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* Where's the rice? - 1 messages, 1 author
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TOPIC: Warning-US Search
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 6:15 pm
From: George Grapman
Gordon wrote:
> Al Bundy <MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote in news:6504a74f-1218-4030-bc12-
> 563b612ab322@z24g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
>>
>> William Souden wrote:
>>> They offered a basic background check on a person for $5 so I ran one
>>> on myself. For my current address which is listed they had a city where
>>> I have never lived.
>>>
>>>
>> Then again, the rest of us know who we are and where we live and
>> thereby save $5.
>
> Perhaps so. But background checks, credit checks, and drivers license
> records are commonly used for screening job applicant's, renters,
> or to profile you for insurance companies. Incorrect information can
> cost you a job, raise insurance rates, etc.
> So it is a good idea to know if _others_ know who you are.
>
>
Which is why the credit reporting agencies are required to give you
free copies of your report. Unfortunately the companies doing background
checks are not subject to that.
I will try to find the link but one site has you enter a name with a
city and then tells you how many reports it found. It then offers to
sell them to you either individually are as part of a short term
unlimited deal. According to their search there were multiple reports on
"Cxtypju Hdseawety" in San Francisco including civil and criminal
cases,job history and phone numbers.
By the way, I agree that when a customer service voice mail box is
always full the company does that intentionally.
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TOPIC: Where's the rice?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 6:17 pm
From: "catalpa"
" Frank" <noreplay@nothome.net> wrote in message
news:x_KdnaQaQJ32Oo3VnZ2dnUVZ_hqdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> None at the local Sam's Club or Costco for the last couple of weeks, had
> to go to an Asian store to get some ... wow, and I thought gas prices are
> high. For the US, farmers must be switching form rice to corn for the
> ethanol thing. I didn't know that many people eat rice (or hoard rice),
> we're switching more to bread and pasta while still available.
>
Why not just go to a supermarket? There are no problems here buying
American rice. Last week at one store a 20 lb bag of Carolina rice was on
sale for $6.99 and another store had 2 lb bags of rice for $1.00 (advertised
as 10 for $10.00).
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TOPIC: TV on Your PC
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 6:21 pm
From: Gordon
George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in news:1S9Qj.345$506.99
@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
> Gordon wrote:
>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in news:wARPj.9690
$GE1.7999
>> @nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>
>>> Gordon wrote:
>>
>> OK, so I'm not sure what a spot beam has to do with TV delivered over
>> the internet, since the internet doesn't limit what sites you can
>> browse to. So I can check out the local broadcasts from my hometown
>> clear across the country from their web site.
>
> In order to get those locals they would have to have receivers in
> each city and be able to upload each to their servers.
OK, I see. But I don't think any of these companies are running
servers. Think about the massive processing and bandwidth requirments
to process thousands of video channals. Even if the servers were
distributed across the globe, think of the management headaches
and costs of siteing all those servers. So if these guys are only
charging a one time fee and no ongoing monthly fee, there can't be
much physical plant involved.
>>
>> What I think is going on is this: 1)Almost every TV broadcaster has
>> a web site where you can watch the current live broadcast stream and
>> watch missed shows via video on demand.
>
> The networks do this for some shows. Some stations stream their
local news but not network or syndicated shows.
KGW here in Portland pretty much streams everything.
>
>>
>> There are also Hulu, Joost, and TV-Yahoo.
>
> None of them will offer what the poster promised.
[Confusion] None of _who_ will offer what _what poster_ promised??
> By, the way, follow the suggestion of obtaining contact details. A
> legitimate firm will provide a physical address and phone number, not
> a PO Box and voice mail.
>
Point well taken. But I am by nature rather cautious about entering
unfamilier territory. I could have plunked down some money several
days ago. But I am doing more research. I have come to the conclusion
that most of these operators are simply redistributing free stuff that
already exists on the internet. Somewhere there is the Holy Grail
and I aim to find it. And when I do, I'll be happy to share with
the group.
== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 6:55 pm
From: George Grapman
Gordon wrote:
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in news:1S9Qj.345$506.99
> @newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
>
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in news:wARPj.9690
> $GE1.7999
>>> @nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>>
>>>> Gordon wrote:
>>> OK, so I'm not sure what a spot beam has to do with TV delivered over
>>> the internet, since the internet doesn't limit what sites you can
>>> browse to. So I can check out the local broadcasts from my hometown
>>> clear across the country from their web site.
>> In order to get those locals they would have to have receivers in
>> each city and be able to upload each to their servers.
>
>
> OK, I see. But I don't think any of these companies are running
> servers. Think about the massive processing and bandwidth requirments
> to process thousands of video channals. Even if the servers were
> distributed across the globe, think of the management headaches
> and costs of siteing all those servers. So if these guys are only
> charging a one time fee and no ongoing monthly fee, there can't be
> much physical plant involved.
>
Possibly no plant at all save for the computer that takes tour credit
card information and then forgets about you.
>
>>> What I think is going on is this: 1)Almost every TV broadcaster has
>>> a web site where you can watch the current live broadcast stream and
>>> watch missed shows via video on demand.
>> The networks do this for some shows. Some stations stream their
> local news but not network or syndicated shows.
>
> KGW here in Portland pretty much streams everything.
>>> There are also Hulu, Joost, and TV-Yahoo.
>> None of them will offer what the poster promised.
>
> [Confusion] None of _who_ will offer what _what poster_ promised??
>
>> By, the way, follow the suggestion of obtaining contact details. A
>> legitimate firm will provide a physical address and phone number, not
>> a PO Box and voice mail.
>>
>
> Point well taken. But I am by nature rather cautious about entering
> unfamilier territory. I could have plunked down some money several
> days ago. But I am doing more research. I have come to the conclusion
> that most of these operators are simply redistributing free stuff that
> already exists on the internet. Somewhere there is the Holy Grail
> and I aim to find it. And when I do, I'll be happy to share with
> the group.
== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 7:37 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote:
> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in news:1S9Qj.345$506.99
> @newssvr27.news.prodigy.net:
>
>> Gordon wrote:
>>> George Grapman <sfgeorge@paccbell.net> wrote in news:wARPj.9690
>>> $GE1.7999 @nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com:
>>>
>>>> Gordon wrote:
>>>
>>> OK, so I'm not sure what a spot beam has to do with TV delivered
>>> over the internet, since the internet doesn't limit what sites you
>>> can browse to. So I can check out the local broadcasts from my
>>> hometown clear across the country from their web site.
>>
>> In order to get those locals they would have to have receivers in
>> each city and be able to upload each to their servers.
>
>
> OK, I see. But I don't think any of these companies are running
> servers. Think about the massive processing and bandwidth requirments
> to process thousands of video channals. Even if the servers were
> distributed across the globe, think of the management headaches
> and costs of siteing all those servers. So if these guys are only
> charging a one time fee and no ongoing monthly fee, there can't be
> much physical plant involved.
>
>
>>>
>>> What I think is going on is this: 1)Almost every TV broadcaster has
>>> a web site where you can watch the current live broadcast stream and
>>> watch missed shows via video on demand.
>>
>> The networks do this for some shows. Some stations stream their
> local news but not network or syndicated shows.
>
> KGW here in Portland pretty much streams everything.
>>
>>>
>>> There are also Hulu, Joost, and TV-Yahoo.
>>
>> None of them will offer what the poster promised.
>
> [Confusion] None of _who_ will offer what _what poster_ promised??
>
>> By, the way, follow the suggestion of obtaining contact details. A
>> legitimate firm will provide a physical address and phone number, not
>> a PO Box and voice mail.
>>
>
> Point well taken. But I am by nature rather cautious about entering
> unfamilier territory. I could have plunked down some money several
> days ago. But I am doing more research. I have come to the
> conclusion that most of these operators are simply redistributing
> free stuff that already exists on the internet.
> Somewhere there is the Holy Grail
Nope.
> and I aim to find it.
You wont, because it doesnt exist.
> And when I do, I'll be happy to share with the group.
Wont be happening.
== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 7:38 pm
From: "Rod Speed"
Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com> wrote
>>>>> At the risk of looking like a spammer...
>>>>> This is actually a follow up to a post I made last week.
>>>>> I have uncovered some services that will stream
>>>>> network video and video on demand to your PC.
>>>>> Anyway, I'll keep you posted on this.
>>>>> After all, Eliminating the monthly cable bill without giving up TV is very frugal.
>>>> Changing to digital TV is even more frugal.
>>> I'm not following you Rod.
>>> Are you refering to over the air digital TV??
>> Yep. Costs you $10 if you do it the right way.
>> Get a coupon and then buy a cheap set top box from walmart etc.
> Programing selection is kinda' limited tho.
Irrelevant to what is frugal.
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TOPIC: Where the cyclists in America belong: back alleys, gutters and
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 6:42 pm
From: "marika"
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:dvadner4kYJYeI3VnZ2dnUVZ_uydnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
>
> Go back to school and learn how to punctuate, you god damn fucking idiot!
>
> Fucking Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
this reminds me of one of my employees who came in one morning and came
bellowing and asked about the
student employe if we were going to share her or what was going on?
I went to her supevisor and told him the student was here and that she
was going to copy. I needed some files from the other side.
He said o.k.
Anyway, she said if I wanted the Messages answered I
had better let her do something besides copy - I told her I
had nothing to do with that. I was told to start her out on copying
She stomped away and went to her supervisor and told him that they had no
copying to do
and she wanted her to fax. She didn't check with anyon when she
threw a fit.
I told her supervisor that if that's what she wanted to do fine -- I'd be
there the next
week to work it out. I told her supervisor that he needed to check with his
other employees before he let the kook take completely over.
The girl is absolutely nuts!
mk5000
"Instead, the calculating side of my mind was at work: the side that plotted
carefully, planned to get what it wanted and nearly always succeeded. ""
- John Bingham (Five Roundabouts to Heaven)
== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 6:46 pm
From: "marika"
"Tom Keats" <tkeats2005@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b4ipuf.mb.ln@vcn.bc.ca...
>
> Gooood for you. Finish your dinner without getting
> any on your clothes, and you'll get a nice dessert.
>
is he permitted to take his clothes off to accomplish the task?
mk5000
Percy Alleline: Merlin is the fruit of a long cultivation by certain people
in the circus. People who are bound to me as I am to them. People who are
not at all entertained by the failure rate about this place. There's been
too much blown, too much lost, too much wasted. Too many scandals. I've said
so many times, but I might as well have talked to the wind for all the heed
he paid me.
Control: "He" means me, George.
Percy Alleline: The ordinary principles of tradecraft and security have gone
to the wall in this service. It's all "divide and rule," stimulated from the
top.
Control: Me again.
Percy Alleline: We're losing our livelihood. Our self-respect. We've had
enough. We've had a bellyful, in fact.
Control: And like everybody who's ever had enough, he wants more! --Tiner
Tailor Soldier Spy
== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 6:59 pm
From: "marika"
"Edward Dolan" <edolan@iw.net> wrote in message
news:x9mdne2MuvGQyo3VnZ2dnUVZ_smnnZ2d@prairiewave.com...
>
> "Gunner Asch" <gunner@NOSPAMlightspeed.net> wrote in message
> news:lbqu04db42rhobfeqs625kirsqc195cmr8@4ax.com...
> [...]
>> Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional,
>> illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an
>> unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the
>> proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean
>> end.
>
> Gunner is all about turds. He eats them! It is part of his survival
> skills. He also drinks his own piss.
I heard Gandhi did that too.
mk5000
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Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 7:43 pm
From: The Real Bev
Appelation Controlee wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:31:19 +0100, Ivor Jones wrote:
>
>> With that in mind, I have no problem with Google mail, I pass all my mail
>> through a gmail account in order to take advantage of their excellent spam
>> filters.
>
> I do the same. I used to run POPfile (which, after a period of training,
> produces very good results) but Gmail is even better.
> And yes, inbound only, as noted by Gary.
Why would you want spam filters on your outbound mail unless you're a
Polish spammer?
--
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== 1 of 1 ==
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Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 10:09 pm
From: "pepita@prodigy.net"
On Apr 24, 3:40 pm, Dennis <dg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Agreed. We put the metal roof on our (nice, modest) new house after
> being impressed by the similar roof a friend put on his (large,
> upscale) house. We were going for a country farmhouse look, and I
> think the horizontal lap siding in white with the dark green, steep
> pitched (12-12) standing-seam metal roof in dark green fits the bill.
>
Our metal roof does tend to be loud during a heavy rainstorm, but it
is over a cathdral celiling (no attic above the living area), so that
intensifies the sound. However, in a cathedral ceiling situation,
even a traditional shingle style roof is extremely loud in a heavy
rainstorm, too.
Also, noone has mentioned the great advantage of the metal roof in
areas where there is heavy snow: the snow slides right off the roof
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Date: Thurs, Apr 24 2008 10:09 pm
From: aspasia
On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:43:34 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:
>In article <4810d69e$0$30157$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, h wrote:
>>
>>"George" <george@nospam.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:ydWdnS3VDu63Ko3VnZ2dnUVZ_uadnZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> Frank wrote:
>>>>> U.S. Rice is abundant. We grow twice as much rice as we eat. Sam's Club
>>>>> is rationing only ethnic rice. Ordinary long-grain, white rice is
>>>>> cheaper than dirt - take as much as you want.
>>>>
>>>> That maybe the case in your area, but we couldn't find any either at the
>>>> local Sam's Club or Costco stores. No Texas long grain or other type of
>>>> rice. I'd checked Costo again yesterday, the shelves were empty of rice
>>>> as usual for the last few weeks, lots of beans though, LOL. Rice prices
>>>> are very high and if I'm not mistaken, it has already triple for the
>>>> year.
>>> What we are seeing is the result of deciding to grind up food (corn,
>>> grains, rice) to make ethanol to keep the SUVs going without planning
>>> where that extra food will come from. At least we have alternatives here.
>>> How about the people in poor countries who depend on rice for food but we
>>> bought it to make ethanol?
>>
>>But...are there really people in the US who still eat lots of grains, corn,
>>and rice? As a low-carber with a gluten sensitivity, I can't imagine that
>>stuff fed to anything but livestock.
>
> The low carb craze has increased grain demands by increasing demand for
>livestock. Ethanol demand came in time to rescue grain farmers from the
>decline of the low carb craze.
>
> - Don Klipstein (don@misty.com)
Or rather corn ethanol demand was craftily engineered by influential
agribusinessmen in certain "heartland" states, shoveling out their
contributions to our beloved Congress-whores. They did not care what
ripple effects this would create in the Third World, where people are
now starving. Effects even felt in our neighbor to the South, where
the price of corn went through the ceiling, affecting tortillas -- a
standard food, like wheat bread in the States.
Nobody bothered to check with knowledgeable scientists as to the state
of ethanol fuel technology . Not that it would have deterred the
cynical profiteers if they *had* run the science. (Incidentally, there
are so many crops that would be far better, with less downside, for
fuel technology, leading off with marijuana's little cousin, hemp. It
grows on any soil, reseeds itself, costs virtually nothing to produce.
Even Brazil, that was using sugar cane waste, is reconsidering the
technology.)
These Administration hot flashes, like Bush's notorious "hydrogen"
speech, are devoid of science or common sense. His handlers have
stuff written for him, and he reads it -- has gotten real good
at rasslin' that teleprompter! Nobody bothered to verify the
easily available science showing the wildly incomplete state of
hydrogen fuel technology.
Tfui!
Aspasia
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