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== 1 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 11:05 am
From: Ted
On Oct 4, 6:06 am, cloud dreamer <Global_Warm...@is.real> wrote:
> FDR wrote:
> > greg3347 wrote:
> >> On Oct 4, 4:04 am, "Bill" <rocka...@prodigy.net> wrote:
> >>> Just another example of how the Bush Administration is not serious about
> >>> enforcing immigration laws.
> >>> Hopefully this will change when he is finally flushed from office and
> >>> replaced by someone who will
> >>> listen to the American people for a change instead of the
> >>> corporations and
> >>> the unions.
>
> >>>http://www.tvpredictions.com/aliens100307.htm
>
> >>> Illegal Aliens Can Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
>
> >>> The federal government will issue the coupons next year for digital
> >>> converters.
> >>> By Swanni
>
> >>> Washington, D.C. (October 3, 2007) -- The federal government in
> >>> January will
> >>> begin issuing $40 coupons to help Americans purchase Digital TV
> >>> converter
> >>> boxes so they can keep watching TV when the nation switches to
> >>> all-digital
> >>> signals in 2009.
>
> >>> And a Bush administration official said yesterday that illegal aliens
> >>> will
> >>> be allowed to get the $40 coupons just like everyone else.
>
> >>> "We don't have any restrictions on the program with regard to any
> >>> classification, whether it's immigration status or economic status
> >>> ..." said
> >>> NTIA chief John Kneuer, according to Multichannel News.
>
> >>> Kneuer is a Commerce Department official who runs the National
> >>> Telecommunications & Information Administration, which oversees the
> >>> coupon
> >>> program.
>
> >>> Kneuer's comments are likely to generate controversy with many lawmakers
> >>> saying the coupon program is already underfinanced. The federal
> >>> government
> >>> allocated $1.5 billion in coupon subsidies so consumers can get the
> >>> converter boxes, which are expected to cost around $60-70.
>
> >>> On February 17, 2009, all local broadcasters must switch their analog
> >>> signals to digital which means viewers will need a Digital TV, a pay TV
> >>> subscription or a digital converter box to keep watching television. The
> >>> converter box will allow old analog TVs to display the new digital
> >>> signals.
>
> >>> The federal coupon program will allow anyone to apply for two $40
> >>> coupons
> >>> for the converter boxes from January 1, 2008 to March 31, 2009.
>
> >>> Kneuer's remark, which was made yesterday at a panel discussion
> >>> sponsored by
> >>> the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, apparently means that 'anyone'
> >>> includes
> >>> the estimated 12 million illegal aliens.
>
> >>> According to Multichannel News, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin supports
> >>> his view.
>
> >>> "I think we should be trying to focus on how we can make sure that
> >>> everyone's
> >>> able to participate in the program to the maximum extent," Martin said,
> >>> according to Multichannel News.
>
> >>> Rep. Joe Baca, a California Republican and chairman of the Hispanic
> >>> Caucus,
> >>> also joined in with his support.
> >>> "I believe that everybody that is here who has purchased a TV should
> >>> receive
> >>> (a coupon) They are paying taxes, they are purchasing and it's going
> >>> back to
> >>> the consumer and it's going back to the state. So that's revenue that's
> >>> generated back into our country, too, as well," Baca said.
>
> >> "Sucking for Success", a handbook for understanding the American
> >> political system.
>
> >> greg
>
> > Well how else will Mexicans be able to watch the Republican political
> > ads if they can't get reception?
>
> Funny how guys like Bill will whine over illegal immigrants but is happy
> to buy cheap strawberries made possible only by their labour. I doubt
> he'd be willing to bend over and pick in the hot sun for their wages.
>
> ..
>
> --
>
> We must change the way we live,
> or the climate will do it for us.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Remove the stinking illegals and you will find persons willing to pick
the crops. Just as we
did in WW2 with millions in uniforms. Eliminating the social costs of
these invaders would
more than compensate for any brief inconvenience.
ted
== 2 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 11:14 am
From: Audie Murphy's Ghost
In article <1191521103.568232.199540@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, Ted
<tedorn44@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Remove the stinking illegals and you will find persons willing to pick
> the crops.
Fine! When are you volunteering? Or are we going to get one of those
"I spent half my life picking crops" lies?
== 3 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 11:39 am
From: cloud dreamer
Audie Murphy's Ghost wrote:
> In article <1191521103.568232.199540@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>, Ted
> <tedorn44@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Remove the stinking illegals and you will find persons willing to pick
>> the crops.
>
> Fine! When are you volunteering? Or are we going to get one of those
> "I spent half my life picking crops" lies?
Teehee. Yeah. I saw something a few months ago in which the reporter
spoke to a strawberry farmer who had been in the business for more than
25 years. When he was asked if he felt bad "stealing" jobs from
Americans by using illegal immigrants, he said that he had never ever
had an American come to him looking for a job.
The crew then went to a local town and asked some of the locals why they
wouldn't pick strawberries and they all agreed that it doesn't pay
enough...saying they'd have to be paid $1000 a week to pick them!!!
Now, imagine what strawberries would cost with Americans picking them.
(And of course, it doesn't just apply to strawberries).
So, they have a choice. Tolerate the illegals or pay the price.
Simple.
..
--
We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.
== 4 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 12:36 pm
From: "Jerry Okamura"
Tell me "who" is serious about solving the illegal immigration problem. And
if there is someone who you think is serious about "solving" the problem,
what is their solution?
"greg3347" <theodoric3@lycos.com> wrote in message
news:1191499766.867539.89090@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 4, 4:04 am, "Bill" <rocka...@prodigy.net> wrote:
>> Just another example of how the Bush Administration is not serious about
>> enforcing immigration laws.
>> Hopefully this will change when he is finally flushed from office and
>> replaced by someone who will
>> listen to the American people for a change instead of the corporations
>> and
>> the unions.
>>
>> http://www.tvpredictions.com/aliens100307.htm
>>
>> Illegal Aliens Can Get $40 Digital TV Coupons
>>
>> The federal government will issue the coupons next year for digital
>> converters.
>> By Swanni
>>
>> Washington, D.C. (October 3, 2007) -- The federal government in January
>> will
>> begin issuing $40 coupons to help Americans purchase Digital TV converter
>> boxes so they can keep watching TV when the nation switches to
>> all-digital
>> signals in 2009.
>>
>> And a Bush administration official said yesterday that illegal aliens
>> will
>> be allowed to get the $40 coupons just like everyone else.
>>
>> "We don't have any restrictions on the program with regard to any
>> classification, whether it's immigration status or economic status ..."
>> said
>> NTIA chief John Kneuer, according to Multichannel News.
>>
>> Kneuer is a Commerce Department official who runs the National
>> Telecommunications & Information Administration, which oversees the
>> coupon
>> program.
>>
>> Kneuer's comments are likely to generate controversy with many lawmakers
>> saying the coupon program is already underfinanced. The federal
>> government
>> allocated $1.5 billion in coupon subsidies so consumers can get the
>> converter boxes, which are expected to cost around $60-70.
>>
>> On February 17, 2009, all local broadcasters must switch their analog
>> signals to digital which means viewers will need a Digital TV, a pay TV
>> subscription or a digital converter box to keep watching television. The
>> converter box will allow old analog TVs to display the new digital
>> signals.
>>
>> The federal coupon program will allow anyone to apply for two $40 coupons
>> for the converter boxes from January 1, 2008 to March 31, 2009.
>>
>> Kneuer's remark, which was made yesterday at a panel discussion sponsored
>> by
>> the Congressional Hispanic Caucus, apparently means that 'anyone'
>> includes
>> the estimated 12 million illegal aliens.
>>
>> According to Multichannel News, FCC Chairman Kevin Martin supports his
>> view.
>>
>> "I think we should be trying to focus on how we can make sure that
>> everyone's
>> able to participate in the program to the maximum extent," Martin said,
>> according to Multichannel News.
>>
>> Rep. Joe Baca, a California Republican and chairman of the Hispanic
>> Caucus,
>> also joined in with his support.
>> "I believe that everybody that is here who has purchased a TV should
>> receive
>> (a coupon) They are paying taxes, they are purchasing and it's going back
>> to
>> the consumer and it's going back to the state. So that's revenue that's
>> generated back into our country, too, as well," Baca said.
>
> "Sucking for Success", a handbook for understanding the American
> political system.
>
> greg
>
>
>
>
== 5 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 12:58 pm
From: "Don"
"casca" <@gabriels.ser> wrote in message news:jl8Ni.37$F52.5@newsfe12.lga...
> bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
>> In article <BQ6Ni.22$F52.2@newsfe12.lga>, casca <@gabriels.ser> wrote:
>>
>>> It won't be long before the dollar is cheaper than toilet paper. When it
>>> takes 100.00 a week to feed four and 200,00 a week for fuel thank
>>> Illegal Aliens and their Trans nationalist champion George Bush. Don't
>>> forget their buddies in Congress bribed by the National Restaurant
>>> Association and the like.
>>
>> Anyone else who can't think of any reason other than illegal immigration
>> for rising prices and falling standards of living, here's your sign.
>
> No one said it is the only reason. The Illegal Aliens are being invited in
> to help facilitate lowering Americans' wealth to the lowest common
> denominator for Globalism. They want to bring about their beloved global
> level playing field. That's the new world order and America will be no
> more. Global Big Business in partnership with our? government is bringing
> about the demise of the Republic and our Constitution.
> America will be just a name and our freedoms and rights eliminated to what
> produces an efficient market. Trickle down, Free Trade etc are jokes on
> American and our Republic that many still have not gotten.
Keep all that in mind next Nov when you stand in line to choose the next
whip handler.
Second, its not *your* republic.
When people stop acting like herd members they will demand to be treated as
individuals.
== 6 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 1:00 pm
From: "Don"
"Ted" <tedorn44@hotmail.com> wrote
> Remove the stinking illegals and you will find persons willing to pick
> the crops. Just as we
> did in WW2 with millions in uniforms. Eliminating the social costs of
> these invaders would
> more than compensate for any brief inconvenience.
Couldn't help but notice you didn't mention anything at all about the people
that steal the money in the first place and give it to the so called
*illegals*.
== 7 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 1:03 pm
From: "Don"
"cloud dreamer"> wrote
> Teehee. Yeah. I saw something a few months ago in which the reporter spoke
> to a strawberry farmer who had been in the business for more than 25
> years. When he was asked if he felt bad "stealing" jobs from Americans by
> using illegal immigrants, he said that he had never ever had an American
> come to him looking for a job.
>
> The crew then went to a local town and asked some of the locals why they
> wouldn't pick strawberries and they all agreed that it doesn't pay
> enough...saying they'd have to be paid $1000 a week to pick them!!!
>
> Now, imagine what strawberries would cost with Americans picking them.
> (And of course, it doesn't just apply to strawberries).
No one would buy them of course and the business would fail and thats a
lesson contained in basic Economics 101.
Survivors of the public schools fiasco are naturally ignorant of such
things.
== 8 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 1:05 pm
From: "Don"
"Jerry Okamura"> wrote
> Tell me "who" is serious about solving the illegal immigration problem.
Can you accurately describe the problem?
You see, in order to solve a problem you must first define it precisely.
Its not possible to solve an undefined problem.
== 9 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 1:15 pm
From: cloud dreamer
Don wrote:
> "cloud dreamer"> wrote
>> Teehee. Yeah. I saw something a few months ago in which the reporter spoke
>> to a strawberry farmer who had been in the business for more than 25
>> years. When he was asked if he felt bad "stealing" jobs from Americans by
>> using illegal immigrants, he said that he had never ever had an American
>> come to him looking for a job.
>>
>> The crew then went to a local town and asked some of the locals why they
>> wouldn't pick strawberries and they all agreed that it doesn't pay
>> enough...saying they'd have to be paid $1000 a week to pick them!!!
>>
>> Now, imagine what strawberries would cost with Americans picking them.
>> (And of course, it doesn't just apply to strawberries).
>
> No one would buy them of course and the business would fail and thats a
> lesson contained in basic Economics 101.
> Survivors of the public schools fiasco are naturally ignorant of such
> things.
>
>
Insults. The sure sign of a lost argument. So typical.
..
--
We must change the way we live,
or the climate will do it for us.
== 10 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 1:49 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Don <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote
> Jerry Okamura wrote
>> Tell me "who" is serious about solving the illegal immigration problem.
> Can you accurately describe the problem?
Yep, that there are illegals in the country who arent allowed to be there.
> You see, in order to solve a problem you must first define it precisely.
Depends on the problem, that isnt necessary with most problems.
> Its not possible to solve an undefined problem.
Wrong again, some problems fix themselves. One obvious example of that
is people having too many kids. Thats fixes itself in all modern first world
countrys without any public policy, let alone actually defining the problem.
== 11 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 4:25 pm
From: Thanatos
In article <470540d8$0$4988$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> Tell me "who" is serious about solving the illegal
> immigration problem.
Tom Tancredo. He's the only one.
> And if there is someone who you think is serious about
> "solving" the problem, what is their solution?
He wrote a book called "Mortal Danger" which outlined his approach.
== 12 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 4:27 pm
From: Thanatos
In article <fe3gs80uh@news5.newsguy.com>,
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote:
> Couldn't help but notice you didn't mention anything at all
> about the people that steal the money in the first place and
> give it to the so called *illegals*.
There's nothing "so-called" about them. They broke the law to come here.
Their continued presence is a violation of law. That makes them illegal.
== 13 of 13 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 4:33 pm
From: Thanatos
In article <fe3h28013v@news5.newsguy.com>,
"Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote:
> "cloud dreamer"> wrote
> > Teehee. Yeah. I saw something a few months ago in which the reporter spoke
> > to a strawberry farmer who had been in the business for more than 25
> > years. When he was asked if he felt bad "stealing" jobs from Americans by
> > using illegal immigrants, he said that he had never ever had an American
> > come to him looking for a job.
> >
> > The crew then went to a local town and asked some of the locals why they
> > wouldn't pick strawberries and they all agreed that it doesn't pay
> > enough...saying they'd have to be paid $1000 a week to pick them!!!
> >
> > Now, imagine what strawberries would cost with Americans picking them.
> > (And of course, it doesn't just apply to strawberries).
>
> No one would buy them of course and the business would fail
> and thats a lesson contained in basic Economics 101. Survivors
> of the public schools fiasco are naturally ignorant of such
> things.
It's amazing that with attitudes like this it's the folks who favor
secure borders that are routinely branded as racist.
You're apparently arguing that the status quo must be maintained: that
there needs to be a permanent underclass populated by some group--
whether it's illegals or American citizens-- that is perpetually
exploited and paid less than the law requires, otherwise our economy
cannot survive. And since American citizens will always have the option
of reporting any attempts to undercut the minimum wage laws to the
authorities, it necessarily falls on the shoulders of the illegal "brown
people" to fill this essential niche in our society. After all if
illegals are working jobs for less than minimum wage, it's *because*
they are illegal and the employers know they have no recourse-- if they
complain to the authorities, they'll get deported so they have to just
shut up and take whatever is handed to them.
Who's the racist again?
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Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 11:06 am
From: "Jim"
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>
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>
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TOPIC: How do I know if I have good blank DVD media
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== 1 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 12:50 pm
From: Fred the Red Shirt
On Oct 4, 6:46 am, OneSolution <onesolut...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:27:37 -0000, Gary Heston wrote:
> >>HOW did you manage to delete your posting?
> >>I didn't know it could be done.
> >>For example, how would I delete THIS posting after the fact?
> >>Please tell me your genius!!!!!
>
> > It's called canceling an article; due to abuse of the function by
> > various jerks, a lot of sites no longer forward cancel messages.
>
> OK. I cancelled the posting listed above and will check tomorrow to see
> that it is deleted. Interesting. Very interesting. Thanks!
Yes, to add a little bit of information, NNTP, which is
the protocol used by Usenet, allows for "cancel" messages
which have a higher priority than normal messages.
Thus in the early days when propagation could take
days (weeks, where Usenet was propagated by magnetic
tape) the 'cancels' would catch up with and overtake the
messages being canceled. These days normal propagation
is so fast that probably most articles are fully distributed before
the cancels catch up (Just my guess). If so, then
most people will have a chance to see the article at
least for a short time before it disappears from their
server.
Like a lot of things on the internet, it is apparently trivial for
people smarter than I to forge cancels. As noted above,
for that reason, may servers will not forward cancels at
all.
--
FF
== 2 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 12:57 pm
From: Fred the Red Shirt
On Oct 3, 7:55 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fred the Red Shirt <fredfigh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 2, 8:13 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Fred the Red Shirt <fredfigh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
> >>> On Oct 2, 4:40 am, hansonfox <hansen.J....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:05:12 +0000 (UTC), -Art- (not Art) wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:18:26 -0400, TJ wrote:
> >>>>>> I want to convert avi files into DVDs
>
> >>>> DVDFlickfreewarehttp://www.dvdflick.net
>
> >>>> Just drag the AVI file onto DVD flick and it will create the DVD
> >>>> files.
>
> >>> I've been trying to useDVDFlick1.2.2.1 bluild 442 and Roxio
> >>> Build:
> >>> 2.4.32b to create a DVD from some of the Star Trek: Hidden Frontier
> >>> files after downloading them in Apple Quicktime (.mov) format.
>
> >>> I've tried creating merging a couple of the shorter episodes into
> >>> one iso file with one chapter per video source, and also tried
> >>> putting a longer one one with one chapter every ten minutes. In
> >>> both cases
> >>> I get a iso that autoplays when I open it with VLC media player.
> >>> Clicking on the VLC media player menu button does nothing and
> >>> the playlist only shows one file.
> >>> If I burn the iso file to a DVD using Roxio, it does the same thing.
> >>> What's up with that?
>
> >> You need to setup a proper menu with the two
> >> separate episodes as separate entrys in the menu.
>
> > Thanks. I'm pretty sure that I checked through all of the
> > pages under the :"Edit File" and "Project Settings" buttons,
> > and see no option to setup a menu, let alone a 'proper' one. :-)
>
> You're looking in the wrong place. With Roxio you have to
> use the correct tool which allows you to do the menus.
>
> > I also see no mention of how to setup menus in the Guide.
> > Can you point me to the feature to which you refer?
>
> With Roxio Creator 8, you use Create DVD or Quick DVD.
>
> >>> Do other users here get better results?
> >> Yep.
> > Hmm, does this mean that I have a bum version ofDVDFlick?
>
> I wasnt talking aboutDVDFlick, you need to use Roxio if you want to fiddle with menus etc.
>
> DVDFlickis intended for no menus.
IOW, when I asked "Do other people get better results"
and you ansewered "Yep". You meant "Yep--by using
ROXIO instead." Hopefully I've got it in two.
See .sig below.
--
FF
Clouseau: (Looking at dog) "Does your doggie bite?"
Clerk: "No".
Clouseau: (Reaches out to pet dog--dog nips him.)
"I thought you said you dog does not bite!"
Clerk: "That is not my dog."
== 3 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 1:32 pm
From: Kat Mandu
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
> On Oct 4, 6:46 am, OneSolution <onesolut...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:27:37 -0000, Gary Heston wrote:
>>>> HOW did you manage to delete your posting?
>>>> I didn't know it could be done.
>>>> For example, how would I delete THIS posting after the fact?
>>>> Please tell me your genius!!!!!
>>> It's called canceling an article; due to abuse of the function by
>>> various jerks, a lot of sites no longer forward cancel messages.
>> OK. I cancelled the posting listed above and will check tomorrow to see
>> that it is deleted. Interesting. Very interesting. Thanks!
>
> Yes, to add a little bit of information, NNTP, which is
> the protocol used by Usenet, allows for "cancel" messages
> which have a higher priority than normal messages.
> Thus in the early days when propagation could take
> days (weeks, where Usenet was propagated by magnetic
> tape) the 'cancels' would catch up with and overtake the
> messages being canceled. These days normal propagation
> is so fast that probably most articles are fully distributed before
> the cancels catch up (Just my guess). If so, then
> most people will have a chance to see the article at
> least for a short time before it disappears from their
> server.
>
> Like a lot of things on the internet, it is apparently trivial for
> people smarter than I to forge cancels. As noted above,
> for that reason, may servers will not forward cancels at
> all.
>
> --
>
> FF
>
Thanks for the additional info.
== 4 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 1:54 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Fred the Red Shirt <fredfighter@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On Oct 4, 6:46 am, OneSolution <onesolut...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:27:37 -0000, Gary Heston wrote:
>>>> HOW did you manage to delete your posting?
>>>> I didn't know it could be done.
>>>> For example, how would I delete THIS posting after the fact?
>>>> Please tell me your genius!!!!!
>>
>>> It's called canceling an article; due to abuse of the function by
>>> various jerks, a lot of sites no longer forward cancel messages.
>>
>> OK. I cancelled the posting listed above and will check tomorrow to
>> see that it is deleted. Interesting. Very interesting. Thanks!
>
> Yes, to add a little bit of information, NNTP, which is
> the protocol used by Usenet, allows for "cancel" messages
> which have a higher priority than normal messages.
> Thus in the early days when propagation could take
> days (weeks, where Usenet was propagated by magnetic
> tape) the 'cancels' would catch up with and overtake the
> messages being canceled. These days normal propagation
> is so fast that probably most articles are fully distributed before
> the cancels catch up (Just my guess).
The real reason that cancels dont work is because most news servers
dont honor cancels anymore, because they are so often done maliciously.
> If so, then most people will have a chance to see the article at
> least for a short time before it disappears from their server.
Most in fact continue to be available for as long
as they would have if a cancel was not issued at all.
> Like a lot of things on the internet, it is apparently trivial for
> people smarter than I to forge cancels. As noted above,
> for that reason, may servers will not forward cancels at all.
And dont honor cancels that they receive either.
== 5 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 1:57 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Fred the Red Shirt <fredfighter@spamcop.net> wrote:
> On Oct 3, 7:55 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Fred the Red Shirt <fredfigh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 2, 8:13 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Fred the Red Shirt <fredfigh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Oct 2, 4:40 am, hansonfox <hansen.J....@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:05:12 +0000 (UTC), -Art- (not Art) wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 09:18:26 -0400, TJ wrote:
>>>>>>>> I want to convert avi files into DVDs
>>
>>>>>> DVDFlickfreewarehttp://www.dvdflick.net
>>
>>>>>> Just drag the AVI file onto DVD flick and it will create the DVD
>>>>>> files.
>>
>>>>> I've been trying to useDVDFlick1.2.2.1 bluild 442 and Roxio
>>>>> Build:
>>>>> 2.4.32b to create a DVD from some of the Star Trek: Hidden
>>>>> Frontier files after downloading them in Apple Quicktime (.mov)
>>>>> format.
>>
>>>>> I've tried creating merging a couple of the shorter episodes into
>>>>> one iso file with one chapter per video source, and also tried
>>>>> putting a longer one one with one chapter every ten minutes. In
>>>>> both cases
>>>>> I get a iso that autoplays when I open it with VLC media player.
>>>>> Clicking on the VLC media player menu button does nothing and
>>>>> the playlist only shows one file.
>>>>> If I burn the iso file to a DVD using Roxio, it does the same
>>>>> thing. What's up with that?
>>
>>>> You need to setup a proper menu with the two
>>>> separate episodes as separate entrys in the menu.
>>
>>> Thanks. I'm pretty sure that I checked through all of the
>>> pages under the :"Edit File" and "Project Settings" buttons,
>>> and see no option to setup a menu, let alone a 'proper' one. :-)
>>
>> You're looking in the wrong place. With Roxio you have to
>> use the correct tool which allows you to do the menus.
>>
>>> I also see no mention of how to setup menus in the Guide.
>>> Can you point me to the feature to which you refer?
>>
>> With Roxio Creator 8, you use Create DVD or Quick DVD.
>>
>>>>> Do other users here get better results?
>>>> Yep.
>>> Hmm, does this mean that I have a bum version ofDVDFlick?
>>
>> I wasnt talking about DVDFlick, you need to use Roxio if you want to
>> fiddle with menus etc.
>>
>> DVDFlickis intended for no menus.
> IOW, when I asked "Do other people get better results" and you
> ansewered "Yep". You meant "Yep--by using ROXIO instead."
You had already mentioned Roxio yourself, so it wasnt obvious
that you meant just DVDFlick in that particular question.
> Hopefully I've got it in two.
You did.
> See .sig below.
Doesnt apply in this case.
== 6 of 6 ==
Date: Thurs, Oct 4 2007 3:20 pm
From: "Gary R. Schmidt"
Fred the Red Shirt wrote:
[SNIP}
> for that reason, may servers will not forward cancels at
> all.
It's not just that cancel messages aren't forwarded, it's that they
aren't acted on when they are received.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
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