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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko mnjimnjimnjim
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Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 12:11 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke

Milenko Kindl Cvrcko

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil - When James Stuck regained consciousness in a
military hospital in late-2005, he realized something was wrong even
before he looked down at the stump where his lower right leg had been.
ADVERTISEMENT

A day earlier, the Army infantryman, then 21, had been driving a
Humvee outside the northern Iraqi town of Kirkuk when it was hit by
three rounds of artillery buried under the road. The vehicle flipped,
knocking Stuck out and smashing his leg.

Much of the leg was quickly amputated, and Stuck wondered how he'd
carry on. The answer came from a U.S. Olympic Committee program that
has turned hundreds of disabled veterans into athletes.

This week, Stuck and three other Iraq war veterans are in Rio de
Janeiro as part of the U.S. delegation to the Parapan American Games,
which has drawn some 1,300 disabled athletes from around the
hemisphere to compete.

For Stuck and other Iraq war veterans, the thrill of athletics has
brought both physical and mental healing and given them something to
think about other than their often painful memories of the war.

Stuck is a member of the U.S. sitting volleyball team. He uses his
arms and torso to move around the court and hit the ball over the
nearly four-foot-high net. On Wednesday, the squad beat Canada . The
team plays Brazil Friday for their division title, then moves on to
the overall semifinals.

"Once I got into sports, I realized I could continue doing what I love
to do and that amputation is not the end of your life," said Stuck,
who lives in Edmond, Okla. , with other members of his team.

"It's like being reborn because you have to learn to do everything
again."

The Olympic committee's veterans program so far has helped about 400
people, including more than 200 who've fought in the current Iraq war,
said John Register , associate director of outreach and development
for the committee's Paralympic branch.

Some veteran athletes are seeking slots in next year's Paralympic
Games in Beijing , the biggest event in the disabled sporting world.

Register served in the 1990-91 Gulf War, but he lost his left leg in a
freak hurdling accident in 1994. He said getting into swimming and
track and field after the accident helped him carry on with his life.

"It's about accepting the injury and moving past that," he said.
"Sports doesn't allow a person to feel sorry for themselves,
especially when they're around other people in exactly the same
situation they're in."

Veterans have long used sports for rehabilitation. In fact, the
international disabled athletics movement was started by a group of
World War II veterans in the United Kingdom who organized the first
disabled games in 1948.

Veteran Scott Winkler , of Augusta, Ga. , said he discovered his
"hidden talent" as a shot putter and discus thrower after falling off
an ammunition truck in Tikrit, Iraq , in May 2003 and injuring his
spine so badly that he was paralyzed below the waist.

Back in the United States , he first took up fishing and won second
place in two disabled veterans tournaments. That led to wheelchair
basketball and then, after taking part in a 2006 event organized by
the U.S. Olympics Committee, track and field.

Winkler won the gold medal in the shot put Thursday and set a world
record in his injury-level category, throwing the 11-pound ball nearly
34 feet while strapped into a special throwing chair. Lightly built
before his injury, the 34-year-old now has hulking shoulders and
bulging forearms.

"It's given me an outlet in life, and everybody needs an outlet,"
Winkler said. "It's given me something to focus on and get better at."

It's also helped Winkler take his mind off memories of the war that
are still so painful that he was pushed to the verge of tears when
asked about them.

"You try to block things out, and it's hard," he said.

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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko mnjimnjimnji
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ae9acfea2e548818?hl=en
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Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 12:12 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke

Milenko Kindl Cvrcko

Much of the leg was quickly amputated, and Stuck wondered how he'd
carry on. The answer came from a U.S. Olympic Committee program that
has turned hundreds of disabled veterans into athletes.

For Stuck and other Iraq war veterans, the thrill of athletics has
brought both physical and mental healing and given them something to
think about other than their often painful memories of the war.

"Once I got into sports, I realized I could continue doing what I love
to do and that amputation is not the end of your life," said Stuck,
who lives in Edmond, Okla. , with other members of his team.

"It's like being reborn because you have to learn to do everything
again."

Some veteran athletes are seeking slots in next year's Paralympic
Games in Beijing , the biggest event in the disabled sporting world.

"It's given me an outlet in life, and everybody needs an outlet,"
Winkler said. "It's given me something to focus on and get better at."

It's also helped Winkler take his mind off memories of the war that
are still so painful that he was pushed to the verge of tears when
asked about them.

"You try to block things out, and it's hard," he said.

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TOPIC: Milenko Kindl Cvrcko mnjimnjimnj
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c55e95650040fe91?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 12:12 am
From: Igor Dunjic-Duke

Milenko Kindl Cvrcko

Much of the leg was quickly amputated, and Stuck wondered how he'd
carry on. The answer came from a U.S. Olympic Committee program that
has turned hundreds of disabled veterans into athletes.

For Stuck and other Iraq war veterans, the thrill of athletics has
brought both physical and mental healing and given them something to
think about other than their often painful memories of the war.

"Once I got into sports, I realized I could continue doing what I love
to do and that amputation is not the end of your life," said Stuck,
who lives in Edmond, Okla. , with other members of his team.

"It's like being reborn because you have to learn to do everything
again."

Some veteran athletes are seeking slots in next year's Paralympic
Games in Beijing , the biggest event in the disabled sporting world.

"It's given me an outlet in life, and everybody needs an outlet,"
Winkler said. "It's given me something to focus on and get better at."

It's also helped Winkler take his mind off memories of the war that
are still so painful that he was pushed to the verge of tears when
asked about them.

"You try to block things out, and it's hard," he said.

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TOPIC: Profit from Spare Pictures
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 12:26 am
From: paidforpics@yahoo.com

Hey guys and gals! I was wondering if anyone here knew that you could
actually make some serious cash taking pictures with your digital
camera? Yeah it may seem kind of new because not many people know
about this market yet. I have a blog that has more information what im
talking about. If you feel like checking it out, I would completely
suggest it.
http://paidforpics.blogspot.com/
But for now, heres the skinny. You basically get paid for taking
everyday normal shots of random things around you, upload, and you get
paid for the use of your images. Im really excited about this and I
feel like I need to share it with the rest of you all who may have a
load of images sitting on your drives.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 12:45 am
From:

In article <1187422010.983645.141840@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
paidforpics@yahoo.com says...
> Hey guys and gals! I was wondering if anyone here knew that you could
> actually make some serious cash taking pictures with your digital
> camera? Yeah it may seem kind of new because not many people know
> about this market yet. I have a blog that has more information what im
> talking about. If you feel like checking it out, I would completely
> suggest it.
> http://paidforpics.blogspot.com/
> But for now, heres the skinny. You basically get paid for taking
> everyday normal shots of random things around you, upload, and you get
> paid for the use of your images. Im really excited about this and I
> feel like I need to share it with the rest of you all who may have a
> load of images sitting on your drives.

So, basicallly crowsourced stock photography, like istockphoto.com,
except supported by usenet spam?

--
josh@phred.org is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/>
Updated Infrared Photography Gallery:
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/photo/ir.html>

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TOPIC: Printing, Publishing
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Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 2:33 am
From: elie

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Keywords: Books Printing , Brochure printing

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TOPIC: Our $500 1969 van Canadian adventure
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 6:39 am
From: "OhioGuy"

>Do you even count the value of your vacation time spent >messing around
>with this vehicle?

Not really - most of that was up front, during the first 6 days of the
trip. We are talking about a 23 day vacation here, not just a shorter week
trip. I had already allowed for several days staying in hotels up front,
since I figured that there would be at least SOME things that would need
some work, while we were still close to civilization. I knew that once we
started driving in earnest, we would no longer be by the big cities, and
would be on our own a lot more. Better to get the glitches worked out, and
potential problems taken care of up front. Besides, it gave us an excuse to
stay in some nicer hotels while still in the USA (Washington), where the
hotels were available for half the prices they would have cost later in
Canada.

So, my wife and kids didn't mind at all, since it meant sleeping in more
comfortable hotel with pool those days, and getting better night's sleep. I
guess there's an upside to everything - even auto repair!

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 6:58 am
From: "Joe"

> Anybody else have any summer vacation stories to share?

www.yunx.com - See the trip link at the very top... Just got back about 2
weeks ago...

Joe in Northern, NJ - V#8013-R

Currently Riding The "Mother Ship"
http://yunx.com/valk.htm

Ride a motorcycle in or near NJ?
http://tinyurl.com/5apkg

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TOPIC: Frugal living & tourism in Paris, France
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 6:33 am
From: plenty560@yahoo.com

Some info:

http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 8:16 am
From: "Runge3"

<Nope, you are supposed to spend a lot in Paris, we are sick with the frugal
stuff !
Give us your dough !!!
The evleths need it !

<plenty560@yahoo.com> a écrit dans le message de
news:1187444025.406092.121230@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> Some info:
>
> http://home.comcast.net/~zilax/paris.html
>

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TOPIC: Who loves ya, Rush?
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Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 7:03 am
From: krw

In article <bearclaw-86EE45.22341117082007@news.supernews.com>,
bearclaw@cruller.invalid says...
> In article <MPG.212e654dec774ff298a8e3@news.individual.net>,
> krw <krw@att.bizzzz> wrote:
>
> > Color doesn't matter.
>
> Sure it doesn't. Especially if you are white.
>
More absolute tripe from the leftist loser.

--
Keith

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TOPIC: Rod Speed
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Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 8:13 am
From: "The Henchman"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5ijjtjF3ie3slU1@mid.individual.net...
> TwoAllBeefPatties <kwokx2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Get gold now!
>
> I dont panic like that.

panicking = buyhigh selllow. Why do so many people insist on this theory
LOL

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TOPIC: Hotel surprises
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Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 8:38 am
From: "Don K"

Last weekend we stayed one night at the Hampton Inn in Waterbury CT.

I couldn't get my company's corporate rate, but that was ok, since
the room was nice and had a comfortable king-size bed. Also the
complimentary continental breakfast was very good.

The 1st surprise came at 11PM when we discovered the low-flush
toilet didn't do its job. This was no big deal, since I took the cover off
the tank, figured out what was going on, and manually forced it to do
what had to be done.

The 2nd surprise came 12 hours later when we checked out.
I told the manager about the toilet, --not to complain, but just to
let her know that it wasn't working right and should be fixed.

I turned to leave, but then she said, "Wait! I'll make an adjustment".
It turns out that she took $110 off the bill!
We had stayed at the hotel for free!

I'm now an even bigger fan of Hampton Inns!

Don

== 2 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 8:44 am
From: clams casino

Don K wrote:

>Last weekend we stayed one night at the Hampton Inn in Waterbury CT.
>
>I couldn't get my company's corporate rate, but that was ok, since
>the room was nice and had a comfortable king-size bed. Also the
>complimentary continental breakfast was very good.
>
>The 1st surprise came at 11PM when we discovered the low-flush
>toilet didn't do its job. This was no big deal, since I took the cover off
>the tank, figured out what was going on, and manually forced it to do
>what had to be done.
>
>The 2nd surprise came 12 hours later when we checked out.
>I told the manager about the toilet, --not to complain, but just to
>let her know that it wasn't working right and should be fixed.
>
>I turned to leave, but then she said, "Wait! I'll make an adjustment".
>It turns out that she took $110 off the bill!
>We had stayed at the hotel for free!
>
>I'm now an even bigger fan of Hampton Inns!
>
>Don
>
>
>
>
As long as you like filling Paris Hilton's pockets, I guess that's OK.

I much prefer the HI Express in Southington - same guarantee on the
room, better accommodations & never had any problems.

== 3 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 10:11 am
From: "Don K"

"clams casino" <PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote in message
news:ntExi.10916$Pv4.4380@newsfe19.lga...
>>
> As long as you like filling Paris Hilton's pockets, I guess that's OK.

I don't concern myself tracking whether or not some airhead wastrel might
benefit from where I spend money.

> I much prefer the HI Express in Southington - same guarantee on the room, better
> accommodations & never had any problems.

The thing is, you don't really know how good they are, until you see how
they handle some problem that comes up.

In my case, they really didn't have to do anything to keep me happy.
But they went far beyond what I expected. I didn't expect to get anything.
I thought I was just being nice enough to tell them about a problem.

Don

== 4 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 10:14 am
From: Abe

== 5 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 10:34 am
From: Logan Shaw

clams casino wrote:
> Don K wrote:

>> Last weekend we stayed one night at the Hampton Inn in Waterbury CT.

> As long as you like filling Paris Hilton's pockets, I guess that's OK.

I support not funneling money in the direction of loser idiots, but I'm
thinking there is no need to worry about filling her pockets because they
are already full. If the hotel chain didn't make another cent after today,
I would guess that the family would still be doing just fine financially.

So, IMHO, that's one less thing to worry about in the world.

- Logan

== 6 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 11:09 am
From: "Chloe"

"Abe" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>I'm now an even bigger fan of Hampton Inns!
>>
>>Don
>>
> Wow. What a nice unexpected surprise.

It'd be interesting to hear other stories about excellent customer service
from large national companies. Unfortunately, I don't have any of my own
right at the moment.

Yesterday my local fishwrap arrived missing its "Weekender" section, the one
that contains all the community and entertainment type news for
the....WEEKEND. When the replacement I requested by voicemail didn't arrive,
I called back and insisted on talking to an actual human. She offered me
either a credit for the paper or said she would send the section by mail.
It'd be really useful to have the information about the weekend on, say, the
following Tuesday.

== 7 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 11:35 am
From: George Grapman

Chloe wrote:
> "Abe" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:77aec3lv180s0469n8lam9hsb5vpo2h4g9@4ax.com...
>>> I'm now an even bigger fan of Hampton Inns!
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>> Wow. What a nice unexpected surprise.
>
> It'd be interesting to hear other stories about excellent customer service
> from large national companies. Unfortunately, I don't have any of my own
> right at the moment.

A few years ago a booked a room at a Ramada at a very low rate on
priceline. I arrived after midnight and a couple was screaming at the
desk clerk about an upgrade to a suite.The clerk tried explain that her
plan did not guarantee an upgrade and she insisted she would have them
fired.
When my turn came I was asked what I wanted and said that for such a
low price a room with a bed would do. They gave me a suite.
More recently I stayed at a Vagabond Inn. Mo major problems but a
series of minor ones. The heat barely worked, the drain on the sink had
to done manually and there was a leak on the carpet under the sink. The
manager kept saying he would fix it but never did (it was 3 night stay)
I filled out the postage paid complaint form and a few weeks later
got a call telling me that they had deducted $75 from the credit card
bill and sending me a $50 unrestricted coupon valid at any of their
locations.

>
> Yesterday my local fishwrap arrived missing its "Weekender" section, the one
> that contains all the community and entertainment type news for
> the....WEEKEND. When the replacement I requested by voicemail didn't arrive,
> I called back and insisted on talking to an actual human. She offered me
> either a credit for the paper or said she would send the section by mail.
> It'd be really useful to have the information about the weekend on, say, the
> following Tuesday.
>
>

== 8 of 8 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 11:55 am
From: clams casino

Chloe wrote:

>"Abe" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:77aec3lv180s0469n8lam9hsb5vpo2h4g9@4ax.com...
>
>
>>>I'm now an even bigger fan of Hampton Inns!
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Wow. What a nice unexpected surprise.
>>
>>
>
>It'd be interesting to hear other stories about excellent customer service
>from large national companies. Unfortunately, I don't have any of my own
>right at the moment.
>
>
>
>
>
1) At a Holiday Inn in SC, I upon checkout, I commented that the shower
curtain should be changed in the room I had due to mildew.

As the OP described, I was merely making a suggestion, but the clerk
insisted on refunding full payment for that night's stay.

2) At a HI Inn Express in ME, I overheard the desk clerk refund a full
night's stay to someone because someone's dog was barking in their
adjoining room. Evidently someone left the dog unattended while they
went for a late dinner & it whined until they returned. The clerk
commented that they had tried to quiet the dog the night before, but
were unable to do anything until the owners returned. From what I
recall, I'm not sure pets were even allowed at that location.

3) After four years, a Levilor blind failed that I bought from JC Penny.
They replaced it with no charge.

4) Many years ago upon a sale at JC Pennys, we bought two pairs of
sneakers (clearance sale) for one of our sons - one to wear immediately
and one to grow into. About 6-9 months later, we discovered that the
second pair was mismatched (two different sizes). Upon return, the
store clerk located the mismatch in their stockroom & we had a matched
pair.

On the other hand I'll never do any business with Days Inn, Sheraton,
Radison, GM, Firestone/Bridgestone, Bestbuy or Uniroyal due to
exceptionally POOR service.

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TOPIC: A Good variety of plain unrefined plant food for Americans
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Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 8:54 am
From: Tina

A Good variety of plain unrefined plant food for Americans
http://foodone.blogspot.com/2007/07/good-variety-of-plain-unrefined-plant.html

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TOPIC: How often do you take the family out to dinner?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 9:25 am
From: throwitout

On Aug 18, 12:53 am, timeOday <timeOday-UNS...@theknack.net> wrote:
> Ward Abbott wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 18:19:09 -0000, Joe <joe54...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>I'm trying to set my budget and I've been taking them out once a week
> >>and I'm wondering what other frugal families do.
>
> > This must be an issue for you. If you can't afford it....you eat at
> > home. Period.
>
> I think feeding my family at Wendy's costs pretty close to what a
> home-cooked meal costs. They have a lot of things on their dollar menu.
> A dollar burger and a dollar potato is a filling meal. For dessert I
> get a large Frosty and split it 6 ways. And what you pay is the total
> price - unlike at home where you clean out your fridge once every other
> week and toss a lot of food down the drain (I guess you'll say you don't
> do that, but most people do - look at hotdogs, you can't even buy the
> right number of buns for the dogs).

Learn to buy and store the right amount of food. If I know I won't
finish something before it goes bad, I will place it in the freezer
ASAP. One example is hamburger buns, and it would work for hot dog
buns as well. When you get home put the bloody bag in the freezer
(along with the wieners), then just take them out as you need them. If
it's something that doesn't freeze well, buy a smaller package and
learn to plan your meals.

Also here you can buy buns in either 8-packs or 12 (usually labeled
"New England style"), as well the wieners can usually be bought in 8
or 12 packs.

I guess if you throw out half the food you buy then it might be
cheaper to eat out. It's also cheaper to not throw money in the trash.
And if you "toss a lot of food down the drain", you're being tough on
your municipal sewer system.

> Of course home cooking wins hands-down for taste and health. But give
> credit where it's due, the American fast-food vendors have cheap eats
> down to a science. I don't know how they can serve a burger for $1.
> (And no, the answer is not "sawdust").

Mealworms.

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TOPIC: prada guuci chanel
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 10:06 am
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TOPIC: Water Sprinkler on hot roof
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Aug 18 2007 11:22 am
From: "TKM"

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5imdeuF3qht5uU1@mid.individual.net...
> Bob's Backfire Burrito <BLAMPOW!@pullmyfinger.org> wrote
>> Tony Miklos <tonymiklos@planetc.com> wrote
>
>>> I'm wondering if anyone out there has tried this, how it worked to
>>> help cool the building, and especially curious how to make it automatic.
>
>> It does NOT work well.
>
> Depends on how you define well. Works a lot better than nothing.
>
>> It wont pull the heat out of the roof, the Infrared energy from the sun
>> heats the water before it can run off with the heat it absorbed.
>
> Mindlessly silly. The reality with roofs is that they get a lot
> hot due to the heat absorbed and the water does get rid
> of most of that heat even if the humidity is quite high.
>
>> Besides that, it wastes water,
>
> Sure, but there is often plenty of water available.
>
>> and makes the ground around the place a soggy mess.
>
> Nope, not if the roof drainage is designed properly.
>
>> Now if you REALLY want to cool the house, mount solar panels about 4
>> inches above the roof, covering the entire roof with shade. The 4 "
>> gap allows air to flow between the panels, cooling them and the roof.
>
> Pity that that costs a hell of a lot more than a sprinkler.
>
>> Use the power generated by the panels to run the power meter backwards.
>
> Pity about the cost of doing that.
>
>> The money saved by this can be spent on running the A/C when you really
>> need it.
>
> Nope, the money saved wont even pay for the solar panels.
>
>> Cover the windows with "Solarscreens". They are perforated metal covers
>> that you can see thru, but reflect a lot of the energy so it doesnt heat
>> the windows more than the outside airtemp.
>
> Lot cheaper to have appropriate eaves to stop the sun falling on the
> windows in summer.
>
>> There are MANY good ideas, the water trick is not one of them....
>
> Wrong if you want a very low cost approach. Its a lot better than nothing.

Not in my experience either. I tried it using a soaker hose at the top of
the roof. The water trickled down the roof, evaporated and, hopefully,
cooled the roof and the rooms below. But the temperature of the rooms below
didn't change after a day and a night and about $10 worth of water.

TKM
>
>

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