Frugal Living: 23 new messages in 16 topics

Thursday, October 4, 2007

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: WHY INDIA IS CAGY ABOUT WORLD'S HIGHEST OBSERVATORY AT 15,000 FT IN
LADAKH?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 12:39 am
From: kiran-travelfury

Why the world doesn't know about the most beautiful cold desert at the
top of the world in Ladakh, India?
Why the great tourism opportunity in Changthang, ladakh is not fully
exploited?
What is the secret?
Ladakh, a stunning region of Jammu and Kashmir in the lap of the
Himalayas and Karakorum range of mighty mountains in the north west is
an ethereal cold desert at an average height of 14,000 ft above the
sea level. A land of shooting stars, rugged landscape situated amidst
multiple hued mountains and surprised by little green hamlets.
Some where there is the world's highest Astronomical Observatory
"Hanle" close to China and Pakistan border. What's happening there?
Why this spectacular and a national achievement is not turned into a
tourist hotspot?

Read the most exciting story : http://aceguide.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: Cigarrillos cones franquicia
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 1:57 am
From: European

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TOPIC: Is there any option to work part time with out registeration fee
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 3:55 am
From: clams casino

Ibrarmirza wrote:

>Some one gave me this site
>
>

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TOPIC: Bush To Let Illegal Aliens Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 5:09 am
From: greg3347

On Oct 4, 4:04 am, "Bill" <rocka...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> Just another example of how the Bush Administration is not serious about
> enforcing immigration laws.
> Hopefully this will change when he is finally flushed from office and
> replaced by someone who will
> listen to the American people for a change instead of the corporations and
> the unions.
>
> http://www.tvpredictions.com/aliens100307.htm
>
> Illegal Aliens Can Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
>
> The federal government will issue the coupons next year for digital
> converters.
> By Swanni
>
> Washington, D.C. (October 3, 2007) -- The federal government in January will
> begin issuing $40 coupons to help Americans purchase Digital TV converter
> boxes so they can keep watching TV when the nation switches to all-digital
> signals in 2009.
>
> And a Bush administration official said yesterday that illegal aliens will
> be allowed to get the $40 coupons just like everyone else.
>
> "We don't have any restrictions on the program with regard to any
> classification, whether it's immigration status or economic status ..." said
> NTIA chief John Kneuer, according to Multichannel News.
>
> Kneuer is a Commerce Department official who runs the National
> Telecommunications & Information Administration, which oversees the coupon
> program.
>
> Kneuer's comments are likely to generate controversy with many lawmakers
> saying the coupon program is already underfinanced. The federal government
> allocated $1.5 billion in coupon subsidies so consumers can get the
> converter boxes, which are expected to cost around $60-70.
>
> On February 17, 2009, all local broadcasters must switch their analog
> signals to digital which means viewers will need a Digital TV, a pay TV
> subscription or a digital converter box to keep watching television. The
> converter box will allow old analog TVs to display the new digital signals.
>
> The federal coupon program will allow anyone to apply for two $40 coupons
> for the converter boxes from January 1, 2008 to March 31, 2009.
>
> Kneuer's remark, which was made yesterday at a panel discussion sponsored by
> the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, apparently means that 'anyone' includes
> the estimated 12 million illegal aliens.
>
> According to Multichannel News, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin supports his view.
>
> "I think we should be trying to focus on how we can make sure that everyone's
> able to participate in the program to the maximum extent," Martin said,
> according to Multichannel News.
>
> Rep. Joe Baca, a California Republican and chairman of the Hispanic Caucus,
> also joined in with his support.
> "I believe that everybody that is here who has purchased a TV should receive
> (a coupon) They are paying taxes, they are purchasing and it's going back to
> the consumer and it's going back to the state. So that's revenue that's
> generated back into our country, too, as well," Baca said.

"Sucking for Success", a handbook for understanding the American
political system.

greg

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 5:58 am
From: FDR

greg3347 wrote:
> On Oct 4, 4:04 am, "Bill" <rocka...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> Just another example of how the Bush Administration is not serious about
>> enforcing immigration laws.
>> Hopefully this will change when he is finally flushed from office and
>> replaced by someone who will
>> listen to the American people for a change instead of the corporations and
>> the unions.
>>
>> http://www.tvpredictions.com/aliens100307.htm
>>
>> Illegal Aliens Can Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
>>
>> The federal government will issue the coupons next year for digital
>> converters.
>> By Swanni
>>
>> Washington, D.C. (October 3, 2007) -- The federal government in January will
>> begin issuing $40 coupons to help Americans purchase Digital TV converter
>> boxes so they can keep watching TV when the nation switches to all-digital
>> signals in 2009.
>>
>> And a Bush administration official said yesterday that illegal aliens will
>> be allowed to get the $40 coupons just like everyone else.
>>
>> "We don't have any restrictions on the program with regard to any
>> classification, whether it's immigration status or economic status ..." said
>> NTIA chief John Kneuer, according to Multichannel News.
>>
>> Kneuer is a Commerce Department official who runs the National
>> Telecommunications & Information Administration, which oversees the coupon
>> program.
>>
>> Kneuer's comments are likely to generate controversy with many lawmakers
>> saying the coupon program is already underfinanced. The federal government
>> allocated $1.5 billion in coupon subsidies so consumers can get the
>> converter boxes, which are expected to cost around $60-70.
>>
>> On February 17, 2009, all local broadcasters must switch their analog
>> signals to digital which means viewers will need a Digital TV, a pay TV
>> subscription or a digital converter box to keep watching television. The
>> converter box will allow old analog TVs to display the new digital signals.
>>
>> The federal coupon program will allow anyone to apply for two $40 coupons
>> for the converter boxes from January 1, 2008 to March 31, 2009.
>>
>> Kneuer's remark, which was made yesterday at a panel discussion sponsored by
>> the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, apparently means that 'anyone' includes
>> the estimated 12 million illegal aliens.
>>
>> According to Multichannel News, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin supports his view.
>>
>> "I think we should be trying to focus on how we can make sure that everyone's
>> able to participate in the program to the maximum extent," Martin said,
>> according to Multichannel News.
>>
>> Rep. Joe Baca, a California Republican and chairman of the Hispanic Caucus,
>> also joined in with his support.
>> "I believe that everybody that is here who has purchased a TV should receive
>> (a coupon) They are paying taxes, they are purchasing and it's going back to
>> the consumer and it's going back to the state. So that's revenue that's
>> generated back into our country, too, as well," Baca said.
>
> "Sucking for Success", a handbook for understanding the American
> political system.
>
> greg
>

Well how else will Mexicans be able to watch the Republican political
ads if they can't get reception?

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 6:06 am
From: cloud dreamer

FDR wrote:
> greg3347 wrote:
>> On Oct 4, 4:04 am, "Bill" <rocka...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>> Just another example of how the Bush Administration is not serious about
>>> enforcing immigration laws.
>>> Hopefully this will change when he is finally flushed from office and
>>> replaced by someone who will
>>> listen to the American people for a change instead of the
>>> corporations and
>>> the unions.
>>>
>>> http://www.tvpredictions.com/aliens100307.htm
>>>
>>> Illegal Aliens Can Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
>>>
>>> The federal government will issue the coupons next year for digital
>>> converters.
>>> By Swanni
>>>
>>> Washington, D.C. (October 3, 2007) -- The federal government in
>>> January will
>>> begin issuing $40 coupons to help Americans purchase Digital TV
>>> converter
>>> boxes so they can keep watching TV when the nation switches to
>>> all-digital
>>> signals in 2009.
>>>
>>> And a Bush administration official said yesterday that illegal aliens
>>> will
>>> be allowed to get the $40 coupons just like everyone else.
>>>
>>> "We don't have any restrictions on the program with regard to any
>>> classification, whether it's immigration status or economic status
>>> ..." said
>>> NTIA chief John Kneuer, according to Multichannel News.
>>>
>>> Kneuer is a Commerce Department official who runs the National
>>> Telecommunications & Information Administration, which oversees the
>>> coupon
>>> program.
>>>
>>> Kneuer's comments are likely to generate controversy with many lawmakers
>>> saying the coupon program is already underfinanced. The federal
>>> government
>>> allocated $1.5 billion in coupon subsidies so consumers can get the
>>> converter boxes, which are expected to cost around $60-70.
>>>
>>> On February 17, 2009, all local broadcasters must switch their analog
>>> signals to digital which means viewers will need a Digital TV, a pay TV
>>> subscription or a digital converter box to keep watching television. The
>>> converter box will allow old analog TVs to display the new digital
>>> signals.
>>>
>>> The federal coupon program will allow anyone to apply for two $40
>>> coupons
>>> for the converter boxes from January 1, 2008 to March 31, 2009.
>>>
>>> Kneuer's remark, which was made yesterday at a panel discussion
>>> sponsored by
>>> the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, apparently means that 'anyone'
>>> includes
>>> the estimated 12 million illegal aliens.
>>>
>>> According to Multichannel News, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin supports
>>> his view.
>>>
>>> "I think we should be trying to focus on how we can make sure that
>>> everyone's
>>> able to participate in the program to the maximum extent," Martin said,
>>> according to Multichannel News.
>>>
>>> Rep. Joe Baca, a California Republican and chairman of the Hispanic
>>> Caucus,
>>> also joined in with his support.
>>> "I believe that everybody that is here who has purchased a TV should
>>> receive
>>> (a coupon) They are paying taxes, they are purchasing and it's going
>>> back to
>>> the consumer and it's going back to the state. So that's revenue that's
>>> generated back into our country, too, as well," Baca said.
>>
>> "Sucking for Success", a handbook for understanding the American
>> political system.
>>
>> greg
>>
>
> Well how else will Mexicans be able to watch the Republican political
> ads if they can't get reception?

Funny how guys like Bill will whine over illegal immigrants but is happy
to buy cheap strawberries made possible only by their labour. I doubt
he'd be willing to bend over and pick in the hot sun for their wages.

We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 7:33 am
From: casca <@gabriels.ser>

cloud dreamer wrote:
> FDR wrote:
>> greg3347 wrote:
>>> On Oct 4, 4:04 am, "Bill" <rocka...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>>>> Just another example of how the Bush Administration is not serious
>>>> about
>>>> enforcing immigration laws.
>>>> Hopefully this will change when he is finally flushed from office and
>>>> replaced by someone who will
>>>> listen to the American people for a change instead of the
>>>> corporations and
>>>> the unions.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tvpredictions.com/aliens100307.htm
>>>>
>>>> Illegal Aliens Can Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
>>>>
>>>> The federal government will issue the coupons next year for digital
>>>> converters.
>>>> By Swanni
>>>>
>>>> Washington, D.C. (October 3, 2007) -- The federal government in
>>>> January will
>>>> begin issuing $40 coupons to help Americans purchase Digital TV
>>>> converter
>>>> boxes so they can keep watching TV when the nation switches to
>>>> all-digital
>>>> signals in 2009.
>>>>
>>>> And a Bush administration official said yesterday that illegal
>>>> aliens will
>>>> be allowed to get the $40 coupons just like everyone else.
>>>>
>>>> "We don't have any restrictions on the program with regard to any
>>>> classification, whether it's immigration status or economic status
>>>> ..." said
>>>> NTIA chief John Kneuer, according to Multichannel News.
>>>>
>>>> Kneuer is a Commerce Department official who runs the National
>>>> Telecommunications & Information Administration, which oversees the
>>>> coupon
>>>> program.
>>>>
>>>> Kneuer's comments are likely to generate controversy with many
>>>> lawmakers
>>>> saying the coupon program is already underfinanced. The federal
>>>> government
>>>> allocated $1.5 billion in coupon subsidies so consumers can get the
>>>> converter boxes, which are expected to cost around $60-70.
>>>>
>>>> On February 17, 2009, all local broadcasters must switch their analog
>>>> signals to digital which means viewers will need a Digital TV, a pay TV
>>>> subscription or a digital converter box to keep watching television.
>>>> The
>>>> converter box will allow old analog TVs to display the new digital
>>>> signals.
>>>>
>>>> The federal coupon program will allow anyone to apply for two $40
>>>> coupons
>>>> for the converter boxes from January 1, 2008 to March 31, 2009.
>>>>
>>>> Kneuer's remark, which was made yesterday at a panel discussion
>>>> sponsored by
>>>> the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, apparently means that 'anyone'
>>>> includes
>>>> the estimated 12 million illegal aliens.
>>>>
>>>> According to Multichannel News, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin supports
>>>> his view.
>>>>
>>>> "I think we should be trying to focus on how we can make sure that
>>>> everyone's
>>>> able to participate in the program to the maximum extent," Martin said,
>>>> according to Multichannel News.
>>>>
>>>> Rep. Joe Baca, a California Republican and chairman of the Hispanic
>>>> Caucus,
>>>> also joined in with his support.
>>>> "I believe that everybody that is here who has purchased a TV should
>>>> receive
>>>> (a coupon) They are paying taxes, they are purchasing and it's going
>>>> back to
>>>> the consumer and it's going back to the state. So that's revenue that's
>>>> generated back into our country, too, as well," Baca said.
>>>
>>> "Sucking for Success", a handbook for understanding the American
>>> political system.
>>>
>>> greg
>>>
>>
>> Well how else will Mexicans be able to watch the Republican political
>> ads if they can't get reception?
>
>
> Funny how guys like Bill will whine over illegal immigrants but is happy
> to buy cheap strawberries made possible only by their labour. I doubt
> he'd be willing to bend over and pick in the hot sun for their wages.
>
> ..
>
Three dollars a a container, not a quart isn't cheap. They taste like
cardboard with citric acid sprayed on it and a scent of strawberry.
They seem to have an infinite shelf life because there is nothing
nutritionally in them that even bugs want. The berries are becoming more
machine harvester friendly.
We are becoming overcrowded and our real wages, which includes benefits
are being depressed and taxes rising.
Imagine the impact, on the price, of fuel, if the estimated 30,000,000
Illegal Aliens were sent home.
I am amazed how many of you jerks are prepared to surrender our Country
for your benefit. The dollar is taking a dive partially because of these
Illegals too.
It won't be long before the dollar is cheaper than toilet paper. When it
takes 100.00 a week to feed four and 200,00 a week for fuel thank
Illegal Aliens and their Trans nationalist champion George Bush. Don't
forget their buddies in Congress bribed by the National Restaurant
Association and the like.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 8:19 am
From: "Don"

"casca" <@gabriels.ser> wrote
> Three dollars a a container, not a quart isn't cheap. They taste like
> cardboard with citric acid sprayed on it and a scent of strawberry.
> They seem to have an infinite shelf life because there is nothing
> nutritionally in them that even bugs want. The berries are becoming more
> machine harvester friendly.

Don't know where you're getting yours, but the ones I buy are(2) boxes for
about $2.99, last 3 days on the counter and 5 days in the fridge and thats
if I pick em over in the store to make sure none have mold already.
They taste pretty good to me, I rinse them off under the faucet, and I eat
10 or so every morning for breakfast.
I really don't care WHO picks em, its none of my business.

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 9:03 am
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid

In article <BQ6Ni.22$F52.2@newsfe12.lga>, casca <@gabriels.ser> wrote:

> It won't be long before the dollar is cheaper than toilet paper. When it
> takes 100.00 a week to feed four and 200,00 a week for fuel thank
> Illegal Aliens and their Trans nationalist champion George Bush. Don't
> forget their buddies in Congress bribed by the National Restaurant
> Association and the like.

Anyone else who can't think of any reason other than illegal immigration
for rising prices and falling standards of living, here's your sign.

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 9:16 am
From: casca <@gabriels.ser>

bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
> In article <BQ6Ni.22$F52.2@newsfe12.lga>, casca <@gabriels.ser> wrote:
>
>> It won't be long before the dollar is cheaper than toilet paper. When it
>> takes 100.00 a week to feed four and 200,00 a week for fuel thank
>> Illegal Aliens and their Trans nationalist champion George Bush. Don't
>> forget their buddies in Congress bribed by the National Restaurant
>> Association and the like.
>
> Anyone else who can't think of any reason other than illegal immigration
> for rising prices and falling standards of living, here's your sign.

No one said it is the only reason. The Illegal Aliens are being invited
in to help facilitate lowering Americans' wealth to the lowest common
denominator for Globalism. They want to bring about their beloved global
level playing field. That's the new world order and America will be no
more. Global Big Business in partnership with our? government is
bringing about the demise of the Republic and our Constitution.
America will be just a name and our freedoms and rights eliminated to
what produces an efficient market. Trickle down, Free Trade etc are
jokes on American and our Republic that many still have not gotten.

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TOPIC: Tips for cheaper auto insurance
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 6:13 am
From: "chicago_blogger"

Some simple tips for getting cheaper auto insurance are at:

http://getcarinsurance.blogspot.com

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TOPIC: Fruit FLy Problem ?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 6:39 am
From: dale randall

Put out a saucer of dish soap and vinegar and set it on counter or where
frut flys are a problem and you will have a lot of dead ones in a few
hours.

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TOPIC: Cheap perosnla checks to order?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 7:55 am
From: me@privacy.net

>Wal-Mart does check printing. We have been using their service for the
>past couple of years and didn't have any problems.
>
>Go to http://www.walmart.com/moneycenter and click on the link or go
>directly using http://www.walmartchecks.com/

Do you have to order online for their checks on can it
be done at any Walmart?

Or..can it be ordered online and delivered to a local
Walmart to save shipping?

Basically how does it work for Walmart?

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TOPIC: Getting Free Stuff - How Freebies Work
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 8:03 am
From: sofkins

If there is one thing that we enjoy it is getting something for free.
I've seen people get excited about getting useless junk without having
to pay for it. Yes in the land of the free we surely love getting
stuff for free. Game shows are built around these premises. Win cars,
home or cash without having to pay for it. We aspire to be apart of
such action. If we can't we spend time in front of the television
watching other people getting free stuff.

There are several factors though that has made free things available
to the masses. First is the fact that free is so powerful. When it
comes to marketing the most important word is free. It drives people
to its source. Because of this companies look to capitalize on the
opportunity. If they give a product of their own away for free they
attract attention.

Other companies use free stuff to their advantage. Take for instance
the vacation industry. You can take free vacations, get free park
attraction tickets or even get paid to vacation. The reason is so that
they can give you their 2-4 hour sales pitch. Be assured it will come.
They use this tactic every day. Why? It works for them.

So when it comes to free stuff the fact of the matter is everyone
comes out a winner. As the consumer we end up with something that we
didn't have to pay for. Companies benefit because by craftily giving
something away for free they end up benefiting their bottom line.

Meal Ticket On Us for Free Stuff and Freebies Lovers have some of the
best freebies on the internet at http://mealticketonus.com

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 10:56 am
From: Anthony Matonak

sofkins wrote:
> If there is one thing that we enjoy it is getting something for free.

There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.
You'll pay in one way or another.

> I've seen people get excited about getting useless junk without having
> to pay for it. Yes in the land of the free we surely love getting
> stuff for free. Game shows are built around these premises. Win cars,
> home or cash without having to pay for it. We aspire to be apart of
> such action. If we can't we spend time in front of the television
> watching other people getting free stuff.

Keeping junk that you don't use costs. It takes up space that could
be used for useful items. I've seen homes that are filled with useless
junk. Homes that are almost worthless to the owners because the junk
has taken over. Owning that useless junk is actually very expensive.

The items people "win" in game shows are paid for by their performance
on TV. Most folks do not aspire to be part of such action. I honestly
don't know a lot of people that want to be on game shows or in front
of TV cameras.

While a lot of people may find game shows entertaining, there are a lot
more that don't. Watching TV also costs in time, missed life experiences
and opportunities. Doing anything is more useful than watching almost
any TV show.

Watching TV can also skew your perceptions of reality. Your idea that
people "aspire to be a part of such action" is an example. Only someone
who watches TV could come to believe that everyone wants to be on TV.

> Other companies use free stuff to their advantage. Take for instance
> the vacation industry. You can take free vacations, get free park
> attraction tickets or even get paid to vacation. The reason is so that
> they can give you their 2-4 hour sales pitch. Be assured it will come.
> They use this tactic every day. Why? It works for them.

You pay for that vacation by subjecting yourself to 4 hours of high
pressure sales tactics. Sure, they stop short of physical torture but
they use every other trick in the book to get you to buy. I've also
found that with most of these "free" vacation things the "free" part
is very limited and it can end up costing a lot of money.

It's come to the point now that when someone asks me if I want something
for free, I ask them "How much does it cost?" Most of the time they'll
give me a number that isn't zero. They always fail to see the problem.

Anthony

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 8:08 am
From: rick

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 15:35:56 -0400, clams casino
<PeterGriffin@drunkin-clam.com> wrote:

>E Z Peaces wrote:
>
>> slakka wrote:
>>
>>> Dear NG,
>>> Can I Wash/Clean my mattress insted of replacing it i wonder??
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!!
>>>
>>> ed
>>>
>> A mattress can be shampooed like a couch. Normally you just vacuum it
>> to suck out the dust. A mattress cover helps keep it clean.
>
>
>An ongoing vacuuming is best. The problem with any liquid cleaning is
>that you do not want to penetrate the surface. Once wet, the inside
>will likely mildew / never dry.

I find that a "little green machine" i bought years ago, along with my
celling fan does a nice job for the once in a while cleaning of
mattress'. But hes right, little water, make sure you suck up ALL the
water. I have a ruined feather topper that will attest to that.

Rick
N4NKR
Rick

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TOPIC: Free Nature's Recipe Devoted Dog Parent Kit
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 8:27 am
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TOPIC: Update on installing kitchen cabinets from China
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 8:32 am
From: Chris Hill

On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 20:09:19 -0400, pc <pc@somewhere.com> wrote:

>Greetings group..
>
>We have installed our kitchen cabinets. But, we are awaiting a few
>doors that are back ordered. They look amazing.
>
>Our kitchen is roughly 12 X 12. And the raised panel maple cabinets and
>granite counters came in well under 6K.
>
>Yes, it was a lot of money. But, it would have been triple that, at
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>
>The cabinets and granite are all from China. But, I heard about this
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>
>We installed the cabinets ourselves. And, I would not recommend this
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>
>A sixteenth of an inch off here, an eighth of in an off there. We had
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>
>The granite install was perfect [the granite was from China too!]. It
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>square foot installed.
>
>Would I recommend cheap China cabinets? Sure. If you install them
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>Otherwise, you're going to pay through the nose for the 'pissed off'
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>that adds time and aggravation.

If you put anything in them, do they fall off the wall? I'd build
shelves in the kitchen before I'd buy imported cabbinets each of which
had some little problem or other with them. Sounds like false
economy, typical of many consumers these days.

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