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TOPIC: Yet another Best Buy consumer horror story -- woman tasered by cop.
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 2:25 pm
From: Vic Smith
On Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:11:00 -0600, max <betatron@earthlink.net>
wrote:
>In article <8pgtm3129kg107c72tm6sl35j7c6qenvob@4ax.com>,
> Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote:
>man that way?
>> >
>> Agree. Though the woman may have been Tasered anyway, chances
>> are she could have been "talked down" or just restrained.
>> Police agencies are revamping and enforcing procedures for using
>> Tasers, much only due to publicity. Cameras play a large role in
>> capturing misuse, and I heard of at least one department requiring
>> camera equipped Tasers.
>
>I've been thinking about Tasers and cameras since the Police Dept. in my
>community of St. Charles, Il, bought 8 of them for $9600.
><http://www.rrstar.com/homepage/x2128346285>
>
>I noticed an interesting thing about the camera-equipped Taser
>(Tasercam)...
><http://www.taser.com/pages/VideoDetails.aspx?videoid=40>
><http://www.taser.com/products/military/Pages/TASERCAM.aspx>
>
>The camera is mounted in the base of the handgrip, in the bottom of
>what would be a magazine if it were an autoloading pistol. Take a look.
>The camera is in the base unit -- that thing up front, under the taser
>cartridge, is just an iluminator.
>
>Tasercam only works if you shoot one-handed. No officer, nor any other
>serious marksman, shoots one handed except in dire emergency.
>
>It is almost exactly perfectly positioned to be covered by the officer's
>left hand during Taser deployment. If you try to use any of several
>conventional two-handed grips (which is what pistol marksmen practice
>and use the most), you'll wrap your fingers or palm around the camera.
>
>It is my considered opinion that Tasercam is a worthless sop
>specifically designed to make hand-wringing, clueless, gun-phobic,
>civil libertarians happy by providing them with the _illusion_ of
>deployment witnessing, while in fact actually preserving the officer's
>ability to deploy a taser without concern of after-action review. In
>the timeless words of R. Lee Ermey, it is a reach-around.
>
>I guaren-effing-tee you that the overwhelming majority of Tasercam
>footage will be nothing more than extreme closeup pictures of the
>officer's supporting hand.
>
>I'm fairly certain i'm the first person to point this little fact out on
>the internet. Mark my words, you heard it here first.
>
>Tasercam is a scam.
>
Maybe. I wondered about an accurate picture when I first heard of
them. Unfortunately, I didn't have the foresight to quickly post my
thoughts on it, so can't lay claim to usenet firsts.
But you *would* think the camera would work well before the PD's
banged their budgets purchasing them. Or maybe not.
I'll believe they work when I start seeing the recordings, ala dash
cams.
--Vic
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 7:21 pm
From: Larry Bud
On Dec 23, 11:01 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> Larry Bud wrote:
> > On Dec 22, 2:45 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Joe <useful_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> While my local Best Buy is wonderful, for some reason others are not.
> >>>http://muvy.org/new.php?entity=bestbuy
> >> If you're actually stupid enough to behave like that, you can expect to get what you deserve.
>
> > If I was a cop, I'd taser every asshole that behaved like this. It's
> > probably the safest method of subduing someone.
>
> >http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Headlines/fr...
>
> > Note, this whole story has nothing to do with Best Buy, other than the
> > woman was going nuts inside a Best Buy store.
>
> The problem with your idea is that someday it can apply to you for
> whatever reason that might be invoked. I may not like what others are
> doing but I also know that I need to tolerate it because I want to keep
> my rights of free speech etc.
Free speech applies to speaking out against the government in a public
place, not disorderly conduct at a place of business.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 7:23 pm
From: Larry Bud
> On the other hand, people occasionally die after being Tasered, and
> nobody quite knows why. So there's a good argument that a Taser should
> be treated as a lethal weapon like a gun, and used only in similar
> circumstances - when someone is threatening physical harm.
People have died with 4 or 5 cops wrestling them to the ground too.
So what's your point?
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 8:46 pm
From: -
Larry Bud wrote:
> On Dec 23, 11:01 am, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> Larry Bud wrote:
>>> On Dec 22, 2:45 pm, "Rod Speed" <rod.speed....@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Joe <useful_in...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>> While my local Best Buy is wonderful, for some reason others are not.
>>>>> http://muvy.org/new.php?entity=bestbuy
>>>> If you're actually stupid enough to behave like that, you can expect to get what you deserve.
>>> If I was a cop, I'd taser every asshole that behaved like this. It's
>>> probably the safest method of subduing someone.
>>> http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Headlines/fr...
>>> Note, this whole story has nothing to do with Best Buy, other than the
>>> woman was going nuts inside a Best Buy store.
>> The problem with your idea is that someday it can apply to you for
>> whatever reason that might be invoked. I may not like what others are
>> doing but I also know that I need to tolerate it because I want to keep
>> my rights of free speech etc.
>
> Free speech applies to speaking out against the government in a public
> place, not disorderly conduct at a place of business.
They gave them tasers obviously they think they should justify the expense.
No way a male cop should be intimidated by an irate woman, that has just
been accused, falsely, of doing something illegal.
I might not like being foul mouthed, if that is what happened but I
wouldn't subject someone, to a risk, of death, with huge voltage.
Demonstrating, that you have the authority and are in control, of
anybody and everybody because you wear a shield is not what protecting
the public is about.
If she threatened him physically or someone else is the only way he
should have used the taser, just the same as you would use a firearm.
The taser is an alternative, not a justifiable means to punish someone.
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TOPIC: Buying a house with parents
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== 1 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 2:00 pm
From: "Don Phillipson"
"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-6E9E70.08155323122007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> My parents . . . want to essentially put down what
> would contribute a large down payment toward of the cost of a house, put
> it in my name, and we would share it. I would make the mortgage
> payments. We would share utilities.
> . . .
> This deal works out in my parents' favor because . . .
> My mom also desperately wants to move because she's tired of living in a
> row house. My dad also thinks the neighborhood where they live now is on
> the decline so they both want to move to a nicer neighborhood.
> . . .
> we would buy a house that's large enough to have my parents and I live
> there, but in separate spaces (like an in-law suite).
> . . .
> The question I have, is sharing a house with my parents a good idea from
> an emotional standpoint for the three of us?
Nothing in your long post suggests any emotional pitfall
ahead. (But separate apartments under the same physical
roof are not what we usually mean by "sharing a house.")
Since your dad's fin. adviser and lawyers approve, you might
endanger the proposal by seeking too much peripheral
advice e.g. from the relative who is a "clinical psychologist."
If the participants at ages 40 and 70+ do not know their
own minds already, no amount of psychological speculation
seems likely to be helpful. (My parents on retirement moved
into grandma's house. There was ample room and it suited
all participants.)
--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)
== 2 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 3:03 pm
From: una@att.net (Una)
Sorry, but this sounds like a bad idea all around.
1. Far more house than you can afford.
2. Far more house than they can afford. If you die or lose your job,
could they pay the mortgage?
3. An extra hour per day of commuting time for you. Plus the extra
time you will spend taking care of your parents. You might be far
better off just taking a second job.
4. Is living in a row house a problem because of *stairs*? Is that
why they want to move? Into a ranch style house all on one floor?
5. Neither you nor your parents has lived in a single family house?
Are they up to managing its continual upkeep? Yard work, exterior
repairs, raking and shoveling, taking garbage to the curb.
6. A single floor single family house ... would that be in a suburb?
How far from stores etc? Can your parents still drive a car? For
how much longer?
7. You will be the designated in-home care-giver. If that is your
choice, then make it so, but don't make it so complicated. Realize
that caregiving can be a 24 hours per day, 365 days per year *job*.
Una
== 3 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 3:50 pm
From: Banty
In article <fkmoop$fi0$3@theodyn.ncf.ca>, Don Phillipson says...
>
>"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:srhi-6E9E70.08155323122007@newsgroups.comcast.net...
>
>> My parents . . . want to essentially put down what
>> would contribute a large down payment toward of the cost of a house, put
>> it in my name, and we would share it. I would make the mortgage
>> payments. We would share utilities.
>> . . .
>> This deal works out in my parents' favor because . . .
>> My mom also desperately wants to move because she's tired of living in a
>> row house. My dad also thinks the neighborhood where they live now is on
>> the decline so they both want to move to a nicer neighborhood.
>> . . .
>> we would buy a house that's large enough to have my parents and I live
>> there, but in separate spaces (like an in-law suite).
>> . . .
>> The question I have, is sharing a house with my parents a good idea from
>> an emotional standpoint for the three of us?
>
>Nothing in your long post suggests any emotional pitfall
>ahead. (But separate apartments under the same physical
>roof are not what we usually mean by "sharing a house.")
>Since your dad's fin. adviser and lawyers approve, you might
>endanger the proposal by seeking too much peripheral
>advice e.g. from the relative who is a "clinical psychologist."
Any deal that would fall through because outside advice is sought is a bad deal
practically by definition. What wise person would put up with such a limit.
Banty
== 4 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 5:35 pm
From: Stan Brown
Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:21:44 -0500 from Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>:
> I agree that legal review is essential, but my dad's luke warm on that
> idea. Fortunately, one of my cousins is an attorney who was a real
> estate agent before she went to law school.
IMHO, this is a *really* bad idea. She's setting herself up to be
blamed in a few years if any of the parties become dissatisfied with
what they agreed to.
There's a reason why doctors and lawyers don't do anything non-
routine for family members: they can't have the objectivity that they
need to do their jobs.
--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
"If there's one thing I know, it's men. I ought to: it's
been my life work." -- Marie Dressler, in /Dinner at Eight/
== 5 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 7:10 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <fkmpe3$e31$1@doliolum.localnet>, una@att.net (Una) wrote:
> Sorry, but this sounds like a bad idea all around.
>
> 1. Far more house than you can afford.
Not so. I can make the mortgage payments. Not a problem. Its the down
payment that's a problem for me, but the actual mortgage payments for a
house we would find suitable are fine.
> 2. Far more house than they can afford. If you die or lose your job,
> could they pay the mortgage?
My parents and I are well-insured.
> 3. An extra hour per day of commuting time for you. Plus the extra
> time you will spend taking care of your parents. You might be far
> better off just taking a second job.
Perhaps.
> 4. Is living in a row house a problem because of *stairs*? Is that
> why they want to move? Into a ranch style house all on one floor?
My parents' desire to move is based on several factors, but negotiating
stairs is one of those reasons.
> 5. Neither you nor your parents has lived in a single family house?
> Are they up to managing its continual upkeep? Yard work, exterior
> repairs, raking and shoveling, taking garbage to the curb.
My parents already leave in a single-family house. My dad is an avid
gardener, and I am very handy. Garbage and many other chores have to be
dealt with regardless of our living arrangements.
> 6. A single floor single family house ... would that be in a suburb?
> How far from stores etc? Can your parents still drive a car? For
> how much longer?
My dad purchased a new car about 8 months ago. The neighborhood they
have in mind is within walking distance of numerous stores. More
shopping options are available with a 5-10 minute drive.
> 7. You will be the designated in-home care-giver. If that is your
> choice, then make it so, but don't make it so complicated. Realize
> that caregiving can be a 24 hours per day, 365 days per year *job*.
Fortunately, we have the means to hire help, but I will no doubt be
called upon to help with my parents when the time comes, to one degree
or another. My sister and her husband are also nearby and willing to
help too.
Thanks for your comments. My sister, brother-in-law, and I just got back
from dinner and we discussed this. They think its a great idea. I am
still pondering it.
== 6 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 7:22 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <760f9$476e828b$a22719d4$9350@ALLTEL.NET>,
"Janie" <nobody@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Forget this idea because you will live to regret it. What if something ever
> happens with your job and you are forced to move? Yes, you say your job is
> secure, but stuff happens.
>
> You have not been living with your parents. Are you certain everyone can
> adapt to this new situation? Why don't you consider moving in with them for
> a while but still keep your place just in case you want to move back there.
> Give the living together thing a try first.
I did live with my folks for three weeks when I had to take a medical
leave from work. I slept in my old bedroom. Initially, I was concerned
that my parents and I wouldn't get along, but we were fine and they even
tolerated my cat, who stayed with me during that period.
> Think about the situation with your parents. What would happen if you did
> meet somebody? Would that person be agreeable to living with your parents
> until both of them die? Are you also willing to live and care for your
> parents for the rest of their lives? You say you father will most likely
> outlive your mother, but can you be certain?
Of course, nothing in life is certain. My dad could get hit by a truck
on his way home from the gym; he still works out several times a week.
My parents are not asking me to care for them the rest of their lives;
their medical insurance provides for care, but I would absolutely be
there to help, even if we continued to live in separate homes.
> JMHO, but your parents shouldn't give up their money and put the house in
> your name. What happens if any of you are not happy with the living
> arrangement after you buy the new house? Are you going to be able to return
> your parents' money and still keep the new house?
More than likely, we'll get a duplex. If my folks move out (to a nursing
home, for example), or I get a job outside this area (very unlikely),
then the vacant half can be rented out. Either way, we will not take on
a mortgage that neither of us can handle if the other isn't available.
> Have you considered that your sibling may be agreeable to this because she
> doesn't wish to assume any responsibility for your parents and view this
> arrangement as a key to avoiding responsibility? What happens if one of
> your parents actually has to go to a nursing home? You don't know what may
> happen in the future. As much as you want, it isn't always possible to care
> for an aging parent at home. Do you know the cost of providing in-home 24-7
> care? Will your parents have the money to pay for their care if they put
> so much money into buying a new home with you? Will your sister be willing
> to contribute to their care if necessary when you received such a large gift
> from your parents? Have you considered the money for the house is going to
> be a gift to you and any tax event that may be created?
I have to look into the financial angle, but my dad said he and his
accountant spent quite a bit of time figuring this out. I hold a high
degree of trust in my parents, but I will certainly look into any tax
liabilities as we get closer to looking for a house.
> What happens to your parents if you should happen to die first? You are
> making a lot of assumptions. Could they afford the upkeep, taxes, and all
> utilities on their own?
I will leave them as a beneficiary on my life insurance. I also have
enough money in my 401K to pay cash for the house, so I would adjust my
will to leave them that money and the house would be paid off.
> My opinion, I'd run from this situation at Olympic speeds. Buy your own
> house. Live your own life. Make your own decisions. You may be getting a
> nicer house but it is going to come with strings, very long strings. Buy
> something you can afford on your own so you are free to do as you please.
>
> However, if you do decide to buy the new house with your parents, be
> certain all involved see their own lawyers and consider all aspects of the
> situation.
Absolutely! Thank you.
== 7 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 7:28 pm
From: Shawn Hirn
In article <fklvq70c9k@drn.newsguy.com>,
Banty <Banty_member@newsguy.com> wrote:
> How close is your cousin to your parents?
>
> You really need a *disinterested* (as in, no interest either way) lawyer.
> Insist on it. If your parents kick up any more fuss about it, consider that
> a solid warning that they would be difficult to deal with on a day to day basis
> if you go ahead.
>
> Also, consider that some of the motivation for this is to have you be a
> caretaker in their declining years. With you sharing quarters day to day you
> inevitably will be the primary person involved. Consider further that this
> may be a reason your sister is so quick to endorse the deal. This all may be
> fine with you or even something you may feel honored to do. But you need to
> think ahead and be aware.
>
> Like someone else said, only you can answer these questions. On paper, it
> makes all the sense in the world. To live it out depends on your whole family
> dynamic. But the legal part of it - do it, and hire someone totally outside
> the situation for it.
From a financial point of view, my parents' offer makes a lot of sense.
Your comment about using my cousin to do the legal work is well-taken.
Finding an attorney who is not a relative is not a big deal. I don't
know why, but I know quiet a few lawyers socially, so finding
inexpensive legal representation is easy.
== 8 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 8:24 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> My parents offered to sell their modest row house and use it and a large
> investment that comes due in 2008 for this purpose. My job is good and
> my FICO score is high, so making the mortgage payments is not a problem
> for a house my folks and I would want in the area my parents have in
> mind.
My sister (with her husband and children) did this with my elderly mom,
and it is working out perfectly fine, except they ended up doing what
they needed to in order to get her name off the mortgage, because there
were potential Medicare-type complications.
The fact that they gave you such a HUGE gift could cause major problems
with Medicare if one of them gets ill in the next X (I don't know what
the number is) years, because Medicare will look at that as an attempt
to hide money in order to take money from the system instead of use
their own funds. And if you put their name on the title of the house to
try to avoid having it look like that, the fact that they own a house
will cause problems with Medicare as well.
Apart from that, which you should investigate thoroughly before making a
decision, the rest is all family dynamics, and nobody here can tell you
whether it will work with your family or not, possibly not even your own
family members. It *is* possible for it to work out, though.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.
== 9 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 8:28 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> More than likely, we'll get a duplex. If my folks move out (to a nursing
> home, for example), or I get a job outside this area (very unlikely),
> then the vacant half can be rented out. Either way, we will not take on
> a mortgage that neither of us can handle if the other isn't available.
If you are going to get a duplex, then you should buy one unit and your
parents the other unit, providing that you are talking about a true
duplex that is legally considered two single-family homes and not one
building set up with flats that is considered a two-family occupancy
building.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.
== 10 of 10 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 8:31 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
Shawn Hirn wrote:
>
> Thanks for your comments. My sister, brother-in-law, and I just got back
> from dinner and we discussed this. They think its a great idea. I am
> still pondering it.
The fact that the people who aren't involved think it is a better idea
that you, who will be involved with it, bears some pondering indeed.
You need to find out *exactly* why they think it's a great idea and see
if their reasons are okay with you.
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 2:53 pm
From: clams_casino
George Grapman wrote:
> Brawny wrote:
>
>> On Dec 23, 10:18 am, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Brawny wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Dec 22, 11:57 am, jl <j...@nowhereszville.biz> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Limbaugh is a total blithering idiot. He never analyzes an issue
>>>>
>>> I do not believe the poster claimed a 99 percent accuracy rate.
>>
>>
>> Who did?
>
>
> Limbaugh, numerous times.
>
>
> http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_100407/content/01125112.guest.html
>
>
>
> BEGIN TRANSCRIPT
> RUSH: Let me get to the audio sound bites because I need to thank some
> people, ladies and gentlemen. There are other items in the news, some
> stuff I've held over from yesterday that are not related to this -- to
> this -- oh! Sullivan Group, opinion audit. That's what it was. In
> the last week alone, my opinion auditing firm has shown that I'm up a
> tenth of a point again, documented to be almost always right 98.8% of
> the time, in the midst of dealing with this smear. It's amazing, I
> knew this was going to be the case, and I wanted to pass that on to you.
>
>
> In fact, the Sullivan Group is Tom Sullivan, a Sacramento talk show
> host and a friend of Limbaugh's.
"almost always right 98.8%" - by Rush's typical stretch of the truth,
being wrong is equivalent to "almost" right. The other 1.2% is when he
is right.
He's such a comedian. Love his sense of humor.
== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 3:11 pm
From: George Grapman
Brawny wrote:
> On Dec 23, 2:35 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> Brawny wrote:
>>
>> Limbaugh, numerous times.
>
> Successful people really anger you..... Why?
Not successful people, just frauds. By the way thanks for that
detailed explanation of the Limbaugh 99 percent lie.
>
> There is so MUCH to learn from a successful person. They did
> something right to maintain/retain their position in life.
>
>
> Merry Christmas and may you find some sort of peace in your life.
> Being envious isn't the answer.
>
>
>
== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 3:38 pm
From: Brawny
On Dec 23, 6:11 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> Brawny wrote:
> > On Dec 23, 2:35 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
> >> Brawny wrote:
>
>Not successful people, just frauds. By the way thanks for that
>detailed explanation of the Limbaugh 99 percent lie.
Oh...now..............stop!! I have never given any "detailed
explanatnion" of Mr. Limbaugh's success.
George...when you have a three hour radio show on 600 plus stations,
maybe someone might listen to your thoughts. Right now...being
small, petty and tacky, will always keep you in your present state.
A fraud has a very short lifetime. Over 18 years of success is
hardly a "short lifetime". I doubt that you will be able to
contribute anything useful to this small forum in ten years, let alone
20. Besides, who really cares what you think? You are becoming an
OLD TIRED actress.
Best to you and yours.
== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 3:48 pm
From: George Grapman
Brawny wrote:
> On Dec 23, 6:11 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> Brawny wrote:
>>> On Dec 23, 2:35 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>> Brawny wrote:
>> Not successful people, just frauds. By the way thanks for that
>> detailed explanation of the Limbaugh 99 percent lie.
>
> Oh...now..............stop!! I have never given any "detailed
> explanatnion" of Mr. Limbaugh's success.
>
> George...when you have a three hour radio show on 600 plus stations,
> maybe someone might listen to your thoughts. Right now...being
> small, petty and tacky, will always keep you in your present state.
He fact that he has so many listeners is as much proof of his accuracy
as the fact that McDonald's selling more meals than an y other chain
reflects of their quality.
>
> A fraud has a very short lifetime. Over 18 years of success is
> hardly a "short lifetime". I doubt that you will be able to
> contribute anything useful to this small forum in ten years, let alone
> 20. Besides, who really cares what you think? You are becoming an
> OLD TIRED actress.
See above comments on McDonald's.
By the way, you cared enough to reply.
>
> Best to you and yours.
>
>
>
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>
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>
== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 3:49 pm
From: George Grapman
Brawny wrote:
> On Dec 23, 6:11 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> Brawny wrote:
>>> On Dec 23, 2:35 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>> Brawny wrote:
>> Not successful people, just frauds. By the way thanks for that
>> detailed explanation of the Limbaugh 99 percent lie.
>
> Oh...now..............stop!! I have never given any "detailed
> explanatnion" of Mr. Limbaugh's success.
>
> George...when you have a three hour radio show on 600 plus stations,
> maybe someone might listen to your thoughts. Right now...being
> small, petty and tacky, will always keep you in your present state.
>
> A fraud has a very short lifetime.
How long has National Enquirer been around?
How many years was Jean Dixon a success?
Over 18 years of success is
> hardly a "short lifetime". I doubt that you will be able to
> contribute anything useful to this small forum in ten years, let alone
> 20. Besides, who really cares what you think? You are becoming an
> OLD TIRED actress.
>
> Best to you and yours.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 6:23 pm
From: clams_casino
Brawny wrote:
>On Dec 23, 6:11 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Brawny wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Dec 23, 2:35 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo...@paccbell.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Brawny wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>Not successful people, just frauds. By the way thanks for that
>>detailed explanation of the Limbaugh 99 percent lie.
>>
>>
>
>Oh...now..............stop!! I have never given any "detailed
>explanatnion" of Mr. Limbaugh's success.
>
>George...when you have a three hour radio show on 600 plus stations,
>maybe someone might listen to your thoughts.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
So Rush is the MSM?
== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 8:33 pm
From: Melinda Meahan - take out TRASH to reply
Anybody who sees Rush Limbaugh as a news reporter needs a reality check.
He is an entertainer (a conservative Letterman-type), not a news reporter
Melinda, ultra-conservative who does *not* like Rush Limbaugh because he
lampoons those with ideologies contrary to his
--
Every job is a self-portrait of the person who does it. Autograph your
work with excellence.
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Date: Sun, Dec 23 2007 7:38 pm
From: "Don K"
"imascot" <imnot@mycomputer.now> wrote in message news:VXxbj.5$7g2.2@newsfe11.lga...
> "Lou" <lpogodajr292185@comcast.net> wrote in
> news:oYWdneHtdqhcN_DanZ2dnUVZ_vumnZ2d@comcast.com:
>
>
> We've had our artificial tree for 13 years now, but I think it's more work than a real
> one. You
> have to spread out each individual branch then insert it into the trunk. When you take
> it down,
> you have to re-compact each branch to fit it into the box. I don't know why the average
> lifespan
> of an artificial tree should only be 3 to 4 years, as someone quoted. We expect ours to
> last many
> more years.
The 6.5 foot artificial tree we got from freecycle, separates into 3 sections
and all the limbs fold up like an umbrella. Likewise minimal assembly is required
for the lights. Just plug the daisy chains together, end-to-end.
Don
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