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== 1 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 9:44 am
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

Once again for the right wing asshole:

" Move along asshole. You have proven yourself incapable of learning or
thinking clearly. Its a trait common to right wingers."

-->You proved it when you deleated the text of the post!

The fact is, big 3 management is the source of the problem. That you are
too stupid to admit that, shows us that you here to troll and play stupid,
instead of learning -- which all you right wigners need to be doing after
the election results.

In <577ae01f-9118-4374-8fb9-28e44c6c07ca@k19g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>, on
11/22/2008
at 09:22 AM, Daniel <sabot120mm@hotmail.com> said:

>On Nov 22, 11:21 am, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>> Move along asshole. You have proven yourself incapable of learning or
>> thinking clearly. Its a trait common to right wingers.

>Translation: I have been beaten down by my betters, so now I will just
>foam at the mouth.

== 2 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 9:55 am
From: "Evelyn"

"Marsha" <mas@xeb.net> wrote in message news:gg91ur$m8h$1@news.datemas.de...
> Snowbound wrote:
>> In article <gg4t3b$76f$1@news.datemas.de>, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:
>>
>>> The subject was health benefits for union workers to cover abortion
>>> (among other things), to which you gave an idiotic response.
>>
>
>> Your advocacy of outlawing abortion only for women who can't afford to
>> travel someplace where it is safe and legal is worse.
>
> How did you arrive at that conclusion? I didn't say that.
>
>>It is a direct throwback to the days of slavery, the closest this land has
>>ever been to enforced abortion. You would condemn the entire nation into
>>being a prison for women simply to enforce your anti-empirical policies,
>>usually based on religious faith. Then you would staunchly ignore the very
>>pain and suffering you cultivated, claiming "they" have no right to your
>>greedy prosperity.
>
> Slavery? Apples and oranges. You insult African-Americans with that
> statement. Aren't anti-life women the same ones who supposedly "own"
> their bodies, hence their choice. If they own their bodies, they should
> take more responsibility for not getting pregnant. And please don't throw
> in the tired old argument about rape and incest. That accounts for what,
> 0.05% if truth be told? Did you know that many women who get an abortion
> are repeaters? What a nice way to control the population. And why do you
> assume that my opinion on abortion is based on religious faith?

It's a safe bet.

--
--
Best Regards,
Evelyn

(Our) enemies are not man. They are intolerance, fanaticism, dictatorship,
cupidity, hatred and discrimination, which lie within the heart of man." --
Thich Nhat Hanh

== 3 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 4:58 pm
From: BE-VA

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:52:42 -0800 (PST), Daniel
<sabot120mm@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Nov 21, 5:51 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangal...@testland.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Nov 2008 08:57:39 -0800 (PST), Daniel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Nov 19, 9:34 pm, BE-VA <blackwater-evangal...@testland.net> wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:23:55 -0800 (PST), Daniel
>>
>> >> <sabot12...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Nov 18, 5:22 pm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>> >> >> In <96c903fc-9181-4782-a256-6a80cc40e...@a17g2000prm.googlegroups.com>, on
>> >> >> 11/18/2008
>> >> >> at 01:32 PM, Daniel <sabot12...@hotmail.com> said:
>>
>> >> >> >On Nov 18, 1:29 pm, TruthTel...@nospam.net wrote:
>> >> >> >> You people need to do some homework. The so-called $73 ph, is not cash.
>> >> >> >> it includes benefits and retirement costs.
>> >> >> >Which is STILL too much money for an unskilled laborer that does nothing
>> >> >> >more than hold a tool.
>>
>> >> >> Do your homework. Its not unskilled labor anymore.
>>
>> >> >Your job consists of holding a tool that does all the work for you.
>> >> >That by itself is the definition of unskilled. If you don't like it,
>> >> >tough.
>>
>> >> While I agree with you with regards to pay for work done I don't agree
>> >> with your premise -- by your premise a military pilot flying a 25
>> >> million dollar aircraft is unskilled labor since all he does is sit in
>> >> the cockpit and pull levers and push buttons.
>>
>> >Except that pilot has a 4 year college education, and at least a year
>> >of flight school to learn to fly said aircraft, and does it for far
>> >less than the toothess goober that holds the machine to tighten lug
>> >nuts.
>>
>> Never the less he is what you said is an unskilled worker because, in
>> most modern day aircraft, the pilot is only there to make sure that
>> the take-off and landing are performed properly. Everything else is
>> done by the machine.
>
>
>Never flown a fighter jet I see.

And you're never seen the cockpit of one (excepting in your computer
games.) I have more time as crew in military aircraft than you have in
your local bar, cillivillian.

Gear up, Flaps up, Rings off...The beginning of another 10 days in
WestPac.

== 4 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 5:06 pm
From: LeRoy Blue

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:50:41 -0500, "Evelyn" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Sorry if I sound somewhat pessimistic, but this abortion issue was decided
>fairly many years ago with roe v. wade and the religious wackos have been
>trying to overturn it ever since.

Do you and those like you qualify as "Abortion Wackos" since you have
been supporting Roe vs Wade for so many years?

== 5 of 5 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 6:20 pm
From: Snowbound

In article <gg91ur$m8h$1@news.datemas.de>, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

> > Your advocacy of outlawing abortion only for women who can't afford
> > to travel someplace where it is safe and legal is worse.
>
> How did you arrive at that conclusion? I didn't say that.

Just about as good:

In article <gg4t3b$76f$1@news.datemas.de>, Marsha <mas@xeb.net> wrote:

> The subject was health benefits for union workers to cover abortion
> (among other things), to which you gave an idiotic response. I think
> it would be cheaper to eliminate people like you, rather than have
> you continue screwing up the world.
>
> Marsha

And then:

> Slavery? Apples and oranges. You insult African-Americans with that
> statement.

Rather they be insulted than have legislation restricting mostly what
they can do. Yes, restrictive abortion laws (those which are not
medically founded) affect a much greater proportion of black women than
white. Why? Because black women comprise the largest ethnic population
living in poverty in America today. Men and women of means often
support anti-abortion legislation because they know if their wives or
daughters ever need one, they can afford to travel to get it. The only
poor women who support abortion laws are those who have been deceived
by their faith.

> And please don't throw in the tired old argument about rape and
> incest.

Why not? You brought up the chestnut about women being responsible for
their bodies, thus exculpating men as if they had no involvement in the
matter at all. Why not just legislate against men fucking women they
aren't will to be responsible toward afterward? Why restrict just the
women? I thought all abortion foes were egalitarian. And if they are
not, they should not be allowed to influence legislation.

> why do you assume that my opinion on abortion is based on religious
> faith?

Because there is no other medical nor scientific reason to oppose
abortion. Not that (given the unsourced statistics you issued) I think
you much care about facts when it comes to this matter.

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 11:26 am
From: Tony

I was in India on business. Yes i wore a gasmask and stayed at a 5 star
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== 1 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 11:55 am
From: val189

On Nov 19, 9:21 pm, "Bill" <billnomailnosp...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Wired doorbells have a transformer which is always on and always using
> electricity. This is yet one more thing in the house which does this like
> TV, microwave, remote control things, things with clocks, plug-in phones,
> etc.

Nickel and dime stuff, not to mention the time you put into the
conversion.

== 2 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 4:40 pm
From: "Bill"

This thread has seemed to hit a nerve!

Why are so many people getting upset that I am working to eliminate "vampire
loads" in my house and reduce my electric bill?

Anyway here are the facts about "vampire power" for those who are interested
in this (can be 5% of your electric bill and 75% of the power for electronic
things is used while the devices are turned off!)....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standby_power

== 3 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 6:33 pm
From: The Daring Dufas

Bill wrote:
> This thread has seemed to hit a nerve!
>
> Why are so many people getting upset that I am working to eliminate "vampire
> loads" in my house and reduce my electric bill?
>
> Anyway here are the facts about "vampire power" for those who are interested
> in this (can be 5% of your electric bill and 75% of the power for electronic
> things is used while the devices are turned off!)....
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standby_power
>
>
Many years ago when I started working on
electronic devices, I worked in a TV repair
shop when television sets had tubes, not
just a picture tube but the whole freaking
chassis. The heat put out by an old tube
type TV set was enough to keep a small
house warm. There was a considerable wait
for the dinosaur video displays to come to
life because all those tubes had to warm up.
As a convenience feature, manufacturers
added a feature called "instant on". This
kept all those tube filaments warm with
partial power. I imagine the standby power
for the old sets would be enough to run more
than several modern televisions. One of the
TV manufacturers held a seminar in town for
all of their dealers where they showed off
the new line of televisions that had the new
fangled switching power supplies that allowed
a solid state transistorized TV to operate
on less than a hundred watts of power and when
the incoming line voltage dropped as low as 80
volts AC. It was an impressive demonstration
on that day 35 years ago.

TDD

== 4 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 7:22 pm
From: letterman@invalid.com

On Wed, 19 Nov 2008 23:00:16 -0600, Dave Garland
<dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote:

>E Z Peaces wrote:
>> I've tried battery-powered wireless door chimes. I used AA alkalines,
>> which have a much longer shelf life than conventional carbon-zinc. The
>> problem was the current draw of the receivers. A set of batteries would
>> last only a few months, and a lot of visitors might leave frustrated
>> before I realized my chime was out of service.
>
>Why use battery-powered chimes (as opposed to transmitters)? My
>wireless chimes plug into outlets (upstairs and downstairs chimes).
>Being as they make noise, it's not like precise location is critical.
>The transmitters use a "N" battery every 3-4 years. You do have to
>check occasionally to make sure it's still working.
>
>The operating cost (75 cents per year for batteries, and whatever the
>line draw is) is probably more than a transformer-operated bell but
>we're way down in the noise range of expense.
>
>Dave

The thing is, there is a doorbell that does not need any electrical
power. Simply mount a nice looking brass bell on the wall next to the
door, using a bracket. Drill a small hole in the wall a couple feet
above the bell, and attach a piece of nylon string to the bell. Push
the other end of the string thru the hole in the wall and let it hang
outside. Put a nice wooden bead on the end of the string. Then place
a sign that reads "PULL STRING FOR DOORBELL".

Cost: The price of the bell, bracket, string and bead. No further
costs for life, and no electrical energy needed ever.

== 5 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 7:36 pm
From: Jim Redelfs

In article <330gi4ht18500dqtaf2ehq5vah4qf4stfd@4ax.com>,
KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote:

>> Post a sign: "Knock REALLY LOUDLY!"

> You must not know any deaf people personally.

Au contraire, my condescending "friend". He would find my approach to
this inane thread quite amusing.

> Your ignorance is showing.

You are mistaking cynicism for ignorance.
--
JR

== 6 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 8:03 pm
From: Jim Redelfs

In article <6orn35F54doaU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:

> This thread has seemed to hit a nerve!

More than one, to be sure.

> Why are so many people getting upset that I am working to eliminate
> "vampire loads" in my house and reduce my electric bill?

Since you finally revealed the motivation for your actions, I can
address it specifically: Your efforts, particularly with the doorbell
transformer switch, are misapplied.

If, instead of using the clothes dryer, you were to hang a couple or
three loads of laundry on a line to dry, you would save more money on
your electric bill than you would during a lifetime without so-called
"phantom" loads against your bill.

> Anyway here are the facts about "vampire power" for those
> who are interested in this

I couldn't care less about the vampire power consumption in my home.
The cost of such usage is the price I pay - WILLINGLY - for the
convenience of not worrying about such trivial and ridiculous things.

I cheerfully decline to unplug my cell phone charger between uses. That
the transformer powering my rarely used doorbell consumes power does not
concern me in the least.

My home is well insulated. My motor vehicles are sufficiently fuel
efficient for what they do for me. I turn off lights in unoccupied
rooms and turn down the thermostat (during heating season) during the
night and when the house is unoccupied. Likewise, I turn it up (during
the cooling season) under the same conditions.

I do not litter. I sparingly use the most benign, approved chemicals
that will do what I need.

With all of that done, I am content to ignore so-called "phantom" or
"vampire" energy consumption. It is, comparatively, such a miniscule
part of my total energy consumption, that I don't even think of it.
This silly thread has caused me to think of it and, in doing so, I am
even more convinced now that I am doing the right thing.

I appreciate your conservation efforts although I believe your time
would be more productive spent volunteering at a hospital or social
support organization.

If, after you have implemented all the "first tier" conservation
practices and improvements, you wish to further pursue the incredibly
minor conservation items, be my guest.

I thank God that I live in a country and society where you are free to
pursue such things. I further thank God that I am free to NOT do
likewise. I will always remain vigilant that such freedom continues
despite the ongoing efforts of those that would deny those freedoms.

Translation: I will vigorously oppose the day when a Doorbell
Transformer Switch is mandated by my government at any level.

Second translation: Stick a CF bulb in it and SCREW IT!
--
:)
JR

== 7 of 7 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 8:50 pm
From: "Rod Speed"

Bill <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:

> This thread has seemed to hit a nerve!

Nope, most are just rubbing your nose in your stupidity.

> Why are so many people getting upset that I am working to eliminate "vampire loads" in my house and reduce my electric
> bill?

No one is getting upset, just rubbing your nose in your stupidity.

> Anyway here are the facts about "vampire power" for those who are interested in this (can be 5% of your electric bill
> and 75% of the
> power for electronic things is used while the devices are turned off!)....

Not with a single doorbell, stupid.

And just replacing the transformer with a modern switch mode wall wart
will save almost all the power it currently uses, tho it still isnt cost efficient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standby_power

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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Sat, Nov 22 2008 2:14 pm
From: SoCalMike

SoCalMike wrote:
> Stephen wrote:
>>
>> Long time Onesuite user here. I completly agree that Onesuite is
>> cheaper than Skype if not better. Also Onesuite's transparent billing
>> is very useful for those forgetful minds.
>
> ive had skype for a couple years now, and i like it. i shelled out the
> $30/yr for my own real phone number, and bought a philips cordless phone
> that plugs into my router, so i dont need a computer on.

i just renewed, and its $60/yr for the number now. which is still only
$12/mo, and not bad considering the majors want $30/$40 mo. for internet
phone as part of their "bundle"

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