Frugal Living: 25 new messages in 14 topics

Sunday, August 17, 2008

25 new messages in 14 topics - digest

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Today's topics:

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TOPIC: Oil for plastic laptop hinges
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 1:53 pm
From: Jason

Rod Speed wrote:
> john hamilton <bluestar@mail.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The hinges on our Fujitsu laptop screen appear to be 'all' plastic and they get very 'difficult to move' making the
>> screen difficult to fold up and down.
>
>> We have have tried 'WD-40', but that seems effective for only a very short time.
>
> And is bad for the plastic.
>
>> We are afraid to use ordinary oil as we thought it might effect the plastic.
>
> So does WD-40.
>

WD40 is nasty stuff with most plastics. It seems to get inside the plastic and
it disintegrates suddenly and catastrophically at a later date.

-- JJ

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TOPIC: air jordan shoes cheap sell sale
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/5e77e00a3f97c092?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:02 pm
From: Al Bundy

lily wrote:

Do you have the real fake shoes or simply the fake fake shoes?
This reminds me of the business man that was traveling in China and
burned a hole in his dress shirt before a big meeting. No problem.
Shirts were cheap and plentiful there. He said to the local shop
owner, "Make me a half dozen silk shirts just like this one." When he
went to put on a shirt for the meeting he found that every shirt had
the same cigarette hole burned in it.

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TOPIC: Facts on Georgia-Russia conflict expose Bush's continual lying.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/163a0b9c89b58f8b?hl=en
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:05 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 16, 8:21 pm, wis...@yahoo.com wrote:
> http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?s=russia&submit=go
>
> Thank goodness White House propaganda mill garbage and the general
> media
> swill is being rejected.
>
> ted

However, Bush showed superior restraint in not patting that women's
beach volleyball star on her ass last week.

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TOPIC: refinancing a double to get moved quickly - questions
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c46772999d5969df?hl=en
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:21 pm
From: Al Bundy

OhioGuy wrote:
> I have a question about refinancing a home loan, and about how banks view a
> rental property, and perhaps what order we should do things if we want to
> move in the next few months. (move out to the suburbs in the same area - not
> long distance)
>

In this and several other posts, you have revealed a tremendous gap in
education and maturity. You have put yourself in a tough situation.
The wife did not just "discover" she was pregnant. She most likely
planned it exactly that way. Your best step in all this is to retrieve
your testicles from the wife's purse immediately and do what you have
to do to extricate yourself from the pending financial doom. Your
sister long ago knew of your weakness and perhaps also that the purse
in question is not even half full.

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 4:53 pm
From: hchickpea@hotmail.com

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:21:43 -0700 (PDT), Al Bundy
<MSfortune@mcpmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>OhioGuy wrote:
>> I have a question about refinancing a home loan, and about how banks view a
>> rental property, and perhaps what order we should do things if we want to
>> move in the next few months. (move out to the suburbs in the same area - not
>> long distance)
>>
>
>In this and several other posts, you have revealed a tremendous gap in
>education and maturity. You have put yourself in a tough situation.
>The wife did not just "discover" she was pregnant. She most likely
>planned it exactly that way. Your best step in all this is to retrieve
>your testicles from the wife's purse immediately and do what you have
>to do to extricate yourself from the pending financial doom. Your
>sister long ago knew of your weakness and perhaps also that the purse
>in question is not even half full.

Gotta agree. Freeloading sister, wife going "oh, by the way..."
Sounds like life's a bitch for OhioGuy.

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TOPIC: Circuit City Gift Cards - bankruptcy
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:28 pm
From: Al Bundy

On Aug 14, 10:05 pm, "OhioGuy" <n...@none.net> wrote:
> > And you just discovered this in Kiplinger's today? How behind the
> > curve are you anyway?
>
> I think you missed the point - I wasn't personally aware of Circuit City
> having solvency problems, because I don't shop there, and am not very
> familiar with their stores, so I don't keep up on news related to them. As
> such, I figured there just might be someone out there reading this group
> that might have a Circuit City gift card, and who also hasn't heard of their
> "impending doom". However, if my post convinced even ONE person to go out
> and spend their gift card now, and it goes belly up in a month or so, then
> I'll feel that it was worth taking the couple of minutes to post my original
> message.

Based on that silly theory, you should post all the news in the world
right here on this sight just in case somebody missed something. Come
on. Are you still in hight school?

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TOPIC: Osama Fan Vera "Mirelle" Perks Crotch Cannibal Recipe
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/3677a124728a8cc8?hl=en
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== 1 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:33 pm
From: mirellealqus@yahoo.ca

On Aug 17, 10:32 am, Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:

ANNOUNCING.....

Enrollment begins for classes in the art of fellatio, taught by world
renowned fellatrix Vera "Mirelle" Perks of Silverton, BC - that's Me!

I'm 54 years young last April, I'm HOT, and I've got LOTS of energy!
It's one of the reasons (only one) my Jew stepson and his Jewish
Princess wife Naomi moved with their baby RBP to KangarooLand. My
other Jew stepson and his wife Michelle avoid me, my real (non-Jew)
son won't talk to me, so I'm counting on you all!

"Great head has more than just penis action to it.
There are the balls to suck and roll around with the tongue....
And go back to the penis slowly tickling the head
ever so playfully....
And motions of up and down the penis with the tongue
ever so playfully.....
It takes having them tell the woman they are about to come and have
the woman pull gently on his balls as a man can not come when his
balls are descended for when a man has an orgasm his balls go up. Also
stop moving while doing this gentle pulling down of the balls."
- Mirelle, 17 Jan 2007 22:00:00
Message-ID: <1169099999.979954.5...@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>

WANTED! Volunteers (male only) to serve in class as models for My
artistry. Sign up at the Church of the Revolving Vulva, or call Me at
250-358-2727. If I'm not available, you can leave a message with
Shaulik, My Jew hubby and personal dhimmi.

NO FAGS. Faggots are unnatural, disgusting, and I hate them.
See My space at http://moaningmirelle.blogspot.com/

Fuck zioniSStSS.
Fuck iSSrael!
See ya in class!

4APieceMirelle
I am a BIG FAN of Osama bin Laden
(Had A Piece Lately?)

== 2 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:34 pm
From: mirellealqus@yahoo.ca

On Aug 17, 10:29 am, Mirelle <anamin...@gmail.com> wrote:

ANNOUNCING.....

Enrollment begins for classes in the art of fellatio, taught by world
renowned fellatrix Vera "Mirelle" Perks of Silverton, BC - that's Me!

NO FAGS. Faggots are unnatural, disgusting, and I hate them.
See My space at http://moaningmirelle.blogspot.com/

Fuck zioniSStSS.
Fuck iSSrael!
See ya in class!

4APieceMirelle
I am a BIG FAN of Osama bin Laden
(Had A Piece Lately?)

== 3 of 3 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:52 pm
From: Mirelle

On Aug 17, 2:34 pm, mirelleal...@yahoo.ca wrote:

Forgery by Deborah Sharavi aka Edward Rosen.

Remember this post, rosen/slime:
http://tinyurl.com/577jeg
_____________________________________

Deborah Sharavi Oct 11 2004, 11:32 pm

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:17:58 +0200, "Heinrich"
<Heinr...@mailgate.org> wrote:
> As usual, you left out the part about the IDF eating their
> palestinian prey after they kill them.
> It's the reason the dead palestinian
> numbers are so low and the missing count is so high.

Nonsense. Pallies haul them away to their top restaurants.

Cider-Braised Palestinian Kid

8 small sage leaves
1 Palestinian Kid (can substitute pork, rattlesnake, or vulture)
2 Tbsp. chicken fat
1 medium onion, chopped coarsely
1 carrot, chopped coarsely
1 small turnip, chopped coarsely
2 cups apple cider or apple juice
1 bouquet garni made by tying together
3 sprigs of parsley, 2 sprigs of thyme and 1/2 bay leaf
1/4 cup parsley, chopped

Divide the sage leaves into equal portions and dress the kid.
In a large flameproof casserole, melt the fat over a high flame.
Brown the kid in the melted fat, and then remove and reduce the flame.
Add the onion, carrot and turnip, cover and let simmer for an hour.
Place the kid on vegetables and pour on the cider.
Bring to a boil, add the bouquet garni, cover and transfer to a medium
oven for 2 hours.
Remove the kid from the casserole and set aside to keep warm.
Strain the liquids in the casserole, pressing down on the vegetables
to squeeze out the liquids.
Place the kid on a warmed serving platter, pour over some of the
juices and sprinkle with the parsley.
Serve the remaining juices separately.

Serves lots of Pallies.

Deborah

http://tinyurl.com/ddkek (8th post)

http://fourthreichisrael.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/this-is-how-violent-zionists-are-zionist-cannibalistic-recipe/

Mirelle

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TOPIC: Frugal ideas
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 2:53 pm
From: jeeppintom@webtv.net (Tommy)

A simple programable mechanical 15 amp timer should work for around $5.
I believe Lowes sells a spring wound 60 timer also. Anyway look at the
bottom or back of the coffee maker check the amps, and wattage, and do
the math.

Tommy

== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:16 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:33:06 +0200 (CEST), Gordon <gonzo@alltomyself.com>
wrote:

I know that your list reflects your lifestyle, so I'm not critisizing it.
On the other hand, I am lazy, and since you took the trouble of writing out
your list, why should I waste my energy? I'll just remora onto your list,
pointing out my differences. Thanks for the list. Now, if you'll excuse
my whilst I attach my rubber remora lips.... SLURP!

>- Owning one car.
We still have two. American independance, and all that.

>- A used car, paid with cash.
Both of ours are used, and 10 years old.

>- Using Public transportion.
Not available at all, in our village. (Yes, there are villages in the USA!)

>- Walking to destinations up to 1 mile away.
There are NO destinations less then 1 mile away from where we live. Unless
you count Ms Croutlier, and I wouldn't even want to drive to her house.
The nearest business is a convenience store, 2 miles away.

>- Sticking to the basics at the Grocery store.
We do that.
>- Shopping the Grocery Outlet and Bread Outlet.
We do that, but ONLY when we're in that town. (18 miles away)
>- No Cable TV.
We have no TV service at all. Not because we're superior, but because
we're in a valley and get Zero, as in NADA, ZILCH, NYET, NONE reception.
Thank God for Netflix (($24/month) anad the Internet.
>- Make my own Coffee
Well, duh. Who doesn't? Do you use a French Press? If not, you should.
Do you go to StarBuX? If so, you shouldn't.
>- Freeware Programs on the computer.
My friends call me "that cheap bastard that never pays for anything." Come
to think of it, why do I consider them to be friends?
>- Watch Priemium TV programing on the computer.
ditto.
>- Don't use VCR anymore to time shift programs,
What the flying fuck does this mean?
> All the network programs are available on line.
You said that, already
>- Reduce the amount of trash going to the curb and
> get a smaller garbage tip cart (Garbage fee is
> lower for the smaller cart).
Not here. $1 per bag of trash. However, we redeem our beverage bottles,
"redoom" our glass and plastics, feed the EXTREMELY rare meat scraps to our
dogs, vermipost (feed to our worm "farm") about 1/4 our veggie waste, and
compost the rest of our veggie waste. Our trash "fees" run about $2 per
month.
>- Use cell phone for LD.
no cell phones. 2 cent per minute calling plan.
>- USe M to M for LD since it is free.
I honestly did not understand that last sentence.
>- Use passive solar for heat in the winter (just open
> the shades and let the sun shine in.
Ditto, but no kudos to us. The guy who built our house was insane, and
built a southern facing sun room, and a brick floor. It mostly works, but
no thanks to anthying we did.
>- Share baby clothes with other moms.
No babies anymore, but we gave away all the clothes.

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TOPIC: Reviving dried-out typewriter ribbon
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:16 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:07:20 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<angelicapaganelli@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>So, what kind of emergency do you envision wherein electricity would
>be
>unavailable and yet typewriting would be important? If there's no
>electricity,
>I'm going to be worried about access to food, cash, and gasoline, not
>whether
>I can produce a neatly turned out "Send Help" message.
>
>Cindy Hamilton

Wow. I suspected that the message was a leg-pull, but Cindy really nailed
it. I bow to the master!

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TOPIC: clothesline
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:17 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 02:54:27 -0500, Dan Birchall
<nobody@imaginary-host.danbirchall.com> wrote:

>haaa@noway.net (Stephanie) wrote:
>> VERY approximately how long does it take to dry regular clothes
>> on the line?
>
>Full sun, and a breeze? Probably 2-3 hours. Calm and cloudy, longer.
>Raining, longer.

I mostly agree with Mr. Dan. Now that I live in the Frozen North, drying
time is between 2 and 6 hours, depending on weather.

However, when I used to live in West Texas, it was much shorter, and the
shortest time ever was one day when the temperature was 105, AND there was
a strong breeze. I hung up the clothes on a clothes-line, and by the time
I got to the end, the clothes I hung first were dry. So I went down the
line hanging the clothes, then went down the line UN-hanging the clothes.

Never happened to me again, but it was fun.

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TOPIC: Cottage Cheese - $2.69 for 24 oz. - good deal?
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:18 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:52:26 -0400, "OhioGuy" <none@none.net> wrote:

> I saw store brand cottage cheese at Kroger for $2.69 a 24 ounce container.
>It seemed kind of high, so I stopped by a Save-A-Lot thinking it might be
>more like $2.30 there. Instead, they had the same exact price.

That actually seems cheap, here in mid-state New York. This is good news
for me, as for the first time ever, it's going to be cheaper for me to make
cottage cheese, then to buy it. So now, I'll finally learn how to make it.

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TOPIC: Compact Flourescent bulbs
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.consumers.frugal-living/browse_thread/thread/c541905216cc4817?hl=en
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== 1 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:19 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson <me@privacy.net>
wrote:

>Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs? To me
>they seem to last the same length of time as the regular
>incandescants. For the extra expense they cost I think I am spending
>more.

My first try was with "lights of America", or something like that. Biggest
piece of **** I've ever bought. Burned out almost immediately. Then I
bought others, that seemed to be about 1/2 long-lasting, and half short
lived.

Finally, I bought a case of GE bulbs. I bought a case of 25, and in 3
years, ony 2 have burned out. ( I lost 3 bulbs in total, but only because
I dropped one on a stone floor)

In my experience, they've got the bugs out, and any main brand light will
pay for itself.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:19 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:42:22 +0000 (UTC), don@manx.misty.com (Don
Klipstein) wrote:

> What causes CFLs to sometimes die young:
>
>1. If they are bad brands. In general, CFLs do better if they ahevthe
>"Energy Star" logo or if they are one of the "Big 3" major brands
>(Philips, Sylvania, GE).
>
> My experience is that Lights of America has a high rate of very
>premature failure, although that has caused me to largely avoid them since
>2002. They may have improved since.
>
> Also in my experience, $1-$2 CFLs of "dollar store brands" at dollar
>stores are absolute stool specimens. My experience with these include:

Don,
While I don't agree with some of your writing, I think you did us all a
service with an overall well written post. Thank you.

I have only a few addendums/refutations:

1. I agree with you regardng brands. I've had a lot of good luck with GE.

2. Again, I agree. Lights of America flat out suck. I would not take them,
even if they were free. Twice bitten, thrice shy.

3. I understand what you mean about the $1 light bulbs, but have to say
that I picked up 2 cases of GOOD bulbs on a special promotion at a hardware
store. I bought 2 cases of 25 bulbs of GE on sale for $1 per bulb, and
still have 42 bullbs left. Enought for another 20 years, I'm sure.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 4:46 pm
From: terryc

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 13:41:05 -0400, Russell Patterson wrote:

> Is anybody getting the life expectancy out of these new bulbs?

No, midxed bag.

The best life I've had is some Phillips 100W heavy glass versions (edison
screw) that have been around for a few years and now seem rather dull.

We have all the "labels" for each incandescent thumb tacked inside a
pantry door with the date they were istalled. generlly not ipressed with
the short life (less than a year).

I should really takeit to the next step and start docoing this on the web.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:50 pm
From: terryc

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 15:47:06 -0400, h wrote:

> ???They cost 3 times as much, but last 6-7 years, as opposed to 6-7 months.

OOOOOHHHH, which brand and where do you get them?
I'd be happy with 6-7 months instead og 6-7 weeks.

> They also use less electricity for the same wattage, so there's a utilities
> savings.

Do you have any comparative figures from your globes.
Did you measure Power Factor?

> Also, they put out less heat, so cooling costs are reduced.
But heating bills are increased.

> The tiny amount of mercury in them is not an issue at all even
> if you break one, which is not exactly easy to do.

Have you tried dropping one?
I low how piles of stuff have mercury trace element warnings
attached. I wonder why it is a problem in those products.

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TOPIC: Buying a used car - Tips
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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 3:19 pm
From: P.W. Stynx

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:43:06 -0400, Chuckcar <Chuck@nil.kcar> wrote:

>Do what i do look for and buy a kcar. I own a busted up 1981 Plymouth
>Reliant. It worked for me, i know the car has more rust than metal but i
>don't care because i'm one the the biggest cheapskates this world has ever
>known. Happy motoring!!

Free is my favorite 4-letter word, too, but I'm not familiar with the term
"K-car." What does that mean?

Personally, we buy a 10-year-old car every two years, run it into the
ground, then buy another. Way cheaper then buying and maintaining a new
car, IMNSHO.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 4:17 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

P.W. Stynx <tataf4now@readio.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:43:06 -0400, Chuckcar <Chuck@nil.kcar> wrote:
>
>> Do what i do look for and buy a kcar. I own a busted up 1981 Plymouth
>> Reliant. It worked for me, i know the car has more rust than metal
>> but i don't care because i'm one the the biggest cheapskates this
>> world has ever known. Happy motoring!!
>
>
> Free is my favorite 4-letter word, too, but I'm not familiar with the
> term "K-car." What does that mean?

> Personally, we buy a 10-year-old car every two years,
> run it into the ground, then buy another.

How do you manage to run a 10 year old car into the ground in just 2 years ?

> Way cheaper then buying and maintaining a new car, IMNSHO.

Way cheaper to not run it into the ground in just 2 years.

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 4:39 pm
From: Vic Smith

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:17:26 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>P.W. Stynx <tataf4now@readio.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:43:06 -0400, Chuckcar <Chuck@nil.kcar> wrote:
>>
>>> Do what i do look for and buy a kcar. I own a busted up 1981 Plymouth
>>> Reliant. It worked for me, i know the car has more rust than metal
>>> but i don't care because i'm one the the biggest cheapskates this
>>> world has ever known. Happy motoring!!
>>
>>
>> Free is my favorite 4-letter word, too, but I'm not familiar with the
>> term "K-car." What does that mean?
>
>> Personally, we buy a 10-year-old car every two years,
>> run it into the ground, then buy another.
>
>How do you manage to run a 10 year old car into the ground in just 2 years ?
>
>> Way cheaper then buying and maintaining a new car, IMNSHO.
>
>Way cheaper to not run it into the ground in just 2 years.
>
I do fine buying 5-7 year old cars and running them about 10 years.
You can find them with 50-70k miles.
If selected right, they need little maintenance, but you have to take
care of them to get the 10 years.
But everybody has different expectations for their cars.

--Vic

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:29 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Vic Smith <thismailautodeleted@comcast.net> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> P.W. Stynx <tataf4now@readio.org> wrote
>>> Chuckcar <Chuck@nil.kcar> wrote

>>>> Do what i do look for and buy a kcar. I own a busted up 1981
>>>> Plymouth Reliant. It worked for me, i know the car has more rust
>>>> than metal but i don't care because i'm one the the biggest
>>>> cheapskates this world has ever known. Happy motoring!!

>>> Free is my favorite 4-letter word, too, but I'm not
>>> familiar with the term "K-car." What does that mean?

>>> Personally, we buy a 10-year-old car every two years,
>>> run it into the ground, then buy another.

>> How do you manage to run a 10 year old car into the ground in just 2 years ?

>>> Way cheaper then buying and maintaining a new car, IMNSHO.

>> Way cheaper to not run it into the ground in just 2 years.

> I do fine buying 5-7 year old cars and running them about 10 years.
> You can find them with 50-70k miles.
> If selected right, they need little maintenance,
> but you have to take care of them to get the 10 years.

Not if you get the right car. My last one lasted 35+ years with
no maintenance at all except when it needed that to be usable.

> But everybody has different expectations for their cars.

They do indeed. Certainly once they are over 15 years old they arent as reliable as say one 5 years old.

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:54 pm
From: "Brad Naylor"

"P.W. Stynx" <tataf4now@readio.org> wrote in message
news:lv8ha4pv3l7gdlqf4e726qm8rnc0kna5ip@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:43:06 -0400, Chuckcar <Chuck@nil.kcar> wrote:
>
> Free is my favorite 4-letter word, too, but I'm not familiar with the term
> "K-car." What does that mean?

Back in the early 80s or so, Chrysler was in one of its constant flirtations
with bankruptcy, only this time it was really serious. The CEO at the time
was Lee Iacocca and he pleaded with the government to back the company with
loan guarantees until their newest shitbox car, built on a platform code
named 'k', could be built. Those cars came to be known as k-cars and truly
trash they were. But there was enough hype about these cars that lots of
them were bought. Enough so that the government's loan to the company
earned $300 million. There is no end to the gullibility of the American
consumer, it seems.

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TOPIC: Frugal travel tips
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 4:52 pm
From: William Souden

I am very happy staying a lower end places like Motel 6 or Days Inn
as I will only use the room to sleep.

Sometimes you can find cheaper places outside of a major city and
take public transit each day.

Check the shuttle and mass transit options from airports, You can get
from JFK to midtown Manhattan via rail for $12.Bus/subway even cheaper
but ,to me, not worth the hassle.

Got to high end restaurants for lunch. Sometimes the only difference
from dinner is the price.

Try the breakfast buffet at an upscale hotel. You gel all the ambiance
and might not need to eat again until dinner.

Check for daily and weekly transit passes. In New York $22 get
unlimited bus and subway for a week and,best of all, the week starts not
when you but it but when you first use it.

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TOPIC: Any suggestions - internet data card ?
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Date: Sun, Aug 17 2008 5:53 pm
From: terryc

On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 13:07:02 -0400, Shawn Hirn wrote:

> and there are tons of free or inexpensive wi-fi access points in the
> United States and elsewhere around the world,

not in this country there isn't.

> such as public libraries,
> book stores, coffee shops, even McDonalds.

How are Maccas on people just wandering in to use their free wifi without
purchasing anything? TANSTAAFL.

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