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Date: Sun, Nov 23 2008 1:42 am
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Date: Sun, Nov 23 2008 4:15 am
From: TruthTeller@nospam.net

In <vsahi4p4r78oh9fvfrn2u3o4pihqta1b73@4ax.com>, on 11/23/2008
at 01:06 AM, LeRoy Blue <leroyblue@billon.net> said:

>On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:50:41 -0500, "Evelyn" <evelyn.ruut@gmail.com>
>wrote:

>>Sorry if I sound somewhat pessimistic, but this abortion issue was decided
>>fairly many years ago with roe v. wade and the religious wackos have been
>>trying to overturn it ever since.

>Do you and those like you qualify as "Abortion Wackos" since you have
>been supporting Roe vs Wade for so many years?

You know right wingner, I have a solution for the abortion issue that
shows you right wign creeps for what you really are;

We have a national vote on the issue, but you have to use your name on the
vote. If it passes, all those who wanted no abortion will have that as
the law of the land -- however, they will also receive a special tax bill
every month to help pay the way of all those children they wanted born,
who have no other source of support.

...I've never found a right winger who was willing to do God's work with
their own money, as they claim they are doing with their abortion position
-- but what do you say goober? You ready to put your money on the line
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Date: Sun, Nov 23 2008 4:44 am
From: chilisincarne@gmail.com

I usually have about 73F indoors, but now with the expensive heating
costs ive been thinking of maybe going a bit lower.
So last week i tried sinking it all the way down to 60F and see how it
felt, and it was unbelievably damn COLD! I had to wear socks and t-
shirt while sleeping LOL!
Maybe something around 66F would be better?

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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 23 2008 5:27 am
From: clams_casino

chilisincarne@gmail.com wrote:

>I usually have about 73F indoors, but now with the expensive heating
>costs ive been thinking of maybe going a bit lower.
>So last week i tried sinking it all the way down to 60F and see how it
>felt, and it was unbelievably damn COLD! I had to wear socks and t-
>shirt while sleeping LOL!
>Maybe something around 66F would be better?
>
>Have you experimented with lower indoor temp? What is a alrite lowest
>temp?
>
>

You should probably drop in stages. During the summer, we are quite
comfortable at 75F, but find around 67F to be quite comfortable in the
winter. A lot will depend on how much / type of clothing you typically
wear. Do consider programmable thermostats, especially if you have
multi-zone heating / cooling.

We set the temp downstairs back to 63 over night & ramp it up to 67
after 5am. Upstairs, we set it back to 63 during the day & keep the
doors closed so the downstairs isn't simply heating the upstairs during
the day where we ramp it to 67 after 7 pm. It ramps down to 66 after 9
am. When not around during the day, we typically set the temp back
down to 63 & reset when we return. The gradual increase tends to
be just as comfortable vs. walking into a 67F home. We also ramp up
the downstairs temp up 2F at 4pm (from 66 to 68) to offset the typical
sun set chill, setting it back down to 63 overnight at around 9 pm.
For some reason, 66F can be quite comfortable during the day, but it
becomes chilly as the sun sets.

It may sound involved, but it's a cycle that we've developed over the
years that's left to the programmable thermostats, except for the manual
adjustments downstairs when we leave for extended periods during the
day. Having the downstairs thermostat near the exit to the garage makes
it an easy task.

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Date: Sun, Nov 23 2008 4:47 am
From: KLS

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:36:31 -0600, Jim Redelfs
<jim.redelfs@NOSPAMredelfs.com> wrote:

>In article <330gi4ht18500dqtaf2ehq5vah4qf4stfd@4ax.com>,
> KLS <xymergy@suds.com> wrote:
>
>>> Post a sign: "Knock REALLY LOUDLY!"
>
>> You must not know any deaf people personally.
>
>Au contraire, my condescending "friend". He would find my approach to
>this inane thread quite amusing.

And he'd laugh at your earlier comment about how sad you think it is
that deaf people probably voted?
>
>> Your ignorance is showing.
>
>You are mistaking cynicism for ignorance.

No, I'm seeing contempt, not cynicism.

== 2 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 23 2008 5:00 am
From: meow2222@care2.com

Jim Redelfs wrote:
> In article <6orn35F54doaU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bill" <billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > This thread has seemed to hit a nerve!
>
> More than one, to be sure.
>
> > Why are so many people getting upset that I am working to eliminate
> > "vampire loads" in my house and reduce my electric bill?
>
> Since you finally revealed the motivation for your actions, I can
> address it specifically: Your efforts, particularly with the doorbell
> transformer switch, are misapplied.
>
> If, instead of using the clothes dryer, you were to hang a couple or
> three loads of laundry on a line to dry, you would save more money on
> your electric bill than you would during a lifetime without so-called
> "phantom" loads against your bill.
>
> > Anyway here are the facts about "vampire power" for those
> > who are interested in this
>
> I couldn't care less about the vampire power consumption in my home.
> The cost of such usage is the price I pay - WILLINGLY - for the
> convenience of not worrying about such trivial and ridiculous things.
>
> I cheerfully decline to unplug my cell phone charger between uses. That
> the transformer powering my rarely used doorbell consumes power does not
> concern me in the least.
>
> My home is well insulated. My motor vehicles are sufficiently fuel
> efficient for what they do for me. I turn off lights in unoccupied
> rooms and turn down the thermostat (during heating season) during the
> night and when the house is unoccupied. Likewise, I turn it up (during
> the cooling season) under the same conditions.
>
> I do not litter. I sparingly use the most benign, approved chemicals
> that will do what I need.
>
> With all of that done, I am content to ignore so-called "phantom" or
> "vampire" energy consumption. It is, comparatively, such a miniscule
> part of my total energy consumption, that I don't even think of it.
> This silly thread has caused me to think of it and, in doing so, I am
> even more convinced now that I am doing the right thing.
>
> I appreciate your conservation efforts although I believe your time
> would be more productive spent volunteering at a hospital or social
> support organization.
>
> If, after you have implemented all the "first tier" conservation
> practices and improvements, you wish to further pursue the incredibly
> minor conservation items, be my guest.
>
> I thank God that I live in a country and society where you are free to
> pursue such things. I further thank God that I am free to NOT do
> likewise. I will always remain vigilant that such freedom continues
> despite the ongoing efforts of those that would deny those freedoms.
>
> Translation: I will vigorously oppose the day when a Doorbell
> Transformer Switch is mandated by my government at any level.
>
> Second translation: Stick a CF bulb in it and SCREW IT!

The other point worth making is that the power and cost figures for
standby power are routinely exaggerated. Those with political interest
in having everyone else unplug everything are either not competent in
the subject, or are happy to be lses than honest to try to motivate
others to unplug.

And of course, biggest of all... youve only got one life, try to spend
the time doing something useful. Speaking of which.... later.

== 3 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 23 2008 6:40 am
From: PeterD

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:40:02 -0800, "Bill"
<billnomailnospamx@yahoo.com> wrote:

>This thread has seemed to hit a nerve!
>
>Why are so many people getting upset that I am working to eliminate "vampire
>loads" in my house and reduce my electric bill?
>
>Anyway here are the facts about "vampire power" for those who are interested
>in this (can be 5% of your electric bill and 75% of the power for electronic
>things is used while the devices are turned off!)....
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standby_power
>

Pleae do not confuse Wikipedia for facts. As to that 75% number, it is
highly suspect.

Again, a simple cost/benefit analysis would show the best path to
follow. However, simple math is beyond many people who blindly follow
whatever the current fad is (be it global warming, electric cars, or
whatever) in an attempt to appear 'on top of things', and 'all wise'.

In the end, sure you can save a few penny's of electricity, and spend
dollars doing so. And perhaps you feel good doing it that way. Fine,
it's your house, as long as no one else gets hurt, go for it. But, if
you are really interested in saving money (or energy) then I'd
recommend thinking about what you are doing, looking at real numbers,
analyzing the various factors (including items such as startup
current) and seeing what is the real best solution.

== 4 of 4 ==
Date: Sun, Nov 23 2008 7:13 am
From: Art

Bill wrote:
> This thread has seemed to hit a nerve!
>
> Why are so many people getting upset that I am working to eliminate "vampire
> loads" in my house and reduce my electric bill?

Just because someone replies does not mean they are getting "upset".
They are just taking part in a discussion. This is what USENET is.

--
Art

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