismay would set in every third week,
> the week before the monthly paycheck came in. No question that it
> would have been an easier, pleasanter life for us all if there had
> been enough money. But at least we didn't nickel-and-dime each other,
> or treat each other like roommates.
> I really can't blame them for not trusting each other, but I feel
> deeply sorry for these poor distrustful young people. Must be very
> hard to live with someone who considers you just one "option" among
> many.

Well, it REALLY sucks to have some dork frantically clinging to
you. Because s/he is such a loser that s/he cannot find other
"options" for relationships. Because s/he has nothing positive
to offer, and lots of negative.

When someone views you as their ONLY possible "option," that
means that s/he is a desperate parasite.

Which is radically different to a cool person who chooses to be
with you (over other "options") because s/he genuinely likes you.

Plenty of people act in the same desperate way in platonic
"friendships," too.

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== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 12:16 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <NyIwi.939$Vd.551@trndny02>, derjda@hotmail.com
says...
>
> "freeisbest" <demeter547opine@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1187203380.943838.114740@a39g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> > On Aug 15, 11:11 am, "AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <der...@hotmail.com>

> > I like it, 31 years, at the age of 50! We did that too - got
> > married then grew up together. :)
>
> yeah, we knew each other 2.5 months when we married. he, of course,
> suggested that we live together (it WAS the 70's), but i suggested we get
> married. :) so we also got to know each other while married. i lucked
> out.
> can't speak for him, especially now that menopause has hit. I hold the
> 0-shit
> speed record, i'm sure. poor guy =(:-o)

> > We're 67, married 41 years. It has always been 'our' money.
> > During the difficult early years, knowing that we were in it together
> > always helped, when dread and dismay would set in every third week,
> > the week before the monthly paycheck came in. No question that it
> > would have been an easier, pleasanter life for us all if there had
> > been enough money. But at least we didn't nickel-and-dime each other,
> > or treat each other like roommates.
> > I really can't blame them for not trusting each other, but I feel
> > deeply sorry for these poor distrustful young people. Must be very
> > hard to live with someone who considers you just one "option" among
> > many.

> which is why there's a good chance i won't marry again. i'd need a long
> (years) celibate courtship to trust the men of today, and there aren't too
> many men out there that would stand for that in this day and age.

And there are also plenty of women who would refuse a similar,
"No, I won't give you any money or presents" restriction for that
same extended period.

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== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 12:32 am
From: Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG

In article <46c3a7f0$0$31862$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, lshaw-
usenet@austin.rr.com says...
> Rudy Canoza wrote:
> > Bill wrote:
>
> >> They say those in their 20's are the "me" generation. (Very selfish,
> >> only think about themselves, etc.) [snip remainder of big steaming
> >> load...]

> > Well, that's funny - that's what people in their 40s and up were saying
> > about people in their 20s back in the 1970s when I was in my 20s.

> Funny, when I saw the words "'me' generation", those are the exact numbers
> I thought of -- people who were in their 20's in the 1970's.

"Those gawsh-darn, selfish, arrogant, moronic young people...
They are the 'me' generation. The little whippersnappers don't
know anything about life."

Yep, the non-young folks have been saying that for a long time.

Back on some grass plain in Ethiopia, a quarter million years
ago... Our proto-human ancestors said those very same words.

And, well, I sometimes find myself saying that, too.

It just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling of universal human
closeness to think about that.

Except that I don't feel any closeness to those snot-nosed
little "Generation Y" brats.

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== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 4:32 am
From: "NapalmHeart"

"Steve Cothran" <fake@fake.com> wrote in message
news:kqb6c319h6d6cjcrp3gjkjtodoq09jf49k@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2007 10:36:38 -0400, "Chloe" <justsayno@spam.com>
> wrote:
>
> Some degree of division seems to
>>make sense especially for 20-somethings, particularly with the relative
>>popularity of "starter" marriages nowadays.
>>
>
> I submit that this division is one of the reasons for the "starter
> marriage".
>
> All or nothing. Partners or not. Easy Question.

We are 48 and 44, husband and wife, respectively. We have 1 checking
account and the money is ours. Very little is considered to belong to
either one of us as individuals. 21 years married and no doubt we will grow
old together.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 6:54 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

<Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in message
news:MPG.212eeb3cfc67948d989ccb@nntp.aioe.org...
> In article <NyIwi.939$Vd.551@trndny02>, derjda@hotmail.com
> says...
snip
>> which is why there's a good chance i won't marry again. i'd need a long
>> (years) celibate courtship to trust the men of today, and there aren't
>> too
>> many men out there that would stand for that in this day and age.
>
>
> And there are also plenty of women who would refuse a similar,
> "No, I won't give you any money or presents" restriction for that
> same extended period.
>
are you saying sex is bought with presents/presents are received for sex?
not me. the only day my husband has to acknowledge is our wedding
anniversary, and it can be just verbal. no requirement for presents ever,
not bd, xmas, valentines, any other day. no cards, flowers, chocolates,
dinners out, nighties, jewelry, etc. is required. i am not for sale.
not
even a big dick can purchase me. ;)

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 6:54 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

<Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in message
news:MPG.212eeb3cfc67948d989ccb@nntp.aioe.org...
> In article <NyIwi.939$Vd.551@trndny02>, derjda@hotmail.com
> says...
>>
snip

>> which is why there's a good chance i won't marry again. i'd need a long
>> (years) celibate courtship to trust the men of today, and there aren't
>> too
>> many men out there that would stand for that in this day and age.
>
> And there are also plenty of women who would refuse a similar,
> "No, I won't give you any money or presents" restriction for that
> same extended period.

i'm not understanding your point.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 6:55 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

<Usenet2007@THE-DOMAIN-IN.SIG> wrote in message
news:MPG.212eeecd9454dd5a989ccc@nntp.aioe.org...
> In article <46c3a7f0$0$31862$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, lshaw-
> usenet@austin.rr.com says...
>> Rudy Canoza wrote:
>> > Bill wrote:
>>
>> >> They say those in their 20's are the "me" generation. (Very selfish,
>> >> only think about themselves, etc.) [snip remainder of big steaming
>> >> load...]
>
>
>> > Well, that's funny - that's what people in their 40s and up were saying
>> > about people in their 20s back in the 1970s when I was in my 20s.
>
>
>> Funny, when I saw the words "'me' generation", those are the exact
>> numbers
>> I thought of -- people who were in their 20's in the 1970's.
>
>
> "Those gawsh-darn, selfish, arrogant, moronic young people...
> They are the 'me' generation. The little whippersnappers don't
> know anything about life."
>
> Yep, the non-young folks have been saying that for a long time.
>
> Back on some grass plain in Ethiopia, a quarter million years
> ago... Our proto-human ancestors said those very same words.
>
> And, well, I sometimes find myself saying that, too.
>
> It just gives me a warm fuzzy feeling of universal human
> closeness to think about that.
>
> Except that I don't feel any closeness to those snot-nosed
> little "Generation Y" brats.

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TOPIC: discovers the western
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ba320266d4f14c7d?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 1:19 am
From: paufe

I am writing to invite you or your company to look carefully at this
proposed project for a Hotel with 100 rooms and equipped with
recreation facilities which include squash, gymnasium, Turkish baths
sauna and full spa facilities.

Alongside this hotel complex will be 200 villas, 118 apartments and a
Club for social and recreational activities - to include indoor and
outdoor swimming pools, tennis courts and restaurants

This whole project will be built at Espartal - a hill between the two
beaches of Arrifana and Amoreira

I am looking for investors who can commit to the start of this project
and have the patience and foresight to see it through to the end. This
is an excellent way to invest in capital projects in Portugal. The
area is an up and coming tourist destination in the Western Algarve.

The nearby beaches of Arrifana and Amoreira are spectacular with the
dramatic western Portuguese coastline as a back drop.The hills are a
maze of tracks to explore.

Espartal also offers a paradise holiday for those who enjoy the
tranquil outdoors for walking, cycling, running, cycling or just
chilling out

I enclose more detailed information for you to study. I shall call you
in the near future to discuss the proposed project further.

Yours sincerely

paulo

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 1:27 am
From: Anthony Matonak

paufe wrote:
> I am writing to invite you or your company to look carefully at this
> proposed project for a Hotel with 100 rooms and equipped with
> recreation facilities which include squash, gymnasium, Turkish baths
> sauna and full spa facilities.

How much to ship it to Los Angeles?

Anthony

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 2:44 am
From: "Rod Speed"

paufe <pfelmar@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am writing to invite you or your company to look carefully
> at this proposed project for a Hotel with 100 rooms and
> equipped with recreation facilities which include squash,
> gymnasium, Turkish baths sauna and full spa facilities.

What happened to the bordello ?

> Alongside this hotel complex will be 200 villas, 118 apartments
> and a Club for social and recreational activities - to include indoor
> and outdoor swimming pools, tennis courts and restaurants

What happened to the bordello ?

> This whole project will be built at Espartal - a hill
> between the two beaches of Arrifana and Amoreira

Soorreee, absolutely guaranteed to be infested with wogs.

> I am looking for investors who can commit to the start of this project
> and have the patience and foresight to see it through to the end.

Understandable, you wogs couldnt organise a pissup in a brewery.

> This is an excellent way to invest in capital projects in Portugal.

Nope, no bordello.

> The area is an up and coming tourist destination in the Western Algarve.

Soorreee, absolutely guaranteed to be infested with wogs.

> The nearby beaches of Arrifana and Amoreira are spectacular
> with the dramatic western Portuguese coastline as a back drop.

Soorreee, absolutely guaranteed to be infested with wogs.

> The hills are a maze of tracks to explore.

Pity about all the wogs.

> Espartal also offers a paradise holiday for those who enjoy the tranquil
> outdoors for walking, cycling, running, cycling or just chilling out

Obvious lie, its too hot to chill out there.

> I enclose more detailed information for you to study.

You lied.

> I shall call you in the near future to discuss the proposed project further.

I'll send the death squad if you do.

> Yours sincerely

> paulo

You wogs always say that.

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TOPIC: "Ask Amy" on hosts who try to shake you down
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 2:26 am
From: nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu

Winston Smith, American Patriot <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:

>I think President Dick Cheney is rather proud of how this nation has
>turned out. Not to mention the up-yours foreign policy that has been
>implemented.

Once in a while, he tells the truth :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY

Nick

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 2:46 am
From: "Rod Speed"

Winston Smith, American Patriot <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> freeisbest <demeter547opine@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Winston Smith, American Patriot <FranzKa...@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote
>>>> lenona...@yahoo.com wrote

>>>>> Enjoy - for what it's worth.
>>>>> Lenona.
>>>>
>>>>> http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/chi-0816askamyaug16,0,1353428
>>>>> .co lumn
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Amy: Yesterday we went to the home of a friend for dinner.
>>>>> There were 25 guests.
>>>>
>>>>> My wife and I brought a moderately priced bottle of wine.
>>>>
>>>>> Following dinner and before dessert, an announcement was made by
>>>>> the host that a collection of money was being made to defray the
>>>>> costs. My wife and I were appalled by this as the host is by no
>>>>> means in need of money.
>>>>
>>>>> We have invited this person to our home several times in the past
>>>>> and would never think of assessing our guests for anything. Should
>>>>> we have contributed? How would one politely refuse? We have
>>>>> decided never to attend any future functions by this host. Your
>>>>> thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>> -- Stunned by the Host
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Stunned: I would have thought this unbelievable, but a
>>>>> similar thing happened to me recently. Now I wonder if this is an
>>>>> unfortunate trend.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't think that there is a polite way to refuse to contribute
>>>>> in this situation, though one could say, "I'm so sorry, I didn't
>>>>> bring any cash with me; do you take Visa?"
>>>>
>>>> It would have been acceptable if an announcement had been made in
>>>> the invitation that contributions to defray costs would be
>>>> requested.
>>>>
>>>> But to spring it on the guests like that is completely beyond the
>>>> bounds of even bad etiquette.
>>>>
>>>> I just returned to the United States after more than a dozen years
>>>> abroad, living in a place where there are still Old World manners.
>>>> Absolutely NO person in his right mind would have asked for a dime
>>>> from me.
>>>>
>>>> In fact, I even invited people to lunch, and when it was time for
>>>> me to pay, they insisted on paying for the both of us, saying that
>>>> I was a "guest" because I was a foreigner. I finally convinced
>>>> them that it was right for me to pay, and largely on the reason
>>>> that I was no longer a "guest" there after several years of living
>>>> there, but the generosity of these people are astounding.
>>>>
>>>> Now that I am back in the U.S., I am singularly unimpressed with
>>>> the changes I have seen here. Aside from the complete decline in
>>>> the quality of products and of customer service of many
>>>> businesses, I see a kind of rude self-centeredness in this
>>>> Generation X---or is it Generation W?---- that is certainly
>>>> appalling. People you thought you knew well turn out to
>>>> disappoint you deeply. There is a total indifference to personal
>>>> or professional responsibility, and I wonder if it doesn't reflect
>>>> a person's decision that if the people who lead this government
>>>> can be completely unaccountable for their actions and indifferent
>>>> to their own responsibilities, then why should the common man?
>>
>>> I'm sorry to have to agree with you. Even a couple of weeks in
>>> any of the European nations is enough to shows that this country has
>>> been Walmartized.
>>
>> You wanna try one of the slums in one of those countrys.
>>
>>> The mannerless arrogance that is starting to be our most
>>> noticeable national trait, does suggest that young people think our
>>> Nuculer president is a strong argument against real work, sobriety,
>>> willingness to defend this country in time of war, willingness to
>>> defend the Constitution, and mental effort.
>>
>> Hasnt got a damned thing to do with the prez.

> I think President Dick Cheney is rather proud of how this nation has turned out.

Who cares ? He's passed his useby date.

> Not to mention the up-yours foreign policy that has been implemented.

See above.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 6:37 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

<nicksanspam@ece.villanova.edu> wrote in message
news:fa3pku$fgo@acadia.ece.villanova.edu...
> Winston Smith, American Patriot <FranzKafka@Oceania.WhiteHouse.GOV> wrote:
>
>>I think President Dick Cheney is rather proud of how this nation has
>>turned out. Not to mention the up-yours foreign policy that has been
>>implemented.
>
> Once in a while, he tells the truth :-)
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YENbElb5-xY
>
> Nick

but is cathy obrien telling the truth about cheney hunting her?

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=cathy+obrien+the+most+dangerous+game

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVY1_w99XwA

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TOPIC: 13 BILLION to Egypt, 30 BILLION to Israel
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/1430e1216ce44f5a?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Aug 16 2007 12:38 pm
From: "Don Phillipson"

"Bill" <bill190nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:5iis2hF3qfjt4U1@mid.individual.net...

> This is OUR money they are giving away folks!
>
> The U.S. is giving Egypt 13 BILLION dollars and Israel 30 BILLION dollars
in
> aid!
>
> And how much more to all the other foreign countries?
>
> What is the total?

If your US Congressman will not tell you you do
not have to vote for him next time.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 7:35 am
From: z

On Aug 16, 3:25 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> So please tell me: why does Israel, a modern first world democracy,
> with a reasonably prosperous and diverse economy, and their own modern
> military which includes a cache of nukes, need 30 billion dollars a
> year in US aid?

Lots of reasons. First, most of that gets plowed back into US military
contractors, so Congress looks on it somewhat differently than if it
were actually wasted on things like food for starving Africans. in
case you haven't noticed, they feel that tossing huge sums of money to
defense contractors is a requirement of "fortress america". And
lobbyists for military contractors with their deep pockets for
political contributions look on it favorably as well.
Some of it is spent on Israeli military contractors, who basically
represent outsourcing of some of the US military contractors' R&D.
US military hardware that goes to Israel undergoes real life testing,
which is better than having your son the soldier discover the hard way
that that new rifle design that worked so well back at Camp Swampy
tends to jam in desert conditions. There was a lot of that back when
the USSR was backing the Arab countries, and the Middle East basically
was just a war games scenario where the US/NATO and the USSR could
test their hardware without much chance of starting WWIII.
Less cynically, expensive things like hightech surveillance of borders
in order to catch infiltrators are generally considered a great
improvement over eliminating the infiltrators by just bombing the
neighboring villages, which a lot of people complain about and
therefore ought to be willing to pay a few pennies to eliminate.
Just a few, off the top of my head.

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TOPIC: Health Benefits of Mushroom
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 4:31 am
From: Philospher

Health Benefits of Mushroom
Mushroom have medicinal properties and help in fighting cancer also.
http://foodone.blogspot.com/2007/08/mushrooms-its-benifits-for-health.html

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TOPIC: How often do you take the family out to dinner?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 5:10 am
From: "Bill"

Once a month or when traveling.

I used to go out more often and this was to get foods I did not know how to
cook. Then I learned to cook these things myself, so no need to go out.

I look at the price of some things in restaurants and think of how far that
same amount of money would go at home. Seems silly to be wasting it. Plus I
do a better job at home with many things. And I can use low cholesterol
cooking oil, etc. when cooking at home.

The only reason to go out now is just for a treat every now and then. Also
to go to a buffet. I'm not going to cook up all that food that a buffet has
so I can have a little of everything!

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TOPIC: Worth buying digital camera 'extended warranty' ?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 7:39 am
From: "OhioGuy"

> Yea, and every year he buys a $100 camera and takes 100 pictures. He ain't
> going to tell us the truth about what it cost himself to complete that
> vacation in the van either.

Pfft! Yeah, right! We have toddlers, and we take at LEAST 100 pictures a
month - more if we travel anywhere or visit relatives. So perhaps 1,500
pictures a year. We save at least $150 a year in photo developing costs
this way, not to mention we get to look at the pictures right away.

Even if it lasts just a year, I still feel like we've gotten our money out
of it. Of course, I wouldn't mind if it lasted 3 years instead.

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TOPIC: Bump on the road to a free iPod
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 6:57 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"Gordon" <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote in message
news:Xns998EE8DEE78AAgreederxprtnet@199.45.49.11...
> Logan Shaw <lshaw-usenet@austin.rr.com> wrote in news:46c3dde8$0$3828
> $4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> That's what's going to happen.
>>> I have a few "starter checks" that Key gave me when I
>>> set up the account. That will take care of the withdrawal.
>>> I'll leave enough in the Key bank account to cover a $100.00
>>> automatic payment.
>>>
>>> But finding a payment of over $100 is
>>> going to be an issue. Let's see: Electric? no. Gas? no.
>>> Phone, internet, cable TV? No, no and no. Cell phone? no.
>>>
>>> Hmm...
>>> I'm starting to see some drawbacks to this frugal lifestyle.
>>
>> Just pick the largest bill and make a payment of $100. You'll
>> have a credit on the account, but you'll eventually use that up.
>>
>> - Logan
>>
>
> It has to be an automatic payment. On-line banking doesn't count.
> It has to be a situation where I tell the power company (say)
> to directly debit the account. I'm thinking that I'll let a
> payment slip, then set up auto bill pay. The first draw will
> be over $100.00

are you sure that they don't report to credit bureaus? i know my heating
company does.

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TOPIC: PrinterAnywhere
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 7:13 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/file/fid,64307/description.html?tk=nl_ddxd

Send files to someone else's printer -- around the corner or around the
world.

Want to print a document directly on a buddy's printer, anywhere in the
world?
If you're both online, you can do it with PrinterAnywhere. The free utility
installs
on both PCs and you can choose the PrinterAnywhere printer from any
application.
An encrypted version shoots through the 'Net and prints on your buddy's
printer.
Turn the idea around and you can share your printer with anyone. It's ideal
for
sending confidential docs (the file's encrypted when sent) and unlike
e-mail,
it can't be forwarded.

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TOPIC: Our $500 1969 van Canadian adventure
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 8:34 am
From: "OhioGuy"

Strangely enough, every post I have made on here lately has had people
responding mentioning off topic comments about another posting I made over a
month ago, regarding whether I should rent a vehicle or buy an old van when
I flew out to Bellingham, Washington.

Just to satisfy people's curiosity, I suppose I should just give you guys
the information you would like.

To refresh your memory, we got those $40 round trip tickets from Columbus,
Ohio to Bellingham, Washington, through Skybus. Originally I had just
assumed we would be renting a car, but when I saw how much the hotels were
up across Canada, I found myself wishing we could camp more. (many places
across Canada, the cheapest hotels are $90 to $100 a night. This is because
they depend a lot on tourist dollars, and tourists are mostly going up there
for just 3-4 months a year) We then considered tent camping, but found that
it was going to be getting down in the low to mid 40's at night, and could
often be rainy where we would be.

So, we settled on a van. Renting a van for the 23 days would have cost us
just over $2,000. However, I found one through Craigslist for $500, which
we would own when we got done with the trip. My wife had been wanting a
second backup vehicle for some time, saying that we needed more room once in
a while. (we have two toddlers), and our main vehicle is an increasingly
small seeming 1996 Buick Century. Lots of folks online told me the trip
would be nothing but a nightmare, and cautioned me against buying the van,
saying renting was the only safe way to go. I hate to rent, and we could
really use the van after the trip, so we bought outright instead.

The trip on the plane went great, and the stewardesses didn't bother us
much at all, unlike what some people claimed would happen. For the most
part, I was left in peace to read my book. The plane wasn't crowded. We
didn't pay for the priority boarding, but since we had toddlers, we got on
early enough that both of our toddlers got window seats, and great views out
the window.

Anyway, when we arrived in Bellingham, we went to our hotel, and the guy
who had advertised the van on Craigslist showed up when he said he would,
with the van. I checked it out in a parking lot, and since it started and
drove well, I gave him the $500 for it.

The van came only with the driver and passenger front seat, so I added
another seat for $80 so that there would be no questions when we went into
Canada. (regarding seatbelts, etc.) I emailed our insurance folks, and had
the van added on to our insurance. Since this was our second vehicle, it
actually somehow caused our rates to decrease on our first vehicle as well.
Now we have coverage on both vehicles for only about 50% more than we were
paying before on just the car. I didn't expect that. Since the van is
equipped for camping, though, and we would mostly use it that way, we may
only drive and insure it during the summers. We haven't made up our minds
on that part yet.

Let's see - we got the van licensed and registered, and title transferred
in Washington, as well as current license plate stickers attached for about
$150. They are good through July of 2008.

Then we started driving. I decided to have the brakes looked at just to
see if they were worn too much to be safe. The guy adjusted the parts,
putting some back properly that hadn't been installed right. He also
regreased the wheel bearings, all for about $70. He said all the brakes had
more than 50% life left on them.

Something happened to the accelerator cable near a fishery we were
visiting, so we had to have it towed to the closest Ford dealership with 24
hour repair bays. The tow would have cost us $200, but we had GM Motor Club
coverage ($39 a year - was a Christmas present from my parents), so it
didn't cost a cent.

The Ford folks found out that it was a very minor problem, which took them
all of a couple of hours to fix. Evidently someone had tried to mess with
the accelerator cable on their own, and had left a piece of wire that poked
out too far and got stuck. I had also noticed that the emergency brake
cable was loose, and they fixed that so that they worked well. Total cost
was $60.

After that, I decided to have the battery changed, which was $70. When I
saw part of the steel belt sticking out on the right front tire, and that
the right side of the right front tire was balding, I got new front tires
for $200. Oh, and I also got an oil change and filter at Wal-Mart, plus new
windshield wipers for about $25. I left the back tires on because they
still had a lot of tread, and looked good.

Oh, I almost forgot - there was also a point during the trip when it
became very difficult to get the van into first gear. (it is a manual
transmission) I squired WD-40 on the shifter (under the front hood) as a
short term fix, but later noticed a grease zerk. I went to a service
station, where they squirted grease in there until we saw it coming out.
That fixed the problem, so now it shifts easily again. Total cost for that
was $10 I spotted them for fixing the trouble.

So, my grand total expense thus far for the 1969 Ford Econoline van is
about $1,170. That's about 55% of what renting a van would have cost for
just 3 weeks. Plus, I could now turn around easily and get my money back
out of it if I wanted to. I think instead I'll end up retrofitting it into
even more of a camper van - perfect for us to take on weekend trips to the
state parks within 3 hours or so drive of here.

We also camped in it for about half of the nights of our trip, staying
with relatives some of the other nights, and hotels the rest. I'd estimate
that we saved $1,200 by camping in the van, rather than staying at hotels
all the time. Up in Canada, they actually encourage you to stay at roadside
rests for free! There are signs up at many of them saying you can camp
overnight for 8 hours for free, so we did that for absolutely no cost
several times. Oh, since the van also had cupboards, which we stocked, we
also probably saved another $500 by not eating out all that much.

The van itself is in good shape, with about 135,000 miles on it. A Sears
Auto tech, after examining it while they changed the battery, said that the
engine "purred like a kitten", and that he wouldn't be surprised at all if
it gave us another 100,000 miles of driving. He said that he had seen a
number of these that had gone more than 300,000 miles with regular
maintenance - which is what it will be getting from me from now on.

Despite all the naysaying, we had a good trip. Some of the highlights:

visited Mt. St. Helens - got some pumice

camped at La Wis Wis state forest campground
in lower Washington State - where some of the trees were wider at the base
than our van

went through Jasper National Park in British Columbia,
where we went on a boat trip on Maligne Lake. We got to see the famous
scene of Spirit Island that is often featured on nature calendars,
postcards, etc. (and which was the wallpaper on one side of my room growing
up)

went as far North through Saskatchewan and into Manitoba as Flin Flon, which
is up as far as Alaska. The nights were less than 7 hours long, with the
Western horizon ever so slowly darkening for nearly 2 hours after the
sunset.

finally got to visit North Dakota, which means that now I've been to every
State West of the Mississippi.

Worst moment of the trip - coming back across the border, and having to wait
for 45 minutes while they checked everything out. Especially the part when
officers came out putting on those rubber gloves, making you wonder if a
body cavity search was next! I think we have too many of those homeland
security folks up there at our Northern border - because I don't hear a lot
about illegal aliens sneaking across from Canada. (perhaps we should move
half of them down to the Mexico border?)

Total we spent for 23 days of fun and exploration was about $2,800,
including airfair out West, the van, fuel, food, maintenance and occasional
hotel rooms. By doing it that way, we spent money we had, rather than
building up debts on our credit card that we would have had to pay on for
months.

Could we have done it for less? Sure, but it really made the trip seem a
lot nicer to eat out once in a while, and to stop at a hotel room every 3 or
4 nights.

Of course, it would have been quite easy to spend a lot more on the trip.
If we had stayed at hotels every night, and eaten out most meals, those two
expenses could have easily been $2,600 by themselves. (remember, Canadian
hotels most areas start out at $100 a night, and those are the cheap ones)

Anybody else have any summer vacation stories to share?

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Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 7:37 am
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Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 7:40 am
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"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Or decent modern products are dirt cheap now that so many of them are
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>
>Only a fool only buys necessitys when they can comfortably afford what
>makes things convenient, and that last clearly applys to most of us.

what things would you have even if considered NOT a
necessity?

what things in YOUR mind have value in just making life
better, easier, etc.... but are NOT necessities?

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TOPIC: Best Webcam/Microphone Combination?
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Date: Fri, Aug 17 2007 9:34 am
From: alex@homelifeweekly.com

Hi
I didn't ever think I would say the following but I have been happy
with the microsoft range of web cams.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/digitalcommunication/Productlist.aspx?type=LifeCam

I have an entry level cam VX1000 and it works great and works with
Skype as well. They are pretty cheap plus I can confirm they are
fully compatible with Vista. They have a microphones built in which
are OK,

I toyed with the idea of Logitech but brought the Microsoft one
instead. We have a friend who has logitech web cam on vista and
using Skype and tell now they have not been able to get it to work.

Hope this helps

Alex

www.HomeLifeWeekly.com
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