Friday, October 5, 2007

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* Ron Paul... - 5 messages, 5 authors
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* Bush To Let Illegal Aliens Get $40 Digital TV Coupons - 10 messages, 7
authors
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* FREE COUPONS FROM SHOPPING-UNIVERSE.NET!!! - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Wholesale Nike Sneakers,Jordan,adidas,puma.bape nike air force Sneakers - 1
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* ( www.sneakers-wholesale.com ) Good quality nike shoes jeans hats - 1
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* How do I know if I have good blank DVD media - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Earnmoney using PAYPAL - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Cheap perosnla checks to order? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Online Downloads Ringtones - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Friday freebies-shampoo, perfume - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Update on installing kitchen cabinets from China - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Thermostats for baseboard heaters? - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Ron Paul...
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 8:07 am
From: Benj

<h> wrote:

> > Libertarians are much like the Celtic warriors hired by the English kings
> > of old; fierce, brave, loyal as hell. You just don't want them actually
> > running things.
>
> Why? Because they actually expect people to be responsible for themselves?

Well, yeah. You know. Shit happens. The problem is society, not
criminals. It's all about racism and antisemitism. It's about
homophobia and reaching under a stall and being misunderstood.. It's
about the poor being abused and "immigrants" being discriminated
against. It's about crime caused by citizens having "easy access" to
guns and taxes caused by the other party. People aren't responsible
for events. It's just the times we live in, right?

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 8:44 am
From: ray


On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:20:07 -0700, aaaaaaaadftdfgdfgdfgdfgdgdf wrote:

> Has never voted to raise taxes.
> Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
> Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
> Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
> Has never taken a government-paid junket.
> Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
> Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
> Returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
> U.S. treasury every year.
> Voted against the Patriot Act.
> Voted against the Iraq war.
>
> http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Sounds pretty negative to me. What HAS he done.


== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 9:07 am
From: "Bob F"

"Benj" <bjacoby@iwaynet.net> wrote in message
news:1191596869.480511.128740@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> It's about
> homophobia and reaching under a stall and being misunderstood..

Unless you already have a history of such behavior. Suddenly, it's not
"misunderstood".

Bob


== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 9:49 am
From: jJim McLaughlin


is supported by an asshole anonymous spammer and apparently
condones Usenet abuse as a campaign tactic.


== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 10:06 am
From: Michael Ejercito


On Oct 5, 8:44 am, ray <r...@zianet.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:20:07 -0700, aaaaaaaadftdfgdfgdfgdfgdgdf wrote:
> > Has never voted to raise taxes.
> > Has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
> > Has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
> > Has never voted to raise congressional pay.
> > Has never taken a government-paid junket.
> > Has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.
> > Does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
> > Returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the
> > U.S. treasury every year.
> > Voted against the Patriot Act.
> > Voted against the Iraq war.
>
> >http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
>
> Sounds pretty negative to me. What HAS he done.
So then you support raising taxes, unbalanced budgets, federal
restrictions on gun ownership, congressional pay raises, government-
paid junkets, increasing the power of the executive branch, the
Patriot Act, and the Iraq War?

Those who oppose all of these things should vote for Paul. Those
who oppose even MOST of those things should vote for Paul.


Michael


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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 8:45 am
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid


In article <atropos-B64857.23154704102007@news.giganews.com>,
Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <bearclaw-5DE6A6.20571204102007@news.supernews.com>,
> bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
>
> > "Illegal immigrant" means brown Mexican.
>
> No, it means anyone who enters the country contrary to law.

Naturally, the fact that the "illegal" immigrants you speak of are all
brown Mexicans somehow doesn't bear scrutiny. Like the elephant in the
living room.

> I know that it's currently in vogue among leftists to shut down any
> discussion of this issue by screaming "racism!" the moment anyone
> brings it up (because everyone in this country has been conditioned
> to be hysterically afraid of being labeled a racist, whether it's
> true or not)

Thus far, the only screamers I ever hear are those pushing the issue on
TV, radio and Usenet.

> but we're not falling for it any more.

You and the mouse in your pocket? Or do you have some kind of
organization?

> Every single country on the planet controls its borders.

Including the United States. Just because your impulses aren't being
fulfilled doesn't mean there is no control.

> Why is the US the only country on earth that's expected to just throw
> open the gates and hope for the best?

What hope? Look closely at the EU and see how well they control *their*
borders. Look at Pakistan, Iraq; Iraq and Turkey, Iraq and Iran.

What countries are you talking about who control their borders so well?

In fact, the *only* nations in the world who control their borders the
way you want are the ones with the iron-fisted despots in charge, who
control their borders as much to imprison their own as to keep others
out. If that's the kind of nation you want the US to become, expect a
little resistance.

> Hell, Mexico itself has the toughest and strictest immigration laws
> in the Western Hemisphere.

I wouldn't know about that, I don't live there. If it is true (and as I
said previously, I don't trust any of the information given on this
issue), then it seems highly ironic given Mexico's puny desirability as
an immigration destination and their corrupt infrastructure.

> It's amazing how every time anyone in America
> tries to either enforce our current law or pass tougher new laws,
> everyone from guys like you to the elites in Mexico City starts
> screeching "Racism!" like a whipped harridan. Why is it racist for
> the USA to control its border but its not racist for Mexico to
> control theirs?

I don't know anyone who is amazed by it except for those who can't see
past their noses, but then they are the ones who are amazed when they
walk into lamp posts, too. If you admitted you don't like brown people,
I would be much more inclined to hear you out before dismissing you out
of hand.

> Well, that and the fact that they BROKE THE LAW.

So did the numerous people driving 90 on my local freeway yesterday.
Does that make them illegal drivers? Each of those individual speeders
presented a greater and more immediate risk than practically any
undocumented foreigner. The economic result of their behavior is clearly
recorded by numerous sources. Where is the outcry for enforcement? Where
is the outrage over the needless costs to society? Oh, right. Most of
them are middle class, if not white, and bad driving is not likely to
ever become a populist issue sufficient to win elections.

> You seem to be a subscriber to a peculiar mindset I've seen elsewhere,
> regarding other issues of crime and law enforcement, which says that if
> enough minorities choose to break a given law, society is no longer
> morally allowed to enforce that law because it becomes de facto "unfair"
> to those minorities and anyone who does try and enforce it becomes a
> racist per se.

Wow, you sure nailed me. You are as perceptive in your personal
apprehension as in your political view.

== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 9:29 am
From: Audie Murphy's Ghost


In article <atropos-219FF0.06424405102007@news.giganews.com>, Thanatos
<atropos@mac.com> wrote:

> In article <051020070215029051%takebackamerica@2008.com>,
> Audie Murphy's Ghost <takebackamerica@2008.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <atropos-B64857.23154704102007@news.giganews.com>, Thanatos
> > <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <bearclaw-5DE6A6.20571204102007@news.supernews.com>,
> > > bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Illegal immigrant" means brown Mexican.
> > >
> > > No, it means anyone who enters the country contrary to law.
> > >
> > > I know that it's currently in vogue among leftists to shut down any
> > > discussion of this issue by screaming "racism!" the moment anyone brings
> > > it up (because everyone in this country has been conditioned to be
> > > hysterically afraid of being labeled a racist, whether it's true or not)
> > > but we're not falling for it any more.
> >
> >
> > I have never, not once, heard any of you Mexican-bashers say anything
> > about illegal immigration by Canadians, Irish (or any other Western
> > Europeans), or pretty much anybody that's white and has some money.
>
> Well, now you have. An illegal Irish or Canadian or Australian alien
> should be scooped up and kicked out of the country just like any other
> illegal alien.

Too damn late, Thanny. Anyway, in five minutes this'll be all about
Mexicans again.

> > There are plenty of them here -- so when, pray tell, were the
> > hysterical roundups of barmaids working the night shift in Queens?
>
> If they're illegal, they should be rounded up today.

They're not. That's the damn point.

== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 9:49 am
From: Vic Smith


On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 06:42:44 -0400, Thanatos <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <051020070215029051%takebackamerica@2008.com>,
> Audie Murphy's Ghost <takebackamerica@2008.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <atropos-B64857.23154704102007@news.giganews.com>, Thanatos
>> <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>> > In article <bearclaw-5DE6A6.20571204102007@news.supernews.com>,
>> > bearclaw@cruller.invalid wrote:
>> >
>> > > "Illegal immigrant" means brown Mexican.
>> >
>> > No, it means anyone who enters the country contrary to law.
>> >
>> > I know that it's currently in vogue among leftists to shut down any
>> > discussion of this issue by screaming "racism!" the moment anyone brings
>> > it up (because everyone in this country has been conditioned to be
>> > hysterically afraid of being labeled a racist, whether it's true or not)
>> > but we're not falling for it any more.
>>
>>
>> I have never, not once, heard any of you Mexican-bashers say anything
>> about illegal immigration by Canadians, Irish (or any other Western
>> Europeans), or pretty much anybody that's white and has some money.
>
>Well, now you have. An illegal Irish or Canadian or Australian alien
>should be scooped up and kicked out of the country just like any other
>illegal alien.
>
That will probably be perceived as a racist lie.
Don't expect people who can't see past complexion to believe you.

>> There are plenty of them here -- so when, pray tell, were the
>> hysterical roundups of barmaids working the night shift in Queens?
>
>If they're illegal, they should be rounded up today.

My wife just told me a neighbor's house is for sale. He was an
illegal from Poland, his wife left him and went back there, and
reported him to the ICE. He was deported to Poland.
Good for ICE. None in this thread will complain about me saying that,
of course.
After all, he has the right complexion to qualify for deportation.
Having grown up and worked with people of many ethnicities, including
Mexican-Americans, I've got a good nose for racism and prejudice.
Those looking at this as a "racial" issue instead of a
border/economics issue, and accusing others of racism pretty well
reveal their hearts; only blatant racists. latent racists, or those
guilt-ridden about race and who can not see beyond race constantly
dwell on race, or invoke race when it suits their paranoia.
Those throwing down the race card in this thread are mostly sadly
reminiscent of those well-off socialites Tom Wolfe wrote about in
Radical Chic, who when entertaining the Black Panthers
dismissed the black help for the night and hired white looking Latinos
to serve the canapes.
Of course the penurious sods here just want Mexicans to cheaply mow
their damn lawns. They're too fucking white to do that themselves.
And these cheap asses call others racists just to justify continued
neat lawns and low strawberry prices! Pure dittybags.
And then there are those race-to-the-bottom free market capitalist
scum who are too busy thinking of how to score an extra buck to even
bother with race. GWB and Chambers of Commerce fit in well here.
BTW, I've seen figures that about half of Mexican-Americans oppose
illegal immigration. God damn racists.

--Vic

== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 10:45 am
From: "copeab@yahoo.com"


On Oct 5, 10:45 am, bearc...@cruller.invalid wrote:
> In article <atropos-B64857.23154704102...@news.giganews.com>,
>
> Thanatos <atro...@mac.com> wrote:
> > In article <bearclaw-5DE6A6.20571204102...@news.supernews.com>,
> > bearc...@cruller.invalid wrote:
>
> > > "Illegal immigrant" means brown Mexican.
>
> > No, it means anyone who enters the country contrary to law.
>
> Naturally, the fact that the "illegal" immigrants you speak of are all
> brown Mexicans somehow doesn't bear scrutiny. Like the elephant in the
> living room.

Given tha they vastly outnumber illegal white Canadians, why shouldn't
the talk about them be greater?

> > Hell, Mexico itself has the toughest and strictest immigration laws
> > in the Western Hemisphere.
>
> I wouldn't know about that, I don't live there. If it is true (and as I
> said previously, I don't trust any of the information given on this
> issue), then it seems highly ironic given Mexico's puny desirability as
> an immigration destination and their corrupt infrastructure.

Given the conditions in several Central and South American countries,
Mexico is practially a paradise.

> > You seem to be a subscriber to a peculiar mindset I've seen elsewhere,
> > regarding other issues of crime and law enforcement, which says that if
> > enough minorities choose to break a given law, society is no longer
> > morally allowed to enforce that law because it becomes de facto "unfair"
> > to those minorities and anyone who does try and enforce it becomes a
> > racist per se.
>
> Wow, you sure nailed me. You are as perceptive in your personal
> apprehension as in your political view.

Brandon

== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 10:48 am
From: "copeab@yahoo.com"


On Oct 5, 6:40 am, "Don" <one-if-by-l...@concord.com> wrote:
> <cop...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1191577694.935423.31360@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Oct 5, 2:09 am, Rob Jensen <ShutUp...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:36:09 -0230, cloud dreamer
>
> >> <Global_Warm...@is.real> wrote:
> >> >Funny how guys like Bill will whine over illegal immigrants but is happy
> >> >to buy cheap strawberries made possible only by their labour. I doubt
> >> >he'd be willing to bend over and pick in the hot sun for their wages.
>
> >> Well, my thing as a flaming liberal wouldn't be to slam the illegal
> >> immigrants with any more penalties.
>
> > I'd be happy to see existing penalties imposed.
>
> Seing people penalized for crossing imaginary lines on a globe would make
> you *happy*?

Yes.

I guess you wouldn't mind people wandering into you backyard, since
your property lines are only imaginary.

Brandon

== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 11:10 am
From: Rob Jensen


On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 10:24:08 -0230, cloud dreamer
<Global_Warming@is.real> wrote:

>Rob Jensen wrote:
>> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:36:09 -0230, cloud dreamer
>> <Global_Warming@is.real> wrote:
>>
>>> Funny how guys like Bill will whine over illegal immigrants but is happy
>>> to buy cheap strawberries made possible only by their labour. I doubt
>>> he'd be willing to bend over and pick in the hot sun for their wages.
>>
>> Well, my thing as a flaming liberal wouldn't be to slam the illegal
>> immigrants with any more penalties. The only thing to do is to go
>> after the real lawbreakers
>
>
>Then you need to start at the top and export George to The Hague.

OK! Let's do it! Well, the ICC will drag him, Cheney, Rumsfeld and
Gonzales off to trials for their War Crimes sooner or later. So in a
sense, I'm just waiting to break out the beer and popcorn and get
ready for the inevitable drinking game.

-- Rob
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.

== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 11:10 am
From: Rob Jensen


On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 07:36:52 -0400, "Don" <one-if-by-land@concord.com>
wrote:

>"Rob Jensen"> wrote
>> The only thing to do is to go
>> after the real lawbreakers -- those people that exploit their
>> willingness to do labor for cheap,
>
>If the so called *illegals* are willing to work for what you seem to believe
>are cheap wages, how is that any of anyone elses business?

Because it's the corporations that are exploiting them and thereby the
*real* thiefs of our jobs -- and THAT ^^^ is ^^^ our business.

-- Rob
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.

== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 11:53 am
From: "Rod Speed"


FDR <nospam@asdfkdskkl.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Don <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote
>>> Jerry Okamura wrote

>>>> Tell me "who" is serious about solving the illegal immigration problem.

>>> Can you accurately describe the problem?

>> Yep, that there are illegals in the country who arent allowed to be there.

> Why?

Because they have decided that its better than the country they came from.

>>> You see, in order to solve a problem you must first define it precisely.

>> Depends on the problem, that isnt necessary with most problems.

>>> Its not possible to solve an undefined problem.

>> Wrong again, some problems fix themselves. One obvious example of that is people having too many kids. Thats fixes
>> itself in all modern first world countrys without any public policy, let alone actually defining the problem.

> Can you tell that to the Chinese?

No need, they worked that out for themselves and realised that china isnt a
first world country and that that problem wouldnt fix itself there any time soon.

It did work fine in Singapore tho.


== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 12:37 pm
From: bearclaw@cruller.invalid


In article <b7qcg316rrqfhdmgud6gpg2ui2b67spk0q@4ax.com>,
Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:

> My wife just told me a neighbor's house is for sale. He was an
> illegal from Poland, his wife left him and went back there, and
> reported him to the ICE. He was deported to Poland.
> Good for ICE. None in this thread will complain about me saying that,
> of course.

Let's have a little backstory on this, eh? With more than just a
self-serving anecdote, maybe there will be protests over his treatment.

You know, OTOH, if he was a guard at Buchenwald, Stuthoff or Auschwitz,
then no, you will not likely hear anyone defend him.

Glad something cheered you up, anyway.

Here's something else to cheer you up: when Mexican immigrants are
reported to ICE, they are usually sent back too. The mexicans even have
a name for it: la migra.

There now. Isn't that just great to know how egalitarian are our laws
regarding immigration? And here you thought immigration was only good
for ad hominem arguments, insulting, cursing and wishing ill on your
fellow citizens with opinions different and perhaps more informed than
you. Wouldn't it be great if you could deport them, too? Maybe someone
will write a law. Maybe Tancredo.

== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 12:41 pm
From: FDR


Rod Speed wrote:
> FDR <nospam@asdfkdskkl.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Don <one-if-by-land@concord.com> wrote
>>>> Jerry Okamura wrote
>
>>>>> Tell me "who" is serious about solving the illegal immigration problem.
>
>>>> Can you accurately describe the problem?
>
>>> Yep, that there are illegals in the country who arent allowed to be there.
>
>> Why?
>
> Because they have decided that its better than the country they came from.

I mean, why is it illegal? Other than paying taxes and alleging some
oath which means diddly anyway, what's the difference?


>
>>>> You see, in order to solve a problem you must first define it precisely.
>
>>> Depends on the problem, that isnt necessary with most problems.
>
>>>> Its not possible to solve an undefined problem.
>
>>> Wrong again, some problems fix themselves. One obvious example of that is people having too many kids. Thats fixes
>>> itself in all modern first world countrys without any public policy, let alone actually defining the problem.
>
>> Can you tell that to the Chinese?
>
> No need, they worked that out for themselves and realised that china isnt a
> first world country and that that problem wouldnt fix itself there any time soon.
>
> It did work fine in Singapore tho.
>
>


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TOPIC: Wholesale Nike Sneakers,Jordan,adidas,puma.bape nike air force Sneakers
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/77edc194eea63661?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 9:40 am
From: linda.ch26@hotmail.com


Dear sir or madam,
we accept paypal We are the one of the biggest suppliers in China for
shoes and
clothing our website:1.http://www.nikekickcoo.com MSN&E-
mail:nikebran...@hotmail.com and nikebran...@yahoo.com &We sell all
kinds of brand shoes,as belows,
&Nike:Shox(TN,TL,NZ,oz,R3,R4,Turbo,Ride)//max James(1-4)//Dunk//
Kobe//
Jordan(1-22)//Airforce1//&Adidas:TMC//Coloradidas//Goodyear&Puma///
Gucci///Prade///Timberland///Bapestar/// &&We also sell brand
clothes,
we sell many kinds of clothes,as below: bape,
bbc,arfuldodger,coogi,LRG ,evisu,lacoste,polo,adhardy.LRG,abercrombie,replay ,seven,citizenso,humanity,antik,rock&republic..... ..
all of our products are with Original box, card, label, No matter
where you are in the world, you can order all these goods in very
minimum quantity and receive it very and fast and safety. Pls feel
free to contact us.
hongfeng trade co,.ltd www.nikekickcoo.com


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TOPIC: ( www.sneakers-wholesale.com ) Good quality nike shoes jeans hats
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/411579ce03e9a163?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 9:44 am
From: linda.ch26@hotmail.com


Dear sir or madam,
we accept paypal We are the one of the biggest suppliers in China for
shoes and
clothing our website:1.http://www.nikekickcoo.com MSN&E-
mail:nikebran...@hotmail.com and nikebran...@yahoo.com &We sell all
kinds of brand shoes,as belows,
&Nike:Shox(TN,TL,NZ,oz,R3,R4,Turbo,Ride)//max James(1-4)//Dunk//
Kobe//
Jordan(1-22)//Airforce1//&Adidas:TMC//Coloradidas//Goodyear&Puma///
Gucci///Prade///Timberland///Bapestar/// &&We also sell brand
clothes,
we sell many kinds of clothes,as below: bape,
bbc,arfuldodger,coogi,LRG ,evisu,lacoste,polo,adhardy.LRG,abercrombie,replay ,seven,citizenso,humanity,antik,rock&republic..... ..
all of our products are with Original box, card, label, No matter
where you are in the world, you can order all these goods in very
minimum quantity and receive it very and fast and safety. Pls feel
free to contact us.
hongfeng trade co,.ltd www.nikekickcoo.com


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TOPIC: How do I know if I have good blank DVD media
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/6b4db90d576019f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 10:25 am
From: Fred the Red Shirt


On Oct 4, 8:54 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> Fred the Red Shirt <fredfigh...@spamcop.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Oct 4, 6:46 am, OneSolution <onesolut...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 03:27:37 -0000, Gary Heston wrote:
> >>>> HOW did you manage to delete your posting?
> >>>> I didn't know it could be done.
> >>>> For example, how would I delete THIS posting after the fact?
> >>>> Please tell me your genius!!!!!
>
> >>> It's called canceling an article; due to abuse of the function by
> >>> various jerks, a lot of sites no longer forward cancel messages.
>
> >> OK. I cancelled the posting listed above and will check tomorrow to
> >> see that it is deleted. Interesting. Very interesting. Thanks!
>
> > Yes, to add a little bit of information, NNTP, which is
> > the protocol used by Usenet, allows for "cancel" messages
> > which have a higher priority than normal messages.
> > Thus in the early days when propagation could take
> > days (weeks, where Usenet was propagated by magnetic
> > tape) the 'cancels' would catch up with and overtake the
> > messages being canceled. These days normal propagation
> > is so fast that probably most articles are fully distributed before
> > the cancels catch up (Just my guess).
>
> The real reason that cancels dont work is because most news servers
> dont honor cancels anymore, because they are so often done maliciously.

The real reason I wrote the paragraph above was to provide a bit
of historical perspective perspective, not to explain why cancels
don't work.

>
> > If so, then most people will have a chance to see the article at
> > least for a short time before it disappears from their server.
>
> Most in fact continue to be available for as long
> as they would have if a cancel was not issued at all.

Probably so. Google, at least, honors cancels that originate
with Google's Usenet interface.

>
> > Like a lot of things on the internet, it is apparently trivial for
> > people smarter than I to forge cancels. As noted above,
> > for that reason, may servers will not forward cancels at all.
>
> And don't honor cancels that they receive either.

Ah yes, quite so.

--

FF


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TOPIC: Earnmoney using PAYPAL
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/7073d20a1aa6c0f0?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 11:05 am
From: getagripp@gmail.com


As Seen On OPRAH & 20/20 - TURN $6 into $24600

Earnmoney using PAYPAL


1) An email address
2) A PayPal account
3) $6.00


THIS IS A 2007, CURRENT EMAIL LIST
I decided to give this one a shot...
Especially since the so called "risk" is only $6.00. Anyway, only
hours after implementing this exact system I about fell out of my
chair
asmoneyACTUALLY started
rolling in. I couldn't believe it.


This system is THE legit and profitable one. Here is how it works...
There is a list of 6 email addresses. When someone new
comes along he/she removes #1 off of the list, moves
the other five email addresses up one position (i.e. #6 goes to #5,
#5
to #4, etc.),and places their PayPal email address in the #6
position.


Honesty and Integrity creates Profitability. Following
this EXACT process is what creates themoney. Altering the system
creates weak
of course
creating a mailing list, and a "service" is being provided
Now on to how your $6.00 creates BIGmoney...


INSTRUCTIONS:
STEP 1:
The first thing to do is highlight and SAVE this entire post on your
computer so you
can come back to it later.
After that, if you are not already a PayPal user you need to go to
the
PayPal website at https://www.paypal.com... and SIGN UP.
If you want to be able to receive credit card payments from other
people
then you will need to sign up for a PREMIER or BUSINESS account (not
just a
PERSONAL
account).
In order to place the initial $6 into your account, you will
have to verify your bank account with PAYPAL. and is used STEP 2:
Here is where the action occurs. The first thing to do is to send a
$1.00 payment to each of the 6 email addresses on the current list
from
your PayPal account. To do this follow these simple steps:


1. Login to PayPal and click on the "SendMoney" tab near the top of
the
screen
2. In the "Recipient's Email" field enter the email address
3. In the "Amount" field enter "1" (This is your $1.00 payment)
4. In the "Category" field select "Service" (Keeping it legal)
5. In the "Subject" field type "EMAIL LIST", and in the "NOTE" field
enter "PLEASE PUT ME ON YOUR EMAIL LIST". By doing this, you are
creating a service
and maintaining the legality of the system by "paying" for the
service.
6. Finally, click on the "Continue" button to complete the payment.
Repeat these steps for each of the 6 email addresses. That's it!
Here
is the current
e-mail list:


*************************************************


1) smudger@hotmail.co.uk
2) gregory8@yahoo.com
3) ca595@wcupa.edu
4) rose@adelphia.net
5) davincifan@gmail.com
6) getagripp@hotmail.com
************************************************


STEP 2:
Now take the #1 email off of the list that you see above (from your
saved file), move the other addresses up and add YOUR email address
(the one used for your PayPal account) as number 6 on the list.
This is the only part of the document that should be changed.


STEP 3:
Post your amended article to at least 200 newsgroups or message
boards. I've began to see money roll in before I even hit 100 posts,
but try to hit around 200 to allow maximum exposure.
I'm not going to say this is going to make everyone over $800,000,
but within a few WEEKS you begin to see results, thanks to the speed
of the internet!
Follow the system as described, and enjoy your PROFITS!!!
REMEMBER... HONESTY AND INTEGRITY = PROFITABILITY
Good luck!


easy money just follow the directions
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
TURN $6 INTO THOUSANDS AS SEEN ON OPRAH...HERE'S HOW....


**Proven by various, highly-respected U.S. TV and Radio programs as
being 100% legal, feasible and true.**
**Oprah Winfrey and ABC's investigation team 20/20 also prove it can
be done.***


Note from PayPal:


**Dear Member, it has come to our attention that there is a paypal
scheme floating around at the moment you may have heard or seen the
$6 scheme. You may have even taken part in it well we have been asked
a
lot of questions about this scheme, the answer is yes, it does work
and, yes it is safe to use providing you follow the rules, it is
legaland has made a big hit on the internet this year. If you would
like
to take part in this scheme or would like a bit more information,
then
please see the attached file that was kindly donated to us. Thank you
for using PayPal!**


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TOPIC: Cheap perosnla checks to order?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8ca197d343a4a408?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 11:37 am
From: "arkienurse"


I have been ordering from checks in the mail for years. Pretty reasonable
prices, depending on what you want on the checks. But I haven't had to
order checks in 2 years because most of my bills are paid online now. And
my debit card at wally world and the grocery store.

http://secure.checksinthemail.com/


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TOPIC: Online Downloads Ringtones
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/fb3620805f49d57f?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 11:39 am
From: DevBasic Marketing Support


Download your ringtones, poly tones, mono tones, wallpapers, themes,
java games and more.
Their high-quality games are compatible to the latest phone
models. . .

Read more. . .

http://www.bannerclicks.devbasic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=23&Itemid=39


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TOPIC: Friday freebies-shampoo, perfume
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/44db0022057a19f1?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 11:41 am
From: Tree


Check out our weekly freebies some good stuff~ shampoo, perfume,
recipe book

http://budgetdial.blogspot.com/2007/10/freebie-friday-and-coupons.html


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TOPIC: Update on installing kitchen cabinets from China
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8e261cfd209cb855?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 12:03 pm
From: Dennis


On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 09:56:15 -0400, hchickpea@hotmail.com wrote:

>Our home will have the cabinets and counter pre-installed, but we've
>been appliance shopping and spent the full discretionary limit on good
>appliances. Snagged a SS Jenn-air five burner gas cooktop/electric
>double oven with convection on a closeout for $500 less than regular
>price. That puppy has got to weigh 300 lbs.

Sounds similar to what we have. We have separate Jenn-air gas cooktop
on an island and wall-mounted double electric oven. I like the five
burner setup because it gives enough spacing on the burners to have
four large pots going at the same time and still allow top-mounted
controls. All the other residential-level four burner cooktops that
we looked at had the burners squeezed too closely together. And of
course, the commercial-level units are a big step up in price.

One of the ovens had a short in an element right out of the box (kept
tripping the breaker), but the retailer took care of it and we haven't
had any other problems in 9 years of use.

We run our cooktop on propane. The burners on our unit have a less
robust range of flame than I would prefer. However, there is an
adjustment on each burner control (under the knob). So I setup one
burner to allow a very low flame to use for gentle simmering (but a
smaller flame on the High setting), with the others set to allow a
larger flame at full open. With five burners, it hasn't been a
problem.


>I'm now in the process of fabricating the parts for the 24' x 32'
>greenhouse that I've drawn out. Hopefully, the design will work. If
>it does, it is pretty neat, if I do say so myself. I have to redeem
>myself in Mrs. Chickpea's eyes, after the fantastic potting bench Gary
>Heston made for her.

Amen, brother. I could use a little redemption in my own Mrs.
(evil)'s eyes, since, to my embarassment, her spiffy greenhouse kit
still sits unassembled in the box it was delivered in last spring. So
many projects, so little time...


Dennis (evil)
--
I'm a hands-on, footloose, knee-jerk head case. -George Carlin


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TOPIC: Thermostats for baseboard heaters?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/68b116ad5d173b2c?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Fri, Oct 5 2007 12:38 pm
From: skybearer@gmail.com


We have Cadet baseboard heaters with the knob thermostats. We don't
like them because it's hard to know what temperature you're setting
them to auto-cycle at.

We're thinking of either getting wall thermostats or Cadet Smart-Base
digital thermostats that plug directly into the heater. The Smart-Base
are $50 versus $10 for the wall thermostats (which are knob rather
than digital), but you don't have to cut a hole in the wall (or pay an
electrician to do this, which is what we're planning to do).

Does anyone have any experience with the Smart-Base digitals? Is the
higher price worth it?

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