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* Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets - 9 messages, 6
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* supreme court to determine obama presidential eligibilty - 1 messages, 1
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* Real Estate Inter/Nationalization, effective as of 08.08.08 (www.grishenkoff.
com/Realty.html) - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Ignore Wall Street hype, economy is plunging downward faster and faster. - 1
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* Immigration causes wages to go down.... - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* How Odin Became Santa Claus: Symbolism and Pagan Origins of a Gift-Giving
Saint - 1 messages, 1 author
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* when you crush demand, labor, do not be surprised if demand and profits
plummet, no amount of crank science can reverse the law of gravity:Wholesale
inventories, sales plunge in October - 2 messages, 2 authors
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* THE KINGDOM OF OUR CELTIC GOD WELCOME - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Is keeping a car 50 years frugal? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* Free Hockey Tickets For Florida Residents - Panthers Vs. Sabres Pictures - 2
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* How much have the "401(k) plan" and IRA scheme contribute to the bull market
gain of 1982-2000? - 1 messages, 1 author
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* zero interest bonds - 1 messages, 1 author
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* 533,000 Jobs Lost While Feds Import 140,000 Foreign Workers! - 1 messages, 1
author
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TOPIC: Folks, this is a real depression, protect your assets
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== 1 of 9 ==
Date: Tues, Dec 9 2008 9:07 pm
From: "Dave"
>>
>> Ummmm...how to say this gently? It is also a pyramid scheme. We can't
>> artificially create jobs (like government improving infrastructure),
>> because we need EMPLOYED people to pay taxes to do so!!! This is so
>> obvious, it shouldn't even need to be pointed out to someone who can
>> THINK.
>
> People who are building infrastructure are employed.
OK, let's break this down so that the SLOW among us can understand it:
- Person A is employed by the government to improve infrastructure.
- Person B is employed, but not employed by the government.
- Person B pays taxes to the government so that person A can be employed by
the government.
- With the government focusing on infrastructure and ignoring anything that
might actually be helpful to the economy, unemployment figures continue to
rise.
- Eventually, unemployment catches up to Person B.
- Now who is paying taxes to the government so that the government can
employ person A?
- Oh SHIT!!!
Greatly simplified of course, but soon there will not be enough "B's" to
support the "A's". It is (I believe I wrote this before) a PYRAMID SCHEME.
>
> But we'd have a shiny new rail system for the money.
And nobody would want to use it. Kinda like polishing a turd. It's still a
turd.
> Cars and highways are subsidized much more than light rail.
Subsidized by WHO, exactly? Oh yeah... the car and highway users!!!! Hard
to object to your money being spent on what you want it to be spent on.
Hardly anybody wants to use light rail, so we shouldn't be subsidizing that
AT ALL.
>> Ask Obama. IT'S HIS PLAN.
>
> No, it's your idiotlogical blinders.
Are you calling Obama a liar? I'm taking Obama at his word that his plan to
turn the economy around is to increase taxes sky high and use the money to
hire people to improve infrastructure. -Dave
== 2 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 6:34 am
From: tmclone@searchmachine.com
"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
news:ghniqh$1id$1@nntp.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> Ummmm...how to say this gently? It is also a pyramid scheme. We can't
>>> artificially create jobs (like government improving infrastructure),
>>> because we need EMPLOYED people to pay taxes to do so!!! This is so
>>> obvious, it shouldn't even need to be pointed out to someone who can
>>> THINK.
>>
>> People who are building infrastructure are employed.
>
> OK, let's break this down so that the SLOW among us can understand it:
> - Person A is employed by the government to improve infrastructure.
> - Person B is employed, but not employed by the government.
> - Person B pays taxes to the government so that person A can be employed
> by the government.
> Greatly simplified of course, but soon there will not be enough "B's" to
> support the "A's". It is (I believe I wrote this before) a PYRAMID
> SCHEME.
>
>
No, let's break this down for those who don't get it. Person A,
employed by
the government is ALSO paying taxes, like everyone else earning a
paycheck.
How slow are you?
== 3 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 6:48 am
From: clams_casino
tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
>"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
>news:ghniqh$1id$1@nntp.motzarella.org...
>
>
>>>>Ummmm...how to say this gently? It is also a pyramid scheme. We can't
>>>>artificially create jobs (like government improving infrastructure),
>>>>because we need EMPLOYED people to pay taxes to do so!!! This is so
>>>>obvious, it shouldn't even need to be pointed out to someone who can
>>>>THINK.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>People who are building infrastructure are employed.
>>>
>>>
>>OK, let's break this down so that the SLOW among us can understand it:
>>- Person A is employed by the government to improve infrastructure.
>>- Person B is employed, but not employed by the government.
>>- Person B pays taxes to the government so that person A can be employed
>>by the government.
>>Greatly simplified of course, but soon there will not be enough "B's" to
>>support the "A's". It is (I believe I wrote this before) a PYRAMID
>>SCHEME.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>No, let's break this down for those who don't get it. Person A,
>employed by
>the government is ALSO paying taxes, like everyone else earning a
>paycheck.
>How slow are you?
>
>
V E R Y.
== 4 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 6:58 am
From: "Dave"
>>
> No, let's break this down for those who don't get it. Person A,
> employed by
> the government is ALSO paying taxes, like everyone else earning a
> paycheck.
> How slow are you?
Not as slow as you, if you can't figure out that it takes MANY employed
people to pay taxes to support one Government employee. -Dave
== 5 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 8:00 am
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com
In misc.survivalism tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
> No, let's break this down for those who don't get it. Person A,
> employed by
> the government is ALSO paying taxes, like everyone else earning a
> paycheck.
> How slow are you?
He clings stubbornly to defective doctrines. He also ignores that the
employed consruction worker will increase aggregate demand (which is the
whole point) in a manner that will help keep his neighbors employed.
Unemployed construction workers consume less, which ripples through the
economy. Employed folks consume more, which ripples through the economy.
When all is said and done, the construction worker will go on to build
factories and trucks, which will use the new roads to more profitably
deliver the goods and services.
His claim, at heart, is that he knows more about this stuff than
John Maynard Keynes. Dave's solution was to lower aggregate demand by
cutting goverment spending, rather than spurring it by government
expenditure. He thought that emulating Herbert Hoover's strategy was the
best way to avoid further declines in GDP.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
== 6 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 8:20 am
From: Jeffrey Turner
tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
> "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
> news:ghniqh$1id$1@nntp.motzarella.org...
>>>> Ummmm...how to say this gently? It is also a pyramid scheme. We can't
>>>> artificially create jobs (like government improving infrastructure),
>>>> because we need EMPLOYED people to pay taxes to do so!!! This is so
>>>> obvious, it shouldn't even need to be pointed out to someone who can
>>>> THINK.
>>> People who are building infrastructure are employed.
>> OK, let's break this down so that the SLOW among us can understand it:
>> - Person A is employed by the government to improve infrastructure.
>> - Person B is employed, but not employed by the government.
>> - Person B pays taxes to the government so that person A can be employed
>> by the government.
>> Greatly simplified of course, but soon there will not be enough "B's" to
>> support the "A's". It is (I believe I wrote this before) a PYRAMID
>> SCHEME.
>>
>>
> No, let's break this down for those who don't get it. Person A,
> employed by
> the government is ALSO paying taxes, like everyone else earning a
> paycheck.
Plus, Person A is buying other stuff - which means that Person B's job,
either making or selling that other stuff, is safe.
> How slow are you?
He's a wingnut, 'nuff said.
--Jeff
--
I learned that ... the most grinding
poverty is a trifling evil compared
with the inequality of classes.
--William Morris
== 7 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 9:21 am
From: "Dick 'Tater"
tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
> "Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote in message
> news:ghniqh$1id$1@nntp.motzarella.org...
>>>>
>>>> Ummmm...how to say this gently? It is also a pyramid scheme. We
>>>> can't artificially create jobs (like government improving
>>>> infrastructure), because we need EMPLOYED people to pay taxes to
>>>> do so!!! This is so obvious, it shouldn't even need to be pointed
>>>> out to someone who can THINK.
>>>
>>> People who are building infrastructure are employed.
>>
>> OK, let's break this down so that the SLOW among us can understand
>> it:
>> - Person A is employed by the government to improve infrastructure.
>> - Person B is employed, but not employed by the government.
>> - Person B pays taxes to the government so that person A can be
>> employed by the government.
>> Greatly simplified of course, but soon there will not be enough
>> "B's" to support the "A's". It is (I believe I wrote this before) a
>> PYRAMID SCHEME.
>>
>>
> No, let's break this down for those who don't get it. Person A,
> employed by
> the government is ALSO paying taxes, like everyone else earning a
> paycheck.
> How slow are you?
Apparently retarded.
There is NO plan that includes having government workers build roads.
Most of the money being proposed for highway infrastructure improvements
will go to private contractors.
--
Dick
== 8 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 10:42 am
From: "Dave"
<EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com> wrote in message
news:ghop37$rub$1@reader1.panix.com...
> In misc.survivalism tmclone@searchmachine.com wrote:
>
>> No, let's break this down for those who don't get it. Person A,
>> employed by
>> the government is ALSO paying taxes, like everyone else earning a
>> paycheck.
>> How slow are you?
>
> He clings stubbornly to defective doctrines. He also ignores that the
> employed consruction worker will increase aggregate demand (which is the
> whole point) in a manner that will help keep his neighbors employed.
>
> Unemployed construction workers consume less, which ripples through the
> economy. Employed folks consume more, which ripples through the economy.
> When all is said and done, the construction worker will go on to build
> factories and trucks, which will use the new roads to more profitably
> deliver the goods and services.
>
Obama is talking about employing millions of people building roads and
bridges. I don't think it will help. But assuming for a moment that it
would help... (just for the sake of argument)
Are there currently millions of U.S. Citizens, unemployed, with job skills
of building roads and bridges and that's all they know how to do? If NOT,
then this plan is shot all to Hell before it even gets started, whether it
would help or not.
And I say it will not help. -Dave
== 9 of 9 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 12:19 pm
From: EskWIRED@spamblock.panix.com
In misc.survivalism Dave <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
> Obama is talking about employing millions of people building roads and
> bridges. I don't think it will help. But assuming for a moment that it
> would help... (just for the sake of argument)
He's not restricting it to roads and bridges.
> Are there currently millions of U.S. Citizens, unemployed, with job skills
> of building roads and bridges and that's all they know how to do? If NOT,
> then this plan is shot all to Hell before it even gets started, whether it
> would help or not.
Only if his plan is as badly thought out as your caricature of it.
--
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so
certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
-- Bertrand Russel
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 3:47 am
From: "Daniel T."
"Dave" <noway@nohow.not> wrote:
> >> I'm not applying to be President of the U.S. Let someone who wants that
> >> job
> >> do the proving that he's eligible. -Dave
> >
> > It seems to me that the one making the accusation is the one who needs
> > to do the proving.
>
> When was the last time you wanted a job where you did not have to prove
> yourself eligible and capable of doing the job? -Dave
He's already done that... Next?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 3:55 am
From: Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God Serge Grishenkoff
Real Estate Inter/Nationalization, effective as of 08.08.08
(www.grishenkoff.com/Realty.html)
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TOPIC: Ignore Wall Street hype, economy is plunging downward faster and faster.
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 5:10 am
From: wismel@yahoo.com
DOW up 300, DOW down 300,fun and games for traders. But
watch the job cuts.
If you are stuck in a 401 plan so be it. Otherwise,
cash is king.
ted
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TOPIC: Immigration causes wages to go down....
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 6:22 am
From: James
On Dec 9, 7:05 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> On Dec 9, 12:58 pm, Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Immigration causes paychecks to get smaller
> > Tuesday, April 18, 2006, Wall Street Journal,
> > Editorial page (p. A18).
> > title: "For a Few Dollars Less" by George
> > J. Borjas (the Robert W.Scrivner
> > Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Kennedy School Government at
> > Harvard).
>
> > Quotes and comments:
>
> > First paragraph:
> > "What happens when immigrants enter the labor market? The 1954 edition of
> > Paul Samuelson's influential introductory economics textbook gives the
> > common-sense answer:'By keeping labor supply down, immigration policy tends
> > to keep wages high'." "Despite the intuition behind Mr. Samuelson's
> > conclusion, economists have found it surprisingly difficult to document
> > that immigration does, in fact, lower the wage of competing workers." And,
> > he goes on to talk about this for several paragraphs. Then, presents his own
> > work (with Lawrence Katz, and cited as a 2005 NBER working paper), that he
> > has no difficulty at all finding that the immigrant flux
> > really does diminish wages.
>
> > The last paragraph in his piece is:
>
> > "National wage trends confirm the common-sense notion that immigration has
> > labor market consequences: A larger pool of competing workers lowers
> > relative wages. This does _not_ imply that immigration is a net loss for the
> > economy. After all, the wage losses suffered by workers show up as higher
> > profits to employers and, eventually, as lower prices to consumers.
> > Immigration is just another redistribution program. In the short run, it
> > transfers wealth from one group (workers) to another (employers). Whether or
> > not such transfers are desirable is one of the central questions in the
> > immigration debate."
>
> And this article is about legal workers! What about the 20 million
> illegals who are
> depressing wages, bankrupting social services, corroding town after
> town?
>
> mitch
>
> http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
It's unions that make wages go down. Look at the auto industry The
unions have the big 3 by the balls so people buy better imports. No
body can afford union made stuff, sales drop, every body gets laid
off, unemployed losing their homes will work for cheap wages.
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 7:08 am
From: lorad
On Dec 10, 6:22 am, James <j0069b...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 9, 7:05 pm, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 9, 12:58 pm, Stray Dog <sdog2...@sdf.lonestar.org> wrote:
>
> > > Immigration causes paychecks to get smaller
> > > Tuesday, April 18, 2006, Wall Street Journal,
> > > Editorial page (p. A18).
> > > title: "For a Few Dollars Less" by George
> > > J. Borjas (the Robert W.Scrivner
> > > Professor of Economics and Social Policy at the Kennedy School Government at
> > > Harvard).
>
> > > Quotes and comments:
>
> > > First paragraph:
> > > "What happens when immigrants enter the labor market? The 1954 edition of
> > > Paul Samuelson's influential introductory economics textbook gives the
> > > common-sense answer:'By keeping labor supply down, immigration policy tends
> > > to keep wages high'." "Despite the intuition behind Mr. Samuelson's
> > > conclusion, economists have found it surprisingly difficult to document
> > > that immigration does, in fact, lower the wage of competing workers." And,
> > > he goes on to talk about this for several paragraphs. Then, presents his own
> > > work (with Lawrence Katz, and cited as a 2005 NBER working paper), that he
> > > has no difficulty at all finding that the immigrant flux
> > > really does diminish wages.
>
> > > The last paragraph in his piece is:
>
> > > "National wage trends confirm the common-sense notion that immigration has
> > > labor market consequences: A larger pool of competing workers lowers
> > > relative wages. This does _not_ imply that immigration is a net loss for the
> > > economy. After all, the wage losses suffered by workers show up as higher
> > > profits to employers and, eventually, as lower prices to consumers.
> > > Immigration is just another redistribution program. In the short run, it
> > > transfers wealth from one group (workers) to another (employers). Whether or
> > > not such transfers are desirable is one of the central questions in the
> > > immigration debate."
>
> > And this article is about legal workers! What about the 20 million
> > illegals who are
> > depressing wages, bankrupting social services, corroding town after
> > town?
>
> > mitch
>
> >http://www.numbersusa.com/ Numbers USA- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> It's unions that make wages go down. Look at the auto industry The
> unions have the big 3 by the balls so people buy better imports. No
> body can afford union made stuff, sales drop, every body gets laid
> off, unemployed losing their homes will work for cheap wages.-
Geez... You are clueless.
How often did your momma drop you on your head?
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Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 7:04 am
From: "Heidi Graw"
><wismel@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:24erj41mg9okhqn37ir4erb9pfcegcfs6g@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 8 Dec 2008 02:10:24 -0800 (PST), LOVE Europe HATE the EU
> <zzzxtyryyetytryey@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>How Odin Became Santa Claus: Symbolism and Pagan Origins of a Gift-
>>Giving Saint
>>by Anja Heij
I think Odin as Santa Claus is a bit of a stretch.
However, Odin as Yule-Father handing out gifts
to those worthy of them is very much an ancient
heathen tradition.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=H-vvAGxCwf8
Happy Holy Nights!
Heidi
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plummet, no amount of crank science can reverse the law of gravity:Wholesale
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 9:21 am
From: hpope@lycos.com
On Dec 10, 10:10 am, Vide...@tcq.net wrote:
> http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Wholesale-inventories-sales-apf-1379481...
>
> Wholesale inventories, sales plunge in October
> Wholesale inventories plunge in October by largest amount in 7 years;
> sales post record drop
> • Martin Crutsinger, AP Economics Writer
> • Wednesday December 10, 2008, 11:56 am EST
> • Yahoo! Buzz Print
> Related:
> • Abercrombie & Fitch Co., American Apparel, Inc., Aeropostale Inc.
> WASHINGTON (AP) -- Wholesalers cut back on their inventories in
> October by the largest amount since the period following the 2001
> terrorist attacks while they watched their sales plunge by a record
> amount.
>
> Analysts predict more grim news in the months ahead as the current
> recession deepens.
> The Commerce Department reported Wednesday that wholesalers, the
> companies in the supply chain between manufacturers and retailers,
> reduced their inventories by 1.1 percent in October, the biggest
> cutback since a similar drop in inventories in November 2001.
> The inventory decline was much bigger than the 0.2 percent decrease
> economists expected.
> Sales at the wholesale level plunged by 4.1 percent in October, the
> largest decline on record.
> The inventories-to-sales ratio increased to 1.16 in October, up from
> 1.12 in September. That means that it would take wholesalers 1.16
> months to sell off their stockpiles at the current sales pace.
> It was the highest inventory-to-sales ratio since a similar level in
> February 2007 and was another warning signal of potential production
> cutbacks in coming months as businesses try to get their inventories
> back in line with slowing sales.
> The declines in inventories and sales provided further evidence that
> the economy is in a steep recession. Many analysts believe the current
> recession, which has already lasted 12 months, will drag on until the
> middle of next year. If it lasts past April, it will become the
> longest recession in the post World War II period, surpassing
> recessions in the mid-1970s and early 1980s that both lasted 16
> months.
> The financial crisis has taken its toll on Main Street with retail
> sales falling sharply, sending shock waves through the rest of the
> supply chain.
> The 1.1 percent drop in wholesale inventories reflected a 0.2 percent
> fall in stockpiles of durable goods such as autos and appliances,
> which are expected to last at least three years. Inventories of
> nondurable goods, products such as food, clothing and petroleum
> products, dropped by an even sharper 2.6 percent in October, a record
> amount.
> The 4.1 percent drop in sales at the wholesale level reflected a 4.2
> percent decline in sales of durable goods, and a 4.1 percent drop in
> sales of nondurable goods.
> Wholesale inventories are goods held by distributors who generally buy
> from manufacturers and sell to retailers. They make up about 25
> percent of all business stockpiles.
> Factories hold another third of inventories and the rest of the
> inventory stockpile is held by retailers. The inventory level for
> retailers will be reported on Friday.
> The cutbacks at the wholesale level reflect the deteriorating
> conditions at retail stores, where consumer spending has been falling
> as households struggle with rising unemployment and tight credit
> conditions.
> AutoZone Inc. said Tuesday its fiscal first-quarter profit fell
> slightly as cash-strapped consumers put off some vehicle maintenance,
> but the Memphis-based auto parts retailer posted a profit that beat
> Wall Street expectations.
> Traffic at malls remained sluggish last week, even as retailers
> stepped up bargains, Lazard Capital Markets analyst Todd Slater wrote
> in a research note Monday.
> Retailers are increasing their promotions as consumers cut back
> spending during what is expected to be one of the worst holiday
> seasons in many years. Deckers Outdoor Corp.'s UGGs brand of sheepskin
> shoes and boots, and American Apparel Inc., which sells cotton T-
> shirts and apparel, appeared to be exceptions and were generating
> "solid" business at full price, Slater said.
> "The best traffic and conversion was seen at Aeropostale, Banana
> Republic, Bath & Body Works, Coach, J. Crew, Old Navy, Victoria's
> Secret, and Limited Too (soon to be Justice), as each was more
> aggressively promotional than during Black Friday," he added.
> Beaten-down shoppers last month handed retail stores their worst
> results in at least 39 years.
> Costco Wholesale Corp., usually a strong performer, reported a bigger-
> than expected sales drop. Abercrombie & Fitch Co., Kohl's Corp. and
> Macy's Inc. all reported sales declines of more than 10 percent. One
> notable exception was Wal-Mart Stores Inc., which posted sales gains.
> Overall, sales dropped 2.7 percent last month, according to the
> Goldman Sachs-International Council of Shopping Centers index based on
> 37 stores. It was the worst showing since at least 1969, when the
> index began.
Rid America of 20 million illegal alien culture distorting leeches and
watch
the economy rebound!
mitch
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== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 9:23 am
From: LiberalPatriot@xemaps.com
On Dec 10, 9:21 am, hp...@lycos.com wrote:
> Rid America of 20 million illegal alien culture distorting leeches and
> watch
> the economy rebound!
If you really want to see America prosper, rid America of about 50 or
100 million people who still believe in Reaganomics.
THEY were the ones who wanted labor to "race to the bottom."
Giving good-paying American union jobs to foreigners and illegal
aliens was only one part of the plan.
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TOPIC: THE KINGDOM OF OUR CELTIC GOD WELCOME
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 9:55 am
From: sir.jpturcaud@neuf.fr
On Nov 23, 3:32 pm, Prime Minister of the Kingdom of God
<judeophre...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> The Constitution of the Kingdom of God, Earth (www.grishenkoff.com)
TO BRING THE AUSTRALIAN FINANCIAL, MINING & POLITICAL VULTURES IN
STEP
LET'S PRAY NOW !
Great God, The Unique, The Unnamed, The Blessed One and Creator of
all !
Teach us to love our friends as best as we can with honour,
and hate our enemies and pursue them with our revenge until they pay
or ask
for mercy !
Please curse them just as we do, and support our just anger !
Give us strength to uphold at all time the Blessed Sword of Justice,
and never falter in the Respect of our Duty & Obedience to the Sacred
Cosmic Laws !!!!
LET IT BE
HAIL TO MEN OF HONOUR !!!!
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TOPIC: Is keeping a car 50 years frugal?
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 10:02 am
From: Dennis
On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:51:15 -0500, "Daniel T."
<daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> "Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > Dennis <dgw80@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > "Daniel T." <daniel_t@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I'm not so sure about that. Also remember, it is in Consumer
>> > > > Reports best interest to inflate the differences in quality
>> > > > between manufactures. If the came out with a report that said
>> > > > that all car makes were near the same in quality, no one would
>> > > > need their magizine anymore.
>> > >
>> > > Aren't you the same guy who was railing about conspiracy
>> > > theories in another thread? Sheesh, PKB.
>> >
>> > What's your point?
>>
>> Just trying to figure out which wild-eyed conspiracy theories are on
>> your Approved List and which are not.
>
>What "wild-eyed conspiracy theory" are you talking about? I've sided
>with none that I know of.
Perhaps your wild eyes can't see the quoted material above.
Dennis (evil)
--
"There is a fine line between participation and mockery" - Wally
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TOPIC: Free Hockey Tickets For Florida Residents - Panthers Vs. Sabres
Pictures
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== 1 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 10:12 am
From: Paul Michaels
I've never been much of a hockey fan but I have always wanted to go
see a game in person. When I heard about the Florida Panthers First
Timer program, I immediately went and signed up for the two free
tickets at their website.
The Bank Atlantic Center allows cameras so I was able to bring my
Canon S5 IS and take some pictures.
Here's the gallery -
http://www.paulstravelpictures.com/Florida-Panthers-Vs-Buffalo-Sabres-Bank-Atlantic-Center
It was a great inexpensive night out. We only spent a few bucks on gas
and some beer. I highly recommend that any other Florida residents
take advantage of this offer.
Cheers,
Paul Michaels
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
== 2 of 2 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 10:26 am
From: clams_casino
Paul Michaels wrote:
>I've never been much of a hockey fan but I have always wanted to go
>see a game in person. When I heard about the Florida Panthers First
>Timer program, I immediately went and signed up for the two free
>tickets at their website.
>
>The Bank Atlantic Center allows cameras so I was able to bring my
>Canon S5 IS and take some pictures.
>
>Here's the gallery -
>http://www.paulstravelpictures.com/Florida-Panthers-Vs-Buffalo-Sabres-Bank-Atlantic-Center
>
>It was a great inexpensive night out. We only spent a few bucks on gas
>and some beer. I highly recommend that any other Florida residents
>take advantage of this offer.
>
>Cheers,
>Paul Michaels
>Ft. Lauderdale, FL
>
>
Went to a few hockey games a number of years ago and never went back due
to the boredom. Rather than playing hockey, all they wanted to do was
body slams and stir up fights.
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TOPIC: How much have the "401(k) plan" and IRA scheme contribute to the bull
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 10:18 am
From: "Rod Speed"
je12je12je@yahoo.com wrote
> What is the rationale behind "10% penalty" if pulling money out of 401 (K) or IRA before 59-1/2 years old?
Its done that way to discourage people from taking their money out of retirement accounts.
> People can only put money into buy stocks, but not pull money out until 59-1/2,
They can however have the money in CDs or treasurys etc.
> with false assumptions that
> (1) Future tax rates will always be lower than what is now
> (2) Past performance of 70 years of stock market is the ballpark numbers of future results
You arent required to have that money in stockes.
> (3) "Investing" returns can always compound - what if the best
> approach is putting money in money market fund inside 401(k)?
> (4) Long-term investment (30-50 years) is always a gain
That isnt a false assumption.
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TOPIC: zero interest bonds
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 11:23 am
From: clams_casino
Seems like a great way for the government to reduce interest on debt -
Maybe they should sell a $T at zero interest.
"the Treasury auctioned $30 billion worth of 28-day bills Tuesday at a
yield of 0%, after receiving $126 billion in open interest. The yield on
the 3-month bill dipped as low as -0.2% Tuesday before closing above 0%."
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TOPIC: 533,000 Jobs Lost While Feds Import 140,000 Foreign Workers!
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 12:30 pm
From: "Percival P. Cassidy"
On 12/07/08 08:37 pm I wrote:
>> Please show me where the hospitals are making all that profit. You
>> want to reform healthcare then the first place you look is at
>> insurance companies. They sit in the position of screwing both the
>> healthcare providers and the patients. They sole purpose is to make a
>> profit and they don't give a damn how they do it. The insurance
>> companies dictate what will be paid to the providers and that extends
>> to what the providers can charge. Tell me one other business that
>> must accept what the customer decides they will pay rather that amount
>> is enough to cover their costs. If the providers don't accept, the
>> insurance companies have no qualms about forcing the patients to go
>> elsewhere even if the quality of the care is unacceptable.
>
> People tell me that things have changed in Australia in the last 20
> years or so, but it used to be that most hospitals were run as a public
> service by religious bodies (denominations or religious orders) or by
> (semi-)government bodies: e.g., the Brisbane Hospitals Board.
>
> And many of the health-insurance organizations were typically some kind
> of cooperative.
And another negative consequence of for-profit health care is the amount
of money spent on advertising. ISTR that hospitals were allowed to
advertise in Australia (although i don't recall whether they did), but
doctors were not: they would get "struck off" not by some government
agency but by the Medical Association. (Same, _mutatis mutandis_, for
lawyers). I think they were permitted "public announcements" of no more
than one column-inch when they set up or relocated a practice.
Perce
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== 1 of 1 ==
Date: Wed, Dec 10 2008 1:12 pm
From: "NotMe"
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:
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: suggested this one.
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or technically challenged clients (I do the set up they do the click and go
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