Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 13 topics

Saturday, November 10, 2007

25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

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TOPIC: Increase your sexual energy and penis size.Free shipping
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:06 am
From: swtlady

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TOPIC: Who has second freezer to save on groceries?
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:25 am
From: varois83

We are considering buying a second side by side refrigerator/freezer
to take advantage of meat/fish/frozen veggies sales.
Also wife needs more fridge room.
I have calculated that it could pay for itself in 1 year(Including
electricity) as we can't take advantage of grocerie store sales right
now as we would want to.
Example chicken cutlets most of the time regular at $4.99 lb but they
do go on sale for $1.99 lb but we can't stock up.
To buy 30 lb of these would roughly be $150 at $4.99 lb and $60 at
$1.99 lb, that is a saving of $90 just on that.
A month ago the wife came home with packages of salmon on sale for
$1.99 lb regular was $8.99 lb, she bought 4 packages but she would
have stocked up if we had the freezer.
Frozen veggies do go on sale too.
We are looking at a Maytag, energy efficient with ice maker, 26 cub
feet.
Does anyone here do that and what has your experience/savings been?

Thanks a lot

Patrick

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 11:19 am
From: "AllEmailDeletedImmediately"

"varois83" <varois83@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:1194715500.186952.112120@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> Hi
>
> We are considering buying a second side by side refrigerator/freezer
> to take advantage of meat/fish/frozen veggies sales.
> Also wife needs more fridge room.
> I have calculated that it could pay for itself in 1 year(Including
> electricity) as we can't take advantage of grocerie store sales right
> now as we would want to.
> Example chicken cutlets most of the time regular at $4.99 lb but they
> do go on sale for $1.99 lb but we can't stock up.
> To buy 30 lb of these would roughly be $150 at $4.99 lb and $60 at
> $1.99 lb, that is a saving of $90 just on that.
> A month ago the wife came home with packages of salmon on sale for
> $1.99 lb regular was $8.99 lb, she bought 4 packages but she would
> have stocked up if we had the freezer.
> Frozen veggies do go on sale too.
> We are looking at a Maytag, energy efficient with ice maker, 26 cub
> feet.
> Does anyone here do that and what has your experience/savings been?

i have an upright freezer. i buy my beef by the side.

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TOPIC: Natural Arthritis Treatment.FREE SHIPPING!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:31 am
From: swtlady

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TOPIC: Looking for a reasonably priced electric blanket
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 9:46 am
From: Jeff

Don K wrote:

> "Jeff" <dont_bug_me@all.uk> wrote in message news:13jbbcm63q1bpc4@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>Don K wrote:
>>
>>>"Jon v Leipzig" <JVL@myday.com> wrote in message news:47317AA2.2040004@myday.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Electric blankets create a magnetic field that penetrates about 6-7 inches into the
>>>>body.
>>>
>>>It only penetrates 6 or 7 inches? What is stopping the field?
>>
>>Not stopping the magnetic field but cancelling it. The closer the wires are together the
>>shorter the distance before it's field is cancelled by an opposing field. Much as the
>>reason why twisted pairs are used in data lines (to prevent induced voltages from
>>outside fields).
>
>
> I understand that, but I was nit-picking over the choice of words. The field is
> strongest close in , but it extends out forever. It might make sense to talk about
> the distance at which the field falls below ambient intensity, but the word
> "penetrate" is somewhat misleading IMO.

That makes sense. Particularly since you have a reputation to know
these things!
>
>
>>Newer PTC electric blankets have very low magnetic fields, but I do not know what the
>>actual standards are on current blankets. I had thought reduced fields were mandated (in
>>the US) but I can't find evidence of that.
>
>
> From what I read in IEEE Explorer, PTC does work well to cancel fields,
> but one of the federal regulating agencies won't approve its use in blankets
> because there's a potential for higher leakage current.

I'm not quite sure what to make of that. On the surface it sounds
like a government agency is doing it's job. But given the overall
climate of mission change these last years I wonder what the real reason is.

Jeff
>
> Don
>
>

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 1:39 pm
From: WaterBoy

.
you got 8 years use out of it;
think of it as an investment;
don't be too frugal on this long term investment

over the last 35 years,
i've been through 2 electric blankets

waterboy

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TOPIC: New boot disk - What freeware to reinstall (here is my list, for
starters)
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 10:00 am
From: throwitout

On Nov 7, 10:14 am, bealoid <sig...@bealoid.co.uk> wrote:
> Erica Eshoo <evesunf...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in news:zj%Xi.2580$RR6.979
> @newssvr22.news.prodigy.net:
>
> [snip]
>
> > May I ask:
> > What does either WinRar or WinZip payware do that IZArc freeware doesn't?
>
> I thought that WinRAR was the only software that could create rar archives.
> But I could be wrong.

True. However Tugzip (which has full support of Zip, 7-zip, etc)
includes unrar support. And you can drop in rar.exe from a rar
installation and get compression support. The shareware WinRAR will
work, and it won't give any nag screens. Of course this is all
strictly hypothetical since using any part of WinRAR past the 30 day
trial is against the agreement.

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TOPIC: Comcast - drop cable TV but keep Internet?
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 10:30 am
From: Logan Shaw

> You will never get a straight answer out of Comcast. Your best bet is to
> totally drop Comcast and sign up with a DSL provider or Verizon FIOS (if
> available).

When I hear that you can't ever get a straight answer about price from
someone, I tend to think that means the price is negotiate. Sure, it
might just be that you can't get an answer because their customer service
is a pain in all areas, but it might also be that they are playing a
pricing game with you. Or to put it another way, they won't tell you
the price because are participating in setting the price.

The good news is, maybe you can look at this as more of an opportunity
than an annoyance. If they are playing pricing games, it means you
can possibly turn the tables, take control of the process, and get them
to lower your price.

I managed to get this to happen with my cable company (Time-Warner).
I had been paying $140 for a package with digital cable TV, internet,
and phone with unlimited long distance. I was planning to go 100%
cell phone, so I called them up and simply said I wanted to drop the
phone part of my service. They decided to try for a "save", and they
offered me the exact same services for $122. I took it.

In your case, I'd be tempted to research the competition for internet
service. DSL is probably about $20/month, so I'd find out how much
it really is, then call the cable company and tell them you want to
shut off your entire service (since you don't care that much about the
analog cable TV part). I bet they will give a straight answer at
that point. ;-)

- Logan

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 1:57 pm
From: timeOday

catalpa wrote:
> "timeOday" <timeOday-UNSPAM@theknack.net> wrote in message
> news:kICdncmkVYI1zajanZ2dnUVZ_gSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> I spent about 20 minutes searching the web this evening and could NOT
>> determine how much it would end up costing me per month if I drop my
>> (analog) cable TV and just get Internet. It's very frustrating they
>> won't just give straight answers.
>>
>> Anybody know? Or does it totally depend on how much competition they
>> have in each city?
>
> You will never get a straight answer out of Comcast. Your best bet is to
> totally drop Comcast and sign up with a DSL provider or Verizon FIOS (if
> available).

I tried to look into that, but found the phone companies at least
equally deceptive. I could neither get an actual price, nor how much
bandwidth I would get. They'll happily quote you "a" price, but it
doesn't include a million different taxes and fees, or even the ISP
service you might have to buy over the DSL line itself, and it requires
you have home phone service from them (which I don't - Vonage). Even
finding the regular monthly rate after the teaser expires can be almost
impossible. The phone company's own website wanted my SSN before
quoting a price! Yes, they demanded my SSN.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:40 pm
From: Jeff

timeOday wrote:
> I spent about 20 minutes searching the web this evening and could NOT
> determine how much it would end up costing me per month if I drop my
> (analog) cable TV and just get Internet. It's very frustrating they
> won't just give straight answers.
>
> Anybody know? Or does it totally depend on how much competition they
> have in each city?

Several months ago this was about $60.

Jeff

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TOPIC: Frugal Home Remedy Questions / Thoughts
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 10:42 am
From: "Rod Speed"

TH O <tho@tho.23.invalid> wrote:
> In article <5pkq43Fr8v5bU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Joe <really-faked-but-works@yunx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay... This feels like the most "troll-like" post I've ever
>>> posted here, but I assure you, the question is
>>> legitimate and comes from me recently reading the "US Army Survival
>>> Manual" I bought at a book sale this summer.
>>
>> Corse you would say that if you were trolling...
>>
>>> On page 26 of section 3, it says you can use the following remedies
>>> to treat an intestinal problem caused by
>>> parasites:
>>
>>> 1.) Saltwater. Mix 4 tablespoons of salt in 1 quart of water and
>>> drink. Do not repeat this treatment
>>
>> Pointless using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
>> with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.
>>
>>> Thoughts: Okay... This I can understand sorta... Makes a
>>> solution that is absorbed by the parasites I suppose.
>>
>> Or kills them in theory, anyway.
>>
>>> 2.) Tobacco. Eat 1 to 1.5 cigarettes. The nicotine in the
>>> cigarette will kill or stun the worms long enough for
>>> your system to pass them. If the infestation is severe, repeat the
>>> treatment in 24-48 hours, but not sooner.
>>
>> Stupid using this approach when more effective ways of dealing
>> with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.
>>
>>> Thoughts: I can see this working. Having swallowed a cigarette
>>> once
>>> when I was 16 or 17, I'd say this is probably really
>>> uncomfortable...
>>> But I guess the parasitic infection is too.
>>
>> Not necessarily, some are symptom free.
>>
>>> 3.) Hot peppers. Peppers are effective only if they are a steady
>>> part of your diet. You can eat them raw or put them
>>> in soups or rice and meat dishes.
>>
>> Mindlessly silly.
>>
>>> Thoughts: Jalapeno good enough or do I have to take it to the
>>> Habanero or even beyond to the Naga level hot peppers?
>>
>>> 4.) Kerosene. Drink 2 tablespoons of kerosene but no more. If
>>> necessary, you can repeat this treatment in 24-48 hours but no
>>> sooner.
>>
>> Even more stupid using this approach when more effective ways of
>> dealing with intestinal parasites are available and arent expensive.
>>
>>> Thoughts: Wow. Siphoning gasoline tastes bad when you mess up. I
>>> can't imagine what kerosene tastes like...
>>
>> Not as bad, its not as volatile.
>>
>>> I also can't imagine that doing this often is very good for you or
>>> your kidneys, liver, intestines, stomach, tongue,
>>> throat, or arse.
>>
>> Yeah, its a stupid approach if the usual treatment for intestinal
>> parasites is available, and it always is except in the situation
>> that manual was written for, even in third world countrys.
>>
>> And it makes a hell of a lot more sense to avoid getting intestinal
>> parasites in the first place by using any of the obvious ways to
>> ensure that.
>>
>>> Who tests this stuff?!?
>>
>> Presumably that crap was tested at vast expense to the US taxpayer
>> using suckers that didnt have any real choice as far as being
>> victims was concerned.

> This is a *SURVIVAL* manual.

You quite sure you aint one of those rocket scientist loons ?

> What part of that don't you get?

What I get is that if you are obsessed about survival, it makes
a hell of a lot more sense to ensure you have an adequate supply
of what deals with intestinal parasites MUCH more effectively than
that crap above than it ever does using that crap above instead.

> They didn't put this stuff in there if it was bull. The kerosene
> remedy was supposedly used in WWII POW camps for
> tapeworms when the POWs couldn't access medication.

I didnt say it does work, I said it makes no sense to use
kerosene TODAY when the alternatives work so much better
and are readily available, even if you are in Gauntano etc.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 2:47 pm
From: "Joe"

> I didn't say it does work, I said it makes no sense to use
> kerosene TODAY when the alternatives work so much better
> and are readily available, even if you are in Gauntano etc.

I'm pretty sure nobody was promoting it's use... The original question was
aswered as to who, what, when, where, why, etc... Thread is dead as far as
I'm concerned - and it was my original post. <G>

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TOPIC: vacuum cleaner-comparison-best buy
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 10:57 am
From: "The Medway Handyman"

Colin Wilson wrote:
>> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
>> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
>> association reporting the best buy ?
>
> Nilfisk GM80
>
> Not easy to find, but a recent reply from a regular to the same
> question on uk.d-i-y said he used to work for them, and the odds are
> if you're over 30, it'll last longer than you.

<WAVES> :-)

>
> If you hunt around a bit, you can get them for about £180 IIRC.

--
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 11:33 am
From: Kostas Kavoussanakis

On Sat, 10 Nov 2007, Colin Wilson wrote:

>> can anyone recommend a decent vacuum cleaner (cylinder one)? Do you
>> know any useful and recent test/comparison made by some consumers
>> association reporting the best buy ?
>
> Nilfisk GM80
>
> Not easy to find, but a recent reply from a regular to the same
> question on uk.d-i-y said he used to work for them, and the odds are
> if you're over 30, it'll last longer than you.
>
> If you hunt around a bit, you can get them for about £180 IIRC.

Note that they have two models:

http://www.nilfix.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=201
http://www.nilfix.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=210

Kostas

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TOPIC: www.globwholesale.com cheap wholesale all kinds of shoes handbag
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Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 11:10 am
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TOPIC: action against Argos on faulty goods
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 11:32 am
From: rainandsnow

Simon Finnigan wrote:
> "rainandsnow" <therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:5pk748Frk0ncU1@mid.individual.net...
>> Simon Finnigan wrote:
>>> "rainandsnow" <therainandsnow@NOTTHISBITyahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:5phnr5Fr2bdcU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> we are the robots wrote:
>>>>> johngood_____ wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>> Just take it back and say you've only had it 'bout a week and
>>>>> haven't got the receipt.
>>>>> Works every time!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But that is lying.
>>>
>>> As is saying you have no right to a replacement, which is the blanket
>>> statement from the likes of Argos.
>>
>>
>> Good point, but is it possible that the person at Argos saying that
>> may believe it to be true?
>
> Why would that be at all relevant? They are acting as a representative
> of their company, and if their company has told them to say it, and they
> say it, why would it matter what they thought?

Why would it be relevant?? Because if they didn't know then telling them
would be a better solution than lying as they would not be so inclined
to pass on false information to other customers.

If you are saying that one lie justifies another, then do you have any
problem with Argos's actions in Martin's scenario above??

If Argos are acting in ignorance of their obligations or pretending to
be ignorant, surely invoking ones rights is a better and more honourable
course of action than lying.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 11:50 am
From: "Theo_Delight@yahoo.co.uk"

On 10 Nov, 02:15, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> martin_pentre...@hotmail.com wrote
>
> > Rod Speed <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote
> >> You should look uphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Directive#Direct_Effect
> > Hello again Rod,
> > Thanks for that, but I don't think you've understood it.
>
> Corse I did.

What has Corsica to do with this?

--
x If you have been, are you still illiterate?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 12:59 pm
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TOPIC: Discount item scalping
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 2:09 pm
From: BrotherSandMonkey

Is this a fair practice? Arab-owned and Asian Indian-owned food marker
dealers are purchasing sufficient quantities, of food items from
discount srores as Aldi and Save A Lot, and
stocking them in their own stores with a boost in price? Then they
expect cusromers to buy them along with Name Brand items (which are
also higher in price but that is understood.).

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 2:48 pm
From: clams casino

BrotherSandMonkey wrote:

>Is this a fair practice? Arab-owned and Asian Indian-owned food marker
>dealers are purchasing sufficient quantities, of food items from
>discount srores as Aldi and Save A Lot, and
>stocking them in their own stores with a boost in price? Then they
>expect cusromers to buy them along with Name Brand items (which are
>also higher in price but that is understood.).
>
>
>

Unfortunately, Walmart does the same thing - they buy goods, mark up
the price and then sell them along side name brand goods.

Come to think of it, Home Depot, Sears, Target, Staples and Gap do the
same unfair practice of marking up the price on goods they buy.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:07 pm
From: "catalpa"

"BrotherSandMonkey" <blinker@volcanomail.com> wrote in message
news:1194732550.578382.134050@50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
> Is this a fair practice? Arab-owned and Asian Indian-owned food marker
> dealers are purchasing sufficient quantities, of food items from
> discount srores as Aldi and Save A Lot, and
> stocking them in their own stores with a boost in price? Then they
> expect cusromers to buy them along with Name Brand items (which are
> also higher in price but that is understood.).
>

What businesses sell items every day at their own cost?

What stops the customers from going to Aldi or Save A Lot?

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:23 pm
From: "Don K"

That is not scalping.

Scalping is when someone corners the market on something and charges
many times the original purchase price.

Mark-up is when someone buys goods and resells them at a higher price
sufficient to make a reasonable profit.

All stores engage in mark-up. It has nothing to do with ethnicity.

Don

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:31 pm
From: clams casino

catalpa wrote:

>>
>>
>
>What businesses sell items every day at their own cost?
>
>
>
Many inexperienced eBay sellers (frequently below their real costs when
they are ignorant of their real costs)..

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TOPIC: How to use FLIR infrared camera to reduce Winter home heating bills.
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 3:51 pm
From: aemeijers

drydem wrote:
> On Nov 8, 3:34 pm, Joe <useful_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Video viahttp://Muvy.org
>
> which points to ...
>
> FLIR thermal infrared imaging home inspection, energy camera
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=jXPXE0qsmjg
>
>
> fyi: In the above video the IR inspection company
> is using the following tool
>
> RAZIR (Sierra Pacific Innovations) FLIR camera
> http://www.thermcam.com/
>
> I saw this particular FLIR camera priced
> at 12,499.00 USD by this one particular
> instrumentation company and they were
> also charging 145.00 usd for a spare battery!
>
> Fluke Ti20 at 6495 USD was less expensive but
> its does not do all the fancy things that the RAZIR
> does ( the RAZIR connect to your laptop with a USB
> port)
>
Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY
sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd
be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited repair funds at
the worst leaks.

aem sends...

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 10 2007 4:29 pm
From: danny burstein

In <%trZi.13114$if6.9671@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> aemeijers <aemeijers@att.net> writes:
>>
>Now if I could just find a company in this small town that had one (ANY
>sort of IR camera), and could come out and do a walkaround for me. It'd
>be worth a C-note to me to be able to target my limited repair funds at
>the worst leaks.

For the hell of it, call your local fire department
folk. They just might have one.

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Saturday, November 10, 2007

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