Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 13 topics

Thursday, April 24, 2008

25 new messages in 13 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Get Your Rave Pills
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/04a142805952ae0a?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 1:22 pm
From: easta01@yahoo.com

http://twilight.110mb.com/gb/wwwparty1.html

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TOPIC: This group needs a gatekeeper to keep out the spam.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ed5c9f6eabda4377?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 1:37 pm
From: "Melissa"

I keep writing rules to keep up the "watch" spam. It's so annoying.

Melissa

<jtnospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0dcea85b-9679-4680-b39b-9dca5df1aa3d@w4g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> Take your chinese watches and dump them into your polluted rivers.-
> Jitney

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TOPIC: The Banana Republic
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8ec3161db9d48413?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 1:41 pm
From: "Edward Dolan"

"ComandanteBanana" <nolionnoproblem@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:749eaef0-bde6-4b7a-a5a0-77e052c8e84a@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
[...]
>Here you must have enter the manic phase of the sickness.

>It must the Minnesota spring.

You are deficient in English. Apparently how to write a verb eludes you.
Either that or you are just the god damn fucking idiot that I think you are.

Here is how the above sentences should have been written:

Here you must have entered the manic phase of the sickness.

It must be the Minnesota spring.

Fucking Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota

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TOPIC: bill paying deja-vu
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/d1a1ad17c5dd22f2?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 2:04 pm
From: val189

I thought this sounded familiar - yes, I posted this same rant a year
ago - paying a certain bill by phone would incur a $15 fee. Huh?

I wonder why some companies are discouraging pay-by-phone ? (rhet).

Their website for paying wasn't too user friendly either, but at least
it's free.

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TOPIC: $25 Limited Time Offer - Good Find, Frugal as they come!
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/8d355b9c1b0d7376?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 2:06 pm
From: Cracker4Jack

Hi all,

I have seen all the junk posts on your site, and I can only hope you
won't pass by this diamond in the rough.

This is a real, and legitimate offer that ends May 15th 2008. I hope
many of you will try it and post your acknowledgement that it does
infact work. You will be helping yourselves with $25 and you'll be
helping me with a $10 refferal too.

Tired of links to nowhere? Me too, so I started checking out deals and
posting them in an ongoing article.
At the address below you can see the latest good stuff I have been
able to find and post. Over time it will grow so check it out, and
check back often. :)

HERE IS THE ADDRESS:

http://www.xomba.com/free_money_promotions_giveaways_survey_companies_that_actually_pay

Right now I have a particularly good find that pays $25 for signing
up, it is a new money transfer company trying to buy up some market
share to compete with Paypal. It is free to join and has some nicer
features than paypal, including a promotional sign up bonus of $25. I
have signed up and after a few days my $25 was transferred into my
account as requested. It is easy and when you refer a friend you get
an additional $10, up to $500 total. This company is a federally
insured bank, so it is as secure and real as it can be.

Please take a look, you'll be glad you did, and think of me when you
are spending your free $25! :)

Thanks,

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TOPIC: Pigs tow away motorhomes belonging to the homeless in Ontario, CA.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/ef9b2be51a1cd9c6?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 2:17 pm
From: "John A. Weeks III"

In article <%X4Qj.7411$XY1.4930@trndny03>,
"AllEmailDeletedImmediately" <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "John A. Weeks III" <john@johnweeks.com> wrote in message
> news:john-DEE8A4.14020824042008@sn-radius.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > In article
> snip
> >> > > So you have to keep paying someone rent, even if your house and land
> >> > > is already bought and paid for. Nice.
> >> >
> >> > It's not rent. It's payment for services rendered. I suppose you
> >> > don't believe in paying the power bill either.
> >> >
> >>
> >> If you don';t pay the power bill, they don't take your house away.
> >> Sorry, not comparable at all.
> >
> > I live in a townhouse with a home owners association. If I don't
> > pay for the lawn mowing (in the form of monthly dues), the HOA can
> > foreclose on my house. So, there is an example where not paying a
> > bill can cause you house to be taken away.
>
> foreclose or place a lien on it?

Here in MN, we can foreclose on HOA managed units that are behind
in paying dues. We typically to use liens because the typical unit
is mortgaged to the hilt. We do lose a lot, however, by going to
a lien because state law says that we cannot enforce a lien for
dues that are due during the redemption period.

-john-

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John A. Weeks III 612-720-2854 john@johnweeks.com
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com

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== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 3:00 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

John A. Weeks III <john@johnweeks.com> wrote
> ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote
>> krw <k...@att.bizzzzzzzzzz> wrote
>>> ultimauw@hotmail.com wrote
>>>> John A. Weeks III <j...@johnweeks.com> wrote
>>>>> AllEmailDeletedImmediately <der...@hotmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> has nothing to do with taking care of anything and everything to
>>>>>> do with the fact that the bonds needed to run your local govt/school
>>>>>> system are secured by the value of your house. that's what happens
>>>>>> when you vote to accept a bond initiative. a chunk of your taxes goes
>>>>>> to pay the interest on these muni bonds. if you don't pay them, your
>>>>>> home WILL BE SOLD at a tax auction. as long as your property
>>>>>> can be taxed, you never really own it, the local govt does.

>>>>> This is drifting way off topic. Your view is a very paranoid
>>>>> point of view. Try saying it the other way around...as long as
>>>>> you pay your property taxes, your really do own your property.

>>>> So you have to keep paying someone rent, even if your
>>>> house and land is already bought and paid for. Nice.

>>> It's not rent. It's payment for services rendered.
>>> I suppose you don't believe in paying the power bill either.

>> If you don';t pay the power bill, they don't take your house away.
>> Sorry, not comparable at all.

> I live in a townhouse with a home owners association.

More fool you.

> If I don't pay for the lawn mowing (in the form of
> monthly dues), the HOA can foreclose on my house.

More fool you.

> So, there is an example where not paying a
> bill can cause you house to be taken away.

Only for those stupid enough to get themselves into that sort of terminally stupid situation.

Anyone else with a clue aint that stupid.

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 3:03 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

John A. Weeks III <john@johnweeks.com> wrote
> AllEmailDeletedImmediately <derjda@hotmail.com> wrote
>> John A. Weeks III <john@johnweeks.com> wrote

>>>>>> So you have to keep paying someone rent, even if your
>>>>>> house and land is already bought and paid for. Nice.

>>>>> It's not rent. It's payment for services rendered.
>>>>> I suppose you don't believe in paying the power bill either.

>>>> If you don';t pay the power bill, they don't take your house away.
>>>> Sorry, not comparable at all.

>>> I live in a townhouse with a home owners association. If I don't
>>> pay for the lawn mowing (in the form of monthly dues), the HOA
>>> can foreclose on my house. So, there is an example where not
>>> paying a bill can cause you house to be taken away.

>> foreclose or place a lien on it?

> Here in MN, we can foreclose on HOA managed units that are behind in paying dues.

And only a fool would be stupid enough to buy a HOA managed unit in that state.

You qualify.

> We typically to use liens because the typical unit is mortgaged to the hilt.
> We do lose a lot, however, by going to a lien because state law says that
> we cannot enforce a lien for dues that are due during the redemption period.

You get into stupid situations like that, you get to wear the downsides.

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TOPIC: Food shortage ethanol follies, I've planted a food garden.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c2b74d91aeaefb6f?hl=en
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 2:54 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Bob Eld <nsmontassoc@yahoo.com> wrote
> George <george@nospam.invalid> wrote
>> Frank wrote

>>>> U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat.
>>>> Sam's Club is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain,
>>>> white rice is cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.

>>> That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either
>>> at the local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or
>>> other type of rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves
>>> were empty of rice as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans
>>> though, LOL. Rice prices are very high and if I'm not mistaken, it
>>> has already triple for the year.

>> What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food
>> (corn, grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going
>> without planning where that extra food will come from. At least
>> we have alternatives here. How about the people in poor countries
>> who depend on rice for food but we bought it to make ethanol?

> Total BS!

Correct, but you add your own bullshit too.

> Rice is not used to make ethanol in the US and rice land is not used for growing corn.

Correct.

> Rice like most other commodities has been in short supply mostly
> due to emergence of China and India as wealthy world powers

Wrong.

> while the US dollar declines in value affecting everything, world wide, especially energy.

Wrong again.

> To blame ethanol for the worlds problems is absurd.

Correct. In spades with the availability of rice.

> Ethanol is a fraction of the problem and mainly affects
> corn and related things like raising pork and beef. In no
> way does in account for rice, fish, copper, aluminum and
> a thousand other things that have seen runaway prices.

There havent been any runaway prices of anything, not even crude oil.

> BTW, when was the last time you put any ethanol in your SUV?

Bit hard when I dont have a SUV.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 3:51 pm
From: krw

In article <O35Qj.2863$I55.2825@newssvr22.news.prodigy.net>,
nsmontassoc@yahoo.com says...
>
> "George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ydWdnS3VDu63Ko3VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Frank wrote:
> > >> U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club
> is
> > >> rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is cheaper
> > >> than dirt - take as much as you want.
> > >
> > > That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at the
> > > local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
> > > rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice
> as
> > > usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices are
> > > very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the year.
> > >
> > >
> > What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food (corn,
> > grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going without planning
> > where that extra food will come from. At least we have alternatives
> > here. How about the people in poor countries who depend on rice for food
> > but we bought it to make ethanol?
>
> Total BS! Rice is not used to make ethanol in the US and rice land is not
> used for growing corn. Rice like most other commodities has been in short
> supply mostly due to emergence of China and India as wealthy world powers
> while the US dollar declines in value affecting everything, world wide,
> especially energy. To blame ethanol for the worlds problems is absurd.
> Ethanol is a fraction of the problem and mainly affects corn and related
> things like raising pork and beef. In no way does in account for rice, fish,
> copper, aluminum and a thousand other things that have seen runaway prices.
>
> BTW, when was the last time you put any ethanol in your SUV?

No SUV, but every time I fill up. ;-) ...or really :-(
>

--
Keith

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 4:04 pm
From: "HeyBub"

Frank wrote:
>> U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's
>> Club is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice
>> is cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.
>
> That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at
> the local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other
> type of rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were
> empty of rice as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though,
> LOL. Rice prices are very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has
> already triple for the year.

Ah, well. Like everything else, there's no shortage of rice; there's only a
shortage of CHEAP rice.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 4:56 pm
From: Seerialmom

On Apr 24, 10:54 am, jtnos...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Apr 24, 10:33 am, Seerialmom <seerial...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 24, 12:34 am, jtnos...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > > The per usual republicrat farm socialism has created food supply
> > > chaos, subsidized corn for ethanol fuel has crowded out other food
> > > crops, speculators abroad have taken their bales of dollarpesos and
> > > bought out our wheat supplies so that we'll have to re-import at a
> > > higher price. Gov't. has paid southeast Texas farmers to raise
> > > livestock instead of rice, now Sam's Club and Costco are rationing it.
> > > So I tossed the ornamental plants and have planted corn, beans,
> > > peppers, and tomatoes, maybe carrots next. I recommend others do the
> > > same this season in their backyards if they have them. I don't think
> > > there will be acute food shortages this year in the USA, but grocery
> > > prices are high and getting higher. It will also save the fossile fuel
> > > to get it from the farm to your table. I would raise meat but codes in
> > > my 'burb won't allow it.
>
> > You can probably raise rabbits...and I know that even though it's not
> > an accepted food product in the US, guinea pigs are raised for meat in
> > South America.
>
> I think that's an excellent idea, I used to hunt them and eat them as
> a boy. I don't want to get a neighborhood reputation as the easter
> bunny killer, though...any other protien ideas? Thanks to cheapogroovo
> for the encouragement, maybe next year I will grow barley and brew
> some beer...-Jitney- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

How about snakes?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 5:43 pm
From: don@manx.misty.com (Don Klipstein)

In article <4810d69e$0$30157$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, h wrote:
>
>"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>news:ydWdnS3VDu63Ko3VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Frank wrote:
>>>> U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club
>>>> is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is
>>>> cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.
>>>
>>> That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at the
>>> local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
>>> rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice
>>> as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices
>>> are very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the
>>> year.
>> What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food (corn,
>> grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going without planning
>> where that extra food will come from. At least we have alternatives here.
>> How about the people in poor countries who depend on rice for food but we
>> bought it to make ethanol?
>
>But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains, corn,
>and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine that
>stuff fed to anything but livestock.

The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand for
livestock. Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers from the
decline of the low carb craze.

- Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)

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TOPIC: what does HT stand for on a pallet?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/0ae1581fe77b0885?hl=en
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Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 4:09 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Apr 24, 5:22 pm, Derald <der...@invalid.net> wrote:
> troll <georgewks...@humboldt1.com> wrote:
> >I assume Heat Treated. for imported insect control?
> >right?
>
> Aw-w-w.... You _did_ google the term first, right? Lordy, but I do
> miss the Soul Surgeon and the pretensive suididal entity that succeeded
> him: Deep-water artistry, they were.

I suspect that he did Google for the answer. More correctly, he
Googles for a question so he can post it.

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TOPIC: Warning-US Search
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/4a23288e4fe1d5cc?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 4:12 pm
From: Al Bundy

William Souden wrote:
> They offered a basic background check on a person for $5 so I ran one
> on myself. For my current address which is listed they had a city where
> I have never lived.
>
>
Then again, the rest of us know who we are and where we live and
thereby save $5.
William, you may be one of the few people immune to identity theft as
nobody wants to be you.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 5:23 pm
From: William Souden

Al Bundy wrote:
>
> William Souden wrote:
>> They offered a basic background check on a person for $5 so I ran one
>> on myself. For my current address which is listed they had a city where
>> I have never lived.
>>
>>
> Then again, the rest of us know who we are and where we live and
> thereby save $5.
> William, you may be one of the few people immune to identity theft as
> nobody wants to be you.
I did it to check their accuracy. After getting the report I decided
not to use them for my intended purpose of doing a check on prospective
employees.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 5:44 pm
From: Gordon

Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in news:6504a74f-1218-4030-bc12-
563b612ab322@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

>
>
> William Souden wrote:
>> They offered a basic background check on a person for $5 so I ran one
>> on myself. For my current address which is listed they had a city where
>> I have never lived.
>>
>>
> Then again, the rest of us know who we are and where we live and
> thereby save $5.

Perhaps so. But background checks, credit checks, and drivers license
records are commonly used for screening job applicant's, renters,
or to profile you for insurance companies. Incorrect information can
cost you a job, raise insurance rates, etc.
So it is a good idea to know if _others_ know who you are.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 6:15 pm
From: George Grapman

Gordon wrote:
> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in news:6504a74f-1218-4030-bc12-
> 563b612ab322@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> William Souden wrote:
>>> They offered a basic background check on a person for $5 so I ran one
>>> on myself. For my current address which is listed they had a city where
>>> I have never lived.
>>>
>>>
>> Then again, the rest of us know who we are and where we live and
>> thereby save $5.
>
> Perhaps so. But background checks, credit checks, and drivers license
> records are commonly used for screening job applicant's, renters,
> or to profile you for insurance companies. Incorrect information can
> cost you a job, raise insurance rates, etc.
> So it is a good idea to know if _others_ know who you are.
>
>
Which is why the credit reporting agencies are required to give you
free copies of your report. Unfortunately the companies doing background
checks are not subject to that.
I will try to find the link but one site has you enter a name with a
city and then tells you how many reports it found. It then offers to
sell them to you either individually are as part of a short term
unlimited deal. According to their search there were multiple reports on
"Cxtypju Hdseawety" in San Francisco including civil and criminal
cases,job history and phone numbers.
By the way, I agree that when a customer service voice mail box is
always full the company does that intentionally.

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TOPIC: Where's the rice?
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3f9a318b5fb361dc?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 4:15 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Apr 24, 11:29 am, " Frank" <norep...@nothome.net> wrote:
> None at the local Sam's Club or Costco for the last couple of weeks, had to
> go to an Asian store to get some ... wow, and I thought gas prices are high.
> For the US, farmers must be switching form rice to corn for the ethanol
> thing. I didn't know that many people eat rice (or hoard rice), we're
> switching more to bread and pasta while still available.

I'm buying 5# bags of brown rice for just over $2 at a local chain.
Next time I go I plan to stock up more as this is a good price.

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TOPIC: TV on Your PC
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/f115ec190faf3906?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 4:56 pm
From: Gordon

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
news:67a5s8F2ni6o9U1@mid.individual.net:

> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>
>>>> At the risk of looking like a spammer...
>
>>>> This is actually a follow up to a post I made last week.
>>>> I have uncovered some services that will stream
>>>> network video and video on demand to your PC.
>
>>>> Anyway, I'll keep you posted on this.
>>>> After all, Eliminating the monthly cable bill without giving up TV
>>>> is very frugal.
>
>>> Changing to digital TV is even more frugal.
>
>> I'm not following you Rod.
>> Are you refering to over the air digital TV??
>
> Yep. Costs you $10 if you do it the right way.
> Get a coupon and then buy a cheap set top box from walmart etc.
>
>
>

Programing selection is kinda' limited tho.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 5:24 pm
From: William Souden

Gordon wrote:
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:67a5s8F2ni6o9U1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
>>>>> At the risk of looking like a spammer...
>>>>> This is actually a follow up to a post I made last week.
>>>>> I have uncovered some services that will stream
>>>>> network video and video on demand to your PC.
>>>>> Anyway, I'll keep you posted on this.
>>>>> After all, Eliminating the monthly cable bill without giving up TV
>>>>> is very frugal.
>>>> Changing to digital TV is even more frugal.
>>> I'm not following you Rod.
>>> Are you refering to over the air digital TV??
>> Yep. Costs you $10 if you do it the right way.
>> Get a coupon and then buy a cheap set top box from walmart etc.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Programing selection is kinda' limited tho.

True, but some people just want 6 or 7 channels.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 5:28 pm
From: Gordon

George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in news:wARPj.9690$GE1.7999
@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:

> Gordon wrote:
>> OK, so this is quite intresting to know. It would appear
>> that the sites are perpritrationg a massive faud then?
>> After all they are advertising 9,000 channals of TV.
>
> Aside from being illegal it is impossible. Local broadcasts stations
> are delivered to satellite subscribers using what is called a spot
beam
> meaning that the signal is only seen in a small geographical area so
> even with the proper equipment a viewer in San Francisco can not get
the
> locals from Chicago.
> If you go to the site offering this I am almost certain will see
> either no contact information,a yahoo/gmail/hotmail type address or a
> contact form to fill out that offers no information about the
"company".
> A few years ago someone was flooding the baseball groups with this
> stuff. When I asked for contact details I was given a PO Box in Las
> Vegas and told that the only acceptable methods of payment were a
money
> order sent to the box made out to an individual or Western Union.

OK, so I'm not sure what a spot beam has to do with TV delivered over
the internet, since the internet doesn't limit what sites you can
browse to. So I can check out the local broadcasts from my hometown
clear across the country from their web site.

What I think is going on is this: 1)Almost every TV broadcaster has
a web site where you can watch the current live broadcast stream and
watch missed shows via video on demand. 2) Someone has an internet
directory of these feeds (TV Guide?). Where do set top boxes for cable
and DBS get their programing guides from? 3)Someone wrote a piece
of software that agragates all this (bookmarks for feeds and program
guide). 4)Based on the screen shots that I see, the software is
being resold under diferent names. 5)There must be a revenue stream
other than selling the software, perhapst the software has been hacked
to, or had hooks to allow, advertising to be inserted. THere has to
be a "Money for Nothing" angle in there somewhere (besides the obvious
fraud and deciet).

So I actually found a few discussion forums on the web (DSL Reports.com
for one) where IPTV is discussed. From what I have been able to
figure out; 1)There is a free version of the software called
TVUnetworks.com. 2)Many people use an off the shelf media player and
build their own channal guide using available lists on the internet.
3)Dishnetpc.com seems to be the most popular for pay site. There are
cracked versions of their software floating around for download.
Could be usefull for evaluating the whole concept.

There are also Hulu, Joost, and TV-Yahoo.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 5:46 pm
From: George Grapman

Gordon wrote:
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in news:wARPj.9690$GE1.7999
> @nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:
>
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> OK, so this is quite intresting to know. It would appear
>>> that the sites are perpritrationg a massive faud then?
>>> After all they are advertising 9,000 channals of TV.
>> Aside from being illegal it is impossible. Local broadcasts stations
>> are delivered to satellite subscribers using what is called a spot
> beam
>> meaning that the signal is only seen in a small geographical area so
>> even with the proper equipment a viewer in San Francisco can not get
> the
>> locals from Chicago.
>> If you go to the site offering this I am almost certain will see
>> either no contact information,a yahoo/gmail/hotmail type address or a
>> contact form to fill out that offers no information about the
> "company".
>> A few years ago someone was flooding the baseball groups with this
>> stuff. When I asked for contact details I was given a PO Box in Las
>> Vegas and told that the only acceptable methods of payment were a
> money
>> order sent to the box made out to an individual or Western Union.
>
> OK, so I'm not sure what a spot beam has to do with TV delivered over
> the internet, since the internet doesn't limit what sites you can
> browse to. So I can check out the local broadcasts from my hometown
> clear across the country from their web site.

In order to get those locals they would have to have receivers in
each city and be able to upload each to their servers.
>
> What I think is going on is this: 1)Almost every TV broadcaster has
> a web site where you can watch the current live broadcast stream and
> watch missed shows via video on demand.

The networks do this for some shows. Some stations stream their local
news but not network or syndicated shows.

2) Someone has an internet
> directory of these feeds (TV Guide?).

The lat time I saw TV Guide their listings were pretty generic,
Where do set top boxes for cable
> and DBS get their programing guides from?

I forgot the name of the company but I think News Corp. owns it
3)Someone wrote a piece
> of software that agragates all this (bookmarks for feeds and program
> guide). 4)Based on the screen shots that I see, the software is
> being resold under diferent names. 5)There must be a revenue stream
> other than selling the software, perhapst the software has been hacked
> to, or had hooks to allow, advertising to be inserted. THere has to
> be a "Money for Nothing" angle in there somewhere (besides the obvious
> fraud and deciet).
>
> So I actually found a few discussion forums on the web (DSL Reports.com
> for one) where IPTV is discussed. From what I have been able to
> figure out; 1)There is a free version of the software called
> TVUnetworks.com. 2)Many people use an off the shelf media player and
> build their own channal guide using available lists on the internet.
> 3)Dishnetpc.com seems to be the most popular for pay site. There are
> cracked versions of their software floating around for download.
> Could be usefull for evaluating the whole concept.
>
> There are also Hulu, Joost, and TV-Yahoo.

None of them will offer what the poster promised.
By, the way, follow the suggestion of obtaining contact details. A
legitimate firm will provide a physical address and phone number, not a
PO Box and voice mail.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 5:41 pm
From: kitchen.kabinets@gmail.com

kitchen cabinets,

http://the-kitchen-cabinets.blogspot.com,
Building kitchen cabinets can be a very rewarding experience. Once the
job is finished and you realize that the beautiful piece that sits in
front of you was once a stack of wood can give you quite a sense of
accomplishment. Most people do not just jump right into cabinet making
without some prior woodworking knowledge...although I have seen a few
that did. They may have played around with a saw and hammer before but
had no real experience in the area of fine woodworking. If this is the
case, here is a list of just some of the major tools you really should
have.

1. Table Saw

The most indispensable tool of tools. Do not just buy a cheapy though.
It needs to be a fairly heavy-duty model to keep up with some of the
work it needs to do. The cheaper models have small tables and are very
light-weight. They tend to tip if you are running anything with a
little length or weight through them.

2. Planer

This tool is a must if you want to get those smooth and clean edges to
your wood. A small portable planer with a 10" width and a 5" depth
will handle most jobs. These tools are great when it comes to squaring
up you wood. You need all of your pieces to be very accurate in
dimension or you will have a lot of headaches. The planer takes care
of that.

3. Shaper

You can get by without one of these but I feel it is a good choice. A
router can do pretty much everything the shaper can do but on a much
lighter scale. The shaper gives you a nice solid table and a heavy-
duty motor to power through those tougher jobs such as raised panel
cabinet doors.

4. Miter Saw

There are plenty of these out on the market. A 10" miter saw will
handle most all of your cuts. Radial arm saws are nice too but the
portable miter doesn't take up as much room and you can move it
anywhere. These tools are nice for clean and accurate cross-cuts.

5. Router

The router can do a lot of different jobs. Mainly, you will use it to
put a nice finished edge to your piece of work, but you can buy a
table for it and use it as a shaper too. There are all kinds of bits
with different cutting styles available.They will do just about any
kind of shaping project you could ask for.

Of course there are many other indispensable tools that you will need
to build you own cabinetry but these are some of the major ones. An
orbital sander and biscuit joiner would be much needed as well as a
number of clamps and other small but very helpful items. There are a
myriad of tools available for the woodworker today, but if you are
just starting out these five are the basics that will get you started
and on your way.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 5:54 pm
From: family-living

Internet Web Systems Culture: Wikipedia and Google

The Internet is constantly changing, requiring regular
structural improvements to academic-genealogy.com
The most comprehensive Genealogy and Family
History online Handbook, How-To-Guide and Manual.

Understanding the Internet: Genealogists & Historians,
at: Top Search Engines and Directories: Genealogy
and Family History Internet Portals and Browsers
http://academic-genealogy.com/topsearchenginesdirectories.htm
INCLUDES: Wikipedia genealog* search results;
listings for over 9,600 entries. Points of interest:

Showing below results 9501 - 9627 of 9627 has,
among many other notables, the well known
Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton, with genealogy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Rodham_Clinton
listed as part of external links:
Hillary Diane Rodham Clinton Genealogy
http://www.gedview.com/rodham/

Related reference: Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.
has genealogical references at Note #178:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

Related reference: John Sidney McCain III
has family reference within his entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain

Thus, as stated before in prior e-mail,
Wikipedia is now politically correct to
use as a reference resource. Thousands
of other valuable surname connections
are made, as well as examples of other
"genealogy" usage.

Wikipedia articles allow inclusion of
historical evaluation and relatedness:
Guild: Apprenticeship - Journeyman
Master Craftsman - Tradesman and
Labour History International links to
Social Security Records, at:
Ancestor Roots Information
http://academic-genealogy.com/ancestorrootsinformationdatabases.htm

What's New in Genealogy &
Family History Resources?
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/whatsnewingenealogyfamilyhistory.htm
This automatic self-updated site
includes current information on:
PC World - URLSnooper Video Download
that can be used to obtain data at:
YouTube - Broadcast Yourself:
for Family History and Genealogy.

Academic Education Learning Resources
for Educators, reviews the genealogy of
academic principles or ideas in specialized
bodies of teaching, realizing that these
constructions will preserve over time, the
framework of invaluable relationships for
individual future family history compilation.
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/academiceducationlearningresources.htm
Genealogy as an Academic Discipline
is evaluated, along with references: the
Prosopon Directory of Prosopographical
Research; also Teaching Family History
An Annotated Bibliography - Steven Mintz
(OAH Magazine of History) and Mathematics
Genealogy Project. Etc.

Books - Publications: Genealogical Materials
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/bookspublicationsgenealogical.htm
presents under Education Publications
& Online Books: Google Book Search.
Search the full view (text) of books,
limited preview or all books. There are
now over 127,500 family history references,
and local history has full view of 10,380
online books, an online library at home.
http://books.google.com/books?lr=&q=local+history&as_brr=1
This is an excellent addition to works in
the Family History Archive, a repository
of histories created by families to record
and celebrate the lives of their ancestors.
http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc/

News, Media and Travel has worldwide
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/newsmediatravel.htm
TRAVEL - WEATHER: weather history.
MEDIA - TELEVISION: current USA TV
listings at MeeVee, to keep updated.
CURRENT INFORMATION IN TRAVEL:
references worldwide, all Transport
in Present-Day Nations and States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_present-day_nations_and_states
TRAVEL - GUIDES: to know the past,
travel - Google Book Search. Full
view offered on 30400 online books.
http://books.google.com/books?q=travel&as_brr=1

Archives and Knowledge Management
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/archives.htm
now offers Personal Web Sites oral history
StoryCorps: Recording America; also
http://www.storycorps.net/
history of business and economics worldwide,
with lists of companies and Portal:Companies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Companies

These are but a very few of the regular structural
improvements being made to academic-genealogy.com
Regional Genealogy and Local History Research,
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/regionalgenealogy.htm
which contains extensive data on world culture,
adds to Western Europe & British Isles:
the British Empire and Portal:British Empire.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:British_Empire
This tremendously aids in understanding
family relationships within British rule overseas.
Regional Genealogy and Local History Research
carefully and assiduously compares online
sources throughout, with FamilySearchWiki.org;
listed only at present, as a footnote to FamilySearch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FamilySearch

Respectfully yours,

Tom Tinney, Sr.
Who's Who in America,
Millennium Edition [54th] through 2004
Who's Who In Genealogy and Heraldry, [both editions]
Family Genealogy & History Internet Education Directory
http://www.academic-genealogy.com/

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